First Negative NS Experience
danada
Join Date: 2009-12-09 Member: 69551Members
Join Date: 2009-12-09 Member: 69551Members
I've played NS1 for years, have put in good time with NS2, and today I came across my first negative experience.
There have been some negative views on towards newcomers, some of which I've shared (people complaining about the game, wanting a refund, etc), but tonight my views towards them kind of changed.
I'm an OK Marine com, but tonight I was Alien com for the first time. I understand how things work, but I was a bit slow with finding where things were in the interface, and having some trouble with cyst placement (stairs and ramps). Things were going well, I had a few RTs, regen, cara, then someone said to drop the hive. I built a drifter, but before it was finished I was told to "Get the fu-- out" and then was kick/banned from the server.
This all happened very quickly, and to someone who commed because nobody else did.
<b>New comms beware.</b> It's better to sit back and lose a match quickly than it is to at least give it a try.
There have been some negative views on towards newcomers, some of which I've shared (people complaining about the game, wanting a refund, etc), but tonight my views towards them kind of changed.
I'm an OK Marine com, but tonight I was Alien com for the first time. I understand how things work, but I was a bit slow with finding where things were in the interface, and having some trouble with cyst placement (stairs and ramps). Things were going well, I had a few RTs, regen, cara, then someone said to drop the hive. I built a drifter, but before it was finished I was told to "Get the fu-- out" and then was kick/banned from the server.
This all happened very quickly, and to someone who commed because nobody else did.
<b>New comms beware.</b> It's better to sit back and lose a match quickly than it is to at least give it a try.
Comments
1) did not whip rush marine base (I did and they ARC'd it)
2) did not magically recycle my whips because they were lagging the server
3) did not get out of the comm chair/hive and singlehandedly win the game.
They claimed I was "raging" because I explained that if they did not win the game soon, the server would crash (which it did and half the alien team was gone).
I'm not "raging" because we did not win. It's because if you have every resouce tower and hive on the map for over 1 hour and you cannot end the game then something is going wrong. The team most often will look to the commander for blame, even when commander is fine or damn good at it.
People are really dumb. People on the internet are dumber than that. Sorry you had to find this out today.
My advice is just keep trying and find some team that has adults that actually ACT like adults and let you learn.
Sometimes people can get pretty implatient with newb/slow comms. Would recommend creating a local game with cheats 1 on and familiarizing yourself with tech trees / keybinds / interface w/e before hopping into a chair in a full pub. But then again it could have just been a terrible server with a MADmin.
All-in #1. All-in noobs was full, All-in #1 had 5 players when I joined, it was 3v3 so I decided I'd comm.
<!--quoteo(post=1926225:date=Apr 17 2012, 12:54 AM:name=Techercizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Techercizer @ Apr 17 2012, 12:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1926225"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->These sound more like server issues than game ones. If you're getting kicked by an admin, talk to the server owners or look for somewhere with more tolerant admins. If your team doesn't appreciate your contribution, then, well, welcome to pubs =P. Not much you can do about ungrateful teammates except mute or f4.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Although I agree there's nothing the <i>game</i> itself can do about this, I just have been feeling a negative slide recently towards new players, and even old players trying new roles.
My advice is just keep trying and find some team that has adults that actually ACT like adults and let you learn.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
+1
I have experienced this myself on Lerk More| US where I congratulated someone on my team for a 15-1 K/D ratio in which I was banned soon after. :/ Now I just try to connect to a server Master Blaster is on because he doesn't put up with these idiots garbage. :)
Sounds pretty unreasonable. Small games are terrible anyway, great way to learn to comm... don't see why someone would kick you.
This wasn't a callout thread, but the question was asked. Normally I'd just carry on and find a new place to play, but when there are only 3-4 active servers available, most of which are full, it's hard.
I just wish people were nicer to newer players (:
<!--quoteo(post=1926232:date=Apr 17 2012, 12:01 AM:name=danada)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danada @ Apr 17 2012, 12:01 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1926232"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This wasn't a callout thread, but the question was asked. Normally I'd just carry on and find a new place to play, but when there are only 3-4 active servers available, most of which are full, it's hard.
I just wish people were nicer to newer players (:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nothing wrong with answering questions. It'd have been better if people just hadn't focused on which server it was in the first place, though.
yeah that game was annoying on several, several fronts. worst of all being the fact that the server rate was so slow that bilebomb wouldn't fire/didn't do any damage.
My memory has more holes in it than the literary device I had prepared for this remark. What is and is not fun isn't relevant here; if you have a beef with someone, take it up in private over a PM. My pub games end the second I see my desktop, and I see no reason to carry past grievances around with me.
By all means, remember games and people you didn't enjoy so you can change your decisions of who and where to play accordingly, but don't let it take over civil discussions on the forums. I know we're have it in us to let those things go for the sake of discussions, or at least put them aside; I've seen it done to many times not to be convinced.
The original point of this thread was that a negative NS2 experience was had. I recommend either confronting (privately) or avoiding the source of the problem.
Regardless, you should learn how to comm on an empty server. Or or your own server. Create game > open up console> type cheats 1 > learn the basics. Then go play.
Solution? Don't play on their servers. If they (and I'm not saying they did... obviously I don't know the whole story) are really going to ban people for not knowing how to play, screw 'em. Get on another server and tell your friends the same. The communities full of jackasses will die and that'll be that. Granted it's kind of hard right now because with it still being beta there aren't a ton of games to choose from, but that'll change more and more.
Personally, I don't comm because I'm terrified of that reaction (plus I'm crap at strategy and thinking.... and... stuff....). But all it takes is ONE nice person on a server to help you out (communicate to your team that you'll need help since you're learning, most of the time they won't rip your head off) to make your beginning comm experiences 1000x better.
