You can get kicked from servers for the most stupid reasons.
once i got kicked cause i managed to turn around the situation for the aliens, they only had done hive which was heavyily under attack from the marines, which had the best upgrades. I managed to infiltrated both of the other hives, which was heavily built in by the marines, as a gorge and managed to wipe both bases out and build both hives alone.
So when they both hives got online i was kicked by the admin, who of course was playing on the marine team.
Another time when we also managed to turn around the round, from aliens loosing to aliens getting all the resource nodes. Then the admin activated cheats, made himself invurnable and knifed down all our resourcenodes.
Teufel, don't bother, you can't win, or even make them wonder if maybe they might be a little wrong.
The simple fact is, a server is paid for by the admin. They pay for the hardware, the bandwidth, the software. They own it. If they let you play on it, fine, great, thanks. But they are in no way _obligated to do so.
Sadly, people like Fox, think the world owes them. That server admins.owners are obligated to let them play, let them do what they want. And you can't convince them otherwise.
Don't like the server operation? Don't play there. Go play somewhere else. Go complain to the owner of the server. Just don't waste forum space whining about it here.
This isn't Battle.Net, you didn't pay that server owner for the _privilege.
It's funny how much repitition of the same ideas there is in this forum. I think this debate could have ended quite a few posts ago, and yet here I am adding to the redundancy.
Actually, what I was going to say was that this debate is so philosophical for a bunch of guys who like to play video games. Who said video games rot the brain? Just one read of this discussion would prove that theory wrong.
That is nothing...... gather round all, and let me share a wonderful story......
I was playing on the "Omnicron Squadron" server, at least I THINK thats what it's name was, and there were 3 members from the clan in the game, naturally, they were playing marines, and when I joined, picked random, I was put on the marines. Now, we were on Tanith, and the commander and the clan said they had this "tactic"..... it consisted of moving the base to a more confined place, wasting TONS of resources, and going to a place where you can be easily attacked..... smart eh? Now, that wasn't bad, it gets oh, so much worse. We were holding out okay, but ofcourse, this clan spends no time trying to prevent the aliens from growing, so soon enough, they have Onos'....... lerks are shooting spores into the little base, and it's little enough that 2 spores could fill it up completely. So, I get dropped to 16 health, ask the commander for health and what do I get? "Screw you, you're too demanding!" over the voice comm, wow, what a nice lady. Of course, when one of her buddies asks for a jetpack and GL so he can rush out and get himself killed again, which the clan members have done repeatedly. Well, soon enough, onos' rush our base, and quickly, before they lose, they change the map.
(just remebered, this is a listen serv, not dedicated!) So, next map, I go aliens, and I inform them about their "tactics" and crappy teamwork, in teamsay, and of course, the one who started the server says "Hey! don't badmouth Shay!" (that's the lady commander). So, in normal say I say "So you are listening on teamsay, eh?" and he says "no!" Well, game gets underway, later, I prove that he is listening in, by saying "Hey, are you listening in on teamsay?" IN TEAMSAY and he replies "No..." and then of course I reply "That was in teamsay idiot!" booted to console, "Kicked by whatever the guys name was". I reconnect, and we are still winning, we have them down to just one stupid little base. Over the time we are playing, I get kicked once again for telling my team I'm harassing them, because the admin guy said I was being "a snotty **obscenity**" or something like that, and I use harassing frequently, as in keep on running into their base and attacking them, keeping them from expanding. We win that round, and have another, I am kicked AGAIN for telling my team mates I was harassing them, and just before we win that round, the guy says "Sorry guys, shutting down server, gotta go, food, bye" And shuts down.
Since natural selection is so processor intensive I upgraded the slower of my to servers to an athalon xp from a pentium 3. Price for the board, chip, 512 megs of ddr ram, new power supply = $453.27.
Total price I have spent on servers in the last four years since I started hosting games : roughly $4500
Total price of bandwidth I have spent in the last four years since I started hosting games : Exactly $14,559.
