QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1639014:date=Jul 15 2007, 01:26 AM:name=Black_Mage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ Jul 15 2007, 01:26 AM) [snapback]1639014[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> It says it requires a DX9 card. This means that it will run with a DX9 card. This does not mean that they actually meant a DX10 card. The side of a game box is a lot like the side of a cereal box: when Tony the Tiger says that there are nine Frosted Flakes hidden in this picture it means that there are nine Frosted Flakes hidden in this picture, not ten. Nine, two less than eleven. Three squared. Nine. The box says DX9, and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did I say that it required a DX10 card? Where did I say that? I can't seem to find where I said anything like that. I said Halo 2 had no business being "Vista Required". I also said DX10 was a substantial upgrade. I in fact, said very much the opposite:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, no games have released with any worthwhile reason to be on DX10. Shadowrun is DX9 game, plain and simple. Halo 2 is like...DX8. Max.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Note: all of Quaunaut's arguments as to why OS X is inferior to Vista pertain to gaming. If an OS can't run every game that comes out, then it's completly useless, right?
And seriously, why would you run iTunes with coverflow on, or in fact not in the mini-mode if you intend to play games?
It's always the same people who view a PC as a glorified gaming console who bash Macs without proper justification. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I 'bash' Macs because poor coding is poor coding. If you can't make a engine that has as few polygons as flat surfaces for album covers with no siding or anything else run decently, you really don't have good coders. If I can run WoW on one screen and EvE on another(haven't done this in a few months though) without either one slowing down, yet if I face the wrong direction in WoW with Coverflow on my FPS drops, thats a good sign that they really need to redo that entire thing.
I like Coverflow on because its honestly a great idea, and makes it tons easier to go through my albums. I've got everything neatly arranged, and I always listen to albums straight through, so it works perfectly for me. I'd like to be able to always have it in that mode, as I alt-tab a lot out of WoW for various reasons(changing albums, looking up webpages, etc etc).
And Caboose, the reason all my arguments pertained to gaming, was specifically for his very first paragraph: <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Hmm, let's take OSX Tiger... it just always works, it's more efficient with RAM, it doesn't need defrag,... need I go on? (maybe I do) Oh and most of you probably have never heard of a little piece of $69.99 software called Crossfire and knew that it could run apps like the Source engine at 80fps on a MacBook Pro. Hmm, NS2 on a MacBook Pro? Heresy!!! Burn him at the stake!!!The more I learn about an alternative such as Mac OSX, the more I begin to think my next OS will be Leopard.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also many other points during his post were talking about that, and I'm personally just a little iffy, if only because I really WOULD like to see OSX as my gaming platform of choice- they certainly move faster and look cleaner than most everything Windows can do. But its having to jump through hoops where I don't have to yet. Not to mention, last time I heard about Macs and gaming, Steve Jobs "promised" he'd work as hard as he could to make it one of his priorities, and then it was quickly forgotten.
You can't use emulation(or anything close to it) as a valid argument when its still not gonna be as good, either. Its serviceable, but sometimes serviceable isn't good enough. I'd be running WoW in Wine on Ubuntu more often if that was the case(but it just doesn't perform well enough).
why are you busting your nuts over what people are saying over the internet? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
the O/S doesn't bother me in the slightest. if we can stay with XP that's fine with me. if we have to pay £100 for vista that's fine with me. there's a new O/S like what- every 5-10 years? it's not like EA where they roll out the same software with next year's number tacked on to the end and expect us to pay £40.
as for that dx9/10 picture comparison someone posted; to a normal non-tech person to myself the only difference i see is that beam of light being a little brighter, and that shadow being a little darker.
Quan... You're argument against OSX is "Itunes runs crappy on my windows computer, therefore it must have been coded by an idiot, therefore OSX must have been coded by the same idiot."
While, I agree with you, if indeed Itunes is defunct, than that gives you reason to suspect that OSX may have substandard coders contributing to it, your argument in and of itself is utterly wrong because it's a massive slippery slope presumption. You really haven't outlined any faults in OSX at all, you've just formed an opinion based on extremely hazy conspiracy theories.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1639026:date=Jul 15 2007, 03:01 AM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Swiftspear @ Jul 15 2007, 03:01 AM) [snapback]1639026[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Quan... You're argument against OSX is "Itunes runs crappy on my windows computer, therefore it must have been coded by an idiot, therefore OSX must have been coded by the same idiot."
