Since you are threatening us how you are going to leave NS for good, would you please do it sooner rather then later and stop posting in this damn thread?
Until we get some definative numbers from a stats program to give us solid evidence about the win loss ratio we are certainly not going to be changing a bunch of random gameplay features in an effort to frantically balance the game because some people whine about it with NO SOLID EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Bytor+Dec 20 2002, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bytor @ Dec 20 2002, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Butt monkey salad+Dec 20 2002, 05:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Butt monkey salad @ Dec 20 2002, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As for the misbalanced races issue, lemme know when either players find ways to make it seem much more balanced or they come with a balancing patch. Im not gonna be here for a long time.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We will all pretend to miss you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> was a joke. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Welcome back...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyways, no I dont stick with 1 server, I join many low-ping servers and Aliens win 85% of time anyhow. Plus Im rarely commander and when I am I usually do about as good or better than other marine commanders out there. It has NOTHING to with my skillz cuz I whoop marines as an alien just as easily as an alien team whoops mine.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But I think you missed the point of his post... The game will appear unbalanced if the marines don't play as a group. If you play as a "rambo" style of player you will never win.
I've played both sides of the coin and won as both sides about 50-50 so I understand what you are saying but simply don't agree...
Yikes, combative attitude will get you no place fast. Perhaps you just need to expose yourself to several other servers and players (I find I get different types of games at different times of day) and eventually you will see that a good skilled marine team can beat a good skilled alien team and vice-versa. As well, a poorly led marine team can still win against an all-gorge alien team.
I reckon the most unbalanced game in the world is TFC!
Red seem to win 90% of the time! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Minstrel_KnightThe truth and nothing but the truth...Join Date: 2002-11-21Member: 9562Banned
<!--QuoteBegin--nØthing+Dec 20 2002, 07:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nØthing @ Dec 20 2002, 07:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I reckon the most unbalanced game in the world is TFC!
Red seem to win 90% of the time! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's because all the good players join red.
I actually hold the opposite view of what salad is saying. I think aliens are far too weak. Having commandered plenty of games, and having been under the command of several good comms (you know who you are), I've come to the conclusion that NS is more or less balanced. If you have a good commander, with good marines, then the aliens will get ploughed unless they respond with their own high-level of organization similar to what the commander presents. I've commandered my share of games, and by how many times I've won, I would have almost come to the conclusion that natural selection is still heavily biased towards the marines. However, in all consideration of having played a very well organized alien team a couple of times, I have to say two things:
We should really postpone judgement until people gain more experience. Natural selection is basically made or broken depending on the amount of skill on your team.
Organization is key towards harnessing any amount of skill your team possesses.
Obviously, my view (still is) biased towards the marines being overpowered and the aliens being underpowered. However, I do recognize that experience and time are the only true judges of what's unfair and fair.
Natural Selection has only been out for a short period of time, and to make a comparison to an unnamed RTS game, Blizzard constantly tries to work on the balance of its game based on hard statistics, not opinions. Even then, significant balance changes for the company's previous games took a long time to roll out (and when they did, they were quite comprehensive) because if they probably jumped the gun to make everyone happy, they'd screw up their product even more.
Doing a hash-bangup job of patching things is no way to respond to any kind of an initial balance problem, as it would probably only cause bigger problems. Instead, the problem must be looked at carefully, and analyzed so that the best balance choices can be made.
Ok, so if you want to uninstall NS, go ahead. No one gives a crud about you, or the fact that you're touting off your (obviously) one person biased opinion. Other people have their own opinions, and if the developers tailored the game towards YOUR wants and YOUR needs, then you're clearly a selfish **obscenity**.
Come on. It's supposed to be the season of good will, cheer, and giving. Why don't you contribute by making sensible comments? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
apparently I HAVE won as aliens when going rambo with no sense of teamwork. this is no joke. Marines ARE that weak and commanders never seem to give em new weapons even under dire situations cuz of how much resource it costs for 1 FREAKIN weapon that expires upon the marines death, cmon man!