Up untill this year my games were hosted on a home sdsl line. To whoever said it costs nothing extra to host a GOOD server you were incorrect. I did not need a $299 a month 1.1 mbp sdsl line for my home use. I needed the upstream to host the games. I did need the upstream to allow 20 person servers to run with bandwidth to spare. My new arrangement has dropped two boxes at a business which has a full t1 line. It is more costly than the typical rented server or rented banwidth, but I have access to the boxes any time I want to. I also share a full business grade t1 line with them which allows even lower latency than an sdsl line due to qos routing.
I build, maintain, BACKUP, restore, troubleshoot 2 extra boxes that are away from my home now. In my spare time. My time is worth according to the open market around 40 dollars an hour. If I were to include my time in the running of game servers I would have to easily add over 1000 hours to the estimate ($40,000.)
I have often gotten emails at 2am saying the server is not running what is up. I find the problem fix it and then go back to bed. What I do is a labor of love. I found early on that playing on a good server was difficult due to the lack of quality servers running. (at that time is was q1tf for me) I decided to give myself, my firends and the public the chance to play on a good (read expensive) server. It worked out wonderfully people have followed my server from game to game and ip to ip when I had to move it.
That being said. I have rules that must be followed to ensure everyone gets the best experience my money can buy them. I will kick people for breaking them after a warning. I will ban repeat offenders. I reserve the right to make my servers fun for people. Teamkillers (ff is ON on cs and always will be) Building t-kers in ns etc will be banned. To the people that are at the brunt of my and my admin's wrath, we are **obscenity**. Tough. We police the servers for the greater good. There is a web site with forums we have put up...add about $3000 in donated time for the web site if you are still counting the costs... On the forum there is a DISTINCT method of appealing bannings and asking questions. There are RULES posted to be followed there also. While we play the games hosted, we DO NOT FEEL THE NEED to educate the people who didn't bother to take the time to go to the web site and read what they needed to know. Being asked for the 35000th time why they can't have porn sprays or why they can't make fun of whatever ethnic group they dislike this week is annoying to the people who are playing. RTFM! We will usually respond : Go to the website everything you ask is posted there.
I am 32 years old all but one of the admins are in their late 20's one is 18 and seems fair in his judgement. We are not children. We are well educated and faiminded. Playing on my servers is not a right. It is open to the public to play on. If you and your team beats me, I will tell you good job and then try to kill you again. If my team wins I say good game and then try to kill you again. If you are playing within the rules of te game you will never be kicked because you are winning or kill me 250 times in one match. I host to play the games not be god. The only additional admining I need to do on ns right now since admin and meta do not work as yet on w32, is I must balance the teams manually sometimes. I warn the team with 2 or more players to please balance the teams and I give 30 seconds for someone to join the other team. Then I have to kick people to balance it. Unfortunately on a 14 person server 8 vs 6 is too big an advantage. Once admin and meta are working I will have admin mod switch people to other teams to balance it. Until then the admins must do it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Playing on my servers is not a right<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If no one played on your server you wouldn’t have it, everyone has the right to play on a server that’s what their there for; you lose that right to play when you are a jackass.
No one plays on the dod server and I still have it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> No one plays on the t2 server and I still have it too <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The other thing is it is not a right. You have the abbility to play on my server unless it is taken away due to some transgression.
and im sure your not PAYING for them, no one will spend money on a server that gets no use.. well I guess if you just have money coming out of your **obscenity** you will
If an admin kicks you, its probably for a good reason, and if it's not, don't play on the server. I know there have been times were i have kicked people off of gridlock because a few people wanted to play, but i would never kick people who play there regularly. However, if you don't warn them, then it's quite rude.
Strictly speaking they cost very little because they are on boxes with other games also runing. The dod server is on the web server most of the traffic for it was taken up by the web server not the actual game. T2 is also there but no one has played in ages. Still his point was not if it cost me, but that if no one played it wouldn't be there. I keep wishing for t2 to come back...and wishing and wishing.. And as a matter of fact I make a very good living and have disposable income to spend every month on the servers. Some day I may have to pull the plug on the t2 server...someday....
Hehe, I believe in the anarchy system. What goes around comes around.
If an admin feels the need to be a jerk and boot me for no reason other than I'm beating his team, or I kill him too much, then I reserve the right to be a jerk and bomb his server til it crashes.
