<!--quoteo(post=1751033:date=Feb 5 2010, 06:21 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Psyke @ Feb 5 2010, 06:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751033"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is exactly why most studios never release an alpha. People judge it as if it is the final game, and sometimes the studio loses customers as a result.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't know about that, there's like 2 people grumbling while everyone else is all "OH GOD IM SO EXCITED!!", if anything overhyping it is the bigger risk
<!--quoteo(post=1751039:date=Feb 5 2010, 12:29 PM:name=Stardog)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stardog @ Feb 5 2010, 12:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751039"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Mapping for Doom 3 will show you that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Shadow system in doom 3 is crap by the way. Takes a lot of ressources for nothing much. It was fine for the days but even today I will run the game and add lights and it will lag. Shadow system in a game is one thing that Must be well coded and optimized in order to have good looking shadow while remaining good framerate.
The one in Crytek engine is pretty damn good.
<!--quoteo(post=1751057:date=Feb 5 2010, 01:27 PM:name=Dauntl3ss)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dauntl3ss @ Feb 5 2010, 01:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751057"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->... in the <a href="http://sclegacy.com/editorials/34-general/270-starcraft-evolution" target="_blank"> early stages</a>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, didn't know that starcraft's alpha version used warcraft 2 engine. Fun to see how it looks like an early 90s game.
schkorpioI can mspaintJoin Date: 2003-05-23Member: 16635Members
edited February 2010
<!--quoteo(post=1751028:date=Feb 6 2010, 03:12 AM:name=hotd0g)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hotd0g @ Feb 6 2010, 03:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751028"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is not an opinion? Take a chill pill bro, I'm not spouting, I'm only stating constructive criticism.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats not constructive critisim, you are pointing everything that is obviously not finished or is a place holder - its not even in an alpha stage man.
The game obviously needs a lot of tweaking, but its looking GREAT so far :)
When the marine got into the COMMchair i thought that is a real person because the motion capture was so good!
<!--quoteo(post=1751055:date=Feb 5 2010, 12:19 PM:name=pSyk0mAn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pSyk0mAn @ Feb 5 2010, 12:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751055"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Which isn't necessarily a problem, because noone wants to play a teamgame with idiots. There are way too many in ns1, because it's free.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Idiots weren't in ns1 because it was free, they were in ns1 because it's a game on the internet.
And, unfortunately, idiots also have money -- so UWE isn't just marketing to the non-idiots among us :P
That's really the brilliance of the game's lua interface with ultra-modability, though -- the community can create certain game modes *cough*combat*cough* to keep the idiots busy somewhere so the rest of us can play a more nuanced game :P
<!--quoteo(post=1751063:date=Feb 6 2010, 04:51 AM:name=TrC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TrC @ Feb 6 2010, 04:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751063"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I haven't read the thread.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Obviously.
This is PRE-ALPHA. A massive chunk of the stuff you saw is placeholder. Most everything you saw could change eventually. I don't think marines sprinting is going to stay, and if it is, the animation is going to change completely eventually, seeing as no one would run while shaking their gun like that.
Also, bunny-hopping, for people who haven't played NS, would look screwed up and weird, which could be why they didn't include it in the video, even if it's in the game at all.
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
<!--quoteo(post=1751065:date=Feb 5 2010, 10:54 AM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Align @ Feb 5 2010, 10:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751065"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't know about that, there's like 2 people grumbling while everyone else is all "OH GOD IM SO EXCITED!!", if anything overhyping it is the bigger risk<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You must remember the demographics of these forums as well. Most of us are diehard fans who not only have played NS for years, but also who have a understanding of game development at a higher level than the general public. We are not the people whom my statement was referring to (except for those 2 grumbling ones).
Looks amazing!! I wont be able to sleep now. Keep coming up with new praises.
Really like the structure for the mobile siege in base! And the pistol looks cool too! Well, everything new looks good. Even the size of the com.
Does the marine have some kind of flashlight? I noticed that the resource tower got dark when the marine turned away from the structure towards the end of the video. Well actually now I see it when moving up to armory too.
Went all haxxor on their server.. well not really, only managed to get out this: <a href="http://vserve.giantrealm.com/giantrealm/37046/37046_ModDB_MOTY_09_Players_Choice_-_Indie_Game_of_the_Year_1265274619_hq.mp4?_t=1265275937" target="_blank">http://vserve.giantrealm.com/giantrealm/37...4?_t=1265275937</a> (Now in HQ thanks to Kouji_San).
