Just bend over and take it

the_x5 · July 2007

<div class="IPBDescription">Have to go Vista Why?</div>Ok, I'm genuinely concerned and frankly a bit shocked when I hear illusioned comments like this:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ANeM @ Jul 2 2007, 08:13 AM) [snapback]1637040[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>Sure, right now Vista isn't great but as is such with operating systems we'll all have to upgrade eventually.</div>

Or go Mac OSX? Or the new <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/" target="_blank">Leopard OS</a>? Or a Linux kernel? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />

Hmm, let's take OSX Tiger... it just always works, it's more efficient with RAM, it doesn't need defrag,... need I go on? (maybe I do) Oh and most of you probably have never heard of a little piece of $69.99 software called Crossfire and knew that it could run apps like the Source engine at 80fps on a MacBook Pro. Hmm, NS2 on a MacBook Pro? Heresy!!! Burn him at the stake!!!The more I learn about an alternative such as Mac OSX, the more I begin to think my next OS will be Leopard.

F*** Vista and all of you fools going, "Well I'm going to have to bend over and take it from Microsoft someday..." What we have here is a bunch of cowardly conformists. (I'm not directing this at you ANeM or even just the people on this forum, I'm talking to <i>all</i> of the people I've been hearing say this) Does this mean MS is an evil company? Of course not! Microsoft when it was young was he model of a visonary fast growing company; it was the first true modern software company and had made computer platforms unified and compatible. But Mircosoft today? Why should they innovate, focus on efficient organized code, or have reasonable prices when there's no competition? Good will? Come on... Capitalism people, you innovate the most if there's profit or risk of loosing that market to competitor. With Windows dominating ~94% of the OS market, why the HELL should Mircosoft care about you? Competition is healthy for business and vital to the consumer.

So I ask? Why is it that people are saying things like that? Now personally love my custom built desktop running Windows XP Pro. I also like the little MacBook notebook running OSX Tiger. If I must need a new 64-bit OS for the desktop, frankly running Leopard makes sense. It's $129, versus-- well wait there isn't really one version of Vista. But then my games and Office programs won't run on it-- oh they do? Ah. I like Linux OS-es like Linux DSL or Suze-- um but they don't support all of my software and drivers, but wait wasn't Leopard going to have support for Nvidia PCI-E graphics cards? Hmm, I think I must be hearing things from Developer's conferences again. Silly me, listening and evaluating. I should leave that kind of multi-tasking for Microsoft's New Delhi tech support office... yeah...

Seriously, I have no plans to upgrade from XP Pro on this system and frankly I can't see a single reason to consider Vista. And I really am amused at tactics like making Halo 2 for PC only DirectX 10 (ie: attempting to force gamers to switch to Vista). Why should I encourage a mediocre product? Give me something awesome for all the extra RAM, not another version of XP we're going to try to force you upgrade to.

I want an anwser, why have to ugrade to Vista specifically? Why not check out something else before buying into it? Why not give MS some competition so that they have to make better products rather than them forcing the consumer (that's <i>you</i>) to upgrade?

~edit~ added youtube:
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Testament · July 2007

Can Leopard play every new game that comes out?

Scythe · July 2007

Saying "lolz u shud buy a mak and emulate all ur gamez" is a totally retarded position.

I happen to like XP. I really really like XP. It does everything I want and runs games really well straight out of the box. No mucking around with emulation or wrangling with WINE, everything just works. Six or ten months down the road they'll have worked most of the kinks out of vista and it might be worth upgrading to take advantage of the new pretties it offers. I remember back when I was on 98se I saw no reason to upgrade to XP, now I couldn't do without it.

Regardless of what people like to say, Microsoft can make a bloody good OS. At least for my purposes. I play games and not much else. I have a server running debian for all my penguin needs, and I run an imaginary mac for all my "not compatible with anything" needs.

--Scythe--

Jimmeh · July 2007

I like Vista. Shock horror. It's more intuitive than Linux and less retarded than Mac OS. It runs every game I want (maybe with a bit of tweaking for older games) and it looks darn'd pretty to boot. I've had 0 problems with it since I've used it.