"But that's wrong!"
He doesn't care about the fun I have on his server, I don't care about the fun he has on his own server.
There is nothing that says i'm obligated to let ANYONE on my server. I let them play on my server as i would let some play in my front yard. If i don't let thier attitude, thier clothes, or any reasons what so ever, i can kick them for what ever reason to want to!!! I don't need some 15yr olds telling my what to do on my server it is mine and if you don't like my rules you can go cry about it (wanted to put something else there).
I'm about to go buy a XP 2000+, is some little lamer going to donate the money? i didn't think so. I pay for it out of pocket, hence, making it my server whether or not it is accessable by the public or not. This isn't some damn socialist economy. I paid for the thing and it's mine. Regardless of what you llama's think i "should be doing" with my admin rights.
I try to be fair and cordual on my server, but some ppl just need to be kicked/baned because when they are causing problems, that is my only alturnative considering i can't use retrobution plugins yet. Otherwise, i've just bury them.
Some of you are right in saying that alot of admins are compansating for their lack of freedom, but here is the best way to avoid a llama server, Filter > Dedicated servers only. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> that way you don't get the lame listen servers with crappy admins. Now, some ded servers have crappy admins. Probably just some rich little boy with nothing else to do. Also a simple solutions. Make your own damn server and show the world that you are right, or just go find another server out of the 400+ that are up 24/7. Surely you can find another server within your ping range.
If this is so much of a problem then you could always start a community list of servers who have known nasty admins. If one of you doesn't feel it is worth your while to setup a website, update it and try and keep lamers who lose on these server from getting that server listed then you are probably capable of avoiding servers that have idiots for admins.
<!--QuoteBegin--xioutlawix+Nov 16 2002, 11:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xioutlawix @ Nov 16 2002, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hehe, I believe in the anarchy system. What goes around comes around.
If an admin feels the need to be a jerk and boot me for no reason other than I'm beating his team, or I kill him too much, then I reserve the right to be a jerk and bomb his server til it crashes.
"But that's wrong!"
He doesn't care about the fun I have on his server, I don't care about the fun he has on his own server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> it shouldn't be about revenge. If the admin doesn't like you, go else were. Although i'd never kick/ban someone for killing me too much. But seeking revenge on a lame admin isn't right, not to mention very illegal. as i said, there are PLENTY of server out there......go find another one.
<!--QuoteBegin--cracker jackmac+Nov 16 2002, 11:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cracker jackmac @ Nov 16 2002, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--xioutlawix+Nov 16 2002, 11:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xioutlawix @ Nov 16 2002, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hehe, I believe in the anarchy system. What goes around comes around.
If an admin feels the need to be a jerk and boot me for no reason other than I'm beating his team, or I kill him too much, then I reserve the right to be a jerk and bomb his server til it crashes.
"But that's wrong!"
He doesn't care about the fun I have on his server, I don't care about the fun he has on his own server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> it shouldn't be about revenge. If the admin doesn't like you, go else were. Although i'd never kick/ban someone for killing me too much. But seeking revenge on a lame admin isn't right, not to mention very illegal. as i said, there are PLENTY of server out there......go find another one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hehe,
Maybe it isn't right. I personally don't go into the moral complexities of debating right vs. wrong, fair vs. unfair. But if I feel I've been wronged against, by some paltry pathetic little admin, then I will cause him grief the way he has caused me mine. Its a simple philosphy, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and do unto others as they have done to you. Besides, I like to think that maybe after giving an admin's server a good thrashing, he'll be a bit more cordial to others in the future <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
xioutlawix that is like if you cut me off in traffic ,but sence no one cares sence this is the anarchy system, i can shoot out your tires just for revenge.
Wow, everyone just get a server and ban each other, Im ditching my 52 panhead chopper and starting a server so I can Ban the Banneres, heheh sorry JK, mmm Molson Ice how i love thee.
Back to the original post, see if you can reconnect. It may have been a temporary ban of a few minutes just to guarantee that the admin could get in. Maybe he kicked you the first time and you rejoined before he could so he temped banned you to join before you did. They should probably make it more clear if they go that route but at least it isn't heinous. It does suck however when they kick the commander =|.
