<!--quoteo(post=1966072:date=Aug 23 2012, 07:13 AM:name=Price)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Price @ Aug 23 2012, 07:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966072"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>I don't see a problem, hydras are the most useless weapon in ns2 beta right now.</b> I see marines bypass them like if there cysts, no damage (did they have a big delay?). So people who are complaining or crying here are just angry/jealous the hydras are free, i mean as marine i NEVER EVER had a problem with hydras, only if i am marine with a jetpack and try to rush a hive, but 2 seconds later, the hydras are dead because of 1 nade... And spamming hydras is impossible too, building cost energy, growing cost energy, you have to heal perm. to build them up. Every alien player who im talking to, aggree that hydras are useless in ns2 right now, also you have to stay gorge to keep them alive.
I did a short<u><b> video</b></u> to proof how useless hydras are... <a href="http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7005/rsxofiodvrepgfllbuitsu.mp4" target="_blank">http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7005/rsxo...pgfllbuitsu.mp4</a> so you see, if you sneak behind a wall, they don't hit you...the only thing hydras do is delay the marines speed for 2-3 seconds...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Awesome vid, now you need to make another video showing how long it takes a Gorge to build those Hydras off infestation. While you're at it, do one with a Gorge face-hugging a Hive while they build it up. Or how about a couple showing how long it takes a Gorge to block a wall, and how quickly a Marine gets through it.
Gorge is broke - but it seems no one cares - and that's likely how it will stay 'til after release.
Price, in your post you say 2-3 second, while it actually took you roughly 12 seconds. I don't think that is a small diffirence...
second, I think this is very important, you were killing 'newborn' hydras. if a gorge puts up hydras for area denial near their own hive, or extractor, chances are that they'll be mature when you encounter them.
mature hydras are thougher, and way easier for a gorge to hold up with healspray when they're under attack.
third and last, what a terrible place for a gorge to put up hydras, they're not even near an RT, if they are put near an RT, chances are a skulk will help you out are much bigger.
in the right hands, a gorge is one of the most usefull members of it's team.
How little damage he is taking is what is shocking in that vid. The hydras pose him no real threat. He can always fall back, run past, etc.
Only time hydras become a threat is when marines want to take down a cog wall, so stay in one place for a long period of time. Surely its not too much to ask, to give hydras high accuracy again? Make them accurate enough to shoot down jps.
<!--quoteo(post=1966102:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:29 PM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Aug 23 2012, 02:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966102"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How little damage he is taking is what is shocking in that vid. The hydras pose him no real threat. He can always fall back, run past, etc.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats the problem and most times, they don't hit you a single time. Last time my team and me had very big trouble to defend a hive, even with 6 hydras on ceilings. no marine died about the hydras, was so frustrating, feels like they dont even get hit.
<!--quoteo(post=1966096:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:21 PM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Aug 23 2012, 02:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966096"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Price, in your post you say 2-3 second, while it actually took you roughly 12 seconds. I don't think that is a small diffirence...
second, I think this is very important, you were killing 'newborn' hydras. if a gorge puts up hydras for area denial near their own hive, or extractor, chances are that they'll be mature when you encounter them.
mature hydras are thougher, and way easier for a gorge to hold up with healspray when they're under attack.
third and last, what a terrible place for a gorge to put up hydras, they're not even near an RT, if they are put near an RT, chances are a skulk will help you out are much bigger.
in the right hands, a gorge is one of the most usefull members of it's team.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. i said "marines" not marine ;), second it took about (not exactly, not 100%...) 7.5 seconds to kill three hydra at weapon level 0 and just one marine. I never could heal and hold up hydras with healspray even if there mature he can NOT heal them fast enough to keep them alive while marines shoot. Maybe if one marine shoot, but not if more then 1. third the place...uhm yeah, do you know it was just to demonstrate that hydras CAN NOT hit you if you sneak behind a wall. But its funny you said "what a terrible place" but on the other side you said just "hold up with healspray" you know, you can't reach well placed hydras on ceilings and stuff very good? Try look at the video again, you will see, they don't hit me if im in the right place. And again its a demonstration how bad hydras are. Damn, i have no time, but later i will add more what i want to say :P PLUS i will record a public video, how bad are hydras are.
by a 'terrible place' I mean that I would have placed them a lot closer into computer lab (where the RT is), allthough tactics are always debatable ;)
I'll agree that hydras need to track moving players a bit better, only slightly of course or else they will become OP.
and second, why should two marines not be able to take down one gorge with hydras?
if one gorge would hold up vs 2 marines, then 3 gorges in a 6vs6 leaves 3 skulks to massacre the marine team completely. obviously this is not what we want.
last but not least, I'm sure UWE is re-working hydra's, Cory mentioned are allready testing them to make them cost pres. if they cost pres, I'd assume they'll also get a little stronger.