While, I agree with you, if indeed Itunes is defunct, than that gives you reason to suspect that OSX may have substandard coders contributing to it, your argument in and of itself is utterly wrong because it's a massive slippery slope presumption. You really haven't outlined any faults in OSX at all, you've just formed an opinion based on extremely hazy conspiracy theories. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I could agree with that. I just have to look at it, like programs like iTunes, or the new Safari, are kind of the 'ambassadors' of Mac to Windows. Now, lucky for Mac, I don't play games on there, or I could notice the fps deficiencies easier- mayhaps they aren't even there. I do enjoy using Macs, though, when I do. I plan on getting one when I go back to college this fall, if only because I really believe they're a superior machine for schoolwork, or work in general(...more or less because of the clean and elegant design principles...and the fact that not being able to play games out of the box so easily can be used as a virtue for my easily-distracted self).
I like Windows because if I want to do something I can just, well, do it, with very little research on how to do it, and it runs well enough that I don't complain. Plus, Vista is shiny.
I also read somewhere that by making DX10 Vista-Only that it helps hardware (or software, don't remember) developers by only giving them one platform to build for, which is easier, or something. That's all extremely by memory and probably 90% wrong from the original thing that I read, but that was the basic jist of it: "DX10 only for vista, made it easier on software/hardware (not sure which ones) developers because they only had to develop for one (thing) and that meant less bugs were there."
Something like that.
But I freaking know that there is <i>some</i> benefit to DX10 being Vista-Only, somewhere, hidden deep, among all the dollar bills, no matter how insignificant. No, it's not "Microsoft makes even more money!"
The only reason I love Ubuntu and OS X more than Windows?
'ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DELETE THESE FILES!?' 'HAY! DUDE! LOOK AT MY UPDATES!' 'HAHA YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THEM WITHOUT USING MY SHINAY BROWSER!' 'DUDE, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT MY FILES!?' 'ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE SURE!?' 'DO YOU WANT TO MEBBIE DOWNLOADING SOME!?' 'ARE YA SURE!?' 'HEY, ARE YA SURE YA WANT TO DOWNLOAD SUM!?' 'OKIES, WE DOWNLOAD, YOU WANT TO OPEN?' 'YOU SURE YOU WANT TO OPEN DEESE?' 'DEY MIGHT HAVE VIRUS!' 'OMFG VIRUS FOR YOU! PHAIL!'
That_Annoying_KidSire of TitlesJoin Date: 2003-03-01Member: 14175Members, Constellation
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<!--quoteo(post=1639023:date=Jul 15 2007, 02:31 AM:name=Zydeco)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zydeco @ Jul 15 2007, 02:31 AM) [snapback]1639023[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Good god i hate the mac commercials. Can you _be_ more pretentious?
I will get vista in 2 years when it's not buggy, and I'm going to pay for it like I pay for all of my other MS systems. God knows I've bought xp like 10 times <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1639023:date=Jul 15 2007, 02:31 AM:name=Zydeco)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zydeco @ Jul 15 2007, 02:31 AM) [snapback]1639023[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Good god i hate the mac commercials. Can you _be_ more pretentious?
I will get vista in 2 years when it's not buggy, and I'm going to pay for it like I pay for all of my other MS systems. God knows I've bought xp like 10 times <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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edit: Posted like a 'normal' one because when you post one after the other it adds it onto the post above rather than making a new post. New feature. It's pretty awesome.
<!--quoteo(post=1638964:date=Jul 15 2007, 03:03 AM:name=Caboose)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Caboose @ Jul 15 2007, 03:03 AM) [snapback]1638964[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> And Thaldarin, Linux patches much more than that <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> I'd rather have an OS with frequent patching to ensure stability and security than otherwise. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Linux is Open Source free always in-development software. Windows Vista is supposed to be a final quality piece of cutting edge software with a heck of alot of money spent on it. I wouldn't expect as much from freeware, however paying alot of money for Vista I wouldn't expect it to be so unfinished.
X_StickmanNot good enough for a custom title.Join Date: 2003-04-15Member: 15533Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1639048:date=Jul 15 2007, 04:13 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ Jul 15 2007, 04:13 PM) [snapback]1639048[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Linux is Open Source free always in-development software. Windows Vista is supposed to be a final quality piece of cutting edge software with a heck of alot of money spent on it. I wouldn't expect as much from freeware, however paying alot of money for Vista I wouldn't expect it to be so unfinished. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be fair to MS here, it's nearly impossible to fully test an OS before release. There are so many hardware and software configurations out there, as well as moronic users etc... that to properly test a new OS you'd have to use every potential user as a beta tester.... which is kinda like what they do.