An admin can techincally do whatever they want obviously. Should they? No, being an admin doesn't give anybody a right to be a jerk. Can you do anything about it? Not really.
Should the admin start whining to the world because he doesn't recognize any of the people on his server and it is full of NSPlayers who spend all their time spamming the goatsex website? Nope, but you get the last laugh when he does <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->.
Assuming it was for something else, sorry, but only thing you can do is go somewhere else and let everybody else know what happened to you. There's lists of llama players for admins to ban and there should be lists of llama servers for players to shun. If a server op wants to complain about that, be my guest. If you have the right to do whatever you want, then we have the right to let everyone know that and make up their minds.
<!--QuoteBegin--MooMoo the SnowCow+Nov 16 2002, 01:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MooMoo the SnowCow @ Nov 16 2002, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->xioutlawix that is like if you cut me off in traffic ,but sence no one cares sence this is the anarchy system, i can shoot out your tires just for revenge.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I guess I better not cut you off like an @$$ then <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
im co-leader for eternity and have only ever banned 1 person. a myg0t. the only explanation i can offer you right now is that it could have been during a recruiting time when we were trying out people....other than that, there are probably 10 people with admin access. if you give me your name and wonid ill look into it further. sorry poo.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lt.Warhound+Nov 16 2002, 06:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt.Warhound @ Nov 16 2002, 06:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Teufel, don't bother, you can't win, or even make them wonder if maybe they might be a little wrong.
The simple fact is, a server is paid for by the admin. They pay for the hardware, the bandwidth, the software. They own it. If they let you play on it, fine, great, thanks. But they are in no way _obligated to do so.
Sadly, people like Fox, think the world owes them. That server admins.owners are obligated to let them play, let them do what they want. And you can't convince them otherwise.
Don't like the server operation? Don't play there. Go play somewhere else. Go complain to the owner of the server. Just don't waste forum space whining about it here.
This isn't Battle.Net, you didn't pay that server owner for the _privilege.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Okay. One more post then Ill shut up. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--FoxFlame+Nov 16 2002, 05:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FoxFlame @ Nov 16 2002, 05:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Teufel Eldritch+Nov 16 2002, 07:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teufel Eldritch @ Nov 16 2002, 07:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gee I wonder why that is?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Because people like you support them?
Of course they *can* do it, that doesn't mean they should. I can log onto an NS server and blow up the CC as a marine, that doesn't make that right either. Playing the game isn't a right, joining a server isn't either, and neither is admining! Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean they have the right to do it.
It's nettiquite. It's respect. It's just straight out not being a complete and total jackass and having the maturity to interact with the players without having to abuse the power that you have at your disposal. Maybe if someone actually started removing servers from a list of servers "Approved non-moron", people would administrate a little better. I'd add the admin's WONID to a blacklist of community-wide player bans too.
--Fox<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I know what you mean. It is not "right" to be a jerkwad admin, but that still does not mean that admins do not have the right to do with thier server what they wish. Unless you help pay for the server you, the player have absolutely no say in what the server admin does or does not do. I agree there are a lot of jackass admins out there but if they pay for the server they can be a jackass all they want. Just as I have the right not to play there.
A list? Sure make one. Be productive. Sitting here telling me and admins that you can do what you want, when you want on thier servers however is foolish. Instead use your power that you as a players holds. Thats right, vote with your feet. Dont play there. By not playing on a server with a jerkwad admin your are showing your true power. Make a list....hell Ill even contribute to the list. I dont like bad admins anymore than the next guy, but that doesnt mean they do not have the right to be a jerkwad. Its a free world.
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once i got kicked cause i managed to turn around the situation for the aliens, they only had done hive which was heavyily under attack from the marines, which had the best upgrades. I managed to infiltrated both of the other hives, which was heavily built in by the marines, as a gorge and managed to wipe both bases out and build both hives alone.
So when they both hives got online i was kicked by the admin, who of course was playing on the marine team.
Another time when we also managed to turn around the round, from aliens loosing to aliens getting all the resource nodes. Then the admin activated cheats, made himself invurnable and knifed down all our resourcenodes.
