Dsl Or Cable? Debate!

CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
Hey guys, I figure I'd like to hear a debate on which is better: DSL or Cable. Eventually, it may boil down to a final decision. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

My point: I think DSL is better than cable. With DSL, you get a dedicated line, so you don't have to worry about neighbours clogging up the lines in the middle of your game of NS. The only downside is slightly slower speeds than Cable most of the time. I also like DSL better because it's generally 30% cheaper than Cable in my area and much more reliable.
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  • ConfusedConfused Wait. What? Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12904Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester
    i will agree

    and add that the uplaod is far sexier themy 256/256 has 512/512 instead!!

    i knw ur cable is 312312234/127up but hah ha!

    my only problem is that my dsl only can respond 157 X per sec while ns does it at 400+ sometimes = serious choke!
  • ZerglingZergling Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9977Members
    i think whichever is cheaper (and works) is the best. For me, its cable.
  • Relic25Relic25 Pixel Punk Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 39Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Consider yourself lucky to have a choice.

    This is off on a tangent a bit, but where I live, I cannot get DSL (just <i>barely</i> out of range), and there is zero competition in terms of cable service. There are exactly two cable providers in Wilmington, and like mafia families, they have separate and distinct service areas. So there is no choice if you want cable service of any kind. This also permits them to do whatever they want in terms of rates. So now, unless I really want to pay $120 a month to Charter for the same bandwidth I got when I was in TimeWarner's coverage area for $80 (This is the total cable bill, including cable tv, btw), I have to make due with 1/4 the transfer speed for $90. Sucks, eh?
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited March 2003
    Hmmmm... I personally favor cable when the circumstances are right (low congestion in the area is the big factor, ease of billing since you usually end up with your cable bills altogether). The fact that it's always on is a plus as well, as opposed to DSL dial-on-demand. I also get about 2.5Mbit downstream, which suits me just dandy...
  • Sephiroth2kSephiroth2k Join Date: 2002-04-21 Member: 481Members, Constellation
    i like my cable a lot cuz its t3h best.. but i don't like the upload speeds... 13k/sec? =/
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    I would do some background research and find out which gives you more bandwith, and high transfer rates, cost less, etc.
    however if you live close enough to a major ISP/backbone (were talking yards here) then odds have it that you can get OC 72 by pulling some strings, and as of now it tops all
    (with oc 72 your connection speed is limited by how fast your computer is)
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • greyfox5greyfox5 Join Date: 2002-02-14 Member: 217Members
    I like my cable, everyone else in my nieghborehood had dsl, or 56k, except my friend, who is now making a giant antenna to bring wireless to all those 56k people (5 people) Anyways, I get no line congestion, at all, speed always stays the same, never goes down, (once, it did once) and its just so cool watching the status lights blink in joy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Luckily, in my city, there are three choices. Sympatico DSL (What I have, REALLY good), Videotron Cable (REALLY bad, service is down more than they are up), and Cogeco Cable (Never tried them, never will. Download cap of 5 GB, upload cap of 1 GB a month). Their service range is across the entire city here, so it's all good. I loooove Sympatico.
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
  • VimstlVimstl Join Date: 2002-11-28 Member: 10145Members
    Can't comment on DSL - but I've had cable for several years. Good bandwidth, not very expensive (~$40/month), and it's always there (very little downtime). The propaganda that cable gets very slow when all your neighbours are online is somewhat overstated by the phone companies. Yes, it's a little slower around the supper hour, but that means it degrades from really fast to just fast.

    I am in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, and routinely get pings to NS servers all over Canada and the US in the 40 to 120 range. I have played games on servers in the UK, and even in Australia once. Overseas pings 100-300. When it gets higher than that, I suspect it is the server, not the cable. I sort my NS servers by ping, and I usually get several dozen with pings under 175.

    Hope this helps. Maybe some of the DSL-jockies could post their results. If they are similar, go with the cheapest solution.

    Good hunting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • FlatlineUTDFlatlineUTD Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7695Members
    Everyone in my area (myself included) has cable right now, and the network congestion is just awful. Great d/l speeds, but I'm lucky to get 30k up. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    This fall, in my new apt, I'll be going w/ DSL for sure. I don't necessarily like it better, but it's about the same price, up/down speeds aren't *too* different than my current cable connection, and there will be much less congestion.
  • BigwigBigwig Join Date: 2002-10-27 Member: 1646Members
    I don't know what you're talking about CForrester, I never had any problems with Videotron.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    In my area, they go down at LEAST once a week, usually more with no reason whatsoever.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    On paper, DSL is superior to cable. But in reality, Cable just leaves it in the dust most of the time.

    I've had a friend w/ both, he got DSL first, and always hated it. It was just a bit faster than 56k, plus dialing in was uber dumb once you get used to the always connectedness of cable. Obviously the slow speed he got isn't normal but I do have a point with this: w/ DSL its kinda luck-of-the-draw as to the performance you'll get. Some people get lucky and get terrific bandwidth, but the majority have more problems than cable users and slower speeds, despite being a shared network...
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    oh and cable is cheaper
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    Broadband is broadband, whoever gives you more up/down is better. However the further away from the hub you are, the worse DSL gets, I was offere 256up/1.5 down on my DSL but I was 13,000 feet away from the central hub, the theoretical limit for Copper Lines (phone lines that are used by DSL) is 11,000 . I never got more than 5x up and like 3xx down. They ended up reemburcing me and they let me keep the modem.

