Onos is getting ridiculous
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Join Date: 2012-03-17 Member: 148908Banned
Join Date: 2012-03-17 Member: 148908Banned
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Marines hold whole map, except aliens have 3 harvesters.
Then about 10 minutes into the game 3 onos kill one base.
then 3 more onos kill another base.
The marines rebuild, but onos kill base anyway.
<u><b>What is the point of building up a base if ALL MARINE STRUCTURES can be turned off by killing ONE power node?</b></u>
There is no incentive to attack individual structures like arms lab or Advanced armory if onos just does that.
Also onos stomp is ridiculous it kills observatories, arcs, phase gates.
And don't tell me I have to spend 45 resources on powerpacks for ips and obs, thats just dumb.
<u><b>Don't get me wrong though, if you're an alien, onos is PERFECT!!!</b></u>
Marines hold whole map, except aliens have 3 harvesters.
Then about 10 minutes into the game 3 onos kill one base.
then 3 more onos kill another base.
The marines rebuild, but onos kill base anyway.
<u><b>What is the point of building up a base if ALL MARINE STRUCTURES can be turned off by killing ONE power node?</b></u>
There is no incentive to attack individual structures like arms lab or Advanced armory if onos just does that.
Also onos stomp is ridiculous it kills observatories, arcs, phase gates.
And don't tell me I have to spend 45 resources on powerpacks for ips and obs, thats just dumb.
<u><b>Don't get me wrong though, if you're an alien, onos is PERFECT!!!</b></u>
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As for powernodes, just have IPs not effected by loss of power since CC isn't.
Then, with those changes above you'd have enough time/resources to build a power pack for an obs to beacon should you be that paranoid/slow to beacon, as 15 to 28 seconds is already a lot of time ontop of having respawning marines. All imho
P.s I know its not obvious/feedback needs improvement, but as a commander you should ALWAYS keep 50 energy aside for beacon... So who wouldn't beacon for an onos in their base??
As for powernodes, just have IPs not effected by loss of power since CC isn't.
Then, with those changes above you'd have enough time/resources to build a power pack for an obs to beacon should you be that paranoid/slow to beacon, as 15 to 28 seconds is already a lot of time ontop of having respawning marines. All imho<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are absolutely right that we should wait for exosuit and minigun or whatever it is going to be. But they are getting onos 10 minutes into game off of 3 harvesters I think.
And the stomp is RIDICULOUS!!
<u>Adjust the time it takes to kill a powernode vs killing marine structures</u>
- For example, if it took 60s to kill a powernode and only 50s to kill 5 marine structures, for any room with <6 marine structures you'd target the structures instead of the powernode. You can achieve this by either increasing the time it takes to kill the powernode or decreasing the time it takes to kill marine structures
<u>Split the powernode function into multiple mini-powernodes</u>
- For example, instead of having one powernode providing 100% of a room's power, you could split it into 4 powernodes each providing 25% of a room's power. That way, the time to disable a full rooms power would be greatly increased, making targeting individual, critical structures more important. <100% powered rooms could then have an effect on marine structures by either disabling a percentage of them (i.e. a room with 75% power could only power 75% of structures) or giving an across-the-board reduction in functionality (think slower spawning, less resource output, longer tech research time, less structure energy regen, etc).
Why not make CCs provide power to a room whenever built? No one likes the power node = win game play/association, especially when its a) cheap b) power nodes are meant to represent territory lines.
Consider how your base is already powered unlike every other area. All that would change is the end game would be grander. (ofc lerk spores need to either a) protect it's underbelly or b) be more effective/easier at disabling turrets. since theres no power node to disable turret farms)
Would bring back the incentive for tech points being captured again too! Would encourage forward posts to "evolve" into an established base, too.
It's pretty obvious that power nodes need reworking, not that the entire rest of the game has to be squished to fit into the setting they create
Alien buildings "work" when they're not connected to infestation (with the exception of unrooted whips), and I don't see anyone justifying the difference in <i><b>less than </b></i>20,000 words spread over 4 posts.
