What is there to learn to play CS? Some of the simple ones:
Buy menu. (Not in NS) Hit box areas. (Not in NS) Recoil for different Weapons More weapons to learn More maps
Commander may be more difficult, but the rest of the game is not, at least not to me. In both games you can jump into it and run around shooting if you want.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In both games you can jump into it and run around shooting if you want. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Going Rambo u mean? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--coil+Mar 4 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Mar 4 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd love to see Sonic & some other SEGA characters in the next Smash Brothers game. Wonder if SEGA could be talked into it. (: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Unless I'm mistaken, Nintendo now OWNS Sega. There's already a Sonic game for the GC, along with Super Monkey Ball. I'd say Sonic and Tails and the gang will more than likely be in the next SSB game. I can't wait <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Larry Flynt+Mar 4 2003, 02:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Larry Flynt @ Mar 4 2003, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In both games you can jump into it and run around shooting if you want. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Going Rambo u mean? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No. I mean getting into the game and doing just the basics, i.e.; shooting things.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In both games you can jump into it and run around shooting if you want. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhhh no... NS is strictly a team a game. It literally forces you to.
<!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Mar 4 2003, 09:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Mar 4 2003, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No. I mean getting into the game and doing just the basics, i.e.; shooting things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, but basics are basics...NS is a team stragety game. CS is a team death match, where the only stragety is to aim for the head.
CS does have the potential to be a strategic game - diversionary tactics, flanking maneuvers, delaying actions, that sort of thing. Sadly, though, it works in a "team deathmatch" mode just as well, and that's the level most people choose to play it at. I've been on servers where people complained that planting the bomb or rescuing hostages was lame, presumably because it cut the deathmatch short. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
There was a brief glorious period just after voice comm was added when everyone suddenly learned the glory of using communication to act like a team. Eventually the novelty wore off and people went back to deathmatching.
<!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Mar 4 2003, 10:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Mar 4 2003, 10:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you play at a certain level in CS then it forces you to play as a team also. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you mean with CS players with more than 2 brain cells? OMG! where can i find these rare players! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Da_SargeOld School SuckJoin Date: 2002-10-15Member: 1502Members
Hey supernorn, wanna come with me on a safari to try n track some of these guys down?!?! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> But seriously though, I respect CS players, I respect the game. It isn't the most popular game out there for nothing. But if NS REALLY got the recognition it deserves, CS would get a helluva run for its money.
I really liked CS. For a LONG time, I was always playing on the same server, with the same people. We did what the game was MEANT to, IE : Terrorist were actually GUARDING hostages, or planting the bomb, while CT were actually RESCUING the hostages, or defending bombs site. It was a hella fun until the guy the server got shut down because of lack of money to keep it up. I tried other server, but I was amazed that GUARDING hostages or bomb site was LAME and UNL33T, or rescuing hostages and planting bomb a loss of time because all the litlle kiddie that rushed and died in the 1st 30 seconds can't wait to respawn and go die again in 30seconds and treats everybody of cheaters.. OOF. I realized our little community on the server were like Robinson on a island. I was not able to find another server like I was before.... For me, CS died that day.
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Nope. (Only making software now though)
But... Nintendo always did OWN Sega! (That's going back to the old school fanboy argument... ahh I miss the good old days... It's too easy to dis MS and Sony...)
Anyway... back on topic...
I still play cs. But I have a list of servers where I know the admins. I never go pubbin' anymore. Besides, unlike NS, I've sucked at cs since 1.4 (though I do good on the steam beta) and find it to be too much of the same ol' same ol'. (Am I the only one that likes the new CS maps just because they are different?) It's gotten boring. Either way, NS is much more involving to play and I'm not afraid to go pubbin' because I know my chances are very good I'll land on a good server with good people to play with! Plus, how NS makes old halflife <i>look good!</i>
And I can't wait for HL bumper cars. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I think it'll be a blast!
<!--QuoteBegin--Da Sarge+Mar 4 2003, 04:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Da Sarge @ Mar 4 2003, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey supernorn, wanna come with me on a safari to try n track some of these guys down?!?! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> But seriously though, I respect CS players, I respect the game. It isn't the most popular game out there for nothing. But if NS REALLY got the recognition it deserves, CS would get a helluva run for its money. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If BF1942 got the respect that it deserved HL and the mods that go with it would be long gone.
