The Female Marine, can we go a further step?

Jimyd

So if we have a female Marine why can't we have have a furry Marine?

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I'm just kidding... LOL Z!!!

But on a serious note, can we have a seperate hitbox for the female Marine if it does look aesthetically different?

Or at least make the "invisible" hitbox small enough on the side-by-side comparison of the female and male Marine to not be noticeble during gameplay. There is nothing worse than seeing a model take damage 3 feet next to them with blood splattering out because the hitboxes are "boxy" and were lazily made.

=)

Konohas Perverted Hermit

Female Marines should be faster but weaker health and armor wise and vice-versa for Male Marines.

Sirot

<!--quoteo(post=1695400:date=Dec 6 2008, 04:33 PM:name=Konohas Perverted Hermit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Konohas Perverted Hermit @ Dec 6 2008, 04:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695400"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Female Marines should be faster but weaker health and armor wise and vice-versa for Male Marines.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You're getting into things that you really should avoid with that one.

Also, as I said before: your signature is way too bright because of the code bubble.

Jimyd

<!--quoteo(post=1695400:date=Dec 6 2008, 01:33 PM:name=Konohas Perverted Hermit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Konohas Perverted Hermit @ Dec 6 2008, 01:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695400"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Female Marines should be faster but weaker health and armor wise and vice-versa for Male Marines.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't think so... the hitboxes should make up for lost ground in other parts of the body.

For example, if the female Marine is bustier from a side profile, then the male Marine is wider in the shoulders from a frontal and back profile.

Another idea would be to have the female Marine taller and slightly more slender, with the male Marine shorter and more "stocky".

That is what should be done to "balance" the game.

Sirot

Regarding hitboxes, the alien attacks are mostly indirect (see bite and spore), so I think exact hitboxes between the marines is not a significant issue. As long as they are roughly the same, it should be fine.

Jimyd

Also, make sure to put flower petals on the female heavy armor. Plus make the jetpack stream made of candy canes and glitter.

aNytiMe

<!--quoteo(post=1695403:date=Dec 6 2008, 09:38 PM:name=Jimyd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimyd @ Dec 6 2008, 09:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695403"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Another idea would be to have the female Marine taller and slightly more slender, with the male Marine shorter and more "stocky".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How does that make any sense? Males are a lot taller on average. I think the hitboxes should be identical.

Killer Ricochet

Ignoring the gender of the player, imagine someone just playing with female models just because they're faster (what?! even faster jetpackers!?) or male models because it wants health. My opnion is that should be no diference between male/female models's hitboxes and atributes (health, speed...). So a player chooses between them based on... their appearence... so female players can play without HAVING to be male marines. Choosing between a girl and a boy it's not the same of choosing two diferent classes.

edit: as Sirot said, little differences between hitboxes don't really make difference to aliens. But in MvM?

Zek

I sincerely hope that female marines won't have big enough boobs to warrant a new hitbox.

.trixX.

<!--quoteo(post=1695555:date=Dec 8 2008, 03:40 AM:name=Zek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zek @ Dec 8 2008, 03:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695555"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I sincerely hope that female marines won't have big enough boobs to warrant a new hitbox.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

What's wrong with you? ;]

Nasdero

lol so you hope those boobs should be big enough that you can see them on first person ? ^^
this would give players a fency choice, you have a bit of the screen filled with boobs so you see nothig in this area but you can see boobs what should you do ? pic male for full view or female for boob view ^^

.trixX.

<!--quoteo(post=1695576:date=Dec 8 2008, 12:32 PM:name=Nasdero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nasdero @ Dec 8 2008, 12:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695576"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->lol so you hope those boobs should be big enough that you can see them on first person ? ^^
this would give players a fency choice, you have a bit of the screen filled with boobs so you see nothig in this area but you can see boobs what should you do ? pic male for full view or female for boob view ^^<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

The latter of course xD

Nasdero

so heres the first one that would deal game view for boob view ^^

Killer Ricochet

<!--quoteo(post=1695576:date=Dec 8 2008, 09:32 AM:name=Nasdero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nasdero @ Dec 8 2008, 09:32 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695576"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->lol so you hope those boobs should be big enough that you can see them on first person ? ^^
this would give players a fency choice, you have a bit of the screen filled with boobs so you see nothig in this area but you can see boobs what should you do ? pic male for full view or female for boob view ^^<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Imagine playing in a Lan House with the female marine?
But I prefer the second one.

Konohas Perverted Hermit

<!--quoteo(post=1695402:date=Dec 6 2008, 03:37 PM:name=Sirot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sirot @ Dec 6 2008, 03:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695402"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You're getting into things that you really should avoid with that one.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Narp, I stick by my words.

<!--quoteo(post=1695402:date=Dec 6 2008, 03:37 PM:name=Sirot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sirot @ Dec 6 2008, 03:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695402"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, as I said before: your signature is way too bright because of the code bubble.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Post it on your FaceBook/MySpace. I don't care.

Radix

You're opening up a lot of problems if you mod the hitbox. I know for one thing that if the female marine has a more slender hitbox I would always take that over width because it's easier to dodge projectile attacks like spit.

Kyoda

Female Marine must have more curves than the one already created, on breast, on waist, on gluteal and on legs. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" />

Konohas Perverted Hermit

I still say (and I am using real life to back this up) that the Female Marines should be Faster in their movement speed but weaker in Health and Armor than the Male Marines. Common knowledge would tell you all this is true.