Hell, I had to make some really, really crappy MS Access powered database thing for one of my college courses. I thought it was working pretty well, I let someone else test run it, and BOOM. It broke. They just did something I couldn't think of to try (I can't even remember what it is now, it was so simple, I think it might've even been just trying to add a new entry that had a non alphanumeric character in its title). AN OS is far, far more complex than that, and has far more users.
I realise this also goes for Mac OS' and linux thingies and so on, but I don't know how often they're patched on release, or even how often mac releases a new OS or anything. I'm simple like that.
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--quoteo(post=1639048:date=Jul 15 2007, 09:13 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ Jul 15 2007, 09:13 AM) [snapback]1639048[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Windows Vista is supposed to be a final quality piece of cutting edge software with a heck of alot of money spent on it. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You could say the same on a game but what PC game do you have that hasn't been patched?
<!--quoteo(post=1639117:date=Jul 15 2007, 11:45 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Jul 15 2007, 11:45 PM) [snapback]1639117[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> You could say the same on a game but what PC game do you have that hasn't been patched? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> pong
<!--quoteo(post=1639119:date=Jul 16 2007, 12:05 AM:name=Black_Mage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ Jul 16 2007, 12:05 AM) [snapback]1639119[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> pong <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Unfair comparison, pong wasn't written in C++, and therefore is less prone to bugs.
Wizardry 7 was technically flawless and was not in need of patching.
There were a few patches released though in order to make to game run with duron and pentium CPUs <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1638953:date=Jul 15 2007, 03:25 AM:name=Jimmeh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Jul 15 2007, 03:25 AM) [snapback]1638953[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I like Vista. Shock horror. It's more intuitive than Linux and less retarded than Mac OS. It runs every game I want (maybe with a bit of tweaking for older games) and it looks darn'd pretty to boot. I've had 0 problems with it since I've used it.
... Why is everyone afraid of it again? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Because for every success story, there's one of failure. A friend living downstairs switched his stationary to Vista and couldn't get his latency below 800ms no matter what he connected to (even on the local network). Apparently, Vista's default drivers didn't play nice with his NIC. The manufacturers homepage only had drivers for XP. He switched back to XP again and his latency dropped to normal.
"But that's not Microsoft's fault. They didn't make the NIC. The manufacturer needs to provide updated drivers."
That doesn't change the fact that the computer was unable to get a normal network connection when running Vista. You always hear these stories, no matter what OS people are running. Everyone has heard or experienced something like this. The deciding factor is how often you hear them, and Vista is plagued by stuff like this.
Vista could be interesting, but is unfinished. Too risky to invest in at the present time.
<!--quoteo(post=1639149:date=Jul 16 2007, 07:54 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Jul 16 2007, 07:54 AM) [snapback]1639149[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"But that's not Microsoft's fault. They didn't make the NIC. The manufacturer needs to provide updated drivers."
That doesn't change the fact that the computer was unable to get a normal network connection when running Vista. You always hear these stories, no matter what OS people are running. Everyone has heard or experienced something like this. The deciding factor is how often you hear them, and Vista is plagued by stuff like this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is exactly why I don't give Vista a passing thought, even as I was piecing together a Core 2 Duo system.
If you have Vista and it works for you that is great, but put your case into a wider perspective when you recommend it to people and when you dismiss all of the negative press.
<!--quoteo(post=1639149:date=Jul 16 2007, 07:54 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Jul 16 2007, 07:54 AM) [snapback]1639149[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> "But that's not Microsoft's fault. They didn't make the NIC. The manufacturer needs to provide updated drivers." <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is the part that makes me laugh. For anyone commenting about any OS 'Just working' they need to realize that this doesn't have much to do with the OS writer. Plug and Play is more about the hardware or software maker creating their hardware or software to be plug and play with the target OS and not the other way around. Though in my opinion, Windows has a lot shakier foundation for others to be building on top of.
The point is that it doesn't work with Vista, so Vista is not viable. Why it doesn't work with Vista is of course important, but is not the primary concern. The primary concern is getting a latency below 800ms, and if Vista + something can't deliver that while XP + something can, then XP is the OS of choice.