... Why is everyone afraid of it again?

Testament · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Jul 14 2007, 06:25 PM) [snapback]1638953[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
I like Vista. Shock horror. It's more intuitive than Linux and less retarded than Mac OS. It runs every game I want (maybe with a bit of tweaking for older games) and it looks darn'd pretty to boot. I've had 0 problems with it since I've used it.

... Why is everyone afraid of it again?
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People fear change. Vista doesn't seem too terrible, and I hear they patch it frequently.

the_x5 · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Jul 14 2007, 09:18 PM) [snapback]1638951[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>Can Leopard play every new game that comes out?
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I had a chance to install Steam and test CS:S on a MacBook Pro today. World of Warcraft works too. Granted this is a $1,999 system with Intel's Core 2 Duo and the NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 128MB GDDR3 SDRAM, but it proved the point about the OS. <i>I</i> was stunned.

I've also heard of a crack for OSX Tiger that allows for one to install it on any system. Never tried it, yet but may now. Or since at the last MML we were talking to an Apple drivers code junkie about how Leopard may have official driver support non-Mac systems seems almost too good to be true but then again we won't know until October.

Jimmeh · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Jul 15 2007, 02:27 AM) [snapback]1638954[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
People fear change. Vista doesn't seem too terrible, and I hear they patch it frequently.
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Aye. It's been patched at least every two weeks (if not every week) from what I've seen (saying that, I rarely notice it updating half the time until I get a message saying I should restart my PC).

EDIT - My Vista's been patched a total of 23 times since I had it in February with a total of 80 patches (including things like automated driver updates and software updates, e.g. Outlook).

the_x5 · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scythe @ Jul 14 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1638952[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>Saying "lolz u shud buy a mak and emulate all ur gamez" is a totally retarded position.

I happen to like XP. I really really like XP. It does everything I want and runs games really well straight out of the box. No mucking around with emulation or wrangling with WINE, everything just works. Six or ten months down the road they'll have worked most of the kinks out of vista and it might be worth upgrading to take advantage of the new pretties it offers. I remember back when I was on 98se I saw no reason to upgrade to XP, now I couldn't do without it.

Regardless of what people like to say, Microsoft can make a bloody good OS. At least for my purposes. I play games and not much else. I have a server running debian for all my penguin needs, and I run an imaginary mac for all my "not compatible with anything" needs.

--Scythe--
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I like XP too, but why should I be forced to upgrade to one specific company's product to play games? That's more retarded isn't it?

Microsoft does make a decent OS, but with more competition I know they could do SOOO much better. Microsoft used to take risks and innovate. They don't that to the same level anymore because THEY DON'T HAVE TO SCYTHE! That's the point I'm trying to get across to you while you insult me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Jul 14 2007, 09:27 PM) [snapback]1638954[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>People fear change. Vista doesn't seem too terrible, and I hear they patch it frequently.
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First, that's usually the other way around. People fear an OS other than Windows because it might be diffcult to get it to work or learn how to work it.

Secondly, that's not what I'm writing this topic about. I'm questioning the complete lack of competition to the point where people will give up and be like oh well this is the next thing I guess I'll take it.

Excuse me for being a rebel then, damn guys... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

Jimmeh · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>why should I be forced to upgrade to one specific company's product to play games?</div>

Because the majority of PC's use Windows?

Linux is too complicated for most people (even "friendlier" distros like Ubuntu still require more effort than Windows) and Macs lack support (I actually don't like it at all - it's too simple for my liking).

It's a Catch 22 situation; people won't use other OSs unless they support their software and software won't be made for other OSs unless they have a big enough user base. Thus, the user base won't increase due to lack of software support thus software won't support those OSs. People aren't going to switch to a Mac or to Linux in the hope that everyone else will and the world will become a better place where people will sing and dance and be merry. Because it isn't going to happen.

EDIT - I would just like to say that we all know it; and we probably wish it wasn't the way it is. However, I'm perfectly happy with Windows and even if Linux and Mac OS both supported every game I play and will play I wouldn't switch to either of them.

