My favourite phrase of the moment is "No, no sentries. Not now, not ever. This isn't the film Aliens: THEY DO NOT WORK LIKE THAT"
you're forgetting the scene from the aliens movie where ripley says "damn wtf is with these crap sentry guns... what kind of dumbass commander put them down... no wonder the colony was wiped out".
Yea, the shortest way to see these rooks not pick up the game is by stomping them as marines to be honest. Aliens are already incredibly difficult to pick up and play for a novice player, the last thing they need is some 'pro players' just outright stomping them on top of that.
Considering how last stand Marines is actually kind of fun, where last stand aliens leads to mass F4, if Veterans really want more players to join, should be make a conscious effort to have Aliens win more often.
I can see how it's disheartening to play your first round as Aliens and get egg locked into defeat. But playing a last stand against Aliens is pretty amusing. I'd argue that if a F2P weekender won their first fight as aliens or lost in a Last Stand, they'd be more willing to give the game a chance.
Even veterans get frustrated with being egg locked into defeat. Imagine people who just downloaded the game an hour ago.
They were doing it before free weekend. Everyone stacks marines these days. Before it was not as bad because skulks actually had a better chance with their movement. I went alien today with a bunch of greens and saw vets stack the other side stomping the team and then saying insulting remarks at the end. Pretty ridiculous.
Behavior like this is going to lead to the game dying from lack of players.
Won 5 out of 7 games yesterday and make a deliberate habit to switch Marines to Aliens, then Aliens to marines. Luckily, no one was stacking veterans. But as someone else said, game was 75% new players.
Veterans should be pushing as fair play as possible. Granted though, I did let a guy who I'm almost 100% certain (I 1st person spected him before joining) is using the shotgun autoscript slide. Largely because I needed him as one of the few marines who could shoot.
Also, should be tossing out encouragement and advice to both team F2P Weekenders.
I tried to help, but i feel like making things worse...
If i was a rookie today, i guess i would rather not understand the game and just play and have fun with ppl like me - than getting answered a few question etc. but likely totally destroyed by the team that "veteran" guy is in... (its kinda impossible to help both sides equally, especially not if you play in one of it)
I guess its better to join with a friend that plays in the other team to balance things out.
Just a tip for helping new commanders. Use the 'ping map' command on res nodes to get him to drop an extractor. Since the icon will show when he looks at the area, it's a fast way to help him learn how to drop them. Quite often if you say to a commander to "drop an extractor in X location" they won't know where that is. Pinging the map makes it easier.
I dunno how to feel about the new players. A good majority of them seem to not have a mic and when asked to communicate they simply ignore my request. If I then get upset and blame the loss on the team they then finally say something like "well, we are new...". I'm pretty ok with new players, but ones that don't communicate are dead to me. It's like playing DOTA with bots. I want to cry just a bit.
Today I had a few really good rounds commanding a green team on both aliens and marines. Then a couple more explaining how to command to a couple of keen guys with mics.
One of the guys that I taught to com said he will definitely purchase the game.
hm well ... why have tutorials been made o.O - dunno but would be a bit stupid to tell every single person what to do and actually takes a lot of time - maybe the mic doesnt work and nobody calls that for u and and and :> nana just link the tutorials xD
anyways - today player's are a bit unskilled in fact - u even need to tell them how to move out of base n stuff or otherwise they camp around isnt that much fun to teach them - would be much more fun years ago as gamers were REAL GAMERS and not such CoD Campers
hm well ... why have tutorials been made o.O - dunno but would be a bit stupid to tell every single person what to do and actually takes a lot of time - maybe the mic doesnt work and nobody calls that for u and and and :> nana just link the tutorials xD
anyways - today player's are a bit unskilled in fact - u even need to tell them how to move out of base n stuff or otherwise they camp around isnt that much fun to teach them - would be much more fun years ago as gamers were REAL GAMERS and not such CoD Campers
Being fair to the new players, they get messages and arrows telling them to build things in base, there's no natural instinct built into marine play to be attacking. This simply takes time and experience to really understand.
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I have to say I feel kind of bad when I play marines and get some ridiculous kill streak going because of all the green ground skulks. I try to give out the tips, man, but it's hard to give tips to the other team when they're already feeling a bit down in the dumps for losing.
I did it (nearly) the whole day... Mostly going comm and khamm.
Please move out of the base.
Press c for the minimap, so you see where we have trouble and to find out where you are.
Move together...
Press "E" to build...
You should consider getting a microphone, because the game is later based upon good communication and teamwork.
The symbol for the extractor is at the bottom right, in the build menu. Click on it and click on a res node (round thing, where steam comes out).
Cyst chains - destroy and defend.
Walk on the ceilings and jump from the walls, so you are not so easy to hit.
...
Summing up: I am getting tired. And in most cases it feels like I am talking against a wall. As soon as I start to feel angry I left the servers to cool down.
Nearly no feedback from those "gamers". (WHERE SHOTGUNNNNNNSSSS !!!!1111oneoneeleven"!!!)