So your complaining that an AI unit you can rebuild for free cant kill a marine 1v1?... Hydras obviously are weakest when left alone and completely ignored by the alien team.. id like to see you try rushing and killing a gorge by his three hydras solo and winning.. You ended up wasting almost all your ammo to kill 4 hydras, and if a skulk had come out while you were doing that you would be dead. The goal of the hydra shouldnt be to kill every marine that gets near it in one shot.. You either waste the time and ammo to kill it like you did, or you run past where you will take damage, probably more than you took in the entire video.
This video proves absolutely nothing about the usefulness of hydras, its one marine killing undefended hydras.. they should die easily.
<!--quoteo(post=1966104:date=Aug 23 2012, 08:31 AM:name=Price)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Price @ Aug 23 2012, 08:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966104"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Damn, i have no time, but later i will add more what i want to say :P PLUS i will record a public video, how bad are hydras are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope you're not referring to my post - I was agreeing with you in a sarcastic and snarky tone, not truly asking you to make more vids showing Gorge faults. What did you use to make your videos anyway?
<!--quoteo(post=1966114:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966114"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->and second, why should two marines not be able to take down one gorge with hydras?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> What? i don't say anything like that... But its just wrong that 3 hydras can't kill a marine, only if he running in front of them. You see in the video, they don't hit me realy after 6 hydras, i got still 76HP and i would have 100hp but i want demonstrate how bad they hit.
<!--quoteo(post=1966114:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966114"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->if one gorge would hold up vs 2 marines, then 3 gorges in a 6vs6 leaves 3 skulks to massacre the marine team completely. obviously this is not what we want.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> that happend always in Ns1...but you miss something, like the most ignorant player. Marines got Flamethrower, grenade launcher and ARCS(!) to kill the alien stuff in a sec... so i don't know if you forget how ns1 was or you never played it, but in Ns1 the gorge always build defence with offensive and defensive chambers... They block whole rooms so marines had to build sieges or use grenade launchers. Well, WE want better hydras...
<!--quoteo(post=1966114:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966114"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->last but not least, I'm sure UWE is re-working hydra's, Cory mentioned are allready testing them to make them cost pres. if they cost pres, I'd assume they'll also get a little stronger.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, even the dev's think they are not right, so why you think its wrong? It is a defence structure, not to keep one single marine...it should work like in ns1, allow the aliens to defend a area until marines get better tech. <b>Thats the goal of most strategic games, using some tech to beat something other...</b> like if a onos beat heavy armor in ns1...
<!--quoteo(post=1966118:date=Aug 23 2012, 03:09 PM:name=xDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xDragon @ Aug 23 2012, 03:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966118"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So your complaining that an AI unit you can rebuild for free cant kill a marine 1v1?... Hydras obviously are weakest when left alone and completely ignored by the alien team.. id like to see you try rushing and killing a gorge by his three hydras solo and winning..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't complain, hydras are just useless, most people know, except the forum trolls and there are a lot of them (oh, im just waiting for the next joke from a troll) "wasting almost all your ammo"? what? wasting ammo to kill enemys? nope...you have 5x 50 bullets, 1 hydra needs about (not 100% sure, could be +-5...) 40 bullets. and ammo is free! a gorge cost 10 res, so why would a player waste his res and his whole playerrole to a lifeform which can only heal and is useless for defence? Thats the big problem and alien player know it, just the forum user who mostly play marines don't know it. i have a discussion on diffrent servers and most people aggree that hydras are useless at the moment.
<!--quoteo(post=1966118:date=Aug 23 2012, 03:09 PM:name=xDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xDragon @ Aug 23 2012, 03:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966118"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The goal of the hydra shouldnt be to kill every marine that gets near it in one shot..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Boy, nobody said that... but 3 hydras should do more damage to one marine then just ~25HP damage in one minute...or at least, they don't do any damage if you sneak behind a wall. And the wiki of ns2 said "The Hydra is the descendant of the Offensive Chamber" maybe you never played Ns1, but the offensive chamber's was a good defence, not just cannon fodder.
<!--quoteo(post=1966243:date=Aug 23 2012, 10:57 PM:name=botchiball)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (botchiball @ Aug 23 2012, 10:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966243"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I hope you're not referring to my post - I was agreeing with you in a sarcastic and snarky tone, not truly asking you to make more vids showing Gorge faults. What did you use to make your videos anyway?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> i don't know if you are just totaly immature or you just trolling. obvious i don't quote you in any way or call your "nick". but the last sentence prove me, you are both.