<!--quoteo(post=1639153:date=Jul 16 2007, 08:28 AM:name=KungFuDiscoMonkey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Jul 16 2007, 08:28 AM) [snapback]1639153[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->. . . For anyone commenting about any OS 'Just working' they need to realize that this doesn't have much to do with the OS writer. <!--quoteo(post=1639154:date=Jul 16 2007, 08:35 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Jul 16 2007, 08:35 AM) [snapback]1639154[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The point is that it doesn't work with Vista, so Vista is not viable. Why it doesn't work with Vista is of course important, but is not the primary concern. The primary concern is getting a latency below 800ms, and if Vista + something can't deliver that while XP + something can, then XP is the OS of choice.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly.. why base your upgrade decisions on an ideology of blame or responsibility?
The UI improvements amount to gimmicks when compared with the issue of compatibility.
I should probably have clarified, I wasn't meaning to target lolfighter's comment specifically but just the general idea that everything Windows is plug and play and 'Just works'.
I had a roommate with a new laptop, it shipped with Vista. There is no excuse for a laptop to ship with a broken NIC driver, ever. A half hour and one XP disc later, everything was silky smooth.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I had a roommate with a new laptop, it shipped with Vista. There is no excuse for a laptop to ship with a broken NIC driver, ever.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's Microsoft's fault the guys who built the laptop didn't check compatibility.
I have a friend who uses vista (actually claims to like it!). The problems I've seen him deal with have convinced me to stay away. My favorite was the time he created a few files and then couldn't delete them (no UAC prompt even) from the gui, and could only delete half of them from the command line. Though the way you can force it to disable its own interfaces with a forged arp packet (or bad luck) is high on the list too.
Well, the worst part about Vista is the "User account management" (roughly translated from the german version). You could disable most of it through the interface, then they changed it and you could only disable it through the registry.
One day, I was not able to save my excel sheets. So I looked at the sheet and it was read-only. In fact, the whole ###### harddrive was read only and I was not able to remove it! Neither interface nor command line. No chance!
In the end it turned out that a recent vista patch basically froze and conserved the state of your hdd when user account management was disabled. I was actually quite happy and fond of vista until said patch.
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It says it requires a DX9 card. This means that it will run with a DX9 card. This does not mean that they actually meant a DX10 card. The side of a game box is a lot like the side of a cereal box: when Tony the Tiger says that there are nine Frosted Flakes hidden in this picture it means that there are nine Frosted Flakes hidden in this picture, not ten. Nine, two less than eleven. Three squared. Nine. The box says DX9, and I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means.
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Did I say that it required a DX10 card? Where did I say that? I can't seem to find where I said anything like that. I said Halo 2 had no business being "Vista Required". I also said DX10 was a substantial upgrade. I in fact, said very much the opposite:
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Angry gamer is angry.
Note: all of Quaunaut's arguments as to why OS X is inferior to Vista pertain to gaming. If an OS can't run every game that comes out, then it's completly useless, right?
And seriously, why would you run iTunes with coverflow on, or in fact not in the mini-mode if you intend to play games?
It's always the same people who view a PC as a glorified gaming console who bash Macs without proper justification.
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I 'bash' Macs because poor coding is poor coding. If you can't make a engine that has as few polygons as flat surfaces for album covers with no siding or anything else run decently, you really don't have good coders. If I can run WoW on one screen and EvE on another(haven't done this in a few months though) without either one slowing down, yet if I face the wrong direction in WoW with Coverflow on my FPS drops, thats a good sign that they really need to redo that entire thing.
I like Coverflow on because its honestly a great idea, and makes it tons easier to go through my albums. I've got everything neatly arranged, and I always listen to albums straight through, so it works perfectly for me. I'd like to be able to always have it in that mode, as I alt-tab a lot out of WoW for various reasons(changing albums, looking up webpages, etc etc).
And Caboose, the reason all my arguments pertained to gaming, was specifically for his very first paragraph:
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Hmm, let's take OSX Tiger... it just always works, it's more efficient with RAM, it doesn't need defrag,... need I go on? (maybe I do) Oh and most of you probably have never heard of a little piece of $69.99 software called Crossfire and knew that it could run apps like the Source engine at 80fps on a MacBook Pro. Hmm, NS2 on a MacBook Pro? Heresy!!! Burn him at the stake!!!The more I learn about an alternative such as Mac OSX, the more I begin to think my next OS will be Leopard.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also many other points during his post were talking about that, and I'm personally just a little iffy, if only because I really WOULD like to see OSX as my gaming platform of choice- they certainly move faster and look cleaner than most everything Windows can do. But its having to jump through hoops where I don't have to yet. Not to mention, last time I heard about Macs and gaming, Steve Jobs "promised" he'd work as hard as he could to make it one of his priorities, and then it was quickly forgotten.