Thaldarin · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Jul 15 2007, 02:29 AM) [snapback]1638956[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Aye. It's been patched at least every two weeks (if not every week) from what I've seen (saying that, I rarely notice it updating half the time until I get a message saying I should restart my PC).

EDIT - My Vista's been patched a total of 23 times since I had it in February with a total of 80 patches (including things like automated driver updates and software updates, e.g. Outlook).
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23 times in 6months? That's pretty excessive for cutting edge technology don't you think?

If you have to update more than once a month (odd anamoly of twice) so around more than 16 times, there is obviously something wrong or unfinished about Vista. 23 Times in 6months is what... almost once a week? That's pretty unacceptable for paying around about 100-200quid for a new operating system in my eyes.

Testament · July 2007

Look at XP before SP1 came out and its slew of patches. ###### happens, don't buy it until it's stable.

the_x5 · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Jul 14 2007, 09:45 PM) [snapback]1638959[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>It's a Catch 22 situation; people won't use other OSs unless they support their software and software won't be made for other OSs unless they have a big enough user base. Thus, the user base won't increase due to lack of software support thus software won't support those OSs.
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Or software like some hardware could have some univeral industry low level "connections" set by a non-profit 3rd party. (Example: RG-58, RJ-11, RJ-45, USB, 1394, Molex, Berg, IDE, SATA, DDR2, PCI, APG, PCI-E, ATX, 802.3, 802.11g, OSI Model, TCP/IP, HTTP, FTP, SMTP, etc.) When you develop and compile source code you use libraries and build high code functions upon lower code function, why could there not be a standard?

And you must have not been listening to the fact that games that many of us play run fine on Mac OSX. I thought I brought that up with my example in my second post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>People aren't going to switch to a Mac or to Linux in the hope that everyone else will and the world will become a better place where people will sing and dance and be merry. Because it isn't going to happen.</div>

--and you would certainly not be the first person to have made that assumption and been completely wrong about an industry. That attitude you just displayed is disturbingly similar similar to corporate Xerox's mocking attitude in the 1980's. WTF is this? A mouse? Should I give it some cheese? hahaha!

KungFuDiscoMonkey · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scythe @ Jul 14 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1638952[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Regardless of what people like to say, Microsoft can make a bloody good OS.
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I think it is less they can write a good OS and more they can manipulate the market in an attempt to make sure that people's only option is Windows. Fortuantly we have other countries who are tired of bending over for Microsoft and they're switching to alternative systems.

Actually, I think my biggest beef with Microsoft is that they are more effective at agressive advertising than they are at writing software. I'll use IE vs FF as an example (or you could sub in Opera if you're Tycho)
Microsoft did all they could to make sure IE was installed on every computer possible and did everything in their power to destroy netscape, then once they won they didn't do anything. They left IE completely alone. It wasn't until FF (or Opera for Tycho) started gaining market share that they decided to even do anything to IE, and half of what they did was add tabs.

Caboose · July 2007

And this coming from all of you, who are of course biased towards Windows simply because you are gamers first and formost. Apple is increasingly gaining market share with OS X, and software companies <i>are</i> noticing, and they <i>are</i> responding. In an earlier thread, I stated that EA is taking the leap into OS X and providing games for it. OS X is good for most people, which comprises of non gamers/casual gamers, and the software available for it is more than suitable for what most people use computers for, which is web browsing, IM, office stuff, multimedia creation (Adobe software).

I'm not saying that Macs will become more common than PC's, but the gap between the userbase will be much smaller, and even Gamers will be able to use Macs and still be considered gamers <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

And Thaldarin, Linux patches much more than that <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> I'd rather have an OS with frequent patching to ensure stability and security than otherwise.

the_x5 · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Jul 14 2007, 09:58 PM) [snapback]1638963[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>I think it is less they can write a good OS and more they can manipulate the market in an attempt to make sure that people's only option is Windows. Fortuantly we have other countries who are tired of bending over for Microsoft and they're switching to alternative systems.

