Left 4 Dead

AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
edited July 2008 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">because the old thread went past the cut-off date</div><a href="http://xs.to" target="_blank"><img src="http://xs229.xs.to/xs229/08301/l4dboxart313.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
So is anyone bothered by the new character graphics? Personally I don't care either way, but I've seen plenty of complaining.

Still can't wait to play as a hunter zombie. It'll be like <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/skulk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::skulk::" border="0" alt="skulk.gif" /> all over again!
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    I saw a bit of complaining, but didn't pay any attention as I haven't even seen the new characters.

    Linkeh?
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <a href="http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/15/valve-reveals-new-cast-for-left-4-dead/" target="_blank">http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/15/valve-re...or-left-4-dead/</a> for example
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    It lacks a vietnam veteran hobo. Zombie <strike>movie</strike> game casts need a vietnam veteran who returned with PTSD and drowned his sorrows in the bottle, but who totally can handle a rifle like no one else and who gets to sacrifice himself to save the others near the end of the <strike>movie</strike> game by blowing himself and a huge bunch of zombies up with a grenade (or explosive charges, or a bunch of grenades).

    Other than that, who cares? As long as there are plenty of zombies to splatter.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    I like the new character graphics better, although I still like the old ones too. It's <i>all</i> good. All I really care about is gameplay.
  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    Don't really mind either way.

    It's a question of the game itself. Until I have it in my hands and I've fragged my way through a couple of scenarios, I tend to withhold judgment. Graphics can be eh, but stellar gameplay and well executed goals make the game, not that you've become attached to a previous model.

    I hope they get a good animation system. HL2 fast zombies were kinda weird looking when they jumped.
  • AbraAbra Would you kindly Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19870Members
    I hope to god it's difficult!
    The player-controlled infected should even the odds.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1684187:date=Jul 21 2008, 04:09 PM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Jul 21 2008, 04:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684187"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I hope to god it's difficult!
    The player-controlled infected should even the odds.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    With the AI Director thing they've got I imagine that when you set it it to "really hard" it can just dynamically adjust the difficulty to make things really brutal. I'm 99% sure that the way it works is that you choose a difficulty and the game shapes the experience to that difficulty, so I imagine the "brutal" setting will be truly brutal no matter how good you are.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited July 2008
    <!--quoteo(post=1684187:date=Jul 21 2008, 05:09 PM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Jul 21 2008, 05:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684187"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The player-controlled infected should even the odds.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Didn't they sorta remove that?

    Like the base game play doesn't have them or something?
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    edited July 2008
    so are they left handed or right handed?

    <img src="http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/screenshots/phl/81436766.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />


    I noticed the reflection is wrong in the one in the first post
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    I dunno, I've seen it both ways. Maybe they haven't made up their minds.
  • ANeMANeM Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16267Members, Constellation
    edited July 2008
    <!--quoteo(post=1684207:date=Jul 22 2008, 08:01 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 22 2008, 08:01 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684207"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I dunno, I've seen it both ways. Maybe they haven't made up their minds.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, the one at the top is a bad photo chop. Look around the logo, the PC DVD logo and the valve logo, there are boxes around these showing where they've been un-mirrored.. oh, and the reflections

    As for the character art, I'm a little bothered by the new 'clean' look. I mean, they should either start dirty, or gradually get dirtier through out the levels. Clean and zombie apocalypse do not mix. Oh, and the girls hair now is just.. bleh. The bandanna reminds of of one of the hairstyles for female blood elves from WoW..
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited July 2008
    Yeah, it's 5 billion hours in MSPaint by yours truly, because Anon was muttering about how it should be a LEFT hand, because then it's a LEFT hand with 4 FINGERS and it looks pretty DEAD with that gaping wound in the side.
    (this is where you laugh)
  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1684204:date=Jul 22 2008, 02:47 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jul 22 2008, 02:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684204"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Didn't they sorta remove that?

    Like the base game play doesn't have them or something?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    To be exact, there are two modes. One is pure 4 co-op survivors going along the scenario, all encounters generated by the "director". The second involves player controlled zombies playing against the player controlled survivors. Not exactly sure how the second system is supposed to work.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    Not a Fan of the girl's new look but the guys look better =o
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    I miss the old guy.

    But yeah, that girl was a really bad choice in art direction.
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Join Date: 2008-06-17 Member: 64467Members
    I'm Fine with the looks because people will always mod the models, what I want is good gameplay at start <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited July 2008
    I *really* don't like the new stuff. The girl looks flashier, the kind that I will automatically assume is a dumb bimbo(you have to do this to survive in California), the white guy looks like generic-badass-man, and the old man just looks boring. The black guy looks neat though.

    Then again, I loved all the old models.

    Otherwise, I still want this. Badly.

