I've got an impressive army of <b>zero</b> Dwarves that I'm currently contributing to the NS Army's cause.
Umm, I think I might need a few more. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Dr.Suredeath, I'd help you out, but that guy is too weak for me.
If any person around 30-40 starts attacking you, post here and I'll whack 'em.
The NSArmy's hitman... I like it. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm making my recruitment run through the list now, and figured now is as good a time to ask this as any:
Has anyone else noticed how painfully slow the servers usually are? Or is it just me...? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I realize the servers are doing a lot of processing for the ... (<i>/me checks number</i>) ... 2972 users currently online, but it's still almost baldness-inducing slowness for me most of the time.
<!--QuoteBegin--Dr.Suredeath+Apr 1 2003, 06:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr.Suredeath @ Apr 1 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Haha, he'd only taken 2000 gold for me. No need for all these commotion buddy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I officialy gave him payback... I swiped 9000 gold from him so far.
This beaver has plans for world domination... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
My orcs rule <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
How do you kill enemy soldiers? so far all i have done is take gold <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Exactly. When you start getting into the triple-digit soldier range, you start losing troops and killing enemy troops in attacks. Future information, Mercenaries seem to get killed first, and you can always buy more of THOSE, whereas regular troops require a click to nab. Little expensive, but it's worth it to just fork over $3250 for an already-trained merc who is quite expendable, when you have a thousand-plus gp coming in each turn..
Man I just came up with the best strategy (that probably all you know already ;D)
Just build up attack-duty dudes, siege equiptment, and weapons and the attack people 5 lvls higher than you. You get around 25000 from each 15 attacks (try to attack people with over 60k gold and a weak defence, spys are great) Then spend all the money you get, so when you have 0 gold who ib his right mind would attack you, unless to kill your troops?
Well atleast imo that is a good tactic, I'v only been playing for 7 days and I already got: 4 knife (5) 1 helmet (20) 4 short bow (10) a Stockade and Long Shields and 18 men, 1 is a attack-mercenary, 12 attack, 4 defence, 2 all-purpose. and 1 lvl 3 spy.
Currently i have: 29 dwarves (2 attack, 2 def, the rest all purpose) +160 to attack +300 to defend +3 unit production no spies
I only attack enemies that are AT LEAST 5-6 lvls above me usually around +10 from me. Rarely do I attack elves (defense bonus). I usually filter my opponents by the amount of cash they have (the ones with most usually have the smallest armies/dont play).
Mercs are great, every three or four clicks, buy them (any type will do) until you reach your 25% cap. Totally bloat your army and bide your time using the steady income to buy more weapons/armor/upgrades/mercs until you've got enough attack turns to do some damage. Then go at it and get your next level of camp and siege.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Helmets are a waste of money, though... do the math, and you'll see that Shields give the most return. can buy two Shields (50 apiece) for 5,000 less than the price of one Chainmail (100).
Also, Knives *used* to be the big thing to buy... they were only 1000gp apiece, and you could effectively get 25 offense bonus for the price of the level 2 weapon (short bows for Elves), which only give 10 bonus. Unfortunately, due to a few particular people buying 1000+ knives for a cheap, ultra-powerful assault force, those have been kicked up to 2500. :b
Save up attacks. LOTS of them. As in, over 130-200. Pick out six or seven relatively weak guys with enough cash. BEAT THEM DOWN ALL AT ONCE. Fast as you can, buy your next Siege upgrade. Also, do it OFF the ten-minute marks... that's when the global cash-stats page refreshes. If you can pull it off, no one will be the wiser as to your rather significant winnings, until after you've already spent them on stuff that can't be stolen/broken.
Also, save building up your Spy Ratings until you have around 60,000 to dump in at once... you can buy 20 levels of Spy Training that way, as opposed to paying incrementally higher each time you upgrade (first time you upgrade, it's the base 3K, no matter HOW many levels you buy. Next time, all of them are charged at the higher rating level... why I'm pretty much stuck at level 14 now. :b) Oh.. and don't attack elves, unless you're a stone bad*ss. That 25% bonus WILL step on you, as a lot of elves go 100% defense to slowly build up their resources. Only thing that will nail them is a VERY well-equipped army, a very LARGE, TRAINED army, or a Dwarf army on full-offense.
(Wanders back into his Walled Town to sit and enjoy building up gp, waiting to see if Comprox is going to try and attack him again)
Yah, I never attack elf, just not worth it. As for the spy thing, after you mentioned spies are good in IRC, I went and upgraded them to level 12 in the first go, not knowing thye went up in price, so thankfully Im not like you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> They cost 7K to upgrade again, so Im waiting till I have a big chunk of cash to waste on them.
Im getting close to that big attack thing for my fortress, Ive done lots of attacking, got a couple of longbows, a bucket load of shields and done a little more training <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Soon...
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Nah, I kicked mine up to level 14 in the first go. I'm just reluctant to blow 8K per level from now on, until I get something like a Stronghold with Dynamite.
Also, beware growing too fast. You may get stuck in doldrums... always getting attacked and having your cash taken, never being able to save up for a Siege Defense upgrade. Buy lots of knives in this instance, keep your icash-on-hand VERY low so as not to attract attention. You don't lose the money nor troops (of being attacked at a higher army-count) and upgrade your offensive capabilities for when you do the blitzkrieg.
My unit production is currently at +7. I've currently got 28 soldiers, but I could have sworn I had 26 yesterday. Nobody has attacked me at all, so what's on the go?
What time of day does it add these soldiers? Does it happen at midnight where the KoC server is, or does it happen at whatever time of day you first created your account?