<!--quoteo(post=1966457:date=Aug 24 2012, 02:33 PM:name=Price)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Price @ Aug 24 2012, 02:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966457"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i don't know if you are just totaly immature or you just trolling. obvious i don't quote you in any way or call your "nick". but the last sentence prove me, you are both.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't being immature or trolling. I was making sure you knew I wasn't actually asking you to make more videos. Next I asked what program you used to record the video because I was thinking of making my own. Please excuse my stupidity, but I honestly don't know what you used. Is there some incredibly obviously way to record your screen? In the past I've used FRAPS and CamStudio, but both have been annoying to use and with various quality of results.
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I see marines bypass them like if there cysts, no damage (did they have a big delay?).
So people who are complaining or crying here are just angry/jealous the hydras are free, i mean as marine i NEVER EVER had a problem with hydras, only if i am marine with a jetpack and try to rush a hive, but 2 seconds later, the hydras are dead because of 1 nade...
And spamming hydras is impossible too, building cost energy, growing cost energy, you have to heal perm. to build them up.
Every alien player who im talking to, aggree that hydras are useless in ns2 right now, also you have to stay gorge to keep them alive.
I did a short<u><b> video</b></u> to proof how useless hydras are...
<a href="http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7005/rsxofiodvrepgfllbuitsu.mp4" target="_blank">http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7005/rsxo...pgfllbuitsu.mp4</a>
so you see, if you sneak behind a wall, they don't hit you...the only thing hydras do is delay the marines speed for 2-3 seconds...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Awesome vid, now you need to make another video showing how long it takes a Gorge to build those Hydras off infestation. While you're at it, do one with a Gorge face-hugging a Hive while they build it up. Or how about a couple showing how long it takes a Gorge to block a wall, and how quickly a Marine gets through it.
Gorge is broke - but it seems no one cares - and that's likely how it will stay 'til after release.
second, I think this is very important, you were killing 'newborn' hydras. if a gorge puts up hydras for area denial near their own hive, or extractor, chances are that they'll be mature when you encounter them.
mature hydras are thougher, and way easier for a gorge to hold up with healspray when they're under attack.
third and last, what a terrible place for a gorge to put up hydras, they're not even near an RT, if they are put near an RT, chances are a skulk will help you out are much bigger.
in the right hands, a gorge is one of the most usefull members of it's team.
Only time hydras become a threat is when marines want to take down a cog wall, so stay in one place for a long period of time. Surely its not too much to ask, to give hydras high accuracy again? Make them accurate enough to shoot down jps.
Thats the problem and most times, they don't hit you a single time.
Last time my team and me had very big trouble to defend a hive, even with 6 hydras on ceilings.
no marine died about the hydras, was so frustrating, feels like they dont even get hit.
<!--quoteo(post=1966096:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:21 PM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Aug 23 2012, 02:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966096"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Price, in your post you say 2-3 second, while it actually took you roughly 12 seconds. I don't think that is a small diffirence...
second, I think this is very important, you were killing 'newborn' hydras. if a gorge puts up hydras for area denial near their own hive, or extractor, chances are that they'll be mature when you encounter them.
mature hydras are thougher, and way easier for a gorge to hold up with healspray when they're under attack.
third and last, what a terrible place for a gorge to put up hydras, they're not even near an RT, if they are put near an RT, chances are a skulk will help you out are much bigger.
in the right hands, a gorge is one of the most usefull members of it's team.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. i said "marines" not marine ;), second it took about (not exactly, not 100%...) 7.5 seconds to kill three hydra at weapon level 0 and just one marine.
I never could heal and hold up hydras with healspray even if there mature he can NOT heal them fast enough to keep them alive while marines shoot.
Maybe if one marine shoot, but not if more then 1.
third the place...uhm yeah, do you know it was just to demonstrate that hydras CAN NOT hit you if you sneak behind a wall.
But its funny you said "what a terrible place" but on the other side you said just "hold up with healspray" you know, you can't reach well placed hydras on ceilings and stuff very good?
Try look at the video again, you will see, they don't hit me if im in the right place.
And again its a demonstration how bad hydras are.
Damn, i have no time, but later i will add more what i want to say :P
PLUS i will record a public video, how bad are hydras are.