CS is different from NS. It's difficult to compare the two.
Their both intense, they both entertain.
The difference lies in the soul.
In CS, it's rush left, or right, and kill the entire enemy team.
In NS, it's build, tech up, assualt, divert, harass, advance and win.
CS used to be about planting bombs, or rescuing hostages. CS has in essence, lost it's soul. CS is good with a bunch of friends or people you know, but on public servers it's a virtual nightmare.
NS in public servers is somewhat better, the drive to win propels players to play at the very heart and soul of NS and this helps.
I do think that if money was only awarded for completing objectives that CS might, just might, get back some of it's lost soul...
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pass some of that grassy stuff in da' bag please <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
its sure as hell not dying (good lord ppl I know still play after freakin yrs).......but the most popular game on the net? phft
<!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Mar 4 2003, 04:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Mar 4 2003, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zhang+Mar 4 2003, 12:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zhang @ Mar 4 2003, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't mind that ns doesn't have massive numbers of players. NS is simply much more complex than cs, and as a result, it draws in alot of the more intelligent players who want to play a more advanced, teamwork based game. I shudder to imagine if all the cs players suddenly started playing ns... there would be a serious reduction in the quality of games on every server.
CS is a fine mod. The player base, however, contains more than its fair share of cheaters, lamers, newbs, and people who like to rambo. Back in the early beta days of cs, the game was much more enjoyable IMO. Nowadays I can't make more than a headshot in a row without being called a cheater.
I play NS now because the players are so much more mature and willing to use teamwork. Sure, NS has its fair share of rambos, but alot of the lamers that try to play ns simply don't like it and don't play it. It's amazing how some people become addicted to ns because of its deeper gameplay, whereas alot of other people continually dis NS because they do not appreciate its actual design as a teamwork based game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You never played on good CS servers.
The player base of CS is the player base of NS. More the more intelligent people did not flock to NS, that is just absurd. NS is not more complex then CS. It took me longer to figure out how to play CS properly then it took me to figure out NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> aye. and you believe what you were saying, ya?
cs was complicated at first. not very, but yeah.
imagine having to buy the correct type of ammo instead of just pressin the buy primary/secondary ammo. and planting the bomb at any damn place you liked.
and figuring out whether the enemy was actually hitting you with all that hit animation. you can plink a peep with a pea shooter and he would dance like hes on fire on something. and even if his gun appears to be flying everywhere, he is still hitting you. man, i almost miss that feature.
it is fun. but it was a whole lot more fun in the beta days, when most players actually play for fun.
enter a good server, and an undesireble person will come along and ruin everyones fun. it will happen, i give it 2 hours. max.
<!--QuoteBegin--BarxBaron+Mar 4 2003, 07:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BarxBaron @ Mar 4 2003, 07:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and whoever said CS is dying, I say to you HA HA HA!!!! Please, it's the most popular game on the net these days. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
pass some of that grassy stuff in da' bag please <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
its sure as hell not dying (good lord ppl I know still play after freakin yrs).......but the most popular game on the net? phft <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I dunno. There are precious few games that have 100,000 people playing them at 3 in the afternoon PST. It definitely gets the crown for most played FPS at any one time. I think it's in the running for most played game at anyone time. As to player bases that's hard to say. CS sold 1-2 million copies I believe. That doesn't include Half-Life sales. The question is of course how many are still playing. By all appearances, it still has quite the following. I'd be shocked if there are 100,000 Evercrack players on at one time. Of course I've been shocked many times in my life(who woulda guessed Milli Vanilli were lip-syncing?)
Very cool pic by the way, but what the hell are the T's doing in CT spawn on de_dust? The Onos is coming for the T spawn direction! It makes no sense, did the Onos start out as T and turn on them or did a 5.000 pound cow/hino/elephant manage to flank them?
<!--QuoteBegin--Rabid Llama+Mar 4 2003, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rabid Llama @ Mar 4 2003, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Unless I'm mistaken, Nintendo now OWNS Sega. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> oh! so thats why sega makes games for xbox and playstation..
no one owns sega, although microsoft and ea i think have attempted to buy major parts of it,
p.s. my opinion, having been big into online fps since quake 2, is that CS brought in a lot of relatively uncultured players as far as pc gaming goes. cs is pretty big at my school, people have servers up and all, but man, their knowledge of any other games other than CS is very limited. it seems to attracts the idiots of the gaming world. good luck getting one of them to play some OSP quake 3 to see what real skill is.