<u>Adjust the time it takes to kill a powernode vs killing marine structures</u>
- For example, if it took 60s to kill a powernode and only 50s to kill 5 marine structures, for any room with <6 marine structures you'd target the structures instead of the powernode. You can achieve this by either increasing the time it takes to kill the powernode or decreasing the time it takes to kill marine structures
<u>Split the powernode function into multiple mini-powernodes</u>
- For example, instead of having one powernode providing 100% of a room's power, you could split it into 4 powernodes each providing 25% of a room's power. That way, the time to disable a full rooms power would be greatly increased, making targeting individual, critical structures more important. <100% powered rooms could then have an effect on marine structures by either disabling a percentage of them (i.e. a room with 75% power could only power 75% of structures) or giving an across-the-board reduction in functionality (think slower spawning, less resource output, longer tech research time, less structure energy regen, etc).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you suggesting that marines have to build 4 powernodes per room?
No thanks
And it really is an issue with the onos.
Allow CC to power targeted structures in the same room at the cost of it's own power pool.
This is just getting way too convoluted and complicated at this point.
<u><b>How about for starters, don't place powernodes in the most vulnerable spot possible????</b></u>
Seriously all the marine base power nodes are just way out in the open.
<u><b>How about for starters, don't place powernodes in the most vulnerable spot possible????</b></u>
Seriously all the marine base power nodes are just way out in the open.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is more of a map, than a mechanic problem.
Like the power pack you click on CC energy button like nano shield and click on a building and you see a blue line connect to a building when power goes out that building will use CC energy till it's gone or powers restored.
I think UWE should ignore the COD kiddies that can't see past their own personal experienced in a game. Just my personal opinion though.
I think UWE should ignore the COD kiddies that can't see past their own personal experienced in a game. Just my personal opinion though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe you should be banned for trolling nearly every thread you post on. Just my personal opinion though.
Marines hold whole map, except aliens have 3 harvesters.
Then about 10 minutes into the game 3 onos kill one base.
then 3 more onos kill another base.
The marines rebuild, but onos kill base anyway.
<u><b>What is the point of building up a base if ALL MARINE STRUCTURES can be turned off by killing ONE power node?</b></u>
There is no incentive to attack individual structures like arms lab or Advanced armory if onos just does that.
Also onos stomp is ridiculous it kills observatories, arcs, phase gates.
And don't tell me I have to spend 45 resources on powerpacks for ips and obs, thats just dumb.
<u><b>Don't get me wrong though, if you're an alien, onos is PERFECT!!!</b></u><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe the point is for there not to be a perpetual stalemate with Marines turtleing up.
Having said that, the current build seems way more balanced than the previous one with probably a slight edge given to Marines.
IMHO, in this current build, Jetpacks seem to be the marine trump card... and yet they consistently seem to be one of the last things researched.
Now perhaps its just me, but commanders don't seem to adjust tactics too well... they kinda have their favorite strategy and stick to it with a zealot's fervor.
This is all pug experience though
I think UWE should ignore the COD kiddies that can't see past their own personal experienced in a game. Just my personal opinion though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is trolling forums acceptable now?
1/10 terrible effort
You need to blame Obama more if you're going to troll like THAT
And YES THAT WOULD BE MORE UNBALANCED THAN ONOS.
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Having said that, the current build seems way more balanced than the previous one with probably a slight edge given to Marines.
IMHO, in this current build, Jetpacks seem to be the marine trump card... and yet they consistently seem to be one of the last things researched.
Now perhaps its just me, but commanders don't seem to adjust tactics too well... they kinda have their favorite strategy and stick to it with a zealot's fervor.
This is all pug experience though<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've had summit locked down with 2 IPs, 1 advanced armory, 1 arms lab, 1 turret factory, 2 observatories maximum turrets, all the weapons, phase gates in BOTH Data Core and Flight Control. In other words, I had 4 IPs, 2 AAs, 2 arms labs, 4 observatories etc. Aliens had 3 resource towers the whole map. Thus, I had two FULL bases in both hives, while aliens had sub access. THis means we had 6 resource towers, they had 3 (which we killed and they rebuilt over and over).
3 onos took out flight control even after beaconing. We killed all of them when they attacked data core, and we rebuilt flight control. Then 3 more onos appeared and ended the game the same way -- hit power node.
The BEST PART was that I put power packs on the observatories and IPs in data core and it didn't help because onos cannot be killed with stomp.
I'm not saying Onos is ridiculous because we lost a game like that, but I'm saying its ridiculous because we lost a game like that.
