No more NS2+??
MoFo1
United States Join Date: 2014-07-25 Member: 197612Members
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So I noticed that suddenly no servers have NS2+ anymore... and looking on the workshop I can't find it.
Did Mendasp finally pull it?
If so then I know at least 2 things the PDT needs to start working on to include into build 290...
- Different mouse sensitivities for Marine/Alien
- Stat tracking (both during and after game) especially in regards to the rt and kill graphs
Sucks if NS2+ really is gone. I don't really understand why, but it doesn't matter. If UWE wants to retain players now then they have to focus all of their efforts on replacing all the features NS2+ offered.
On a side note: Is there a console command for changing mouse sensitivities? At least that would let me set up macro's for each sens.
Did Mendasp finally pull it?
If so then I know at least 2 things the PDT needs to start working on to include into build 290...
- Different mouse sensitivities for Marine/Alien
- Stat tracking (both during and after game) especially in regards to the rt and kill graphs
Sucks if NS2+ really is gone. I don't really understand why, but it doesn't matter. If UWE wants to retain players now then they have to focus all of their efforts on replacing all the features NS2+ offered.
On a side note: Is there a console command for changing mouse sensitivities? At least that would let me set up macro's for each sens.
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Explains it, a bit.
No last life or round end stats
No team-specific sensitivity
Lack of other misc. quality of life improvements
Crappy hitsounds
Vanilla NS2 is a painful experience.
Vanilla NS2 is really lacking these features.
Hopefully this can be resolved because the game is a hell of a lot less fun to play without these mods both vanilla and comp).
Then again, with how the start of the PDT went I'm not going to hold my breath.... Sigh....
I'll enjoy its return, for sure, but I'm pleasantly surprised by UWE -- Great vanilla gameplay tonight.
Well, good for you (it's not hard to make or see italics). Its not as if people can't play without NS2+, LF still fills servers regularly, but I will not be playing NS2 without it. I was horrified to find a gigantic hologram and subsequently realise the mod was disabled when I played. If it never comes back, well, there are other games to play.
Accuracies and such were more of a 'nice to have' for me. But the extra map sounds and effects were rather annoying, mostly because I can't remember when the last time I heard/saw them was...
I do very much wish NS2 vanilla had more of this incorporated (pay the man and take his stuff!).
Well true but let's take love for the game as a given and start the discussion from there.
It's not about the compscene vs PDT. It is about standing up for modders. Mendasp's ns+ has in itself nothing to do with the compscene, but he is on the same page as Dragon and is trying to show you guys why he needs some support too. If you don't remember he had this arguement with the PDT a few weeks ago too.
(Half serious)
What does "support" mean in this instance?
His mod has been operating fine, he's no longer developing it, there's currently no way to compensate contributors for their work to ns2 (it doesn't sound like he wants the money either, just based on recent comments of his internally), almost everyone uses and loves his mod, he hasn't seemingly had any issues lately with communication to the PDT when it comes to small maintenance work, and as much as I appreciate everything he has done for ns2 over the years and am sad that I can't use NS2+ right now...... how is any of what has happened going to inspire the regular player to support him?
Even if it did, how can they support him specifically?
I'm probably making it sound trivial and unjustifiable by saying "demands" here. That's not really my intent, I'm just trying to point out how they might expect to gain from this
No you are missing the point entirely. Their goal is to make the playerbase STOP playing. That's their leverage, killing the game.
This is not the intention at all. Don't put words in their mouths.
I'll reserve judgement for when I hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
If that's not their intention then they are doing it wrong, because that's the only thing they could possibly hope to accomplish.
Edit: Rephrased my comment with the italicized portion.
Well I am not one of the mod creators that has to deal with the updates to ns2 and knows the conversations or lack thereof that goes on between modders and UWE. Do you?
UWE should release less updates with more changes so modders have to make less updates.
While modders should better communicate with UWE accepting eventual delays and not screw or blackmail the whole playerbase.
I always feared, early on even when NS2+ was known as CHUD, that Mendasp's mod in particular would become too big and irreplaceable. For exactly this reason, that he could use it as leverage if he for what ever reason wished to and at any point in time.
This 'irrational' fear increasingly grew as Mendasp started to add little troll modes, starting with swalk mode iirc. Which he could impose on anybody he wants. Of course, we would be 'insured', that he would only do this as jokes and we can always disable it in console etc.
So I had to decide.. IF he would ever impose a trollmode on me, what would I do? Would I just wait for him to, and trust that he would, decide to turn it off on his own? I don't know Mendasp that well, and I know so far he's only really doing it with people he knows. But still, I had to make these considerations on principle.
For me, I decided, that this would be an absolute deal breaker. I would not wait for my game to become playable again - only to wonder, when I would have to go through it again.
He would sometimes joke in voip and chats about stopping upkeep or removing the mod, or sabotaging it, in protest - but we could always pass it off as him blowing off steam..
And look; this is a critique on @mendasp's behavior, but it is just as much a testament to the quality and value that I put on his work. Some of you are probably thinking "Just go play with vanilla settings". No; this is not an option for me, I'd rather not play at all.
Now he has not singled me out by imposing a trollmode on me. His target isn't even me at all. But the effect on my enjoyment, nay, ability to play, is indistinguishable.
Until now, these have been irrational fears.. But now it is reality. Once this is all over, ask yourselves, when will they claim their next demands? And when will you again be subject to their mercy? Mendasp once had the benefit of doubt on this issue. How could this possibly be repaired now?
It is a dealbreaker for me. I cannot become reinvested in a game, that can be hold hostage like this. Especially, when such a large majority of the community, don't seem to condemn this behavior. Where is the deterrence for Mendasp to ever repeat this?
Yes, he has stated that it is only temporary.. But how can I insure, that he will not repeat this stunt the next time he gets pissy on somebody?
I understand why he wanted to stand in solidarity with dragon, I really do. And in that cause, I'd probably stand right beside you. But not this way. This move to remove NS2+, for any reason what so ever, is a dealbreaker for me.
Inb4; I am singling Mendasp out here, because I do not view it as the same, as when dragon removed his mods. Dragons mods largely only affected competitive games - without them, the game is strictly speaking still playable. And if I understand correctly, dragon is not just holding a ransom, but actually contemplating quitting. -In which case we can't demand he does something he doesn't want to do.
So you can say @Golden that sotanaht is putting words in their mouth. Maybe he is, but it is really beside the issue. The effect, whether this was the intention or not, is exactly what sotanaht describes - at the very least in my case.
Edit-and-tldr: I don't think any less of Mendasp because of this, I think he's a great guy. I sympathize with why he did it. But I do not, and will not, agree with his method.
This is the /best/ time to be playing NS2! The doomsday you feared has played out with no practical impact. Despite rhetoric, this weekend's tournament play proves that comp play isn't going to die without Dragon's mod. Despite many of us enthusiastically implying otherwise when praising Mendasp's work in the past, last night's Server Browser proved that casual play isn't going to stop without Mendasp's mod. Meanwhile, UWE has their own dev excitement AND momentum, and we'll all come out of this with better communication than before.
I'm very optimistic about the future.