<!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Mar 5 2003, 02:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Mar 5 2003, 02:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I encounter much more morons in NS then in CS.
Very cool pic by the way, but what the hell are the T's doing in CT spawn on de_dust? The Onos is coming for the T spawn direction! It makes no sense, did the Onos start out as T and turn on them or did a 5.000 pound cow/hino/elephant manage to flank them? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well i'm sorry i'm not a l337 CS player like you... i play NS all the time and love messing around with HL model viewer... see, this is what happened...
right at start of the game, the T's rushed to the CT spawn...
there was only three CT's: one rushed the T spawn (but found no T's cuz they were all rushing already), one went gorge and capped a few res nodes and two hives (after much webbing and keeping the T's away) and the last one ran around marine spawn cuz he was a n00b and didn't know what to do...
After the gorge capped the third hive, he proceeded making movement and sensory chambers...
the rusher that found no T's in T spawn found that he had a ton of res and went onos. after he was done evolving, he upgraded cloaking and celerity so he was fast.
the T's got sick of waiting for the CT's and decided to rush the CT spawn again for the last time. little did they know that they passed right by the cloaked onos. then the onos used charge and blew them all away.
the CT that is shooting at the onos (first person view) is the n00b who didn't know what he was doing so he kept shooting the onos... cuz he's a n00b.
Hating all CS players is an absurd attitude. It's childish and petty. CS and CSers have valuable things to add to this and other gaming communities. Odds are someone who plays CS does not play CS exclusively. (I know I don't.)
I've played CS for quite some time, and I've found that very few people cheat, considering the number of people you play with in a given session. Most servers are intolerant when it comes to cheating. Any decent server op will ban a cheater. Pretty soon the server will get a reputation (like HomeLan) for being high quality. Petty hackers will probably avoid those places. (Would you want to risk the ability to play on any HomeLan server?) Learn to play in high quality servers, and you eliminate most of the experiences you have with cheating.
Perhaps you've had bad experiences with CS. It can be frustrating. It is a very difficult game to learn. (To those who say, "It's just shooting!!", I reply that NS is "just building.") There is a complexity in the game that most players don't realize for quite some time. Learning balance every weapons strengths and weaknesses takes a large amount of time. Learning to use sound to put yourself behind your enemy every time? That can take even longer. Trying to compare the two games' complexities is a waste of time. Without a large amount of experience in both games, you really aren't in a position to have an opinion in this dept. anyways. Both games are simple to players who play them that way. Good players, however, dive deep into the game and make some really amazingly complex things happen.
So many people are so eager to set NS apart from CS. I simply don't understand why. True, they are different mods... of the same game. I think CS can help set usefull benchmarks -- they we're here at one point too. They had their time to make their choices, can't we learn from their experience? I can think of several things CS has that I wish NS had. (More articulate models, for one...) Don't try to segregate NS from other HL mods because you need to feel elite. Don't say "this mod is better because it is an RTS or FPS or RPG" because you are simply expressing your opinion -- not a truth set in stone.
Argh... I'm just so frustrated by all this needless aggression and strife. When will people learn to preface their posts with "Here's an opinion." Or maybe even "I believe...." If all you are going to do is assert that you are better than <b><i>every</i></b> CS player because you play NS, then I'd rather you didn't. I'd like to see something productive come out of you instead.
Hating all CS players is an absurd attitude. It's childish and petty. CS and CSers have valuable things to add to this and other gaming communities. Odds are someone who plays CS does not play CS exclusively. (I know I don't.)
I've played CS for quite some time, and I've found that very few people cheat, considering the number of people you play with in a given session. Most servers are intolerant when it comes to cheating. Any decent server op will ban a cheater. Pretty soon the server will get a reputation (like HomeLan) for being high quality. Petty hackers will probably avoid those places. (Would you want to risk the ability to play on any HomeLan server?) Learn to play in high quality servers, and you eliminate most of the experiences you have with cheating.
