Go on server, type status in console, look for your name, wonid is in there.
Once i ban you, dont be asking for a unban.
Also, If SOOOOO Many people HATE my plugin, why is my server constantly full? And... i get 3-4 emails a day asking about how they could get my mod. (Lucky for you i dont distribute it. YET)
Criticism can't hurt you. I think it's cool that someone's trying unique things with their server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oki heres the deal NS TEAM ... IF 50 % of the game servers run a mod like this i will stop playing youre game... IF YOU DANM ADMINS LIKE KILLING THE Comunity then go ahead JUST MAKE A MOD FOR NS SO WE DONT HAVE TO SORT YOUR SERVERS OUT OF THE SERVER LIST.... Compleatly my opinion
LONG LIVE ONLY WHAT THE NS TEAM MAKES...... all your wanna be NS makers go make your own MOD instead of stealing the NS scource code and killing the game play....
What wont a newbie think if he comes it to a unbalanced server like yours..... he will STOP playíng NS because he thinks its lame...... all because of your plugins..... THE ONLY NEED TO PLAY THE REAL THING......
All respekt to the NS team... Sorry if i write a litte evil <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Like Nvidea sayes "The Way it Was ment to be played"
Dont forget voogru, the dev team has the right to not allow you to cange their code and their mod to whatever you want to do. I have no problem with whatever plugin it is that is causing all this mess but i suggest that before you start "distributing" the plugin you ask the dev team if you're allowed to.
I certainly like my NS the way it is, and frankly, i dont think it will get boring anytime soon.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dont forget voogru, the dev team has the right to not allow you to cange their code and their mod to whatever you want to do. I have no problem with whatever plugin it is that is causing all this mess but i suggest that before you start "distributing" the plugin you ask the dev team if you're allowed to.
I certainly like my NS the way it is, and frankly, i dont think it will get boring anytime soon. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im not touching thier code.
I dont have thier code, therefore i cant touch thier code now can i?
Thats the same as having to get permission from VALVe to distribute a mod that you made. If they did that then people wouldnt be able to run adminmod/metamod or anything that "hooks" onto the server-side DLL.
Although I may be in the minority, I like the addtions. The health for the armory works well. It isn't too much too fast as it takes a while at 2 health per cycle to get your health back. It isn't unballanced as the few games I played there the aliens were winning about 80% of the time (due in part to marine commanders learning the game). I was quite happy with the mods that Voogru put in.
Changing the mod they worked so hard to put together for us isnt really the best way of telling them what a great job they have done. So, yes, before you change their mod, by whatever means you are using, ask them first. If they like it, i dont mind, but otherwise, i wouldnt like seeing this kind of plugin spread around the community. Soon, we will have other plugins... which may not be so, erm, harmless as you seem to state.
What is a cheat? Anything that provides an unfair advantage to a player or group of players that was not intended to be in the game/mod and specifically put there by the dev team for that purpose. This plugin seems to fit this definition quite well actually, since it provides advantages for the marines, but no disadvatages to them and no other new abilities for the aliens etc.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> btw, dont worry about ever coming in my server again. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NS is a great mod, i originally intended it to be a replacement adminmod since it didnt work with NS. Then i got a idea just to try a few things. a majority of my players seem to like it on My server, My rules. so in my server, having the armory dispense health is NOT a cheat.
Actually, I like what you've done with your server Voogru. It's interesting to see what programmers can transform an already excellent mod into. And guys, saying stuff like this is a cheat is also like saying custom models, sprites, sounds and anything else that isn't default is a cheat. If you don't like it, don't play on servers that run it. If you have some CONSTRUCTIVE critisism, post it. If you have suggestions, post it. If you want to flame and insult, go away. Voogru, keep doing what you're doing. Anyone who has flamed, kindly bug off and don't post about it again. I, however, find it interesting and fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--voogru+Nov 21 2002, 03:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ Nov 21 2002, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is a great mod, i originally intended it to be a replacement adminmod since it didnt work with NS. Then i got a idea just to try a few things. a majority of my players seem to like it on My server, My rules. so in my server, having the armory dispense health is NOT a cheat.
-voogru<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't U get it... we can't use your Un balanced plugin... until its ben testet away from public..... You will scare the newbies away... and stop the community from growing....!!!!!
READ MY LIPS it will kill the cummunity!!!
Keep your plugin 4 your self don't give it to anyone else.... you will just spred this infection of a already gr8 mod....!
