Fade Model

FilthyLarryFilthyLarry Join Date: 2003-08-31 Member: 20423Members
in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Opinions wanted</div>(I'm going by the Fade reveal as I do not have access to the beta)

In my opinion the Fade looks too bulky, too reptilian and a little cartoonish. I would much prefer to see a more lanky, sinister looking creature with an air of mystery about it e.g. some black smoke obscuring facial features.

Possibly something more mantis-like.

Thoughts ?
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  • ZenoZeno Join Date: 2007-09-05 Member: 62183Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1810599:date=Nov 26 2010, 03:57 AM:name=FilthyLarry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FilthyLarry @ Nov 26 2010, 03:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1810599"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thoughts ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    preorder, get beta, see how the fade really looks.

    /trolling

    Seriously, i think it looks ok. Maybe the eyes could be more like on the original Fade (NS1 artwork, that made me download the mod for the first time)
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  • PaiSandPaiSand Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33487Members
    edited November 2010
    Buy the game and see it.
    The Fade look amazing but you need to see it ingame.
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  • thecowsaysmoothecowsaysmoo Join Date: 2008-02-02 Member: 63557Members
    I have the beta, and I think it looks better in game than the reveal. I also think the model is great, except for the face, the face looks cartoonish and too simplified and definatley not scary.
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  • PistachioPistachio Join Date: 2005-05-26 Member: 52481Members
    Black smoke?
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  • EldonEldon Join Date: 2010-07-15 Member: 72414Members, Constellation
    I too think it looks better in-game than in the reveal.
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  • Donner & BlitzenDonner & Blitzen Join Date: 2010-03-08 Member: 70879Members
    The animations and the general shape of the fade look good, but the face looks silly.
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  • FilthyLarryFilthyLarry Join Date: 2003-08-31 Member: 20423Members
    edited November 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1810629:date=Nov 25 2010, 10:07 PM:name=Pistachio)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pistachio @ Nov 25 2010, 10:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1810629"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Black smoke?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Indeed. It seems that as the fade "fades" it leaves a puff of smoke - not unlike the superhero Nightcrawler for example. Or perhaps it is more accurate to say it becomes smoke-like/incorporeal for a moment. This gave me the idea of leaving a part of its body permanently in a semi-"faded" state for example the face.

    The face seems too well defined - need some mystery there imo.
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  • moku9moku9 Join Date: 2009-11-04 Member: 69265Members
    Looks better in game...MUCH room for improvement.......lets get past the slideshow latency issues and then worry about the bells/whistles and the paint......
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  • BitPonBitPon Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75104Members
    I agree with most of the people here, for some reason the fade looked sort of awkward in the fade reveal. Perhaps its the video-compression or something cause he really looks far more sinister and evil in game.
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  • WarmongerWarmonger Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13126Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1810631:date=Nov 25 2010, 09:18 PM:name=Donner & Blitzen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Donner & Blitzen @ Nov 25 2010, 09:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1810631"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The animations and the general shape of the fade look good, but the face looks silly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed. I think the Fade animations are great and the model is also good, but the front of the face could use some tweaking. I'm thinking it's the bucked teeth that make it look too much like a cartoon character.
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  • Corporal_FortierCorporal_Fortier Join Date: 2005-03-22 Member: 46079Members, Constellation
    I agree with the face perhaps needing some work, but the overall feel of the fade is simply awesome, especially the aforementioned black smoke. So. Sweet.
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  • TrCTrC Join Date: 2008-11-30 Member: 65612Members
    Fade looks like a retarded teddy bear :(
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  • MangoManMangoMan Join Date: 2003-12-28 Member: 24813Members
    Agreed, the face needs a slight update.. looks like a goof ball.
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  • zexzex Join Date: 2009-10-07 Member: 68978Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1810673:date=Nov 26 2010, 06:59 AM:name=BitPon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BitPon @ Nov 26 2010, 06:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1810673"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree with most of the people here, for some reason the fade looked sort of awkward in the fade reveal. <!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><b>Perhaps its the video-compression </b><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->or something cause he really looks far more sinister and evil in game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    LOL
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  • rinerriner Join Date: 2010-01-04 Member: 69881Members
    his face is sad
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  • BitPonBitPon Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75104Members
    @Zex