People can be so childish at times.
The simple fact is, a server is paid for by the admin. They pay for the hardware, the bandwidth, the software. They own it. If they let you play on it, fine, great, thanks. But they are in no way _obligated to do so.
Sadly, people like Fox, think the world owes them. That server admins.owners are obligated to let them play, let them do what they want. And you can't convince them otherwise.
Don't like the server operation? Don't play there. Go play somewhere else. Go complain to the owner of the server. Just don't waste forum space whining about it here.
This isn't Battle.Net, you didn't pay that server owner for the _privilege.
Actually, what I was going to say was that this debate is so philosophical for a bunch of guys who like to play video games. Who said video games rot the brain? Just one read of this discussion would prove that theory wrong.
--t.toe
I was playing on the "Omnicron Squadron" server, at least I THINK thats what it's name was, and there were 3 members from the clan in the game, naturally, they were playing marines, and when I joined, picked random, I was put on the marines. Now, we were on Tanith, and the commander and the clan said they had this "tactic"..... it consisted of moving the base to a more confined place, wasting TONS of resources, and going to a place where you can be easily attacked..... smart eh? Now, that wasn't bad, it gets oh, so much worse. We were holding out okay, but ofcourse, this clan spends no time trying to prevent the aliens from growing, so soon enough, they have Onos'....... lerks are shooting spores into the little base, and it's little enough that 2 spores could fill it up completely. So, I get dropped to 16 health, ask the commander for health and what do I get? "Screw you, you're too demanding!" over the voice comm, wow, what a nice lady. Of course, when one of her buddies asks for a jetpack and GL so he can rush out and get himself killed again, which the clan members have done repeatedly. Well, soon enough, onos' rush our base, and quickly, before they lose, they change the map.
(just remebered, this is a listen serv, not dedicated!) So, next map, I go aliens, and I inform them about their "tactics" and crappy teamwork, in teamsay, and of course, the one who started the server says "Hey! don't badmouth Shay!" (that's the lady commander). So, in normal say I say "So you are listening on teamsay, eh?" and he says "no!" Well, game gets underway, later, I prove that he is listening in, by saying "Hey, are you listening in on teamsay?" IN TEAMSAY and he replies "No..." and then of course I reply "That was in teamsay idiot!" booted to console, "Kicked by whatever the guys name was". I reconnect, and we are still winning, we have them down to just one stupid little base. Over the time we are playing, I get kicked once again for telling my team I'm harassing them, because the admin guy said I was being "a snotty **obscenity**" or something like that, and I use harassing frequently, as in keep on running into their base and attacking them, keeping them from expanding. We win that round, and have another, I am kicked AGAIN for telling my team mates I was harassing them, and just before we win that round, the guy says "Sorry guys, shutting down server, gotta go, food, bye" And shuts down.
Good clan eh?
Schedule games with friends far in advance so it won't be interrupted and no-one has to leave, and lock it so no-one joins. Best way to play, imo.
Dod traffic 14 players (6.32 gbytes * 6.17) = $42.35
Counter-strike 20 players (14.37 gbytes * 6.17) = $ 88.66
Natural-selection 14 players (11.04 gbytes * 6.17) = $68.12
Server upkeep
Since natural selection is so processor intensive I upgraded the slower of my to servers to an athalon xp from a pentium 3. Price for the board, chip, 512 megs of ddr ram, new power supply = $453.27.
Total price I have spent on servers in the last four years since I started hosting games : roughly $4500
Total price of bandwidth I have spent in the last four years since I started hosting games : Exactly $14,559.
Up untill this year my games were hosted on a home sdsl line. To whoever said it costs nothing extra to host a GOOD server you were incorrect. I did not need a $299 a month 1.1 mbp sdsl line for my home use. I needed the upstream to host the games. I did need the upstream to allow 20 person servers to run with bandwidth to spare. My new arrangement has dropped two boxes at a business which has a full t1 line. It is more costly than the typical rented server or rented banwidth, but I have access to the boxes any time I want to. I also share a full business grade t1 line with them which allows even lower latency than an sdsl line due to qos routing.
