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Psionikk
Join Date: 2007-07-05 Member: 61489Members
Join Date: 2007-07-05 Member: 61489Members
I've been playing for some time now off and on and everytime I play there's always that one server with this Immaculate player that is ALWAYS on the marines and goes about 45-2. For some odd reason this player is able to empty their clip faster than other players and doesn't miss AT ALL. Some say they're just good and other say scripts(I really don't have the time to do all this scripting crap I hear). These people tend to kill the servers and the fun on that server which is my thinking as to why there are so few servers these days(I could of course be wrong).
I used to be able to find a 30ish ping server no problem. The only servers with players(not bots) these days have about 150 ping. Would you recommend I start using scripts to be on par with these players, I'm a bit rusty being away from the game for so long, but it's not just my skill I'm comparing it to, it's the others on the server complaining about the same thing. I'm not the best player, but I'd like to think I'm at least slightly above average. Please do give me some honest feedback, thank you.
Psionikk
Let me clarify I'm from the US, don't see many non-bot US servers anymore =/
I used to be able to find a 30ish ping server no problem. The only servers with players(not bots) these days have about 150 ping. Would you recommend I start using scripts to be on par with these players, I'm a bit rusty being away from the game for so long, but it's not just my skill I'm comparing it to, it's the others on the server complaining about the same thing. I'm not the best player, but I'd like to think I'm at least slightly above average. Please do give me some honest feedback, thank you.
Psionikk
Let me clarify I'm from the US, don't see many non-bot US servers anymore =/
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Secondly, scripts != hacks.
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*all* repeat *all* scripts which were considered exploitative by the NS dev team (_special, etc) have been blocked. That is to say they DO NOT WORK AT ALL WITH THE CURRENT VERSION OF NS.
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Scripts do NOT directly make you play better. They do not:
Aim for you.
Bhop for you.
Let you see through walls.
Kill skulks with 1 bullet.
They are a CUSTOMIZATION which some people use because of PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
There is NO advantage in using a 3jump over mousewheel for bhopping, not a pistol script over a normal mouse button / mousewheel.
The ONLY reason some people play better with scripts was summed up a while ago by Forlorn, I can't find the exact quote but it is because these people have streamlined their controls more, which is a completely different concept.
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Pistol scripts (arguably the only 'exploitatious' script) are nowhere near as good as people think.
Let's go with your standard 2shot script, fires 1 shot when you click, 1 shot when you release.
If you click too fast, it only fires 1 shot. That means that you're actually firing as if you do NOT use a script. You actually have to regulate the speed that you click your mouse in order to get the best rate of fire.
Also, it does NOT break the RoF cap on the pistol. Yet another reason why it is not exploitatious.
Now, I will list the number of alternatives you have to using a pistol script which can give the EXACT SAME RESULT (faster pistol shooting) :
Clicking your mouse faster (i know loads of people who do this and shoot faster than I do with a 3shot script)
Using an external key macro
Using your mousewheel
Using more than 1 mouse button bound to fire and bashing all of them at once.
To conclude :
All exploitatious scripts have been removed from the game
Any player who plays better with scripts than without, does so because he has CUSTOMIZED and STREAMLINED his controls - and therefore is more comfortable with them.
To reiterate: THERE ARE NO EXPLOITATIOUS SCRIPTS IN THE GAME.,
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There's a <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=6357225046282704896&showtopic=86538" target="_blank">stickied topic</a> in the Scripting Discussion forum that'll help clear some common misconceptions.
If you're located in the US, you should give the Tactical Gamer servers a go.
Natural Selection 3.2 - SRV1 74.52.157.234
Natural Selection 3.2 - SRV2 74.52.157.235
We usually have some pretty good games going there.
Note: They are predominantly NS_ servers, so if you're mainly a CO_ player, you'd be better off looking elsewhere.
if so, the players there are pretty terrible and get dominated by pretty much any competent marine
was it on <BAD> or g4b2s by any chance?
if so, the players there are pretty terrible and get dominated by pretty much any competent marine
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the admin teams would like you to believe these marines are always some combination of scripting and hacking. it could not be further from the truth. some even ban for bunnyhopping which believe it or not is a crucial part of game balance. practicing bhop can be hard, a script would probably help you learn it faster. but scripts are turned off because admins would rather the alien team get slaughtered by any competent marine not even using any scripts than have one guy go around his sacred offense chamber and pistol whip him. a ton of american players just macro their pistols anyway. you'd think you could drop this logic-bomb on them but they really never listen, and the aliens never get any better on pubs and demand bans for skill, and their bad gameplay behaviors are reinforced only to ensure more slaughtering in the future. and that is why these big pubs blow chunks, for your purposes TG or OldF will probably be a much more fun experience for you.