Actually, I think my biggest beef with Microsoft is that they are more effective at agressive advertising than they are at writing software. I'll use IE vs FF as an example (or you could sub in Opera if you're Tycho)
Microsoft did all they could to make sure IE was installed on every computer possible and did everything in their power to destroy netscape, then once they won they didn't do anything. They left IE completely alone. It wasn't until FF (or Opera for Tycho) started gaining market share that they decided to even do anything to IE, and half of what they did was add tabs.
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KFDM is right... Without competition, why bother spending investment dollars on R&D to grow?

Let's say Walmart took over 94% of the electronics retail market. No Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA, NewEgg, TigerDirect, etc. Just a few rogue online e-retailers and ma&pap stores. How about it: Lowest prices always? YEAH RIGHT!!!

Oh yeah forgot to mention, I tested that CS:S on <a href="http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8398637&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat103700050025&id=1179877238616" target="_blank">this MacBook Pro</a> which Best Buy is now going to be carrying <i>in store</i> (Apple store inside the Best Buy location) at the top 200 Best Buy stores in the US. We've sold 4 of them already in 2 days with no more than a pathetic display of putting it in the middle of some Gateways and Toshibas: to a lawyer (needing office products to work), a local band rap artist needing a super reliable computer and anything but Vista, a mother who travels 40 hrs a week who needed the Mac to run off of battery for 4 hours and run a Novell GPS client designed to work only on Windows 2003 Server, and a gamer who had his system go down and was really apprehensive about Vista but was unsure he could play CS:S on it and his girlfriend could play WoW on it (it not only did it but she loved the iLife and not needing an anti-virus software).

I'm a skeptic about all technology but I'm very impressed thus far with some of these new Apple computers and their operating system.

KungFuDiscoMonkey · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Caboose @ Jul 14 2007, 10:03 PM) [snapback]1638964[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
OS X is good for most people, which comprises of non gamers/casual gamers, and the software available for it is more than suitable for what most people use computers for, which is web browsing, IM, office stuff, multimedia creation (Adobe software).
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Yeah, it is a shame that Windows is just thrown on everything. I think a Mac or Linux machine could work even better for most people who just need word processing, internet, email, etc. It would certainly cut down on family/friends tech support.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Caboose @ Jul 14 2007, 10:03 PM) [snapback]1638964[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
And Thaldarin, Linux patches much more than that <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> I'd rather have an OS with frequent patching to ensure stability and security than otherwise.
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Though with Linux you may want have to explain what you're calling Linux. Just the kernel? the kernel and desktop environment? The kernel, desktop environment, and programs? Though I do love being able to use apt and synaptic to update everything on my system at once. Nicer than using Windows Update and then a different update program for every other program on my computer.

Xyth · July 2007

I don't get it, you are angry that Microsoft released a new product with more features then it's current one? You can't create a product that will be able to do everything forever, sometimes you just need a fresh start. I don't plan to get vista for awhile, mostly because none of my computers are fast enough for anything that will require DX10, which is the only reason I see for getting it.

the_x5 · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't plan to get vista for awhile, mostly because none of my computers are fast enough for anything that will require DX10, which is the only reason I see for getting it.</div>
DirectX 10 isn't even that different from 9.c, it's not a massive difference to capabilities, efficiency, or wow factor. True that the Crye engine hasn't come out yet, but even then that has more to do with the game engine itself and not it's renderer. Not to mention, DirectX dates back to Windows 95. --wait a minute, huh? YES, WINDOWS FRIKIN 95 PEOPLE! (nerd info: DirectX was the brain child of Craig Eisler, Alex St. John, and Eric Engstrom) Maybe I'm wrong about DX10, but honestly, it's being used as a tool to get gamers to think they HAVE TO switch to Vista right now. Sadly, ignorant people will listen because they don't know anything different.

TOmekki · July 2007

some people just dont feel like putting hundreds of euros on an operating system (or thousands of euros on a new/upgraded pc)

Xyth · July 2007

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So you are angry because people are allowing themselves to be forced to switch to a supposedly inferior OS? Isn't it a bit early to be this hard on Vista? It's not perfect, and won't be for awhile. If you don't like how microsoft does their OS releases, just pretend that Vista isn't even out yet. Don't upgrade for another year until it's better. Game developers understand that most people aren't on Vista yet and won't start making Vista specific games for a long time. Hell, most games for XP still work on 2000.

