Mmg?

Sid · February 2003

Really? Thanks A million!

I can only make the side view (A 2d model in Milkshape) that looks good, and I'll try and do a non-deatailed clip, but then someone has to take over for me...

To do list for tomorrow:
-Work on the MMG
-Fix Grenade Skin for re-release (I'm going to try and do a gradius manually... thanks wolf!)

Omega1 · February 2003

Ok, I'm finally going to step in on this, being as I am also a concept artist, currently employed by Alias-Interactive, and I am also doing weaponry. I'll give you a few suggestions...

With the brand new one you drew...

-For clip size, your going to need to lengthen the clip. But not too much, because the most efficient way to load a clip is to have a "zig zag" insertion, where the rounds kind of fit around eachother. Adds more rounds to a smaller space = better efficiency.
-For your placement of the screen displaying your ammo count, you should probably move it forward to about the halfway point, maybe a little back towads the stock, but in that general region. Since it is a bullpup design, the clip will be behind the shooters back hand, and hance, out of sight, which is hard to take a glance at with periphreal vision.
-Ironsights. You need to place some regular sights on it. I know that the regular NS mod does not have them either, and it bugs the poopoo out of me. A laser sight alone will not let you see what your aiming at, especially since your putting a 2 mm dot on an object 10 meters away, if you can see that, I applaud your keen senses.
-The barrel looks like it just rests on top of the gun. Make it seem a little implemented into the body of the gun, so it doesn't look like when you fire off your first round there's gonna be a 3 1/2 foot long pole sliding into your eye at speeds of over 800 mph <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>
-The stock itself needs to be more "Cushiony", right now it looks like unless i'm lying in the prone position, if I fire that baby off, i'm gonna get 2 nice indentions in my upper shoulder and armpit. Just round them out, and maybe lengthen it a bit, unless your going for the compact look.

Now, I know that it is a concept, and I hear you about getting critism for the stuff, and being flamed from some people who don't know the first thing about weapons (no not you Wolf, you silly goose), BUT, you do need to take their advice with open arms, maybe not implement it, but just allow yourself the .129871345 of a second to think and then dismiss the idea <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

As for my advice, you can take it as you want, but always look at it as constructive critism. I'll post a concept of the Sniper Rifle I've drawn, and maybe it can give you a little inspiration. Mind you, it won't be up until tommorow, because I seem to be having some trouble getting the files from the scanner on my parents computer, to my person computer. (Yes, I live with my parents, but don't most 15 year olds?) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

So far, so good though.

Sid · February 2003

*speechless* You are amazing! Only One year older than me, and your employed. HELL this is NOT critisicm... this is advice from GOD <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Thanks a MILLION! I'll get to work witht he ideas asap, Thanks a lot!

-Sid

Omega1 · February 2003

Ok, after seeing that you thought I was a God, I decided I'd kick my parents computer a few thousand times until it decided to allow me to transfer the image so I could modify it and size it down, make it a jpeg, and all that fun stuff. Anyway, here you go. Now be inspired.

Also, do you have a scanner? It may work better to handdraw your stuff and scan it in and upload instead of doing it on MSPaint <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Omega1 · February 2003

Yay for complications!

Just go to here to see it...

<a href='http://forum.orphus.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1611' target='_blank'>http://forum.orphus.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1611</a>

Liku · February 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Omega- @ Feb 5 2003, 08:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yay for complications!

Just go to here to see it...

<a href='http://forum.orphus.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1611' target='_blank'>http://forum.orphus.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1611</a>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I like it, looks like an Alien's weapon.

Sid · February 2003

Oh My God... you sure you're 15? Thats one helluva nice drawing. I like to doodle rough designs similiar to those, but they're very petite and, of course, without the detail. VERY nice!!

Okay, i just finished the modifications on my Gun.
About the shell ejecter thinger:
It is mounted ont he other side of the scope, so when a casing fly out, you're not smucked in the face by a red hot shell.

Well, enjoy.

P.S. Since I added a slightly larger magazine, I boosted the ammo count a bit. (That compact bullet thing you mentioned would make this more belevable) But you can't see the bullets... I got kinda lazy =p

Thanks for the helpful suggestions, thanks for your time,
-Sid

Sid · February 2003

Here's an old LMG I did.... but please mostly ignore it for it is a lost project. The main topic is the MMG...

-Sid

Liku · February 2003

The Concept Art isn't coming out nicely, I can't use the Mouse to Draw, only Color. So I'll need to find the price ranges on some Scanners.

Omega1 · February 2003

Yes, I'm 15. If it counts, I turn 16 in March <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

I just noticed something about your MMG...

I know others suggested the verticle grip, BUT, perhaps we just need to get a better standard grip? If you think about it, your talking about a medium weight weapon, and, if you look at the human hand:wrist:forearm, they are not made to support weight being applied to only the hand. Seems like it might be painful. I could be wrong. I guess it depends on personal taste of the author or the people he/she is making it for <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Try doing stuff by hand. It lets you feel a little freer (is that even a word?), since your not confined to the blockiness of MSPaint. That Sniper Rifle I did during school for two hours over a time span of about 3 days. It's easier to think something up and form it together if you gather your ideas, boot the ones that seem inferior to the ones you thought up, and then put them in motion. At least it works for me.

That, or you can also do what i do on and off. Start off with a little line. Not even thinking about what your going to draw. Then, just go from there. Add another line, a curve, an angle, anything. Things should start taking form if you let yourself go and let your mind do it. Sure, it might sound crackpottish (yet again, i make up words), and of course, it probably is, because I haven't taken any sort of art class besides fingerpainting in elementry school. Anyway, just find what works for you, and go crazy.