    Well... the video-compression made the specular and normal maps seem more or less non-existent, giving him sort of a smooth look that didn't seem right. I'm glad I made you lol though.
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  • RulgrokRulgrok Join Date: 2007-04-04 Member: 60559Members
    The fade looks like a big skulk, for that I am sad :(
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  • yourbonesakinyourbonesakin Join Date: 2005-08-06 Member: 57682Members
    edited November 2010
    I like the fade's smaller size. Its hitbox used to be huge. It also looked a LOT like a humanoid alien (something which should be avoided at all costs unless UWE is actually going for an infested human).
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  • Live_FeedLive_Feed Join Date: 2010-07-15 Member: 72419Members
    It looks comical. Anecdotal i know, but some of the people i've shown the beta to thought it looked depressed and possibly a little DURRRRR.
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  • intellixintellix Join Date: 2008-03-24 Member: 63950Members
    I don't think that the video did it any justice really :P Looked a little comical
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  • elmo33elmo33 Join Date: 2009-08-07 Member: 68377Members
    edited November 2010
    From the side his face looks good, but once you look at him at front he looks so sad. :(


    <img src="http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6830/sadfade.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    I agree that his face needs a little work, the upper head plating makes his eyes look sad at front.

    edit: And infact a little derpy.
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  • whoppaXXLwhoppaXXL Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58298Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    The Fade in NS stood way more out then this one. Now he's more like some dumb reptilian than a mysterious shadow killer.
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  • xposed-xposed- Join Date: 2007-09-23 Member: 62412Members, Constellation
    The fade model is the only disappointment I can put forward to Cory, everything else he has designed has been superb.. but the fade looks like it's a few swipes short of a kill. I'm bad at making analogies, to put it simply, I look at the fade and say "hurrrrr" to myself.

    I think it's just the face, the rest seems ok. Except his feet, they seem to clunky for a fast, stealthy type of play mode. Apart from that, the handling and feel is superb. I love the blink animations (apparate/disapparate combined with the purple smoke and particle effects. very cool)
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  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1811529:date=Nov 28 2010, 05:50 PM:name=xposed-)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xposed- @ Nov 28 2010, 05:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1811529"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think it's just the face, the rest seems ok. Except his feet, they seem to clunky for a fast, stealthy type of play mode. Apart from that, the handling and feel is superb. I love the blink animations (apparate/disapparate combined with the purple smoke and particle effects. very cool)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I admit that I'm not completely happy with how the face came out. While I think the side profile of the Fade overall works well, I agree that the front view does not.

    As far as his feet being too clunky, and the fade not being as sleek looking as he was in NS1, those were deliberate choices. Because the fade would use teleporting as his primary means of getting around, we wanted his design and regular movement to look somewhat awkward. From an evolution standpoint, because of blink, he's never really needed to develop the dexterity and coordination, nor the body shape, for fast running, and its the reason he needs to rely on his claws for support.

    When approaching the design of the aliens, we wanted to give them all a defined unique personality, rather then just falling back on trying to make them "scary' or "badass" in the traditional sense.

    --Cory
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  • TriggermanTriggerman Graphic Artist Join Date: 2004-11-10 Member: 32724Members, WC 2013 - Supporter
    *praise*

    If anyone beats down the general design of the Kharaa I'll punch them in the face. They're great, and the work spent on designing them really shows.

    <img src="http://andrige.com/ns2/ns2_formlineup.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    Honestly who can complain on this lineup? The stances, profiles and common theme is great.
    (Okay the Fade-front looks weird admittedly, looks sad when doing the mega-stab instead of awesome)

    *praise ends*
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  • BAshhBAshh Join Date: 2003-08-26 Member: 20222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I love it, period. You're rarely going to get a full-frontal only view anyways, and I don't think it "doesn't" work, and the movement totally helps make it frightening.

    Also, wow, I'm playing with it in model viewer, and the idle7, just all the model manipulation that's happening? The fact that this exists in this engine makes me excited in the pants.
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  • HakujinHakujin Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16157Members, Constellation
    @triggerman - well put!
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  • kingmobkingmob Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3650Members, Constellation
    Overall I like the fade.
    Alot.
    I found him frightening to fight...
    I found it easy to blink.

    Perhaps if his eyes were slanted a bit like the skulks
    he would have more of a vampiric look to satisfy the sad eyes crowd.

    It still is low priority.
    The game has become more playable but the client side animations need to be smoother.
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  • KhazeKhaze Join Date: 2006-12-12 Member: 59031Members
    edited November 2010
    I think it's the frowny brow plate that does it, I think. If you cover it with your hand or scroll down a bit so you can't see it... it doesn't look that bad.

    Gives it a bit of a neanderthal look, you know?
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  • Bobby is going homeBobby is going home Join Date: 2010-04-11 Member: 71323Awaiting Authorization
    edited November 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1811556:date=Nov 28 2010, 09:21 PM:name=Triggerman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Triggerman @ Nov 28 2010, 09:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1811556"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Could anyone redo the picture in NS1 for comparison?
    Would be much appreciated ;)

    PS: Love the alien design too.
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