One sign of this is that the competitive community is primarily made up of people 20 and older. I don't actually know of any teens in the scene.
Also, I'd say the vast majority of this community rocks. This is no MOBA game where your team hates you more than the enemy, and constantly tells you so (thank goodness).
There have been some negative views on towards newcomers, some of which I've shared (people complaining about the game, wanting a refund, etc), but tonight my views towards them kind of changed.
I'm an OK Marine com, but tonight I was Alien com for the first time. I understand how things work, but I was a bit slow with finding where things were in the interface, and having some trouble with cyst placement (stairs and ramps). Things were going well, I had a few RTs, regen, cara, then someone said to drop the hive. I built a drifter, but before it was finished I was told to "Get the fu-- out" and then was kick/banned from the server.
This all happened very quickly, and to someone who commed because nobody else did.
<b>New comms beware.</b> It's better to sit back and lose a match quickly than it is to at least give it a try.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL this is not at all what I heard happened.
The issue is not related to inexperienced commanders only. I have background in playing as commander in competitive teams in NS and NS2 and wouldn't consider myself an inexperienced commander. Still commanding in public games disgusts me because there are often people who focus on flaming the commander instead of actually playing the game.
Last night i jumped to a public server and decided to comm one round as marines. We did pretty well holding 4 RTs on Tram and destroying 3-4 alien RTs. I went for armor 2 and Shotguns to counter to impending fades. At this point I started receive inflammatory voice comm feedback that about the decision of going to armor 2. I tried to reason him with the fact that fades now need 3 hits to kill you. He wasn't convinced because the enemy didn't still have any fades and they can kill with one hit with the second weapon. Too bad they didn't have second hive coming up either. Anyways the discussion got heated and i just told him to shut up and focus on the game.
After that I built and ARC train of 8 ARCs or so and tried to kill their only hive. The ARC rush failed because the aliens managed to get one skillful fade up who owned all the people defending the ARCs. I decided to go to the hive with the ARCs anyway because they could not have come back to base safely anymore. Because the enemy had high number of skulks they were able to take down the ARCs fast.
Simultaneously couple of other players killed the 2nd hive the aliens just built up with the help of nano shield and medpacks by me.
After this i decided to go for another ARC rush with about 6 ARCs. I tried to group my team up and follow the ARCs. It was impossible at this state of the game because the flame war in our team had destroyed all the teamwork we ever had. The ARCs were escorted by about 3 players that were easily taken down by the aliens. Thus ARCs were lost in vain again.
After this point i got flamed again for not knowing how to use ARCs and distress beacon and got ejected out of the CC.
It feels that comm has no authority in NS2 because your players are not really dependent on you like they were in NS.
Actually i'm not sure if it's the community, the game or just me. But commanding in public is often a disgusting experience.
One thing i can recommend is we had a "Noobs learn here server" my goal for that server is for new people to play and learn, no kicks and bans will happen due to bad skills. The other server are for people that have more understanding.
Thanks.
All-In | JuCCi
Don't give up just yet, just keep jumping in that comm chair, tell your marines to be patient with you because you're new (most will then try to help you and give advice) and I'm sure you're going to end up having a blast as a comm.
I am not going to play comm again in NS2 either. I'm not a great comm, but I'm not new to comming either, my gather record as alien comm was 8 wins and 2 losses, which isn't bad, and yet on pubs, when the alien team lacks teamwork and the ability to carry out the basic elements of the game, they will not accept responsibility and pass the blame. I can't be bothered with the hassle anymore.
I have no idea how this problem can be solved, or even mitigated. I do however feel NS2 is going to lose a lot of potentially brilliant comms due to this kind of reaction. I was never potentially brilliant, only potentially average, so I'm not a big loss, but how many big losses could there be? Hurting NS2 in general and the comp/organised scenes even harder.
I am not going to play comm again in NS2 either. I'm not a great comm, but I'm not new to comming either, my gather record as alien comm was 8 wins and 2 losses, which isn't bad, and yet on pubs, when the alien team lacks teamwork and the ability to carry out the basic elements of the game, they will not accept responsibility and pass the blame. I can't be bothered with the hassle anymore.
I have no idea how this problem can be solved, or even mitigated. I do however feel NS2 is going to lose a lot of potentially brilliant comms due to this kind of reaction. I was never potentially brilliant, only potentially average, so I'm not a big loss, but how many big losses could there be? Hurting NS2 in general and the comp/organised scenes even harder.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
After our original commander crashed out of the game, we were about to lose. I jumped in the command hive, and for getting 4 hives and all resource towers on the map and maintaining them for<i><b> over 1 hour</b></i>, I was called a "******* retard" several times for saying that the team should end the game or server would crash. No, I did not call anyone a "noob" until after this comment was made towards me. I was quite polite in fact.
I will still comm probably but yea, certain 12 year olds need to have their keyboards and mics taken away.
EDIT: I want to add that All-In has great servers and I like the players there. For example, Jucci and I have had disagreements about my commanding but nothing to what the OP is suggesting. It was all very polite and cordial, and we get along just fine. So this might be just an accident because as far as I have seen All-In is very receptive and are generally good people.
The best thing you can do as an experienced commander who knows how to command is to be diplomatic and politely and calmly explain the situation to the team. If they still call you a "******* retard" then they're just ruining Natural Selection and stopping people from buying the game.
In effect, THEY ARE HURTING SALES.
I've gotten requests for jetpacks/flamethrowers 3 minutes into the game with 1 resource tower. I think they were actually serious.
"If we had grenade launchers it would be easy to build our first resource tower."