I build, maintain, BACKUP, restore, troubleshoot 2 extra boxes that are away from my home now. In my spare time. My time is worth according to the open market around 40 dollars an hour. If I were to include my time in the running of game servers I would have to easily add over 1000 hours to the estimate ($40,000.)
I have often gotten emails at 2am saying the server is not running what is up. I find the problem fix it and then go back to bed. What I do is a labor of love. I found early on that playing on a good server was difficult due to the lack of quality servers running. (at that time is was q1tf for me) I decided to give myself, my firends and the public the chance to play on a good (read expensive) server. It worked out wonderfully people have followed my server from game to game and ip to ip when I had to move it.
That being said. I have rules that must be followed to ensure everyone gets the best experience my money can buy them. I will kick people for breaking them after a warning. I will ban repeat offenders. I reserve the right to make my servers fun for people. Teamkillers (ff is ON on cs and always will be) Building t-kers in ns etc will be banned. To the people that are at the brunt of my and my admin's wrath, we are **obscenity**. Tough. We police the servers for the greater good. There is a web site with forums we have put up...add about $3000 in donated time for the web site if you are still counting the costs... On the forum there is a DISTINCT method of appealing bannings and asking questions. There are RULES posted to be followed there also. While we play the games hosted, we DO NOT FEEL THE NEED to educate the people who didn't bother to take the time to go to the web site and read what they needed to know. Being asked for the 35000th time why they can't have porn sprays or why they can't make fun of whatever ethnic group they dislike this week is annoying to the people who are playing. RTFM! We will usually respond : Go to the website everything you ask is posted there.
I am 32 years old all but one of the admins are in their late 20's one is 18 and seems fair in his judgement. We are not children. We are well educated and faiminded. Playing on my servers is not a right. It is open to the public to play on. If you and your team beats me, I will tell you good job and then try to kill you again. If my team wins I say good game and then try to kill you again. If you are playing within the rules of te game you will never be kicked because you are winning or kill me 250 times in one match. I host to play the games not be god. The only additional admining I need to do on ns right now since admin and meta do not work as yet on w32, is I must balance the teams manually sometimes. I warn the team with 2 or more players to please balance the teams and I give 30 seconds for someone to join the other team. Then I have to kick people to balance it. Unfortunately on a 14 person server 8 vs 6 is too big an advantage. Once admin and meta are working I will have admin mod switch people to other teams to balance it. Until then the admins must do it.
Dexion
If no one played on your server you wouldn’t have it, everyone has the right to play on a server that’s what their there for; you lose that right to play when you are a jackass.
No one plays on the dod server and I still have it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
No one plays on the t2 server and I still have it too <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The other thing is it is not a right. You have the abbility to play on my server unless it is taken away due to some transgression.
What goes around comes around.
If an admin feels the need to be a jerk and boot me for no reason other than I'm beating his team, or I kill him too much, then I reserve the right to be a jerk and bomb his server til it crashes.
"But that's wrong!"
He doesn't care about the fun I have on his server, I don't care about the fun he has on his own server.
I'm about to go buy a XP 2000+, is some little lamer going to donate the money? i didn't think so. I pay for it out of pocket, hence, making it my server whether or not it is accessable by the public or not. This isn't some damn socialist economy. I paid for the thing and it's mine. Regardless of what you llama's think i "should be doing" with my admin rights.
I try to be fair and cordual on my server, but some ppl just need to be kicked/baned because when they are causing problems, that is my only alturnative considering i can't use retrobution plugins yet. Otherwise, i've just bury them.
Some of you are right in saying that alot of admins are compansating for their lack of freedom, but here is the best way to avoid a llama server, Filter > Dedicated servers only. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> that way you don't get the lame listen servers with crappy admins. Now, some ded servers have crappy admins. Probably just some rich little boy with nothing else to do. Also a simple solutions. Make your own damn server and show the world that you are right, or just go find another server out of the 400+ that are up 24/7. Surely you can find another server within your ping range.
What goes around comes around.
If an admin feels the need to be a jerk and boot me for no reason other than I'm beating his team, or I kill him too much, then I reserve the right to be a jerk and bomb his server til it crashes.
"But that's wrong!"