Nownow, don't flame. He's being very careful to keep it balanced and he'll probably eventually add some stuff for the aliens too if it gets too out of hand.
[EDIT:] And PLEASE use a spell checker when you post, I hate having to translate everything to understand it.
I don't like the idea of modifying this because it kills the game balance... although it is more convinient it ruins what the game was intented to be...
It would make the marines less relying on each other and rambo style...
and what if a newbie join this server at first? he would get so used to this server's rules and he'll not know how the game was actually supposed to be! :o Then he would complain how hard it is for marines when he's playing outside or stuff because he doesn't know that the commander should be droping medpacks! :o
It is nice to have some addons but the balancing and teamplay issue is very important too. I hope you'll look into that.
Do whatever, but make sure that any mods to the mod can be easily identified and filtered out. It's just like all the Tribes mods, I feel that these changes adversely affect the game and don't want to play on any server that's using them. Don't care what other people do, as long as I don't have to keep hopping into multiple servers to see whether they're running pure NS before I find one to play on.
As for constructive criticism, the nightvision is an interesting idea, but something of a moodkiller for marines. The places are dark on purpose to make a spooky atmosphere, and having the world entirely eye-searing green destroys that. Not something that the marines have to use, of course, personal choice, but you know that the 1337-wannabees will naturally slide to anything that gives them an edge. Also, the Kharaa were given the nightvision-esque abilities as part of their balance; just up and handing it to the other team as well could tip things badly in that regard.
I am dead set against any kind of health dispenser for the marines. Teamwork is key, and the only way to reliably get teamwork on a public server is by forcing it with health and armor healing only coming from your teammates. NS's unique flavor comes entirely from the two contrasting approaches to teamwork that the two sides have, and giving health dispensers to the humans takes a hammer to that contrast. To the idea that commanders could dump health packs into an ammo dispenser for later use, commander-dropped items do not vanish, ever, to the best of my knowledge. So the comm can litter every floor in the place with health packs if he's so inclined, without having to worry about them vanishing.
Don't take this the wrong way, voogru, even though I disagree with your choices, I don't think it's inherently bad to tinker with things. I do think that the things you tinkered with were there for a very good and well thought out reason, however. I hope that the people who disagree with me keep your server hopping for a good long time.
<!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Nov 21 2002, 08:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Nov 21 2002, 08:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Because it can improve gameplay, plain and simple. Voogru, I suggest you check out the suggestions forum for things to implement!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Right. Isn't it up to the developers to "improve gameplay"?
How would you like it if you worked years on a piece of art and someone came along in the museum it was in and said, "Hmmm this could use some work." Then proceeded to take it down and modify it how they please. This is the same sort of deal.
by now ive played Natural selection for three weeks, which has been in development and playtesting for over one and a half year, and now i know all about its balance, tactics and intended gameflow. So i think i know whats best for Natural Selection, much better than flay, doom, and co., because theyre creative and if people cant adopt to new gameplay ideas (read: TEAMPLAY) ill change it, so they dont have to. For further gameplay enhancement i would suggest adding some kind of engineer, who can setup structures and a new feature which allows marines to buy their own weapons and equipment at advanced armory. In Addition to that give the redundant command a MP3-player so he does not get all to bored while dooing nothing and watching his troops DM it out w/ aliens.
IMHO you did not understand what NS was intended to be and i would really appreciate it if you keep ur plugin for yourself.
voogru...earlier you asked why your server was always full....one reason is the ping. I used to visit your server because I pinged so well there. 30-90ms is pretty damn good. I am sure a great many ppl play at your server because of this as well....not saying your plug-in doesnt attract ppl...just that some ppl visit your server for the ping. Unfortunately Im not fond of the plug-in so I dont play there.......even with such a great ping. Never had any probs with you or your server.....I simply dont like the plug-in. If you were to remove the plug-in I would be playing at your server right now instead of typing this out. =)
<!--QuoteBegin--Bill+Nov 21 2002, 04:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bill @ Nov 21 2002, 04:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Nov 21 2002, 08:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Nov 21 2002, 08:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Because it can improve gameplay, plain and simple. Voogru, I suggest you check out the suggestions forum for things to implement!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Right. Isn't it up to the developers to "improve gameplay"?
How would you like it if you worked years on a piece of art and someone came along in the museum it was in and said, "Hmmm this could use some work." Then proceeded to take it down and modify it how they please. This is the same sort of deal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not quite. What Voogru is essentially doing is taking a copy of it and improving it.
