Counterstrike Causes Potty-mouth?
Scythe
Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
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<div class="IPBDescription">Or faulty cause and effect?</div> I've moved to a different city for my tertiary education and consequently had to give up my parent's computer. Now I’m stuck with a laptop that is incapable of running NS. I can only just manage Starcraft, GTA 1 and Moonbase Commander.
Anyhoo, onto the point. I've been forced to get my gaming fix at this place known as "The Bunker". Basically it's a big underground room with the walls lined with computers. All networked. On these computers people play CS.
Lots of CS.
Out of the hundred computers in there, every time I’ve been in there, about ninety of them are playing CS. That's the way of it. There's a few Diablo 2 players and the occasional BF1942 player. The rest were playing CS like there was no tomorrow. I was fortunate to come across a nice lad playing NS and I was able to be of some assistance to him in his gorging career.
Hmm... onto the point again. I have never heard of a more profanity filled place in my entire life. People holler almost every insult, vulgar remark and swear word known to man at the top of their voice, often when they've been killed. I've only one question: Why?
Does CS cause people to suddenly develop this extensive vocabulary? Or does CS attract this kind of scum? I myself played CS for two years before I discovered the NS forums and found the error in my ways. But I was never one for this kind of filth. Maybe people feel inclined to curse when they die because dieing in CS is such a big deal. You often have to wait around for several minutes before you can have a chance to play again.
Let the discussion begin!
--Scythe--
Anyhoo, onto the point. I've been forced to get my gaming fix at this place known as "The Bunker". Basically it's a big underground room with the walls lined with computers. All networked. On these computers people play CS.
Lots of CS.
Out of the hundred computers in there, every time I’ve been in there, about ninety of them are playing CS. That's the way of it. There's a few Diablo 2 players and the occasional BF1942 player. The rest were playing CS like there was no tomorrow. I was fortunate to come across a nice lad playing NS and I was able to be of some assistance to him in his gorging career.
Hmm... onto the point again. I have never heard of a more profanity filled place in my entire life. People holler almost every insult, vulgar remark and swear word known to man at the top of their voice, often when they've been killed. I've only one question: Why?
Does CS cause people to suddenly develop this extensive vocabulary? Or does CS attract this kind of scum? I myself played CS for two years before I discovered the NS forums and found the error in my ways. But I was never one for this kind of filth. Maybe people feel inclined to curse when they die because dieing in CS is such a big deal. You often have to wait around for several minutes before you can have a chance to play again.
Let the discussion begin!
--Scythe--
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But in CS it seems to be that just hostility in general is more accepted, if not encouraged. Since dying is a big deal, people get very, very upset about it. Most people also seem to be more concentrated on winning than having fun. As a result, insults fly. Even worse, attacks against a person's gender, race, nationality, or sexual preference is common place.
I'm a firm believer that the words themselves are not to blame for anything, but rather the person who uses those words and the context in which they are used in.
I just shake my head in bewilderment at all the effort that goes into censoring television, and screening the web for swear words. Aside from the question of whether swearing is one of our more pressing problems in the world today, I just don't understand where people are coming from in thinking that kids don't use or know those words.
My folks sent me to private religious school all through high school. I was a "good" kid. And yet, somehow, I was swearing like a sailor by age ten or eleven and didn't stop until the words lost any meaning whatsoever, sometime in my late teens. There was no fixed stopping point, it's just that after years and years and years those words are so commonplace that, while they can still make someone angry, have no chance whatsoever of impressing them or instilling awe. If you really want to insult someone with style, you need to work a lot harder at it then just picking the same old tired words. If I'm tired, or relaxed in the company of friends, or happily drunk, I'll sometimes take a trip down memory lane, but in the company of adults I don't know, or interact professionally with, I try to limit the profanity simply because it suggests a lack of ability to better formulate ideas.
The way people talk on CS is the way MOST kids talk when they're by themselves, if memory serves me correct. (As a buddy of mine who is teacher says sarcastically, "If you're not swearing by age ten, what's wrong with you?") And most will grow tired of it and move on. Pre-fab ideas get old after a while, and always using the same words is like eating nothing but Big Macs for every meal, year after year.
I think there are just some people that for whatever reason make it all the way into adulthood without being exposed to how most people really act, and think that the "foul language" they hear is indicative of some new problem or downward trend. I'm not saying it is something to be celebrated, but come on, it's just another dumb thing people do while they're growing up, and pretending that the adults of today weren't exactly the same way only increases the perception of a generation gap, when in fact we adults would be listened to a little more if we would just admit when we've been already been where a kid is today, so they would have some reason to feel like believing what else we might want to say.