Perhaps you've had bad experiences with CS. It can be frustrating. It is a very difficult game to learn. (To those who say, "It's just shooting!!", I reply that NS is "just building.") There is a complexity in the game that most players don't realize for quite some time. Learning balance every weapons strengths and weaknesses takes a large amount of time. Learning to use sound to put yourself behind your enemy every time? That can take even longer. Trying to compare the two games' complexities is a waste of time. Without a large amount of experience in both games, you really aren't in a position to have an opinion in this dept. anyways. Both games are simple to players who play them that way. Good players, however, dive deep into the game and make some really amazingly complex things happen.
So many people are so eager to set NS apart from CS. I simply don't understand why. True, they are different mods... of the same game. I think CS can help set usefull benchmarks -- they we're here at one point too. They had their time to make their choices, can't we learn from their experience? I can think of several things CS has that I wish NS had. (More articulate models, for one...) Don't try to segregate NS from other HL mods because you need to feel elite. Don't say "this mod is better because it is an RTS or FPS or RPG" because you are simply expressing your opinion -- not a truth set in stone.
Argh... I'm just so frustrated by all this needless aggression and strife. When will people learn to preface their posts with "Here's an opinion." Or maybe even "I believe...." If all you are going to do is assert that you are better than <b><i>every</i></b> CS player because you play NS, then I'd rather you didn't. I'd like to see something productive come out of you instead. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What he said.
Hating all CS players is an absurd attitude. It's childish and petty. CS and CSers have valuable things to add to this and other gaming communities. Odds are someone who plays CS does not play CS exclusively. (I know I don't.)
I've played CS for quite some time, and I've found that very few people cheat, considering the number of people you play with in a given session. Most servers are intolerant when it comes to cheating. Any decent server op will ban a cheater. Pretty soon the server will get a reputation (like HomeLan) for being high quality. Petty hackers will probably avoid those places. (Would you want to risk the ability to play on any HomeLan server?) Learn to play in high quality servers, and you eliminate most of the experiences you have with cheating.
Perhaps you've had bad experiences with CS. It can be frustrating. It is a very difficult game to learn. (To those who say, "It's just shooting!!", I reply that NS is "just building.") There is a complexity in the game that most players don't realize for quite some time. Learning balance every weapons strengths and weaknesses takes a large amount of time. Learning to use sound to put yourself behind your enemy every time? That can take even longer. Trying to compare the two games' complexities is a waste of time. Without a large amount of experience in both games, you really aren't in a position to have an opinion in this dept. anyways. Both games are simple to players who play them that way. Good players, however, dive deep into the game and make some really amazingly complex things happen.
So many people are so eager to set NS apart from CS. I simply don't understand why. True, they are different mods... of the same game. I think CS can help set usefull benchmarks -- they we're here at one point too. They had their time to make their choices, can't we learn from their experience? I can think of several things CS has that I wish NS had. (More articulate models, for one...) Don't try to segregate NS from other HL mods because you need to feel elite. Don't say "this mod is better because it is an RTS or FPS or RPG" because you are simply expressing your opinion -- not a truth set in stone.
Argh... I'm just so frustrated by all this needless aggression and strife. When will people learn to preface their posts with "Here's an opinion." Or maybe even "I believe...." If all you are going to do is assert that you are better than <b><i>every</i></b> CS player because you play NS, then I'd rather you didn't. I'd like to see something productive come out of you instead. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What he said. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What he said!
Sorry. Just my allergy to massive quotes... curse you dial-up!
Strange that this started off as a thread regarding quite a clever PoTD and degenerated into a slightly odd (but supposedly inevitable) "OMG CS/NS *insert daftness here*"-styled continuation... That said, I actually laughed at that Onos pic. I would've loved to have had that thing on my side back in the day...
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I do not find NS to be more complex then CS.
What is there to learn to play CS? Some of the simple ones:
Buy menu. (Not in NS)
Hit box areas. (Not in NS)
Recoil for different Weapons
More weapons to learn
More maps
Commander may be more difficult, but the rest of the game is not, at least not to me. In both games you can jump into it and run around shooting if you want.