It is a completly different experience compared to the time around christmas... A lot of people joined the game with incredible technical equipment (microphones) and were able to use it. People listened and asked reasonable questions (First thinking, then talking - I was impressed). People did (tried) to follow the commanders orders.
Not everyone was like that, but the majority was.
Maybe I seem like one of those "the good old day" guys, but - excuse me - wtf: only 3.5 months have passed and it feels like the servers are crowded with badly programmed bots.
I hope I find the strength tomorrow to join up the servers again and give my best to explain and help - the two or three new guys from today willing to listen and communicate are not much but rewarding enough.
Rookie signing in, played a bit last night - just to say thanks to "Red One" who in the game i was in had his mic on handing out orders and teaching all the rooks like me how to play - top guy, liking the game quite a lot may be buying it
I question how some of these people managed to install the game... They just stand there, not knowing what WASD is. They run in circles not knowing what left click is. Its like their first time in an FPS.
Its great an all so many new people are trying the game, but it makes it impossible to get a good game. Its not fun to single handily kill a hive because the other team cant walk and bite at the same time... You can try to teach them, but they don't listen.
I've been comming almost exclusively. If there is a rookie with a mic who asks for help on how to comm I'll by all means help him. But most of the time, me comming has led to good results. The rookies generally listen if you call them by name. Once they realize that you know what you're doing they're even more willing to follow your orders (after you win a game or two with them under you). Also if you notice that they're doing something wrong and you correct them (attack the extractor, not the power) they'll more often than not be grateful.
One of the more frustrating things I've seen is regulars of a green server stacking the teams. It's just flat out not cool. Having to tell your 95% rookie team that "they've got 3 really good guys over there so don't expect to win" isn't morale boosting at all. All you're doing is driving people away. The most socially optimum situation is when 100% of the server's occupants are happy. Not 50% or even 25%. Say no to stacking.
Idk man launch was pretty terrible for me as a rookie. No one answered my questions. Got yelled at and insulted. It's like I paired with the worse people possible. Which is why I try to answer as many questions as possible and offset team stacking if I can though it is difficult. These people who stack are killing the game and they were doing it pre free weekend.
I question how some of these people managed to install the game... They just stand there, not knowing what WASD is. They run in circles not knowing what left click is. Its like their first time in an FPS.
Its great an all so many new people are trying the game, but it makes it impossible to get a good game. Its not fun to single handily kill a hive because the other team cant walk and bite at the same time... You can try to teach them, but they don't listen.
It is a completly different experience compared to the time around christmas... A lot of people joined the game with incredible technical equipment (microphones) and were able to use it. People listened and asked reasonable questions (First thinking, then talking - I was impressed). People did (tried) to follow the commanders orders.
Not everyone was like that, but the majority was.
My guess based on previous free weekends in other games is that they primarily attract the crowd that wouldn't have bothered with the game if it wasn't free right now. You probably also have a whole bunch of kids (= young, not much experience with gaming and probably not much pocket money to buy games either, so they pick what they can get for free) in there.
At launch and at Christmas was it different because people made a conscious decision to invest money into the game to play it, which means that they likely watched a few videos about it first and are ready to put some effort in to get some fun out of their investment.
The floodgates that have been released now get a lot of people in who don't really bother about anything like that and expect the game to adjust to them if it expects them to pay some actual money for it.
I personally never bothered with free weekends and just bought the game directly when I was interested in it. In my opinion does a time-limited free access to a paid game do more collateral damage than additional benefit compared to just having the game regularly on sale.
Well a few of us decided to split up, and teach new comms to play while helping the other greens on the team. We played a lot of games, and most of the time we organised it so we had a green (willing and eager) commander on both teams, and then we would field comm, get the whole team moving, talk the comms through the buttons and strategies... We had a blast. But yes, it was tiring - very tiring.
If you're trying to do this on your own, it can be frustrating and infuriating. I was on mumble with a mate (and had another mate in the server as well - we could balance the teams out dynamically which worked really well). It made for some long, close, and tense games with everyone listening, working well and having fun. I hope some of these guys buy the game (I think they will!).
I have been trying, I really have. I've spent hours each day helping and trying to teach people. At this point I am so sick of helping noobs I am actually angry at UWE for not FORCING new players to watch tutorial videos.. 90% of them don't even want to learn, they expect everything to like COD where it just shows you what to shoot and thats it.
And what is it about noobs trying to jump in the comm / khamm chairs and just sitting there doing nothing?? How is it fun for them to stare at the map and do nothing?? I try to tell them what to do, and they ignore me. I try to type to them what to do, and they ignore me. I ask them to get out and try it in explore mode, and they ignore me. I don't know what else to do. I think there might be a special ed school with thousands of computers that has just sat them all down and said "here play this NS2 game" ..
You vets are great, I've learned a lot (after tutorials of course) during my play time. I bought it and I am not regretting it. Thanks for being a great community!
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you're forgetting the scene from the aliens movie where ripley says "damn wtf is with these crap sentry guns... what kind of dumbass commander put them down... no wonder the colony was wiped out".
This is good, though!
Considering how last stand Marines is actually kind of fun, where last stand aliens leads to mass F4, if Veterans really want more players to join, should be make a conscious effort to have Aliens win more often.