<!--QuoteBegin--Ardesco+Dec 21 2002, 01:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ardesco @ Dec 21 2002, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I actually hold the opposite view of what salad is saying. I think aliens are far too weak. Having commandered plenty of games, and having been under the command of several good comms (you know who you are), I've come to the conclusion that NS is more or less balanced. If you have a good commander, with good marines, then the aliens will get ploughed unless they respond with their own high-level of organization similar to what the commander presents. I've commandered my share of games, and by how many times I've won, I would have almost come to the conclusion that natural selection is still heavily biased towards the marines. However, in all consideration of having played a very well organized alien team a couple of times, I have to say two things:
We should really postpone judgement until people gain more experience. Natural selection is basically made or broken depending on the amount of skill on your team.
Organization is key towards harnessing any amount of skill your team possesses.
Obviously, my view (still is) biased towards the marines being overpowered and the aliens being underpowered. However, I do recognize that experience and time are the only true judges of what's unfair and fair.
Natural Selection has only been out for a short period of time, and to make a comparison to an unnamed RTS game, Blizzard constantly tries to work on the balance of its game based on hard statistics, not opinions. Even then, significant balance changes for the company's previous games took a long time to roll out (and when they did, they were quite comprehensive) because if they probably jumped the gun to make everyone happy, they'd screw up their product even more.
Doing a hash-bangup job of patching things is no way to respond to any kind of an initial balance problem, as it would probably only cause bigger problems. Instead, the problem must be looked at carefully, and analyzed so that the best balance choices can be made.
Ok, so if you want to uninstall NS, go ahead. No one gives a crud about you, or the fact that you're touting off your (obviously) one person biased opinion. Other people have their own opinions, and if the developers tailored the game towards YOUR wants and YOUR needs, then you're clearly a selfish **obscenity**.
Come on. It's supposed to be the season of good will, cheer, and giving. Why don't you contribute by making sensible comments? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I try to be as sensible as i can <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Id say your post pretty much sums it up. Its all up to the marine commander. Ive seen aliens lose consectutively for 5 rounds, A commander who knows the map with 1 or 2 marines on his team that play it smart is all it takes to beat the aliens.
<span style='color:red'>I'm a loudmouthed kid who doesn't know that by dodging the swear-filter, or just plain ignorance on common spelling, my posts can be <b>***NUKED***</b></span>
If you're going to start an argument and "can't be arsed" to listen to what people have to say in defence then you should start an argument in the first place
How did Butt Monkey manage to load Natural Selection on his Speak 'N Spell anyways?
You can't argue with the troll. He doesn't want to listen to silly things like "logic", or even bother reading other people's posts fully. No, that might show some signs of intelligence and maturity.
Be quiet all of you. You obviously have not played enough to be good if you think NS is unbalanced, I've seen it go any way, so quit your complaining or get better.
edit- minor thing that changed whole opinion of post
<!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+Dec 20 2002, 09:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Dec 20 2002, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Be quiet all of you. You obviously have not played enough to be good if you think NS is balanced, I've seen it go any way, so quit your complaining or get better.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> couldnt have said it better myself, or r u being sarcastic?
NE wayz, the game is still unbalanced but i will still play it only cuz I won a game with marines recently even though i wasnt commander and had almost nothing to do with it and aliens were n00bs, but oh well.
Do u think though that if a marine vs. a skulk, the skulk would have advantage unless its a long hallway? Is that y marines stick together? Whats so special about that? aliens can stick together too so its no advantage or specialty <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Kilmster+Dec 20 2002, 09:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kilmster @ Dec 20 2002, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm going to point something out to all of you..
PUB GAMES ARE GENERALLY CRAP.
ok bye.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> please give me the name of some clan or how i join a clan I know not nuttin bout clans but wanna join one and dont know exactly where to start is it something that jus sorta happens without trying kinda like making friends??
Due to the flamey nature, and the headache I have from trying to read through more spelling mistakes than www.engrish.com has to offer... This thread is hereby closed. Don't make a comment on the game if you can't deal with criticism, much less a conflicting opinion.
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Until we get some definative numbers from a stats program to give us solid evidence about the win loss ratio we are certainly not going to be changing a bunch of random gameplay features in an effort to frantically balance the game because some people whine about it with NO SOLID EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.
We will all pretend to miss you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
was a joke.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Welcome back...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyways, no I dont stick with 1 server, I join many low-ping servers and Aliens win 85% of time anyhow. Plus Im rarely commander and when I am I usually do about as good or better than other marine commanders out there. It has NOTHING to with my skillz cuz I whoop marines as an alien just as easily as an alien team whoops mine.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But I think you missed the point of his post... The game will appear unbalanced if the marines don't play as a group. If you play as a "rambo" style of player you will never win.