As far as the liberties people take from being anonymous, I think the main difference is not in the amount of swearing, but in the amount of ridiculous posturing, arrogant bullying, and feigned fearlessness. The same people that act all "elite" on CS frequently are just average people that wouldn't even attract your attention in normal life. In real life people are a little less abrasive, because they can't hide from aftermath as well. But they swear and cuss the same amount, particularly as teenagers, but not in such arrogant fighting stances. They just **** about their homework or their boss or their parents or whatever, when they're not around.
On CS and swearing: I'm not overly concerned with the words themselves. As someone noted, it's the person who uses them and in the context they use the words in that I find disgusting. Particularly the word "jew". What does one's religion have to do with anything about gaming in general?
Since death in CS is mostly a one shot deal, it gets very irritating very quickly when you get wasted before you even blink, much less fire at whoever shot you. It's like paying for a six-pack and getting only one can; you feel that you've been cheated out of certain expectations. Frustration mounts and people try to vent it in any way. It ranges from using insults to acts of physical harm. It's sad that some people associate their online persona with their real-life persona and and an attack on the online persona is the same as an attack on the real-life persona.
Also the relaxed (well...if you wanna call a game of CS relaxed, lol) carefree environment around friends & non-athoritative figures means the people will be acting very loosely.
I played CS for some time, and I personally learned more trash-talking than anything else. Nothin like CS to make you cocky.
and when I play NS I curse a bit, usually when I die as Fade, Onos, JP/HMG. I'll type out the curse usually
"s**t. (Insert opposing team gun/species) near (where I died).
Except on a few servers, CS seems to be filled with jerks, for lack of a better phrase that passes the filters here.
Maybe it has something to do with the scale of the game? CS is mainstream, and as big as an NS community there is, CS is a freakin monster.
Slapping a child is NOT the answer to stopping swearing. If anything, it makes them angrier and prone to use the words more. I know, that's what I did for a period. The best way to stop a child swearing is to explain to them that the words make them sound very unintelligent. Trust me, I'm speaking from a 14-year old's point of view.
More on topic, I played CS for five minutes. I didn't like it. Not one bit. I came into a server and died within a minute of playing, which got me screamed at by my team, since, of course, your entire team is supposed to be able to play well. I'll never touch the game again.
Now given, this did not stop me from cussing amongst friends; especially when THEY were doing it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Nothing can stop that, short of having parents hawk over your shoulder. It did teach me to be respectful and watch my tongue around the elders...no argument there. They never used the argument "You'll sound like a dirtbag" to thwart my profanity.
When I'm playing CS or DoD now though, I don't talk like a sailor; once in a while on IRC when I'm having a particulary lewd conversation yes, but otherwise I'm pretty docile as far as words of mouth (or keyboard <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)go. I tone down my language severely when others are around; especially of the influencial ages (toddler to teenager).
I'm going to start incisting that none of you ever say or type the words "banana" "window" or "pipe" ever again, and if you do I'm going to change them to **** and ban you from the internet untill you die.
Rational logic... HA!
I'm going to start incisting that none of you ever say or type the words "banana" "window" or "pipe" ever again, and if you do I'm going to change them to **** and ban you from the internet untill you die.
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It's the simple principle of using offensive language or not. We're not cutting people down for doing it, just discussing what can lead to it or the lack thereof.
Would you <i>like</i> someone to verbally "assault" you? I doubt it...unless you're talkin dirty during sex, most people don't get off on being cussed at.
I'm *not* a fan of censorship, but I also think there are times and places to use sailor slang. Basically what you're saying is that you don't care who is around or what the situation is, that you'll speak how you want, when you want. That, chief, is called disrespect.
I just don't see the point, it's like a giant neon sign on their forehead reading "I HAVE A NEGITIVE IQ".
The worst word I let out when gaming would have to be "bloody" or sometimes, if I'm really annoyed I'll yell "SPOOT".
I heard this one bloke today who was saying:
" I F***ING OWNED YOU B*T*H! HAHA SUCK MY C**K I HEADSHOTTED YOU WITH MY F***ING AK!"
Can someone please elaborate on the purpose of yelling this at the top of your squeeky, annoying voice in a crouded internet café?
--Scythe--
I'm going to start incisting that none of you ever say or type the words "banana" "window" or "pipe" ever again, and if you do I'm going to change them to **** and ban you from the internet untill you die.