I can see how it's disheartening to play your first round as Aliens and get egg locked into defeat. But playing a last stand against Aliens is pretty amusing. I'd argue that if a F2P weekender won their first fight as aliens or lost in a Last Stand, they'd be more willing to give the game a chance.
Even veterans get frustrated with being egg locked into defeat. Imagine people who just downloaded the game an hour ago.
Behavior like this is going to lead to the game dying from lack of players.
Won 5 out of 7 games yesterday and make a deliberate habit to switch Marines to Aliens, then Aliens to marines. Luckily, no one was stacking veterans. But as someone else said, game was 75% new players.
Veterans should be pushing as fair play as possible. Granted though, I did let a guy who I'm almost 100% certain (I 1st person spected him before joining) is using the shotgun autoscript slide. Largely because I needed him as one of the few marines who could shoot.
Also, should be tossing out encouragement and advice to both team F2P Weekenders.
joined marine (along with 3 friends, of course) with the most tryhardy of tryhard pants, 2ez.
Hahaha you scumbags!
If i was a rookie today, i guess i would rather not understand the game and just play and have fun with ppl like me - than getting answered a few question etc. but likely totally destroyed by the team that "veteran" guy is in... (its kinda impossible to help both sides equally, especially not if you play in one of it)
I guess its better to join with a friend that plays in the other team to balance things out.
One of the guys that I taught to com said he will definitely purchase the game.
anyways - today player's are a bit unskilled in fact - u even need to tell them how to move out of base n stuff or otherwise they camp around isnt that much fun to teach them - would be much more fun years ago as gamers were REAL GAMERS and not such CoD Campers
Being fair to the new players, they get messages and arrows telling them to build things in base, there's no natural instinct built into marine play to be attacking. This simply takes time and experience to really understand.
most of the rookies i've seen don't communicate nor reply to my "if you dont know what to do, please ask" plea.
i'm more than happy to give tips etc, but if none of them are communicating or even responding then i might as well be giving tips to a brick.
it's really exhausting to repeatedly say the same stuff again and again all day, only to have most of it totally ignored. give the veterans a break.
Summing up: I am getting tired. And in most cases it feels like I am talking against a wall. As soon as I start to feel angry I left the servers to cool down.
Nearly no feedback from those "gamers". (WHERE SHOTGUNNNNNNSSSS !!!!1111oneoneeleven"!!!)
It is a completly different experience compared to the time around christmas... A lot of people joined the game with incredible technical equipment (microphones) and were able to use it. People listened and asked reasonable questions (First thinking, then talking - I was impressed). People did (tried) to follow the commanders orders.
Not everyone was like that, but the majority was.
Maybe I seem like one of those "the good old day" guys, but - excuse me - wtf: only 3.5 months have passed and it feels like the servers are crowded with badly programmed bots.
I hope I find the strength tomorrow to join up the servers again and give my best to explain and help - the two or three new guys from today willing to listen and communicate are not much but rewarding enough.
Its great an all so many new people are trying the game, but it makes it impossible to get a good game. Its not fun to single handily kill a hive because the other team cant walk and bite at the same time... You can try to teach them, but they don't listen.
One of the more frustrating things I've seen is regulars of a green server stacking the teams. It's just flat out not cool. Having to tell your 95% rookie team that "they've got 3 really good guys over there so don't expect to win" isn't morale boosting at all. All you're doing is driving people away. The most socially optimum situation is when 100% of the server's occupants are happy. Not 50% or even 25%. Say no to stacking.
My guess based on previous free weekends in other games is that they primarily attract the crowd that wouldn't have bothered with the game if it wasn't free right now. You probably also have a whole bunch of kids (= young, not much experience with gaming and probably not much pocket money to buy games either, so they pick what they can get for free) in there.
At launch and at Christmas was it different because people made a conscious decision to invest money into the game to play it, which means that they likely watched a few videos about it first and are ready to put some effort in to get some fun out of their investment.
The floodgates that have been released now get a lot of people in who don't really bother about anything like that and expect the game to adjust to them if it expects them to pay some actual money for it.
I personally never bothered with free weekends and just bought the game directly when I was interested in it. In my opinion does a time-limited free access to a paid game do more collateral damage than additional benefit compared to just having the game regularly on sale.
If you're trying to do this on your own, it can be frustrating and infuriating. I was on mumble with a mate (and had another mate in the server as well - we could balance the teams out dynamically which worked really well). It made for some long, close, and tense games with everyone listening, working well and having fun. I hope some of these guys buy the game (I think they will!).
And what is it about noobs trying to jump in the comm / khamm chairs and just sitting there doing nothing?? How is it fun for them to stare at the map and do nothing?? I try to tell them what to do, and they ignore me. I try to type to them what to do, and they ignore me. I ask them to get out and try it in explore mode, and they ignore me. I don't know what else to do. I think there might be a special ed school with thousands of computers that has just sat them all down and said "here play this NS2 game" ..
Giving tips and explaining what everything is. I've seen some really nice vets taking comm and very carefully explaining everything.
Stopped today because of LMG jamming issues.