I've played both sides of the coin and won as both sides about 50-50 so I understand what you are saying but simply don't agree...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Get it? Got it? Good!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yikes, combative attitude will get you no place fast. Perhaps you just need to expose yourself to several other servers and players (I find I get different types of games at different times of day) and eventually you will see that a good skilled marine team can beat a good skilled alien team and vice-versa. As well, a poorly led marine team can still win against an all-gorge alien team.
It's just the type of games you are seeing....
Red seem to win 90% of the time! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Marines and Aliens seem to win an equal amount on my servers, go figure.
Red seem to win 90% of the time! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's because all the good players join red.
I just don't have anything to say...
We should really postpone judgement until people gain more experience. Natural selection is basically made or broken depending on the amount of skill on your team.
Organization is key towards harnessing any amount of skill your team possesses.
Obviously, my view (still is) biased towards the marines being overpowered and the aliens being underpowered. However, I do recognize that experience and time are the only true judges of what's unfair and fair.
Natural Selection has only been out for a short period of time, and to make a comparison to an unnamed RTS game, Blizzard constantly tries to work on the balance of its game based on hard statistics, not opinions. Even then, significant balance changes for the company's previous games took a long time to roll out (and when they did, they were quite comprehensive) because if they probably jumped the gun to make everyone happy, they'd screw up their product even more.
Doing a hash-bangup job of patching things is no way to respond to any kind of an initial balance problem, as it would probably only cause bigger problems. Instead, the problem must be looked at carefully, and analyzed so that the best balance choices can be made.
Ok, so if you want to uninstall NS, go ahead. No one gives a crud about you, or the fact that you're touting off your (obviously) one person biased opinion. Other people have their own opinions, and if the developers tailored the game towards YOUR wants and YOUR needs, then you're clearly a selfish **obscenity**.
Come on. It's supposed to be the season of good will, cheer, and giving. Why don't you contribute by making sensible comments? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
We should really postpone judgement until people gain more experience. Natural selection is basically made or broken depending on the amount of skill on your team.
Organization is key towards harnessing any amount of skill your team possesses.
Obviously, my view (still is) biased towards the marines being overpowered and the aliens being underpowered. However, I do recognize that experience and time are the only true judges of what's unfair and fair.
Natural Selection has only been out for a short period of time, and to make a comparison to an unnamed RTS game, Blizzard constantly tries to work on the balance of its game based on hard statistics, not opinions. Even then, significant balance changes for the company's previous games took a long time to roll out (and when they did, they were quite comprehensive) because if they probably jumped the gun to make everyone happy, they'd screw up their product even more.
Doing a hash-bangup job of patching things is no way to respond to any kind of an initial balance problem, as it would probably only cause bigger problems. Instead, the problem must be looked at carefully, and analyzed so that the best balance choices can be made.
Ok, so if you want to uninstall NS, go ahead. No one gives a crud about you, or the fact that you're touting off your (obviously) one person biased opinion. Other people have their own opinions, and if the developers tailored the game towards YOUR wants and YOUR needs, then you're clearly a selfish **obscenity**.
Come on. It's supposed to be the season of good will, cheer, and giving. Why don't you contribute by making sensible comments? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I try to be as sensible as i can <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Id say your post pretty much sums it up. Its all up to the marine commander. Ive seen aliens lose consectutively for 5 rounds, A commander who knows the map with 1 or 2 marines on his team that play it smart is all it takes to beat the aliens.
You can't argue with the troll. He doesn't want to listen to silly things like "logic", or even bother reading other people's posts fully. No, that might show some signs of intelligence and maturity.
edit- minor thing that changed whole opinion of post
couldnt have said it better myself, or r u being sarcastic?
NE wayz, the game is still unbalanced but i will still play it only cuz I won a game with marines recently even though i wasnt commander and had almost nothing to do with it and aliens were n00bs, but oh well.
Do u think though that if a marine vs. a skulk, the skulk would have advantage unless its a long hallway? Is that y marines stick together? Whats so special about that? aliens can stick together too so its no advantage or specialty <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
PUB GAMES ARE GENERALLY CRAP.
ok bye.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
please give me the name of some clan or how i join a clan I know not nuttin bout clans but wanna join one and dont know exactly where to start is it something that jus sorta happens without trying kinda like making friends??