Going Rambo u mean? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
Unless I'm mistaken, Nintendo now OWNS Sega. There's already a Sonic game for the GC, along with Super Monkey Ball. I'd say Sonic and Tails and the gang will more than likely be in the next SSB game. I can't wait <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Going Rambo u mean? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No. I mean getting into the game and doing just the basics, i.e.; shooting things.
Uhhh no... NS is strictly a team a game. It literally forces you to.
Yes, but basics are basics...NS is a team stragety game.
CS is a team death match, where the only stragety is to aim for the head.
There was a brief glorious period just after voice comm was added when everyone suddenly learned the glory of using communication to act like a team. Eventually the novelty wore off and people went back to deathmatching.
As for comments like "NS>CS.... that simple" everyone has their opinions.
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you mean with CS players with more than 2 brain cells? OMG! where can i find these rare players! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nope. (Only making software now though)
But...
Nintendo always did OWN Sega! (That's going back to the old school fanboy argument... ahh I miss the good old days... It's too easy to dis MS and Sony...)
Anyway... back on topic...
I still play cs. But I have a list of servers where I know the admins. I never go pubbin' anymore. Besides, unlike NS, I've sucked at cs since 1.4 (though I do good on the steam beta) and find it to be too much of the same ol' same ol'. (Am I the only one that likes the new CS maps just because they are different?) It's gotten boring. Either way, NS is much more involving to play and I'm not afraid to go pubbin' because I know my chances are very good I'll land on a good server with good people to play with! Plus, how NS makes old halflife <i>look good!</i>
And I can't wait for HL bumper cars. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I think it'll be a blast!
If BF1942 got the respect that it deserved HL and the mods that go with it would be long gone.
Their both intense, they both entertain.
The difference lies in the soul.
In CS, it's rush left, or right, and kill the entire enemy team.
In NS, it's build, tech up, assualt, divert, harass, advance and win.
CS used to be about planting bombs, or rescuing hostages. CS has in essence, lost it's soul. CS is good with a bunch of friends or people you know, but on public servers it's a virtual nightmare.
NS in public servers is somewhat better, the drive to win propels players to play at the very heart and soul of NS and this helps.
I do think that if money was only awarded for completing objectives that CS might, just might, get back some of it's lost soul...
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pass some of that grassy stuff in da' bag please <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
its sure as hell not dying (good lord ppl I know still play after freakin yrs).......but the most popular game on the net? phft
NS is simply much more complex than cs, and as a result, it draws in alot of the more intelligent players who want to play a more advanced, teamwork based game. I shudder to imagine if all the cs players suddenly started playing ns... there would be a serious reduction in the quality of games on every server.
CS is a fine mod. The player base, however, contains more than its fair share of cheaters, lamers, newbs, and people who like to rambo.
Back in the early beta days of cs, the game was much more enjoyable IMO. Nowadays I can't make more than a headshot in a row without being called a cheater.
I play NS now because the players are so much more mature and willing to use teamwork. Sure, NS has its fair share of rambos, but alot of the lamers that try to play ns simply don't like it and don't play it.
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You never played on good CS servers.
The player base of CS is the player base of NS. More the more intelligent people did not flock to NS, that is just absurd. NS is not more complex then CS. It took me longer to figure out how to play CS properly then it took me to figure out NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
aye. and you believe what you were saying, ya?
cs was complicated at first. not very, but yeah.
imagine having to buy the correct type of ammo instead of just pressin the buy primary/secondary ammo. and planting the bomb at any damn place you liked.
and figuring out whether the enemy was actually hitting you with all that hit animation. you can plink a peep with a pea shooter and he would dance like hes on fire on something. and even if his gun appears to be flying everywhere, he is still hitting you. man, i almost miss that feature.
it is fun. but it was a whole lot more fun in the beta days, when most players actually play for fun.
enter a good server, and an undesireble person will come along and ruin everyones fun. it will happen, i give it 2 hours. max.
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I dunno. There are precious few games that have 100,000 people playing them at 3 in the afternoon PST. It definitely gets the crown for most played FPS at any one time. I think it's in the running for most played game at anyone time. As to player bases that's hard to say. CS sold 1-2 million copies I believe. That doesn't include Half-Life sales. The question is of course how many are still playing. By all appearances, it still has quite the following. I'd be shocked if there are 100,000 Evercrack players on at one time. Of course I've been shocked many times in my life(who woulda guessed Milli Vanilli were lip-syncing?)