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It's the simple principle of using offensive language or not. We're not cutting people down for doing it, just discussing what can lead to it or the lack thereof.
Would you <i>like</i> someone to verbally "assault" you? I doubt it...unless you're talkin dirty during sex, most people don't get off on being cussed at.
I'm *not* a fan of censorship, but I also think there are times and places to use sailor slang. Basically what you're saying is that you don't care who is around or what the situation is, that you'll speak how you want, when you want. That, chief, is called disrespect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh really. Well maybe if you can't handle reading "bad words" you shouldn't ba allowed to play a game where people freaking MURDER EACH OTHER TO DEATH WITH BULLET GUNS AND RAZOR SHARP CLAWS. I believe Nintendo has a beautiful series of "Ultra Mario: Pet the Bunny" games that would be perfect for you.
Do these bad words make you lose bone mass when you hear or read them? I don't recall many people going into comas / heads exploding when they do so ither? So what the hell is wrong with you people... I'm serious?
Someone PLEASE tell me what is wrong with me saying "OH ****! The hive is under attack, come back quick!"
There IS none, you numbwit(!).
The thing is, we are discussing why people in CS swear like "HAHA SUCK MY **** YOU freaking **** NAZI", not why we dislike people saying that kind of thing.
Please present a viable reason...
And in response to Align, its emotion. CS players get into the game because they have fun playing it. When they die, they must wait to have fun again and this makes them unhappy, when they kill someone in revenge it makes them feel happy again. If you do something that they don't like, they become unhappy with you. It's very simple. These people just decide to release built up emotion in text and vioce form.
If you get caught up and downtrodden because someone calls you a bad word then youre emotions are obviouslt far too fragile to play a game with other people and I suggest you pick up a copy of "Ultra Mario: Pet the Bunny -X-treem snowboarding 7"
Commander Kittens, if you think that reagrding some words as bad is ridiculous, then please tell me why you have to yell "Oh ****, hive is under attack!"?
Why not "Oh kitten, hive is under attack!" or the afore mentiones "Oh window, hive is under attack!"?
Why do you have to use words which are commonly known as offensive in society? Some words are considered swearing and are used as such. Think about, it does not make sense to say "Oh ****!" because that sentence doesn't hold any meaning, when not used as swearing.
And to end this, if you can not hold back from using words which are "forbidden" or offensive in a society, you are simply not fit to be around people.
This has nothing to do with fragile mentalities, everyone here could easily swear you down with ease, but it is not considered a nice thing to do, see?
Now, on topic, I don't think CS is a cause. It simply draws a lot of people of that certain age, where, as already pointed out, people swear alot when no authorities are around.
I <u>AM</u> a drunken sailor, and I take offense to the casual way you characterize us as swearers. I do not use profanity (much) and neither do most of my drunken sailor buddies. Please do not fall into anachronistic stereotypes. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
If i'm playing CS/NS/D2 and I come to respect someone, then I hear them shout deragotories I lose that respect. Example
I was playing aim_ak-colt (CS), this guy was owning. I respected him cuz he was wipin out the T's every time. Then I see him say: "Haha you ****ing n00bies, i ****ing owned you you **** sucking *****es.
I hated the guy instantly.
i used to play it a lot
90% of cs is about score
you get people like say bob knight (yes i go to IU) but instead of "worthwhile" things say basketball you get CS
i have no problem with swearing.
and yes speach should be free but im sick of my sexuality being questioned becasue i refuse to use teh ak and my team is loosing
on that note **** you ****ing ****s im going to bed cause its like 4am
It's not about not being able to handle it, or being fragile emotionally. For me, it's about being mature and polite, and showing a little class.
Do you like people flaming you on a forum? If not, then why not? Because you're emotionally fragile? Or perhaps because it's pointless, insulting, and really unnecessary. It often provokes anger in others, even if they weren't angry to begin with.
If I find a server that's full of profanity, and it doesn't prove to be an isolated occurence, I move on. My time is too precious to spend with that kind of language.
As for CS, I would suspect that by the nature of the game, you tend to attract people that are more aggressive and hostile, and amplify aggressiveness and hostility in those that are already playing it. It tends to reward extreme individualism and ego-stroking for "owning" the other team. Yes, I know that you can play it with teamwork, and that's why I've heard it's quite fun at a LAN with people you know, but I'm generalizing here. Also, the popularity of CS means that more people play it, and thus you have more people over all that are jerks, even if the nice person to jerk ratio is the same as other games, although I strongly suspect it is not...
Just some thoughts,
Twilight
Sry this discussion was so stupid i had to write that.
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