Yea, these players are legit, but stacking is when games are predecided. Simplest solution is just to random all.
Simplest solution is just to random all.
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i love it when the admins always random AFTER the stack already happens
No the 45-2 doesn't kill the server by himself. It's only when he brings his buddies from clan haha and they all join the same team, game after game, do people quit. They all join marines, marines win. All join aliens, etc.
Yea, these players are legit, but stacking is when games are predecided. Simplest solution is just to random all.
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actually its much more common to have for example 3 guys of the same team on marines and 1 on aliens. the one guy on aliens is usually enough to balance the game out somewhat, because the rest of the marines are ridiculously incompetent freekills
No the 45-2 doesn't kill the server by himself. It's only when he brings his buddies from clan haha and they all join the same team, game after game, do people quit. They all join marines, marines win. All join aliens, etc.
Yea, these players are legit, but stacking is when games are predecided. Simplest solution is just to random all.
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the problem gets compounded when you have good marines that -aren't- "with" each other. and amx_random causes an svc_bad crash about 30-40% of the time. it's still probably the best solution though
It goes something like this on any popular server:
The decent players come to know which team to stack. No decent player wants to play with terrible players. Hence, those with a good eye quickly come to recognize without a word being said which team to stack, while terrible players continue being terrible as a unit. As the terrible players keep getting beaten up, they give up and open up room on the server for new players to join. If enough decent players can get on, you get decent games because there is a critical mass where it starts making sense to actually even the teams and have a fun challenging game (i.e. decent players versus decent players, not just one or two getting slaughtered with the terrible players). If no decent players join, the cycle of attrition keeps repeating itself until the decent players already in the server get tired and leave. At that point the level of play decreases and the players that end up on top have to re-organize themselves to stack properly again.
It's only on the unpopular servers where there aren't enough players to keep replenishing the cycle and this causes the server to empty.
This isn't unique to NS, it happens in any FPS game. You either accept mediocrity and get swept by the waves or you improve so you can actually have some influence on what happens in the game. Most accept the former.
Clanners make the game challenging, which I like. But when they stack it's pointless and stupid. If you want to see new players grow, then give them a chance by evening the teams.
You don't like me? Fine. Go away if I seem to hurt you.
Yes, it's their choice to go random or not, if random all is not on. One choice slants the game. The other keeps it closer.
Ok, I'll continue ranting thanks. And I've had quite a few games where I've played with people that don't leave. Maybe they like me.
You know, at first, I thought up of a clanner as someone on a team who's pretty good. But then it's become the word to define an arrogant elitist holes.
So you have bad players. You have the okay. Then you have the really good ones. It doesn't matter. But when you have all the good players on one team, that's when the game is slanted. I just watched 3 games on BAD today because it was just ridiculous.
The same 5 players went on marines round after round:
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On tanith, they went to the alien spawn, camped and camped and camped. Next round repeat. People F4, others leave. Meanwhile, some of them barked out something along the lines of "ALIENS PLAY BETTAR". What a great influence.
The map before was veil and one of them got on alien as a fade. And as the fade, he went to 80-5. And surprisingly, the alien team had two hives and double. That fade became the team essentially.
So again, it's a pub, which means "I could care less if how skilled you are". It's open to anyone to join. It's where people come to have fun. But everyone should at least have the chance at winning.
We can all come to these forums with our anecdotal evidence ( some of which comes from people who repeatedly boast about how they have quit NS ) that supports our position in the community. I like to think I am objective about this, with a strong interest in seeing all aspects of the NS community flourish, so here's my anecdotal evidence. I am of the opinion that 90% of what is complained about as stacking is accidental. The problem is that that 10% of times it is deliberate is enough to give the clan scene this underserved bad name and 90% of people assume that most of the bad games are due to deliberate team imbalance. As is the nature of communities, you see a lot of complaining about the problems and very little praise for those that try to solve them. I see plenty of clanners who make the effort to switch to the weaker team.
Anyway, my advice, is to take everything posted in a topic like this with a very large pinch of salt.
Puzl do you enjoy your margarita's with suger or salt?
I had a match one or 2 weeks ago where I was doing a 2nd, or 3rd attempt to get in the hive to solo me some nice chambers. Badly for me the same player got me all 3 times. (atleast he can scout)
I got acused of spawncamping just that. I never got in thie hive, I never shot any kharaa but him (I am trying to get in without getting noticed k txs) and he shouts that camp is against the rules.
I happily called him a idiot and asked him when I was doing that and no anwser but its sad even the oldbies have resorted to such lame acusations
Why don't you point out where I said all good players are clanners?
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you're saying the guy with the good score is a clanner.
im actually surprised i found a post involving clanners from you where you didn't include some retarded stereotyped clanner quote in upper-case letters.