Edit: <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />, It was funnnny!

BlackMage · July 2007

XP for my desktops and *NIX flavor of the month for servers. It's been working for the past several years and it looks like it'll continue to work for years to come.

Quaunaut · July 2007

Frankly, I wanna get something straight.

If you think OSX or Leopard are going to be superior to Vista in any way, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Want proof? Lets look at a few signs:

iTunes is easily, by far, the most ###### up music player in the history of mankind. Go check out it's specs- yeah, barely takes up any RAM right? Oh, wait, but turn on the ultra-cool Coverflow, or even just have the album view going. No, you can't see any quick signs for this, but now, launch a game overtop of it.

Yeah, see that FPS drop? Thats apple's ###### coders, who don't have a clue what they're doing.

And Ubuntu would be a better OS anyhow, but sadly WINE is never gonna get to good enough quality to be permanently useful. Until Linux itself gets embraced by gamemakers, its a dead end.

Now, Apple's OS is nice for how everything works together, but I've never been one to castrate my system because poor coders have a cult.

Warrior · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Jul 14 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1638973[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
DirectX 10 isn't even that different from 9.c, it's not a massive difference to capabilities, efficiency, or wow factor. True that the Crye engine hasn't come out yet, but even then that has more to do with the game engine itself and not it's renderer. Not to mention, DirectX dates back to Windows 95. --wait a minute, huh? YES, WINDOWS FRIKIN 95 PEOPLE! (nerd info: DirectX was the brain child of Craig Eisler, Alex St. John, and Eric Engstrom) Maybe I'm wrong about DX10, but honestly, it's being used as a tool to get gamers to think they HAVE TO switch to Vista right now. Sadly, ignorant people will listen because they don't know anything different.
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The same thing was said about DX9. DX9 first started at offering nothing new, and now look at it. The same thing is for DX10. There isnt even a DX10 only game yet so we have no clue what its capabilities are. All we have are ports and games with a DX10 path but primarily a DX9 game. DX10 may not be great now but a few years from now we should be seeing what SM4 is all about.

And did you honestly spend 2 grand on a Mac that only has a 8600?

Quaunaut · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Jul 14 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1638973[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
DirectX 10 isn't even that different from 9.c, it's not a massive difference to capabilities, efficiency, or wow factor. True that the Crye engine hasn't come out yet, but even then that has more to do with the game engine itself and not it's renderer. Not to mention, DirectX dates back to Windows 95. --wait a minute, huh? YES, WINDOWS FRIKIN 95 PEOPLE! (nerd info: DirectX was the brain child of Craig Eisler, Alex St. John, and Eric Engstrom) Maybe I'm wrong about DX10, but honestly, it's being used as a tool to get gamers to think they HAVE TO switch to Vista right now. Sadly, ignorant people will listen because they don't know anything different.
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Oh, and for the record: You have no clue what you're talking about. I'd appreciate it if you did any kind of research on this at all. Whatsoever. Maybe? Oh, right, you don't have to, you're a Mac user. Well, let me tell you.

DirectX was indeed basically the same, uber-upgraded version for several years, through the advent of XP. But there is a reason DX10 is not compatable with DX9: Its a complete rewrite of the system from the ground up. It doesn't work similarly at all. It's top-end threshold is completely out of the stratosphere, unlike DX9 which was reaching its limit(as has been told to me by developers).

Yeah, no games have released with any worthwhile reason to be on DX10. Shadowrun is DX9 game, plain and simple. Halo 2 is like...DX8. Max.

But lets look a bit into the future, here, and look at the difference between DX9 and 10.

<img src="http://files.fluctuat.net/images/a/1173364469.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

<a href="http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/video/4/ShipComparison.wmv" target="_blank">http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/video/4/ShipComparison.wmv</a>

I'd show you the Flight Simulator shot, but its an artist's rendition, not the actual difference(bad business tactics is something MS is definitely guilty of).

x5, seriously, do some research before you claim half of this stuff. I know MS bashing is what the cool kids do, but at least bring up valid points(vulnerability of being #1, whether the security is good or not, being way behind the times on UI innovations, being way behind in the Browser wars, or having a file system that could quite get any older).