I'll agree that hydras need to track moving players a bit better, only slightly of course or else they will become OP.
and second, why should two marines not be able to take down one gorge with hydras?
if one gorge would hold up vs 2 marines, then 3 gorges in a 6vs6 leaves 3 skulks to massacre the marine team completely. obviously this is not what we want.
last but not least, I'm sure UWE is re-working hydra's, Cory mentioned are allready testing them to make them cost pres. if they cost pres, I'd assume they'll also get a little stronger.
This video proves absolutely nothing about the usefulness of hydras, its one marine killing undefended hydras.. they should die easily.
PLUS i will record a public video, how bad are hydras are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope you're not referring to my post - I was agreeing with you in a sarcastic and snarky tone, not truly asking you to make more vids showing Gorge faults. What did you use to make your videos anyway?
What? i don't say anything like that...
But its just wrong that 3 hydras can't kill a marine, only if he running in front of them.
You see in the video, they don't hit me realy after 6 hydras, i got still 76HP and i would have 100hp but i want demonstrate how bad they hit.
<!--quoteo(post=1966114:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966114"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->if one gorge would hold up vs 2 marines, then 3 gorges in a 6vs6 leaves 3 skulks to massacre the marine team completely. obviously this is not what we want.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that happend always in Ns1...but you miss something, like the most ignorant player.
Marines got Flamethrower, grenade launcher and ARCS(!) to kill the alien stuff in a sec...
so i don't know if you forget how ns1 was or you never played it, but in Ns1 the gorge always build defence with offensive and defensive chambers...
They block whole rooms so marines had to build sieges or use grenade launchers.
Well, WE want better hydras...
<!--quoteo(post=1966114:date=Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Aug 23 2012, 02:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966114"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->last but not least, I'm sure UWE is re-working hydra's, Cory mentioned are allready testing them to make them cost pres. if they cost pres, I'd assume they'll also get a little stronger.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See, even the dev's think they are not right, so why you think its wrong?
It is a defence structure, not to keep one single marine...it should work like in ns1, allow the aliens to defend a area until marines get better tech.
<b>Thats the goal of most strategic games, using some tech to beat something other...</b>
like if a onos beat heavy armor in ns1...
<!--quoteo(post=1966118:date=Aug 23 2012, 03:09 PM:name=xDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xDragon @ Aug 23 2012, 03:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966118"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So your complaining that an AI unit you can rebuild for free cant kill a marine 1v1?... Hydras obviously are weakest when left alone and completely ignored by the alien team.. id like to see you try rushing and killing a gorge by his three hydras solo and winning..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't complain, hydras are just useless, most people know, except the forum trolls and there are a lot of them (oh, im just waiting for the next joke from a troll)
"wasting almost all your ammo"? what? wasting ammo to kill enemys? nope...you have 5x 50 bullets, 1 hydra needs about (not 100% sure, could be +-5...) 40 bullets.
and ammo is free! a gorge cost 10 res, so why would a player waste his res and his whole playerrole to a lifeform which can only heal and is useless for defence?
Thats the big problem and alien player know it, just the forum user who mostly play marines don't know it.
i have a discussion on diffrent servers and most people aggree that hydras are useless at the moment.
<!--quoteo(post=1966118:date=Aug 23 2012, 03:09 PM:name=xDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xDragon @ Aug 23 2012, 03:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966118"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The goal of the hydra shouldnt be to kill every marine that gets near it in one shot..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boy, nobody said that...
but 3 hydras should do more damage to one marine then just ~25HP damage in one minute...or at least, they don't do any damage if you sneak behind a wall.
And the wiki of ns2 said "The Hydra is the descendant of the Offensive Chamber" maybe you never played Ns1, but the offensive chamber's was a good defence, not just cannon fodder.
<!--quoteo(post=1966243:date=Aug 23 2012, 10:57 PM:name=botchiball)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (botchiball @ Aug 23 2012, 10:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1966243"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I hope you're not referring to my post - I was agreeing with you in a sarcastic and snarky tone, not truly asking you to make more vids showing Gorge faults. What did you use to make your videos anyway?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i don't know if you are just totaly immature or you just trolling.
obvious i don't quote you in any way or call your "nick".
but the last sentence prove me, you are both.
obvious i don't quote you in any way or call your "nick".
but the last sentence prove me, you are both.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't being immature or trolling. I was making sure you knew I wasn't actually asking you to make more videos. Next I asked what program you used to record the video because I was thinking of making my own. Please excuse my stupidity, but I honestly don't know what you used. Is there some incredibly obviously way to record your screen? In the past I've used FRAPS and CamStudio, but both have been annoying to use and with various quality of results.