Prosp
Very cool pic by the way, but what the hell are the T's doing in CT spawn on de_dust? The Onos is coming for the T spawn direction! It makes no sense, did the Onos start out as T and turn on them or did a 5.000 pound cow/hino/elephant manage to flank them?
oh! so thats why sega makes games for xbox and playstation..
no one owns sega, although microsoft and ea i think have attempted to buy major parts of it,
p.s.
my opinion, having been big into online fps since quake 2, is that CS brought in a lot of relatively uncultured players as far as pc gaming goes. cs is pretty big at my school, people have servers up and all, but man, their knowledge of any other games other than CS is very limited. it seems to attracts the idiots of the gaming world. good luck getting one of them to play some OSP quake 3 to see what real skill is.
Very cool pic by the way, but what the hell are the T's doing in CT spawn on de_dust? The Onos is coming for the T spawn direction! It makes no sense, did the Onos start out as T and turn on them or did a 5.000 pound cow/hino/elephant manage to flank them? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well i'm sorry i'm not a l337 CS player like you... i play NS all the time and love messing around with HL model viewer... see, this is what happened...
right at start of the game, the T's rushed to the CT spawn...
there was only three CT's: one rushed the T spawn (but found no T's cuz they were all rushing already), one went gorge and capped a few res nodes and two hives (after much webbing and keeping the T's away) and the last one ran around marine spawn cuz he was a n00b and didn't know what to do...
After the gorge capped the third hive, he proceeded making movement and sensory chambers...
the rusher that found no T's in T spawn found that he had a ton of res and went onos. after he was done evolving, he upgraded cloaking and celerity so he was fast.
the T's got sick of waiting for the CT's and decided to rush the CT spawn again for the last time. little did they know that they passed right by the cloaked onos. then the onos used charge and blew them all away.
the CT that is shooting at the onos (first person view) is the n00b who didn't know what he was doing so he kept shooting the onos... cuz he's a n00b.
That's what happened
Hating all CS players is an absurd attitude. It's childish and petty. CS and CSers have valuable things to add to this and other gaming communities. Odds are someone who plays CS does not play CS exclusively. (I know I don't.)
I've played CS for quite some time, and I've found that very few people cheat, considering the number of people you play with in a given session. Most servers are intolerant when it comes to cheating. Any decent server op will ban a cheater. Pretty soon the server will get a reputation (like HomeLan) for being high quality. Petty hackers will probably avoid those places. (Would you want to risk the ability to play on any HomeLan server?) Learn to play in high quality servers, and you eliminate most of the experiences you have with cheating.
Perhaps you've had bad experiences with CS. It can be frustrating. It is a very difficult game to learn. (To those who say, "It's just shooting!!", I reply that NS is "just building.") There is a complexity in the game that most players don't realize for quite some time. Learning balance every weapons strengths and weaknesses takes a large amount of time. Learning to use sound to put yourself behind your enemy every time? That can take even longer. Trying to compare the two games' complexities is a waste of time. Without a large amount of experience in both games, you really aren't in a position to have an opinion in this dept. anyways. Both games are simple to players who play them that way. Good players, however, dive deep into the game and make some really amazingly complex things happen.
So many people are so eager to set NS apart from CS. I simply don't understand why. True, they are different mods... of the same game. I think CS can help set usefull benchmarks -- they we're here at one point too. They had their time to make their choices, can't we learn from their experience? I can think of several things CS has that I wish NS had. (More articulate models, for one...) Don't try to segregate NS from other HL mods because you need to feel elite. Don't say "this mod is better because it is an RTS or FPS or RPG" because you are simply expressing your opinion -- not a truth set in stone.
Argh... I'm just so frustrated by all this needless aggression and strife. When will people learn to preface their posts with "Here's an opinion." Or maybe even "I believe...." If all you are going to do is assert that you are better than <b><i>every</i></b> CS player because you play NS, then I'd rather you didn't. I'd like to see something productive come out of you instead.
Hating all CS players is an absurd attitude. It's childish and petty. CS and CSers have valuable things to add to this and other gaming communities. Odds are someone who plays CS does not play CS exclusively. (I know I don't.)