You can't use emulation(or anything close to it) as a valid argument when its still not gonna be as good, either. Its serviceable, but sometimes serviceable isn't good enough. I'd be running WoW in Wine on Ubuntu more often if that was the case(but it just doesn't perform well enough).
why are you busting your nuts over what people are saying over the internet? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
the O/S doesn't bother me in the slightest. if we can stay with XP that's fine with me. if we have to pay £100 for vista that's fine with me. there's a new O/S like what- every 5-10 years? it's not like EA where they roll out the same software with next year's number tacked on to the end and expect us to pay £40.
as for that dx9/10 picture comparison someone posted; to a normal non-tech person to myself the only difference i see is that beam of light being a little brighter, and that shadow being a little darker.
<a href="http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant" target="_blank">http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant</a>
While, I agree with you, if indeed Itunes is defunct, than that gives you reason to suspect that OSX may have substandard coders contributing to it, your argument in and of itself is utterly wrong because it's a massive slippery slope presumption. You really haven't outlined any faults in OSX at all, you've just formed an opinion based on extremely hazy conspiracy theories.
Quan... You're argument against OSX is "Itunes runs crappy on my windows computer, therefore it must have been coded by an idiot, therefore OSX must have been coded by the same idiot."
While, I agree with you, if indeed Itunes is defunct, than that gives you reason to suspect that OSX may have substandard coders contributing to it, your argument in and of itself is utterly wrong because it's a massive slippery slope presumption. You really haven't outlined any faults in OSX at all, you've just formed an opinion based on extremely hazy conspiracy theories.
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I could agree with that. I just have to look at it, like programs like iTunes, or the new Safari, are kind of the 'ambassadors' of Mac to Windows. Now, lucky for Mac, I don't play games on there, or I could notice the fps deficiencies easier- mayhaps they aren't even there. I do enjoy using Macs, though, when I do. I plan on getting one when I go back to college this fall, if only because I really believe they're a superior machine for schoolwork, or work in general(...more or less because of the clean and elegant design principles...and the fact that not being able to play games out of the box so easily can be used as a virtue for my easily-distracted self).
I also read somewhere that by making DX10 Vista-Only that it helps hardware (or software, don't remember) developers by only giving them one platform to build for, which is easier, or something. That's all extremely by memory and probably 90% wrong from the original thing that I read, but that was the basic jist of it: "DX10 only for vista, made it easier on software/hardware (not sure which ones) developers because they only had to develop for one (thing) and that meant less bugs were there."
Something like that.
But I freaking know that there is <i>some</i> benefit to DX10 being Vista-Only, somewhere, hidden deep, among all the dollar bills, no matter how insignificant. No, it's not "Microsoft makes even more money!"
'ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DELETE THESE FILES!?'
'HAY! DUDE! LOOK AT MY UPDATES!'
'HAHA YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THEM WITHOUT USING MY SHINAY BROWSER!'
'DUDE, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT MY FILES!?'
'ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE SURE!?'
'DO YOU WANT TO MEBBIE DOWNLOADING SOME!?'
'ARE YA SURE!?'
'HEY, ARE YA SURE YA WANT TO DOWNLOAD SUM!?'
'OKIES, WE DOWNLOAD, YOU WANT TO OPEN?'
'YOU SURE YOU WANT TO OPEN DEESE?'
'DEY MIGHT HAVE VIRUS!'
'OMFG VIRUS FOR YOU! PHAIL!'
Good god i hate the mac commercials. Can you _be_ more pretentious?
<a href="http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant" target="_blank">http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant</a>
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Win !
I will get vista in 2 years when it's not buggy, and I'm going to pay for it like I pay for all of my other MS systems. God knows I've bought xp like 10 times <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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Good god i hate the mac commercials. Can you _be_ more pretentious?
<a href="http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant" target="_blank">http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant</a>
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Win !