Sid · February 2003

lol. Truely good advice, thanks!
-Sid

Sid · February 2003

Okay, here's one with a forward horizontal grip.
Drawing guns with the mouse? Thats new, but whenever I draw with the mouse, it always comes out bad. And I keep it blocky because it's easier to edit, and to model,
I used to draw various animals with the mouse with okay results... I'll try drawing a weapon later today. Thanks a bunch, omega!

-Sid

Jim · February 2003

is it me or is the ejector <i>right</i> where your face would be? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Xanieth · February 2003

Yeah, it is. And that MMG must have some pretty weak bullets if that mag holds 100 rounds. I'm thinking less than 9mm bullets would go into that mag if you had to fit 100 rounds in it. The magazine shouldn't go half-way in, because in practice it's silly. Having it attach at the top instead of jamming half the damn thing in is a lot easier.

Sid · February 2003

Alright, alright, I'll fix it =p
But remember, it's an INTERNAL mag..

-Sid

Sid · February 2003

Okay:

-The ejecter is slightly sloped down AND on the side, so the bullets eject out of the oppisit side of the scope. So NOW you won't get smucked in the face with a steaming-hot bullet.

-I increased the size of the secondary grip slightly

-Notice how the clip is INTERNAL. if you look at the diagram it shows it's EXACT size. Ont he other Diagram beside it, it shows how the bullets are stacked. It's efficiant.

I also think that for mazimum impact of an MMG, the bullets should be slightly explosive tipped. But this is where I get an idea:

The bullet itself does maybe 12-15 dmg the EXPLOSIVE part of the bullet is meant for destroying any armour in it's way. Maybe 15 damage to health (depending on the armours current state) AND ALWAYS -5 to armour.

Just an idea. Now, here's the updated drawing:

Sid · February 2003

Small update... extended the stock, and touched up a few little things. And I'd like to thank the guys that posted the "Yo! Sid" Thing <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Belive me.... I'm not exactly sure HOW to texture stuff.... and It's good to hear that someone is attempting to model one of my "concept" peices(?) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

-Sid

Neptalid · February 2003

Explosive rounds wouldn't do too much against armor, especially considering the cost. I don't think it would be wise to use weapons specifically designed to pierce armor inside a space craft either. Anyway, I could probably take a swing at modelling one of these. The faces would be simpler, I was pretty disappointed when I finished one side of RoboCop's gun only to find that there was a complex hell of intersecting back faces I accidently created, but could not see because I was going over the same spot trying to fill a tiny gap.

Sid · February 2003

lol <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> Okay, so maybe explosive rounds isn't such a good idea... you'd honestly try modelling this? Really?! SAVIOR!! *hails* <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

But seriously, thanks A LOT! You just made my day! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

-Sid

Neptalid · February 2003

I make no guarantees, but I'll take a shot at it. I'm no good at modelling, but I think I could make the basic shape. Worst thing that happens is I have a mood swing, and don't feel up to learning and refining a new skill. I can start messing with whichever pic you want, but be warned that if something isn't entirely 2D I'll have to infer the profile.

Sid · February 2003

So, you want me to draw a too-scale front image aswell....?

Neptalid · February 2003

I was talking about how the scope lens wraps around, and how part of the scope itself is cut off by the rest of the gun. More importantly, which one do you want me to play with?

Sid · February 2003

The last (and latest one) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

And I don't understand what you mean about the scope. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

-Sid

EDIT: I see what your saying. But it's not cut off, it's attached. Hmmm hard to explain, but the sides of the gun (frame of the gun, rather)come up a bit on the scope and keep it in place. Maybe it's snap on-able...?

Delarosa · February 2003

i'm sorry, please forgive me.... but here's what i changed:

smaller body, just to add that sleak sexy look....

Longer Barrel, for better aiming....

Seperation of barrel and handle, it would heat up the gun itself, not just the barrel, so i cahnged that.

Colors, just smothed things out from what it was (in the jpg conversion)

PERSPECTIVE, it looked funny how you could see both glass sides of the scope, so i fixed all the hints of perspective, it looks
bad, but is still correct.

Longer Grip, some of us have big hands....

Changed Mounts, just to make it look a little better, there is a dual-level self-adjust strap that's closest to you, i can think of a few more changes that i'de make to the scope, but that's the only one i felt the need to change.

cut out alot of the white.... it's taking up file size, with no new content

hope you like what i did, and if you want to flame me, go for it....

Sid · February 2003

Oh my god... thats bloody awesome!!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
Thanks Delarosa!

Sid · February 2003

Mind if i touch it up just a smidge...?

Kamakazie · February 2003

Didnt you say You could draw by hand well? I want to see one of you hand drawings.

Delarosa · February 2003

Sid, why would i mind? isn't it your concept drawing?... if you want me to keep editing, just say the word... i can't make things up, i can only edit the h3LL out of things..... and SID... IT'S STILL YOURS!!!!

T_RAT · February 2003

Would be good if the barrel on top was a bit longer.
Front grip needs to blend in more.
Reload clip looks a little funny. [prob just me]

Other than that go for it looks good. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Sid · February 2003

Okay... Edit it as much as you want.... and you want to see my "Hand drawn" drawings? (this one's an animal, mind you...) and it's hand drawn with a mouse... PREPARE TO BE SCARED! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Mmg?

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