I've played CS for quite some time, and I've found that very few people cheat, considering the number of people you play with in a given session. Most servers are intolerant when it comes to cheating. Any decent server op will ban a cheater. Pretty soon the server will get a reputation (like HomeLan) for being high quality. Petty hackers will probably avoid those places. (Would you want to risk the ability to play on any HomeLan server?) Learn to play in high quality servers, and you eliminate most of the experiences you have with cheating.
Perhaps you've had bad experiences with CS. It can be frustrating. It is a very difficult game to learn. (To those who say, "It's just shooting!!", I reply that NS is "just building.") There is a complexity in the game that most players don't realize for quite some time. Learning balance every weapons strengths and weaknesses takes a large amount of time. Learning to use sound to put yourself behind your enemy every time? That can take even longer. Trying to compare the two games' complexities is a waste of time. Without a large amount of experience in both games, you really aren't in a position to have an opinion in this dept. anyways. Both games are simple to players who play them that way. Good players, however, dive deep into the game and make some really amazingly complex things happen.
So many people are so eager to set NS apart from CS. I simply don't understand why. True, they are different mods... of the same game. I think CS can help set usefull benchmarks -- they we're here at one point too. They had their time to make their choices, can't we learn from their experience? I can think of several things CS has that I wish NS had. (More articulate models, for one...) Don't try to segregate NS from other HL mods because you need to feel elite. Don't say "this mod is better because it is an RTS or FPS or RPG" because you are simply expressing your opinion -- not a truth set in stone.
Argh... I'm just so frustrated by all this needless aggression and strife. When will people learn to preface their posts with "Here's an opinion." Or maybe even "I believe...." If all you are going to do is assert that you are better than <b><i>every</i></b> CS player because you play NS, then I'd rather you didn't. I'd like to see something productive come out of you instead. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What he said.
Hating all CS players is an absurd attitude. It's childish and petty. CS and CSers have valuable things to add to this and other gaming communities. Odds are someone who plays CS does not play CS exclusively. (I know I don't.)
I've played CS for quite some time, and I've found that very few people cheat, considering the number of people you play with in a given session. Most servers are intolerant when it comes to cheating. Any decent server op will ban a cheater. Pretty soon the server will get a reputation (like HomeLan) for being high quality. Petty hackers will probably avoid those places. (Would you want to risk the ability to play on any HomeLan server?) Learn to play in high quality servers, and you eliminate most of the experiences you have with cheating.
Perhaps you've had bad experiences with CS. It can be frustrating. It is a very difficult game to learn. (To those who say, "It's just shooting!!", I reply that NS is "just building.") There is a complexity in the game that most players don't realize for quite some time. Learning balance every weapons strengths and weaknesses takes a large amount of time. Learning to use sound to put yourself behind your enemy every time? That can take even longer. Trying to compare the two games' complexities is a waste of time. Without a large amount of experience in both games, you really aren't in a position to have an opinion in this dept. anyways. Both games are simple to players who play them that way. Good players, however, dive deep into the game and make some really amazingly complex things happen.
So many people are so eager to set NS apart from CS. I simply don't understand why. True, they are different mods... of the same game. I think CS can help set usefull benchmarks -- they we're here at one point too. They had their time to make their choices, can't we learn from their experience? I can think of several things CS has that I wish NS had. (More articulate models, for one...) Don't try to segregate NS from other HL mods because you need to feel elite. Don't say "this mod is better because it is an RTS or FPS or RPG" because you are simply expressing your opinion -- not a truth set in stone.
Argh... I'm just so frustrated by all this needless aggression and strife. When will people learn to preface their posts with "Here's an opinion." Or maybe even "I believe...." If all you are going to do is assert that you are better than <b><i>every</i></b> CS player because you play NS, then I'd rather you didn't. I'd like to see something productive come out of you instead. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What he said. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What he said!
Aaaaarrrggh.
Sorry. Just my allergy to massive quotes... curse you dial-up!
Strange that this started off as a thread regarding quite a clever PoTD and degenerated into a slightly odd (but supposedly inevitable) "OMG CS/NS *insert daftness here*"-styled continuation...
That said, I actually laughed at that Onos pic. I would've loved to have had that thing on my side back in the day...