If we had a better way of telling which server is using it and which isn't, then I'd agree. Sort of like with the Counter-Strike beta mod's, they aren't associated with Counter-Strike so they don't come up when you're looking to play a game a normal game of Counter-Strike. Which, ironically enough, due to so many "mods" out for it now, finding a normal CS server is quite a feat itself.
And honestly, I am not seeing how the additions he's made imrpove gameplay.
I think all the people here who oppose this and blame voogru are bloody stupid. He is not tampering with the code, fewlz. He is only adding dlls, much like Cheeseh, the first ns-bot maker. Now would you call him a hacker, code-tamperer or what other indecent things? I mean if voogru took the time to at least make it I'm sure his intentions were good, so if don't want to play on his server, then:
<span style='color:red'> ***NUKED***</span> DONT TRY TO GET AROUND THE SWEAR FILTER
I dont understand how you people can complain on something as trivial as nightvision. By this time you should KNOW that most players will tweak their gamma settings in windows, to get brighter vision ingame. This is something that every half-decent CS player does, and I'm damned sure that ALOT of NS players does it aswell. Luckily I don't have to bother with it myself, since my monitor is so bright in the first place. Nightvision would do NOTHING to help me perform better in NS, and I certain that this is the case for ALOT of people.
Furthermore, I'm having a hard time seeing how the "red lasers of doom" comming out of the marines weapons, can help their gameplay.
Personally I don't see this mod as "unbalancing" the game, the guy has added 3 new features, two of the completetly useless, and probably mostly there to add a little extra spice to gameplay.
The medpack in armory, is the only feature that I would consider unbalanced, but if it gives out 2 health a cycle, then it's NOOOOOOO **obscenity** way that it can cause marines to win more frequently. Any half-baked commander could do the same thing with a little mouse clicking.
Are you people who are moaning about this mod (because thats what it is really - a mod of a mod <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ) paying for his server, i seriously doubt it. Its his server he can do what he wants. To call it a cheat is laughable and displays your ignorance of the subject.
The only area of concern is if he tries to represent his modification as the 'true' NS -- however he obviously doesnt do this if you read the splash text on entering the server. I agree with Bill tho there should be someway of filtering out modded servers in ASE/Lamespy etc.
voogru, I'd like to request you to ban me from your servers as well. I don't like what you've done to/with NS, and this is the easiest way to keep from accidentally joining one of your servers during my Quest For Decent Ping. My WONID is 56095
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Once i ban you, dont be asking for a unban.
Also, If SOOOOO Many people HATE my plugin, why is my server constantly full? And... i get 3-4 emails a day asking about how they could get my mod. (Lucky for you i dont distribute it. YET)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LOL, voogru.
Criticism can't hurt you.
I think it's cool that someone's trying unique things with their server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hehe, thanks <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
LONG LIVE ONLY WHAT THE NS TEAM MAKES...... all your wanna be NS makers go make your own MOD instead of stealing the NS scource code and killing the game play....
What wont a newbie think if he comes it to a unbalanced server like yours..... he will STOP playíng NS because he thinks its lame...... all because of your plugins..... THE ONLY NEED TO PLAY THE REAL THING......
All respekt to the NS team... Sorry if i write a litte evil <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Like Nvidea sayes "The Way it Was ment to be played"
I certainly like my NS the way it is, and frankly, i dont think it will get boring anytime soon.
I certainly like my NS the way it is, and frankly, i dont think it will get boring anytime soon.
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Im not touching thier code.
I dont have thier code, therefore i cant touch thier code now can i?
Thats the same as having to get permission from VALVe to distribute a mod that you made. If they did that then people wouldnt be able to run adminmod/metamod or anything that "hooks" onto the server-side DLL.
My dll works identicle to the way AdminMOD works.
-voogru
Changing the mod they worked so hard to put together for us isnt really the best way of telling them what a great job they have done. So, yes, before you change their mod, by whatever means you are using, ask them first. If they like it, i dont mind, but otherwise, i wouldnt like seeing this kind of plugin spread around the community. Soon, we will have other plugins... which may not be so, erm, harmless as you seem to state.
What is a cheat? Anything that provides an unfair advantage to a player or group of players that was not intended to be in the game/mod and specifically put there by the dev team for that purpose. This plugin seems to fit this definition quite well actually, since it provides advantages for the marines, but no disadvatages to them and no other new abilities for the aliens etc.
btw, dont worry about ever coming in my server again.
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Poor baby, did the nasty mean man criticise you?
If you think the marines need to be pumped up you suck as marines plain and simple.