<!--quoteo(post=1751081:date=Feb 5 2010, 04:40 PM:name=perfectheat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (perfectheat @ Feb 5 2010, 04:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751081"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Looks amazing!! I wont be able to sleep now.
Went all haxxor on their server.. well not really, only managed to get out this: <a href="http://vcdn.giantrealm.com/giantrealm/37046/37046_ModDB_MOTY_09_Players_Choice_-_Indie_Game_of_the_Year_1265274619_lowq.mp4?_t=1265275937&quality=lowquality" target="_blank">http://vcdn.giantrealm.com/giantrealm/3704...lity=lowquality</a>
Maybe there is less than obvious high quality version in there. People with some knowledge might dig out another Moddb.com video in HQ and look at its string.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
:( I got exited for a second, I can't download that video either for some reason. Would somebody please upload it to another place like youtube or soething like that? Maybe gametrailers?
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited February 2010
Is this the <i><b><u>BUS reveal</u></b></i>? I mean, ya could put some wheels on that command console and you've got yourself BUS to drive around the map :P
<!--quoteo(post=1751086:date=Feb 5 2010, 12:51 PM:name=heWantedMeToChangeMyName)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heWantedMeToChangeMyName @ Feb 5 2010, 12:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751086"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And one more thing, is the music heard in your spot on the video an actual composure for NS2? If so, it really fits the mood.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I whole-heartedly agree. That music was really cool, I'd love if it was actually for/from the game!
I've never uploaded a video before - the quality was far better than i'm seeing at the moment on youtube (closer to HD), but it says it's still processing so might pick up in a few minutes :-}
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited February 2010
Hmm the sidestepping skulk animation is pretty cool! I for one am hoping they do remove bunny hopping nonsense and just up the speed again like it was before bunnies took over the world of NS...
<!--quoteo(post=1751008:date=Feb 5 2010, 10:48 AM:name=MikeyTWolf)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeyTWolf @ Feb 5 2010, 10:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751008"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->2) This is specifically the Players Choice awards, not the official awards but eh since: 3) Overgrowth won the official award, but if you look, you can see that NS2 is player's favourite and Official nominee, and vice versa for Overgrowth in 2nd place for players choice, which is awesome because:
4) Unknown Worlds and Wolfire are officially declared by the communities of both Best Friends Forever. :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Waaaait....
Originally the MOTY awards were completely player driven. The Editors' Choice awards were added to help promote diamonds in the rough a few years back since the modding community didn't have time to play them all. They are both very official, it's just a different set of people are selecting who wins.
Originally the MOTY awards were completely player driven. The Editors' Choice awards were added to help promote diamonds in the rough a few years back since the modding community didn't have time to play them all. They are both very official, it's just a different set of people are selecting who wins.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeeeeah, my thoughts exactly. Since when does winning a vote make something the "unofficial" winner? This isn't a presidential election, so the popular vote actually counts for something :P
ModDB lists this info for NS2: <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Platforms PC, X360<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is it because Spark <i>can</i> be made to run on an X360 or is it because it <i>will</i>? shudder.
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First, the parasite model. Is parasite going to be included although you didnt say it would be? I would be very happy if it were.
Is the aiming implimented cause it didnt seem like a bad aim but really difficult and unsmooth?
I saw no infestation is it implimented to the new engine?
Are you still able to see own people through walls as alien for better coordination on team fights? Is map included like in NS1?
Also no bunny hopping, death animations caught my eye.
I don't know about that, there's like 2 people grumbling while everyone else is all "OH GOD IM SO EXCITED!!", if anything overhyping it is the bigger risk
Shadow system in doom 3 is crap by the way. Takes a lot of ressources for nothing much. It was fine for the days but even today I will run the game and add lights and it will lag. Shadow system in a game is one thing that Must be well coded and optimized in order to have good looking shadow while remaining good framerate.
The one in Crytek engine is pretty damn good.
<!--quoteo(post=1751057:date=Feb 5 2010, 01:27 PM:name=Dauntl3ss)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dauntl3ss @ Feb 5 2010, 01:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1751057"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->... in the <a href="http://sclegacy.com/editorials/34-general/270-starcraft-evolution" target="_blank"> early stages</a>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, didn't know that starcraft's alpha version used warcraft 2 engine. Fun to see how it looks like an early 90s game.
Thats not constructive critisim, you are pointing everything that is obviously not finished or is a place holder - its not even in an alpha stage man.