    Edit: <!--quoteo(post=1684216:date=Jul 22 2008, 10:41 AM:name=spellman23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spellman23 @ Jul 22 2008, 10:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684216"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To be exact, there are two modes. One is pure 4 co-op survivors going along the scenario, all encounters generated by the "director". The second involves player controlled zombies playing against the player controlled survivors. Not exactly sure how the second system is supposed to work.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Uh...no. There is only one mode, just you can turn off enemy players(whether you're infected or survivors). If you are playing as the infected, you're one of the "boss" infected, of which I know there are at least 4 types, if not more. I'm not sure if you could be a 'normal' infected.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    Yeah, the girl looks like a model (Get it? Haw haw); get that sh*t outta here. The buff white dude looks like an action movie cliche, and the Vietnam vet doesn't have as much character as before. The black guy is pretty good though.
  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1684228:date=Jul 22 2008, 07:43 PM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Jul 22 2008, 07:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684228"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Uh...no. There is only one mode, just you can turn off enemy players(whether you're infected or survivors). If you are playing as the infected, you're one of the "boss" infected, of which I know there are at least 4 types, if not more. I'm not sure if you could be a 'normal' infected.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thanks for clarifying that. I knew it would be primarily bosses, but I'm also unsure on being able to control normal infected. It might get a little boring if you have to wait for a boss to spawn via director's choice. I believe there are 4 known bosses, and 1 extra witch creature which pwns you if you make too much noise.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1684240:date=Jul 22 2008, 03:55 PM:name=spellman23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spellman23 @ Jul 22 2008, 03:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684240"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thanks for clarifying that. I knew it would be primarily bosses, but I'm also unsure on being able to control normal infected. It might get a little boring if you have to wait for a boss to spawn via director's choice. I believe there are 4 known bosses, and 1 extra witch creature which pwns you if you make too much noise.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well that would make the witch known, and I believe there's a picture of her about.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Also a video. But you can't control her like the boss types, so she's a special case.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    She is blind so... no real way you could control her in an FPS unless they pulled some sonar like-######.

    Wait... that's a GREAT idea.
  • naXynaXy Join Date: 2008-07-12 Member: 64618Members
    thought it was getting released in september,just saw that it's november which kinda breaks my heart
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1684274:date=Jul 23 2008, 05:17 AM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Jul 23 2008, 05:17 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684274"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->She is blind so... no real way you could control her in an FPS unless they pulled some sonar like-######.

    Wait... that's a GREAT idea.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    true, it would be a nifty concept, however the concept of the witch is:
    "You ###### up, you die"

    What we have atm are:
    Normal Zombies - All controlled by the Director

    Boss Zombies:
    Smoker - Long tunge, strangle survivors with it. Either drags them to him (can do this from the other side of a crowd of zombies), or try to hang them.
    Boomer - Fat, ugly, nasty, blows up when killed and pukes on people.
    Hunter - Crack Zombie. Climbs, is fast, and has a pounce attack (when it lands it beats on you until you or it dies)
    They are spawned as the director needs them, can be controlled by humans in some modes.

    Tank - BFZ. Generally spawned at specific times (half way/endpoint/what not). Can be controlled by players

    Witch - Fast, Deadly, lots of HP. Only activates if you make noise around her or use your flashlight. She has distinctive sounds that warn you she is around, and players will auto say lines about her. Can't be human controlled.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    for comparison purposes
    <a href="http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs229&d=08303&f=l4dgirl768.jpeg" target="_blank"><img src="http://xs229.xs.to/xs229/08303/l4dgirl768.jpeg.xs.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
    no comment
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1684308:date=Jul 24 2008, 12:00 AM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jul 24 2008, 12:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684308"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->for comparison purposes
    <a href="http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs229&d=08303&f=l4dgirl768.jpeg" target="_blank"><img src="http://xs229.xs.to/xs229/08303/l4dgirl768.jpeg.xs.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
    no comment<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Original looks experienced, worn and wears typical things one might have scavenged in a now not-so-nice world.

    The other looks like she just came from a screening for babes-with-guns, happily ignorant of the apocalypse outside.

    Meh, hope it will be too hectic and dark enough to see any real difference.
  • AbraAbra Would you kindly Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19870Members
    The original ones looked like 4 bums, the new ones looks weird. Except for the black guy, it's alright.
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1684311:date=Jul 24 2008, 01:09 AM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Jul 24 2008, 01:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684311"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The original ones looked like 4 bums, the new ones looks weird. Except for the black guy, it's alright.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Who wouldn't look like a bum after the apocalypse? It's not like they were deep frozen in some lab and just happened to stumble out among infected all of sudden with fresh clothes.

    A blood drenched shirt isn't so attractive after a few days.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1684322:date=Jul 23 2008, 08:08 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Jul 23 2008, 08:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684322"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Who wouldn't look like a bum after the apocalypse? It's not like they were deep frozen in some lab and just happened to stumble out among infected all of sudden with fresh clothes.

    A blood drenched shirt isn't so attractive after a few days.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why WOULD you look like a bum during the apocalypse? You'd bet I would be looting all the nicest clothes I could find man.

    Killing zombies while waring a $5000 suit? You bet.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    edited July 2008
    <!--quoteo(post=1684278:date=Jul 23 2008, 05:21 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Jul 23 2008, 05:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684278"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->true, it would be a nifty concept, however the concept of the witch is:
    "You ###### up, you die"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    But think about it though, imagine if a player who plays the Witch would see nothing but black until something breaks the silence like loud gun fire. Then everything is highlighted in some blue looking shader and the Witch has a split second to act as it's the only time it can see anything. So if zombies are around, the survivors have no option other to defend themselves but that gives the Witch sight.

    Now that'd be butt-clenching.

    <!--quoteo(post=1684325:date=Jul 23 2008, 07:39 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Jul 23 2008, 07:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1684325"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why WOULD you look like a bum during the apocalypse? You'd bet I would be looting all the nicest clothes I could find man.

    Killing zombies while waring a $5000 suit? You bet.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You think it'd still look like a $5000 suit?
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