Haze · July 2007

Ah, capitalism.

Caboose · July 2007

Angry gamer is angry.

Note: all of Quaunaut's arguments as to why OS X is inferior to Vista pertain to gaming. If an OS can't run every game that comes out, then it's completly useless, right?

And seriously, why would you run iTunes with coverflow on, or in fact not in the mini-mode if you intend to play games?

It's always the same people who view a PC as a glorified gaming console who bash Macs without proper justification.

Faskalia · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Jul 15 2007, 04:10 AM) [snapback]1638965[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
(it not only did it but she loved the iLife and not needing an anti-virus software).
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Wait, what is so integral different about mac that they don't need AV?

Swiftspear · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Caboose @ Jul 15 2007, 02:16 AM) [snapback]1638997[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Angry gamer is angry.

Note: all of Quaunaut's arguments as to why OS X is inferior to Vista pertain to gaming. If an OS can't run every game that comes out, then it's completly useless, right?

And seriously, why would you run iTunes with coverflow on, or in fact not in the mini-mode if you intend to play games?

It's always the same people who view a PC as a glorified gaming console who bash Macs without proper justification.
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If I'm choosing an OS that can't run every game well, why would I choose OS X over Lunix? I use Windows OSes because every game works for them. That's the only thing I prefer about windows OS to pretty much any Lunix release. Lunix is about infinity times better for managing media, staying secure, browsing the web, emulating cool stuff, and other such general things.

[edit] Quan: nothing in those screenshots or that video have anything to do with DX9 vs DX10... Everything in the "DX10" shots is possible on DX9.

BlackMage · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Jul 15 2007, 12:45 AM) [snapback]1638991[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, and for the record: You have no clue what you're talking about.
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Halo 2 is like...DX8. Max.</div>
you are no longer allowed to question anyone's knowledge on any subject ever again.

ps:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("halo 2 sysreqs")</div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">OS: Windows Vista
Processor: 2 Ghz Pentium 4 class processor (or x64)
RAM: 1 GB
Hard Drive: 7 GB
<b>Video Card: DX9 graphics card</b>: WDDM driver, PS 2.0/32BPP, At least nVidia 6000 or ATI x700 or above
Online Multi-player: Internet connection for Games for Windows – LIVE
Drive: DVD-ROM drive</span></div>

Quaunaut · July 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ Jul 15 2007, 01:06 AM) [snapback]1639011[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
you are no longer allowed to question anyone's knowledge on any subject ever again.

ps:
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Right, because everything in sysreqs is most definitely true:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><b>OS: Windows Vista</b>
Processor: 2 Ghz Pentium 4 class processor (or x64)
RAM: 1 GB
Hard Drive: 7 GB
Video Card: DX9 graphics card: WDDM driver, PS 2.0/32BPP, At least nVidia 6000 or ATI x700 or above
Online Multi-player: Internet connection for Games for Windows – LIVE
Drive: DVD-ROM drive</div>

I think we all know, theres no way in hell it really requires Vista to run, they just made it hell to run on anything else(even though it was cracked, same day as the delay for 'partial nudity' for the error).

All I'm saying is, I'm pretty sure those reqs are probably off.

Oh, hey, those requirements look ironically close to some other, very related, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Hardware_requirements" target="_blank">requirements I think I've seen lately</a>...

BlackMage · July 2007

It says it requires a DX9 card. This means that it will run with a DX9 card. This does not mean that they actually meant a DX10 card. The side of a game box is a lot like the side of a cereal box: when Tony the Tiger says that there are nine Frosted Flakes hidden in this picture it means that there are nine Frosted Flakes hidden in this picture, not ten. Nine, two less than eleven. Three squared. Nine. The box says DX9, and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means.

Just a note: while DX10 is one of the highest items in the very short list of reasons I might consider Vista a viable OS, it is by no means the only thing that is new. The game probably does something simple like open a file in a special way that causes everything except Vista to explode. Welcome to Microsoft's marketing department.

Just bend over and take it

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