There should be a function on this forum to ignore other users, im sure a few of us would like to ignore Smood atleast. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
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There is a function to ignore players:
My controls->manage ignored users
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=1463066050805852928&act=UserCP&CODE=ignore" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....amp;CODE=ignore</a>
There is a function to ignore players:
My controls->manage ignored users
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=1463066050805852928&act=UserCP&CODE=ignore" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....amp;CODE=ignore</a>
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back of the net, nice find
goodbye smood, stay in good health y'hear?!
This one time I played ns and had like 5 good games in a row.
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Must have been before xmenu was invented.
but scripts are turned off because admins would rather the alien team get slaughtered by any competent marine not even using any scripts than have one guy go around his sacred offense chamber and pistol whip him.
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You make it seem like you have to script in order to play alien or marine. Nope. Hate to break it to you. Jigglypuff's NS Jigglyroom (216.152.246.98:27017), has scripts disabled, and its a high level, lots of past CAL/ANSL, server. Really, NS is balanced without scripts, you DONT need scripts to bhop (mwheel), and imho opinion, scripts don't really give any advantage in NS. Macroing I can see being a problem for the pistol, but everything else is fine as is imo.
You make it seem like you have to script in order to play alien or marine. Nope. Hate to break it to you. Jigglypuff's NS Jigglyroom (216.152.246.98:27017), has scripts disabled, and its a high level, lots of past CAL/ANSL, server. Really, NS is balanced without scripts, you DONT need scripts to bhop (mwheel), and imho opinion, scripts don't really give any advantage in NS. Macroing I can see being a problem for the pistol, but everything else is fine as is imo.
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comprehension isn't your strong point is it
This one time I played ns and had like 5 good games in a row.
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Naw, I think its because of the TG server <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />.
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The same 5 players went on marines round after round:
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On tanith, they went to the alien spawn, camped and camped and camped. Next round repeat. People F4, others leave. Meanwhile, some of them barked out something along the lines of "ALIENS PLAY BETTAR". What a great influence.
The map before was veil and one of them got on alien as a fade. And as the fade, he went to 80-5. And surprisingly, the alien team had two hives and double. That fade became the team essentially.
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Sad thing is some oldbies or 'pros' are so obsessed with shouting 'stack' that they are being plain retarted.
I had a match one or 2 weeks ago where I was doing a 2nd, or 3rd attempt to get in the hive to solo me some nice chambers. Badly for me the same player got me all 3 times. (atleast he can scout)
I got acused of spawncamping just that. I never got in thie hive, I never shot any kharaa but him (I am trying to get in without getting noticed k txs) and he shouts that camp is against the rules.
I happily called him a idiot and asked him when I was doing that and no anwser but its sad even the oldbies have resorted to such lame acusations
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I've seen this type scenario happen a few times before and I can say that this happens over time on any multiplayer game. Take the MMORPG called Runescape (I dunno if anyone has played, its besides the point tho). I began playing it shortly after release, around the year 2002 - 2003. After getting passed the hurdle of finding my way around and knowing the basics I began to pay attention to the playerbase (on the free servers), and I did this "test" over many years (right up to today).
When I started my "test" on the playerbase I saw a great playerbase. People of all skill were respectful to each other, people that had higher levels would instruct the new players on how to play, people sometimes had friendly random conversations and people were usually honest about trades.
Over time, these qualities started to fade away. With newer versions there were massive improvements to the game that I liked. But there also seemed to be more players who were unfriendly. It started off with players not responding to messages, then developed into scamming. People began to lead others into traps, began fake trades (like "give me 1000 coins and ill tell you how to find this"), to targeting people with lower levels and doing various things similar to those mentioned above.
Now I look at the game today and I can barely stand to play it. Every 5 - 10 minutes I see two people in the process of trading, soon to be followed by either player saying "hey, nub, i'm not so dumb, get out of here you *censored*" or "scam! you got scammed! you noob!". I also see high leveled people leading new players into lairs of monsters impossible for the new player to take on. I see so many more things that just disgust me (I could go on for awhile) which leads me to sometimes believe that I'm one of the only honest players left (but TBH I fit in a minority of players).
Take what you will from this, I'm just saying what happened to Runescape has very similarly happened to NS. Is it nostalgia? Perhaps, but both of these games end results are pretty identical. Could it be other factors? Perhaps, but the link between both games in this scenario is too strong to be ignored.
<b>Note:</b>
I never knew of the word "noob" or "nub" until two or three years ago (note: Both Runescape and NS came out at the same time and I began and continued playing them both at the same time), around the time that the playerbase of at least Runescape began to decline (I think NS as well, but I missed ending months of 1.04 and all of the 2.0 days so I can't say for certain).