He doesn't care about the fun I have on his server, I don't care about the fun he has on his own server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it shouldn't be about revenge. If the admin doesn't like you, go else were. Although i'd never kick/ban someone for killing me too much. But seeking revenge on a lame admin isn't right, not to mention very illegal. as i said, there are PLENTY of server out there......go find another one.
What goes around comes around.
If an admin feels the need to be a jerk and boot me for no reason other than I'm beating his team, or I kill him too much, then I reserve the right to be a jerk and bomb his server til it crashes.
"But that's wrong!"
He doesn't care about the fun I have on his server, I don't care about the fun he has on his own server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it shouldn't be about revenge. If the admin doesn't like you, go else were. Although i'd never kick/ban someone for killing me too much. But seeking revenge on a lame admin isn't right, not to mention very illegal. as i said, there are PLENTY of server out there......go find another one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hehe,
Maybe it isn't right.
I personally don't go into the moral complexities of debating right vs. wrong, fair vs. unfair.
But if I feel I've been wronged against, by some paltry pathetic little admin, then I will cause him grief the way he has caused me mine. Its a simple philosphy, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and do unto others as they have done to you.
Besides, I like to think that maybe after giving an admin's server a good thrashing, he'll be a bit more cordial to others in the future <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
An admin can techincally do whatever they want obviously.
Should they? No, being an admin doesn't give anybody a right to be a jerk.
Can you do anything about it? Not really.
Should the admin start whining to the world because he doesn't recognize any of the people on his server and it is full of NSPlayers who spend all their time spamming the goatsex website? Nope, but you get the last laugh when he does <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->.
Assuming it was for something else, sorry, but only thing you can do is go somewhere else and let everybody else know what happened to you. There's lists of llama players for admins to ban and there should be lists of llama servers for players to shun. If a server op wants to complain about that, be my guest. If you have the right to do whatever you want, then we have the right to let everyone know that and make up their minds.
If: "Hey guys some of you might get dropped, our guys want in! Try to reconnect if you can in 5 mins"
This would have made a world of dfiference.
I guess I better not cut you off like an @$$ then <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
but i do give a fair warning nevertheless
The simple fact is, a server is paid for by the admin. They pay for the hardware, the bandwidth, the software. They own it. If they let you play on it, fine, great, thanks. But they are in no way _obligated to do so.
Sadly, people like Fox, think the world owes them. That server admins.owners are obligated to let them play, let them do what they want. And you can't convince them otherwise.
Don't like the server operation? Don't play there. Go play somewhere else. Go complain to the owner of the server. Just don't waste forum space whining about it here.
This isn't Battle.Net, you didn't pay that server owner for the _privilege.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay. One more post then Ill shut up. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Because people like you support them?
Of course they *can* do it, that doesn't mean they should. I can log onto an NS server and blow up the CC as a marine, that doesn't make that right either. Playing the game isn't a right, joining a server isn't either, and neither is admining! Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean they have the right to do it.
It's nettiquite. It's respect. It's just straight out not being a complete and total jackass and having the maturity to interact with the players without having to abuse the power that you have at your disposal. Maybe if someone actually started removing servers from a list of servers "Approved non-moron", people would administrate a little better. I'd add the admin's WONID to a blacklist of community-wide player bans too.
--Fox<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know what you mean. It is not "right" to be a jerkwad admin, but that still does not mean that admins do not have the right to do with thier server what they wish. Unless you help pay for the server you, the player have absolutely no say in what the server admin does or does not do. I agree there are a lot of jackass admins out there but if they pay for the server they can be a jackass all they want. Just as I have the right not to play there.
A list? Sure make one. Be productive. Sitting here telling me and admins that you can do what you want, when you want on thier servers however is foolish. Instead use your power that you as a players holds. Thats right, vote with your feet. Dont play there. By not playing on a server with a jerkwad admin your are showing your true power. Make a list....hell Ill even contribute to the list. I dont like bad admins anymore than the next guy, but that doesnt mean they do not have the right to be a jerkwad. Its a free world.
DON'T PLAY ON THAT SERVER
Why would you want to play with jerks anyway? Just move on to one of the other bazillion public servers.