    My cable gives me a steady 3xx up and I usually get between 2 and 2.5 down.
  • OnumaOnuma Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12428Members
    Well, I have 2 options:<ul>
    <li>56k
    <li>Comcast Cable (monopoly on the cable lines here owned by Comcast - no optimum online; you can get that several miles away though <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> )
    </ul>

    I think I'll stick with the latter. They don't offer DSL at my house, yet they do offer it a couple hundred yards away <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
    The township just added an $18 million US expansion to the High School which is in view of my house; I proposed that they put a DSL station there, offer DSL to the local townsfolk, and use the profits to repay the $25+ million spent on schooling expansions in the town (more than 1 school was modified) and any future repairs/additions to the system. Of course that's not being done.

    Is that not a sensible solution? This way the school would get free internet access for all of their clients, and the neighborhood surrounding them would have a wider variety of access.
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Flatline[UTD]+Mar 6 2003, 01:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flatline[UTD] @ Mar 6 2003, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everyone in my area (myself included) has cable right now, and the network congestion is just awful. Great d/l speeds, but I'm lucky to get 30k up. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm lucky if I get 8k up on my dsl, and that's when I've done the magic dance, and the wind is with me.

    To sum up: DSL=crapxor
  • SandrockSandrock Join Date: 2002-12-16 Member: 10905Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I have road runner cable. Some people in my major metro area have complained about congestion in the network, but I live out in the suburbs, so its pretty good for me. Rarely goes down or slows down. I get about 2mbps down, which is great, but only about 350kbps up.
  • OnumaOnuma Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12428Members
    *ONLY* 350 KB/sec up? Oh man you're so deprived [/sarcasm]

    I'm limited to 15 KB/sec upstream, ~270-300 KB/sec downstream. That's what happens when Comcast gets a monopoly on your town *grr*
  • SandrockSandrock Join Date: 2002-12-16 Member: 10905Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Onuma+Mar 6 2003, 07:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Onuma @ Mar 6 2003, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *ONLY* 350 KB/sec up? Oh man you're so deprived [/sarcasm]

    I'm limited to 15 KB/sec upstream, ~270-300 KB/sec downstream. That's what happens when Comcast gets a monopoly on your town *grr* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Your thinking kiloBYTES, im talking kiloBITS. Actually, I only get maybe 35-45 KB/sec upstream. And thats on a good day with a good, solid connection.
  • OnumaOnuma Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12428Members
    ah, yes this is why I specifically said KB/sec rather than kb/sec <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Nonetheless, my reasoning stands! lol
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Yup, that's what I hear. You hear about DSL is fast etcetera, but it's pretty slow sometimes. The speeds seem to fluctuate alot, or that's what i hear. Sometimes with DSL your creeping along. With my cable, its very consistent.
  • OnumaOnuma Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12428Members
    I play in DoD leagues (TPG, CAL, and UGL) with my clan (#fx), and for a few weeks in a row my cable got extremely congested at match time. I can't play in matches with a 350 ping where I normally get 50 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> That really got my goat, but luckily it's been fixed for the last month or so.

    For every problem cable has, DSL has another problem. Cable can be congested, DSL needs to be close to the station or signal gets lost and slowed...the list goes on.
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Onuma+Mar 6 2003, 07:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Onuma @ Mar 6 2003, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm limited to 15 KB/sec upstream, ~270-300 KB/sec downstream. That's what happens when Comcast gets a monopoly on your town *grr* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know how you feel, I only have 1 choice for cable in my area to, and lets just say the only choice leaves much to be improved upon
  • OnumaOnuma Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12428Members
    I didn't have cable in my area until about 3 years ago...and there was a waiting list that some people were on for over a year to GET cable! Ridiculous.

    That was when Adelphia had ownership of the monopoly, but Comcast bought them out around here, so they own it now. Adelphia's cable was 100x faster (literally at times 100x faster), but would konk out often...so we traded speed for reliability.

    Getting sub-30 pings to 80% of servers and 600 KB/sec upstream 2.5 MB/sec downstream was very nice while it lasted though <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    A few years ago, I had DSL, and was happy with it, shaw (the only cable company around here) sucked, had slow speeds, cost a lot amd was part of the dying @home network. When the @home network died, Shaw, a Canadian part of that, took over much of the infrastructure for low prices. Soon after, I switched to cable, and couldn't be happier. My average speeds have doubled for both upload and download (200-300lkb/s down, 50-100kb/s up), price has dropped drastically to $80/month getting me Digital Cable TV and 2 IP's for my cable modem (Canadian money, so dirt cheap American), and if we whine about slow speeds enough, they do split the nodes up to ensure good speeds <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    And yes, no limits, total tansfer or speed. They only say "Don't burden the network", which means don't download over 150 gigs in a month, a person I knew did some... tests <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • OnumaOnuma Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12428Members
    150 gigs in a month ain't hard if you're constantly downloading <i>XXX</i> lol

    But yes, that is dirt cheap <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I would like it to be that expensive in $USD lol, here cable access (1 IP) is at least $40, Cable TV is another $35-60 (standard)...jeez. Affluenza = expensive stuff.
  • SandrockSandrock Join Date: 2002-12-16 Member: 10905Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I live in Wisconsin, and cable in general is pretty cheap. I get good cable speeds with 5 (yes 5) IPs for only $40 a month. Standard cable TV (~60 channels) only costs about $30 a month. So that works out nicely. Now I just gotta get my network working properly....
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Cable.

    I have Adelphia, sure it gets slow (50kbs/sec congested times) but fast most of the time. plus it's always on

    plus the fact that I got Digital cable with it. and the fact that DSL is good only if you live less then 3 miles from the Hub.
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