The game obviously needs a lot of tweaking, but its looking GREAT so far :)
When the marine got into the COMMchair i thought that is a real person because the motion capture was so good!
There are way too many in ns1, because it's free.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Idiots weren't in ns1 because it was free, they were in ns1 because it's a game on the internet.
And, unfortunately, idiots also have money -- so UWE isn't just marketing to the non-idiots among us :P
That's really the brilliance of the game's lua interface with ultra-modability, though -- the community can create certain game modes *cough*combat*cough* to keep the idiots busy somewhere so the rest of us can play a more nuanced game :P
Obviously.
This is PRE-ALPHA. A massive chunk of the stuff you saw is placeholder. Most everything you saw could change eventually. I don't think marines sprinting is going to stay, and if it is, the animation is going to change completely eventually, seeing as no one would run while shaking their gun like that.
Also, bunny-hopping, for people who haven't played NS, would look screwed up and weird, which could be why they didn't include it in the video, even if it's in the game at all.
You must remember the demographics of these forums as well. Most of us are diehard fans who not only have played NS for years, but also who have a understanding of game development at a higher level than the general public. We are not the people whom my statement was referring to (except for those 2 grumbling ones).
Really like the structure for the mobile siege in base! And the pistol looks cool too! Well, everything new looks good. Even the size of the com.
Does the marine have some kind of flashlight? I noticed that the resource tower got dark when the marine turned away from the structure towards the end of the video. Well actually now I see it when moving up to armory too.
Went all haxxor on their server.. well not really, only managed to get out this: <a href="http://vserve.giantrealm.com/giantrealm/37046/37046_ModDB_MOTY_09_Players_Choice_-_Indie_Game_of_the_Year_1265274619_hq.mp4?_t=1265275937" target="_blank">http://vserve.giantrealm.com/giantrealm/37...4?_t=1265275937</a> (Now in HQ thanks to Kouji_San).
Went all haxxor on their server.. well not really, only managed to get out this: <a href="http://vcdn.giantrealm.com/giantrealm/37046/37046_ModDB_MOTY_09_Players_Choice_-_Indie_Game_of_the_Year_1265274619_lowq.mp4?_t=1265275937&quality=lowquality" target="_blank">http://vcdn.giantrealm.com/giantrealm/3704...lity=lowquality</a>
Maybe there is less than obvious high quality version in there. People with some knowledge might dig out another Moddb.com video in HQ and look at its string.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
:( I got exited for a second, I can't download that video either for some reason. Would somebody please upload it to another place like youtube or soething like that? Maybe gametrailers?
Congrats for the award, I think you all quite deserve it for all of the work you've done. Especially in these past few months.
And one more thing, is the music heard in your spot on the video an actual composure for NS2? If so, it really fits the mood.
Looks "ok" given the stage it's at :-)
I whole-heartedly agree. That music was really cool, I'd love if it was actually for/from the game!
Folks over at the <BAD> Clan Forums thought I was yanking their chain about this sorta thing lol. With ModDB that is.
It's here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p6i2S_w4gU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p6i2S_w4gU</a>
I've never uploaded a video before - the quality was far better than i'm seeing at the moment on youtube (closer to HD), but it says it's still processing so might pick up in a few minutes :-}
HQ ahoy! 31,5Mb = 1024x576@30fps ;)
You deserve !
3) Overgrowth won the official award, but if you look, you can see that NS2 is player's favourite and Official nominee, and vice versa for Overgrowth in 2nd place for players choice, which is awesome because:
4) Unknown Worlds and Wolfire are officially declared by the communities of both Best Friends Forever. :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Waaaait....
Originally the MOTY awards were completely player driven. The Editors' Choice awards were added to help promote diamonds in the rough a few years back since the modding community didn't have time to play them all. They are both very official, it's just a different set of people are selecting who wins.
Originally the MOTY awards were completely player driven. The Editors' Choice awards were added to help promote diamonds in the rough a few years back since the modding community didn't have time to play them all. They are both very official, it's just a different set of people are selecting who wins.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeeeeah, my thoughts exactly. Since when does winning a vote make something the "unofficial" winner? This isn't a presidential election, so the popular vote actually counts for something :P
HQ ahoy! 31,5Mb = 1024x576@30fps ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href="http://depositfiles.com/files/1ngz58pqx" target="_blank">http://depositfiles.com/files/1ngz58pqx</a>
There's a download link incase anyone's having Quicktime issues.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Platforms PC, X360<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is it because Spark <i>can</i> be made to run on an X360 or is it because it <i>will</i>? shudder.