Especially since the alien team said afterwards that "we didn't even plan to rush at the same time."
Considering the amount of detail that went into explaining the scenario, yes you are.
If you want to argue balance, it needs to be done from a purely theoretical point of view. Practical evidence is always biased and therefore inadmissible. Though the practical evidence will usually alert you to the existence of theoretical evidence.
Or is this forum a joke?
Or is this forum a joke?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Revise your own posts and ask that question again. If you didn't know, you come off highly abrasive and self entitled. It makes it difficult to remain civil.
This made me smile.
In playtests it's similar to what this thread is. Yet it's hard for others to understand how to utilize the influence they have on this game through a productive manner. For example: the bile bomb is weak as hell right now. I provided feedback and examples from last Sunday's matches along with a proposal on changes that were made to my own game client and tested against numerous structures and situations. Those changes went in shortly after it was read.
So in short: You have the tools to test values and make your own proposals. It would be more efficient to put effort into a write up about changing something is bad rather than typing out a complaint.
In playtests it's similar to what this thread is. Yet it's hard for others to understand how to utilize the influence they have on this game through a productive manner. For example: the bile bomb is weak as hell right now. I provided feedback and examples from last Sunday's matches along with a proposal on changes that were made to my own game client and tested against numerous structures and situations. Those changes went in shortly after it was read.
So in short: You have the tools to test values and make your own proposals. It would be more efficient to put effort into a write up about changing something is bad rather than typing out a complaint.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And how much do I get paid to playtest and do all of this??????
I'm playing the game on pubs. I see how it plays out in the everyday use of this game -- not in a closed group of 16 regular players who all know each other. I make a post about it.
I would say thats good use of the forum. If I am wrong about this I'll gladly stop.
As for powernodes, just have IPs not effected by loss of power since CC isn't.
Then, with those changes above you'd have enough time/resources to build a power pack for an obs to beacon should you be that paranoid/slow to beacon, as 15 to 28 seconds is already a lot of time ontop of having respawning marines. All imho
P.s I know its not obvious/feedback needs improvement, but as a commander you should ALWAYS keep 50 energy aside for beacon... So who wouldn't beacon for an onos in their base??<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh I beaconed -- didn't help.
Thats why I made this post -- We did everything right including Jetpacks and to no avail. I've commanded hundreds maybe even a thousand games in NS2.
And my team was competent and coordinated. It still was amazing.
It was a fun game but it highlights the problem.
If you want to argue balance, it needs to be done from a purely theoretical point of view. Practical evidence is always biased and therefore inadmissible. Though the practical evidence will usually alert you to the existence of theoretical evidence.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be fair there needs to be some practical evidence. Pure theoretical evidence is why people are running around the forums like headless chickens screaming about 8 minutes Onos, when in reality it's double that in most games.
I'm playing the game on pubs. I see how it plays out in the everyday use of this game -- not in a closed group of 16 regular players who all know each other. I make a post about it.
I would say thats good use of the forum. If I am wrong about this I'll gladly stop.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
0, just like us. I can also tell you that sabahell does value changing on her own time (maybe with a buddy), especially with those latest lerk values. You can see problems, you can point them out, but give some thoughts on what could be improved, suggest new values, all that jazz, rather than being a pure rager :).
2 things:
1) You just seriously responded to that post. Which was not only a troll but rambling gibberish.
2) How can headless chickens scream?
Having given up all hope on every lifeform between Skulk and Onos, I can say that it's slightly amusing how the Onos is creating these impromptu rush scenarios due to taking out the power node. Not exactly the same, but a lot of the time I can just walk into Marine Start once or twice, take out the power node after 30 seconds, and have my team follow-up with a rush right then and there. I like how it's creating new opportunities to end games.
What I don't like is the cloaking device that UWE installed on the Onos, because it's enabling Onos to waltz through Marine Start, chew on the power node for 30 seconds, and walk away at full HP. I mean if you're going to let the Onos be completely invisible, at least remove their communications scrambling device. It's hard enough for Marines to notice an invisible Onos, let alone deal with the inability to use their comms.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I'm unsure as to why stomp was made into a passive ability. Everytime I'm in Marine Start as an Onos every Marine I see just curls up in the fetal position and starts rocking back and forth. I think it would be more balanced if this passive was changed back into an active ability and Marines were actually able to shoot at me.