Killer Ricochet

It's a sci-fi videogame! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />

Don't base yourself just on reality.

HatlabuFarkas

<!--quoteo(post=1695398:date=Dec 6 2008, 10:24 PM:name=Jimyd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimyd @ Dec 6 2008, 10:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695398"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So if we have a female Marine why can't we have have a furry Marine?

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I'm just kidding... LOL Z!!!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


We loves the furry ones <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />D ('cause we are furries to0)

Skool

Women character...

-Higher recoil (They are weaker)
-They should always be in front (Ladies first!)
-Maybe have the screen blurred from tears cause its that time of the month and all the marines should stop what they are doing and listen.
-Also she can go make us all sammichs!
-And when a guy picks a female the game can alert us he is a fgt that likes anime and wishes the armor was bikini style and has a 9 foot long 300 pound sword on her back.

This is some constructive ###### btw.

ozbirdboy

<!--quoteo(post=1696978:date=Jan 2 2009, 11:39 AM:name=Skool)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Skool @ Jan 2 2009, 11:39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1696978"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Women character...

-Higher recoil (They are weaker)
-They should always be in front (Ladies first!)
-Maybe have the screen blurred from tears cause its that time of the month and all the marines should stop what they are doing and listen.
-Also she can go make us all sammichs!
-And when a guy picks a female the game can alert us he is a fgt that likes anime and wishes the armor was bikini style and has a 9 foot long 300 pound sword on her back.

This is some constructive ###### btw.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

LOL

BCSeph

<!--quoteo(post=1696591:date=Dec 23 2008, 02:17 AM:name=Konohas Perverted Hermit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Konohas Perverted Hermit @ Dec 23 2008, 02:17 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1696591"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still say (and I am using real life to back this up) that the Female Marines should be Faster in their movement speed but weaker in Health and Armor than the Male Marines. Common knowledge would tell you all this is true.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

So a female basketball team vs a male basketball team....females would win?
Face it, males dominate every aspect of athleticism, find an athletic world record in which the female's is higher than the male's. I'm not trying to be sexist here but it's the simple fact of the matter. Testosterone vs estrogen does make a difference. Men run faster and are more agile on average, as well as being bulkier and stronger. I see no warrant here to reason why females would be more agile.

Differences aside, I dont think it should make any difference in the model. They should just base the male and female models off of the same "bone" figure so they dont have to have different hitboxes. The real purpose of making a female model is to diversify the looks of the rines (and reach out to a female audience?<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />), not to make the game more complicated.

Wyattx3

There should be no real differences aside from the model and maybe hit box to avoid confusion.


If you wanted it to be realistic, there would be no women.

Italianmagic

Unless a it was a civilian rescue mission... Knights in shining armor going to rescue thier women.

What we do to get fed...

Opprobrious

This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

PsympleJester

<!--quoteo(post=1695584:date=Dec 8 2008, 01:33 PM:name=Nasdero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nasdero @ Dec 8 2008, 01:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695584"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->so heres the first one that would deal game view for boob view ^^<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


Im sorry for this but I just had to...

On a male charicter you now look down, and see your feet! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
On a female charicter you look down and you see <!--coloro:#000000--><span style="color:#000000"><!--/coloro-->BREASTS<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

MaximumGrule

Here is an opinion:
Functional differences of players based on physical attributes of sexuality create game-play imbalance and promote sexism.
This is the opposite of the Unknown Worlds goal of "unite the world through gaming".

Citation of an occurrence of such a system:
Tribes 1. Female armor has a smaller hit box. What do players use, predominantly for that edge? Female characters.

Peace.

battlearmour

needs more vasquez

<img src="http://www.swartzer.com/kadanzer/images/vasquez.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Friendly Gorge

<!--quoteo(post=1695400:date=Dec 6 2008, 04:33 PM:name=Konohas Perverted Hermit)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Konohas Perverted Hermit @ Dec 6 2008, 04:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695400"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Female Marines should be faster but weaker health and armor wise and vice-versa for Male Marines.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't understand why a female marine would have less armor? Does that really make sense? I don't see why they would be sent to battle against space creatures with less armor.

<!--quoteo(post=1697174:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:28 PM:name=Wyattx3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wyattx3 @ Jan 5 2009, 02:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1697174"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you wanted it to be realistic, there would be no women.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

If it was realistic, there would also be Black and Hispanic marines, and a Middle Eastern marine and a Chinese marine. Truth is that it adds diversity to the game, in my opinion it shouldn't make game play any different. Besides, it gives the male marines something to look at while they're reloading <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />.

BadMouth

Personally, I think the hitboxes should be fundamentally the same since you don't really need to be super accurate to bite/swipe/gore. And let's just assume the females that manage to become marines go through enough training and wear enough armour such that their bodies structure would eventually look similar to males.

Assigning different attributes to the different sexes is just a bad idea. Players would generally choose one model over the next, assuming that is allowed in game, for certain attributes. And if UWE wanted to have that, they might as well develop a class system with player models with different attributes. However, the idea for marines is that everyone is equal and every is able to do their part. So I'm really not for it.

And choosing one sex over the other for attributes is just sexist. I know some really hardcore females out there that can kick all you guys asses.