I will get vista in 2 years when it's not buggy, and I'm going to pay for it like I pay for all of my other MS systems. God knows I've bought xp like 10 times <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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edit: Posted like a 'normal' one because when you post one after the other it adds it onto the post above rather than making a new post. New feature. It's pretty awesome.
And Thaldarin, Linux patches much more than that <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> I'd rather have an OS with frequent patching to ensure stability and security than otherwise.
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Linux is Open Source free always in-development software. Windows Vista is supposed to be a final quality piece of cutting edge software with a heck of alot of money spent on it. I wouldn't expect as much from freeware, however paying alot of money for Vista I wouldn't expect it to be so unfinished.
I'm totally used to hers, but only use it because I have to - my WinXP is so much better.
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Linux is Open Source free always in-development software. Windows Vista is supposed to be a final quality piece of cutting edge software with a heck of alot of money spent on it. I wouldn't expect as much from freeware, however paying alot of money for Vista I wouldn't expect it to be so unfinished.
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To be fair to MS here, it's nearly impossible to fully test an OS before release. There are so many hardware and software configurations out there, as well as moronic users etc... that to properly test a new OS you'd have to use every potential user as a beta tester.... which is kinda like what they do.
Hell, I had to make some really, really crappy MS Access powered database thing for one of my college courses. I thought it was working pretty well, I let someone else test run it, and BOOM. It broke. They just did something I couldn't think of to try (I can't even remember what it is now, it was so simple, I think it might've even been just trying to add a new entry that had a non alphanumeric character in its title). AN OS is far, far more complex than that, and has far more users.
I realise this also goes for Mac OS' and linux thingies and so on, but I don't know how often they're patched on release, or even how often mac releases a new OS or anything. I'm simple like that.
Windows Vista is supposed to be a final quality piece of cutting edge software with a heck of alot of money spent on it.
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You could say the same on a game but what PC game do you have that hasn't been patched?
You could say the same on a game but what PC game do you have that hasn't been patched?
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pong
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Which evidences the simpler the software, the less work it needs.
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Unfair comparison, pong wasn't written in C++, and therefore is less prone to bugs.
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I like Vista. Shock horror. It's more intuitive than Linux and less retarded than Mac OS. It runs every game I want (maybe with a bit of tweaking for older games) and it looks darn'd pretty to boot. I've had 0 problems with it since I've used it.
... Why is everyone afraid of it again?
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Because for every success story, there's one of failure. A friend living downstairs switched his stationary to Vista and couldn't get his latency below 800ms no matter what he connected to (even on the local network). Apparently, Vista's default drivers didn't play nice with his NIC. The manufacturers homepage only had drivers for XP. He switched back to XP again and his latency dropped to normal.
"But that's not Microsoft's fault. They didn't make the NIC. The manufacturer needs to provide updated drivers."
That doesn't change the fact that the computer was unable to get a normal network connection when running Vista.
You always hear these stories, no matter what OS people are running. Everyone has heard or experienced something like this. The deciding factor is how often you hear them, and Vista is plagued by stuff like this.
Vista could be interesting, but is unfinished. Too risky to invest in at the present time.
That doesn't change the fact that the computer was unable to get a normal network connection when running Vista.
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This is exactly why I don't give Vista a passing thought, even as I was piecing together a Core 2 Duo system.
If you have Vista and it works for you that is great, but put your case into a wider perspective when you recommend it to people and when you dismiss all of the negative press.
"But that's not Microsoft's fault. They didn't make the NIC. The manufacturer needs to provide updated drivers."
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This is the part that makes me laugh. For anyone commenting about any OS 'Just working' they need to realize that this doesn't have much to do with the OS writer. Plug and Play is more about the hardware or software maker creating their hardware or software to be plug and play with the target OS and not the other way around. Though in my opinion, Windows has a lot shakier foundation for others to be building on top of.
Exactly.. why base your upgrade decisions on an ideology of blame or responsibility?
The UI improvements amount to gimmicks when compared with the issue of compatibility.
It's Microsoft's fault the guys who built the laptop didn't check compatibility.
One day, I was not able to save my excel sheets. So I looked at the sheet and it was read-only. In fact, the whole ###### harddrive was read only and I was not able to remove it! Neither interface nor command line. No chance!
In the end it turned out that a recent vista patch basically froze and conserved the state of your hdd when user account management was disabled. I was actually quite happy and fond of vista until said patch.
PC: *right click*
Mac: ######.