Btw, thanks Ozob. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
-voogru
Btw, thanks Ozob. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
-voogru<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't U get it... we can't use your Un balanced plugin... until its ben testet away from public.....
You will scare the newbies away... and stop the community from growing....!!!!!
READ MY LIPS it will kill the cummunity!!!
Keep your plugin 4 your self don't give it to anyone else.... you will just spred this infection of a already gr8 mod....!
[EDIT:] And PLEASE use a spell checker when you post, I hate having to translate everything to understand it.
Create your own mod insted of infesting and killing this mod
Thats my final word...!
although it is more convinient it ruins what the game was intented to be...
It would make the marines less relying on each other and rambo style...
and what if a newbie join this server at first? he would get so used to this server's rules and he'll not know how the game was actually supposed to be! :o Then he would complain how hard it is for marines when he's playing outside or stuff because he doesn't know that the commander should be droping medpacks! :o
It is nice to have some addons but the balancing and teamplay issue is very important too. I hope you'll look into that.
As for constructive criticism, the nightvision is an interesting idea, but something of a moodkiller for marines. The places are dark on purpose to make a spooky atmosphere, and having the world entirely eye-searing green destroys that. Not something that the marines have to use, of course, personal choice, but you know that the 1337-wannabees will naturally slide to anything that gives them an edge. Also, the Kharaa were given the nightvision-esque abilities as part of their balance; just up and handing it to the other team as well could tip things badly in that regard.
I am dead set against any kind of health dispenser for the marines. Teamwork is key, and the only way to reliably get teamwork on a public server is by forcing it with health and armor healing only coming from your teammates. NS's unique flavor comes entirely from the two contrasting approaches to teamwork that the two sides have, and giving health dispensers to the humans takes a hammer to that contrast. To the idea that commanders could dump health packs into an ammo dispenser for later use, commander-dropped items do not vanish, ever, to the best of my knowledge. So the comm can litter every floor in the place with health packs if he's so inclined, without having to worry about them vanishing.
Don't take this the wrong way, voogru, even though I disagree with your choices, I don't think it's inherently bad to tinker with things. I do think that the things you tinkered with were there for a very good and well thought out reason, however. I hope that the people who disagree with me keep your server hopping for a good long time.
Right. Isn't it up to the developers to "improve gameplay"?
How would you like it if you worked years on a piece of art and someone came along in the museum it was in and said, "Hmmm this could use some work." Then proceeded to take it down and modify it how they please. This is the same sort of deal.
So i think i know whats best for Natural Selection, much better than flay, doom, and co., because theyre creative and if people cant adopt to new gameplay ideas (read: TEAMPLAY) ill change it, so they dont have to.
For further gameplay enhancement i would suggest adding some kind of engineer, who can setup structures and a new feature which allows marines to buy their own weapons and equipment at advanced armory. In Addition to that give the redundant command a MP3-player so he does not get all to bored while dooing nothing and watching his troops DM it out w/ aliens.
IMHO you did not understand what NS was intended to be and i would really appreciate it if you keep ur plugin for yourself.
-virus
You gave the marines at least one incredibly useful ability [night vision] and another minor benefit of free health from ammo dispensers.
What did you do for the aliens? Did you give them at least one additional new incredible ability and another minor one?
Right. Isn't it up to the developers to "improve gameplay"?
How would you like it if you worked years on a piece of art and someone came along in the museum it was in and said, "Hmmm this could use some work." Then proceeded to take it down and modify it how they please. This is the same sort of deal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not quite. What Voogru is essentially doing is taking a copy of it and improving it.
And honestly, I am not seeing how the additions he's made imrpove gameplay.
<span style='color:red'> ***NUKED***</span> DONT TRY TO GET AROUND THE SWEAR FILTER
Furthermore, I'm having a hard time seeing how the "red lasers of doom" comming out of the marines weapons, can help their gameplay.
Personally I don't see this mod as "unbalancing" the game, the guy has added 3 new features, two of the completetly useless, and probably mostly there to add a little extra spice to gameplay.
The medpack in armory, is the only feature that I would consider unbalanced, but if it gives out 2 health a cycle, then it's NOOOOOOO **obscenity** way that it can cause marines to win more frequently. Any half-baked commander could do the same thing with a little mouse clicking.
The only area of concern is if he tries to represent his modification as the 'true' NS -- however he obviously doesnt do this if you read the splash text on entering the server. I agree with Bill tho there should be someway of filtering out modded servers in ASE/Lamespy etc.