[<i>edit1</i>] spent another $100k on unit production today, so it's +7 now instead of +5 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
as was said before, if you keep yoiur onhand cash low, noone will attack you. My first search paramater in attacks is cash. Then race, then the defenses. If you dont have any cash, noone will want to attack. Now to go make another 200k.
<!--QuoteBegin--Dr.Suredeath+Apr 4 2003, 07:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr.Suredeath @ Apr 4 2003, 07:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't think dumping all your money into unit production at the beginning is a very good idea...
You will end up around people with the same power but better seige and equipment.. and you became obvious target for easy money. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm dumping a lot of money into unit production, and my offensive bonus is decent (415/200 bonus). Also, I'm playing as dwarf so my attack power is increased anyways. So far, the only defensive upgrade I've done is upgrading to Stockade so I can continue unit production. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I don't finish playing for the day until my money is about as low as I can get it. If someone is dumb enough to attack me when I've only got a few thousand gold really isn't going to get much of a reward when they win. If they manage to kill off a few of my soldiers, my high unit production will just replace them several times over the next day.
Thankfully, I've got NSArmy to help repel the silly attackers who are obviously more interested in vengeance than loot. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--FeydToBlack+Apr 4 2003, 09:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FeydToBlack @ Apr 4 2003, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My first search paramater in attacks is cash. Then race, then the defenses. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My first search parameter is to single out the Humans, and then I see if they've got enough loot to make a battle worth it. Next parameter is to see how powerful their commander is - anything above 100 is most likely too strong for me.
Currently, I'm taking on any human army with power 60 or less (I'm 39) who has anywhere near or above 150k gold, and when I win I'll usually haul away 50k or more for a 15-turn battle. I should probably start using Spies soon, as that kind of money will usually grant them huge defensive upgrades that I'm not expecting to encounter.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Next parameter is to see how powerful their commander is - anything above 100 is most likely too strong for me. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just remember that they cant attack you if you are less than a certain amount off of them (half i think). So it dosent matter if their comm is oh so much greater than you.
<a href='http://www.kingsofchaos.com/viewprofile.php?id=412121' target='_blank'>http://www.kingsofchaos.com/viewprofile.php?id=412121</a> this guy looted 40k gold from me because of lag, could someone please get him back for me.
<!--QuoteBegin--FeydToBlack+Apr 5 2003, 01:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FeydToBlack @ Apr 5 2003, 01:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just remember that they cant attack you if you are less than a certain amount off of them (half i think). So it dosent matter if their comm is oh so much greater than you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Bah, I'm not worried about being attacked. Like I said, I rarely stockpile gold, and my unit production will replace any units that get smeared across the battlefield. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--tseepra+Apr 5 2003, 05:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tseepra @ Apr 5 2003, 05:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.kingsofchaos.com/viewprofile.php?id=412121' target='_blank'>http://www.kingsofchaos.com/viewprofile.php?id=412121</a> this guy looted 40k gold from me because of lag, could someone please get him back for me.
And he killed my spy! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Roger that.
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Umm, I think I might need a few more. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=509392' target='_blank'>http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=509392</a>
Comm, if you give me a jp/welder, i can take them all out.
If any person around 30-40 starts attacking you, post here and I'll whack 'em.
The NSArmy's hitman... I like it. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lets hit this guy... He was hurtin one of our dudes.
<a href='http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=491554' target='_blank'>http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=491554</a>
My link ^
Has anyone else noticed how painfully slow the servers usually are? Or is it just me...? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I realize the servers are doing a lot of processing for the ... (<i>/me checks number</i>) ... 2972 users currently online, but it's still almost baldness-inducing slowness for me most of the time.
I officialy gave him payback... I swiped 9000 gold from him so far.
This beaver has plans for world domination... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Its pitiful taking on an opponent of the same lvl and hitting them for 800+ dam, then getting hit for ~300.
How do you kill enemy soldiers? so far all i have done is take gold <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
And noone really picks on the guy that spends his cash as soon as he gets it.
The way it sounds, the smaller armies dont loose much men. The larger armies loose more.
Just build up attack-duty dudes, siege equiptment, and weapons and the attack people 5 lvls higher than you. You get around 25000 from each 15 attacks (try to attack people with over 60k gold and a weak defence, spys are great) Then spend all the money you get, so when you have 0 gold who ib his right mind would attack you, unless to kill your troops?
Well atleast imo that is a good tactic, I'v only been playing for 7 days and I already got:
4 knife (5)
1 helmet (20)
4 short bow (10)
a Stockade
and Long Shields
and 18 men, 1 is a attack-mercenary, 12 attack, 4 defence, 2 all-purpose.
and 1 lvl 3 spy.
Ok just one question is this good?
29 dwarves (2 attack, 2 def, the rest all purpose)
+160 to attack
+300 to defend
+3 unit production
no spies
I only attack enemies that are AT LEAST 5-6 lvls above me usually around +10 from me. Rarely do I attack elves (defense bonus). I usually filter my opponents by the amount of cash they have (the ones with most usually have the smallest armies/dont play).
This should speak for itself.
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Date Name Attacks Used Result
4/3 BlueStarMaker 3 Money Taken: 13046
4/3 plyr7117 2 Money Taken: 11090
4/3 godman 13 Money Taken: 60012
4/3 pharro 13 Money Taken: 34868
4/3 cagri 1 Money Taken: 7498
4/2 aedel35 8 Money Taken: 27658
4/2 theshowin04 7 Money Taken: 27537
4/2 Lord Talis 3 Money Taken: 7096
4/2 BigKoalaDaddy 2 Money Taken: 4202
4/2 Phoenix_MM 1 Money Taken: 1892
4/2 Arnholtmmkay 10 Successfully Defended
4/2 Poiso42 10 Money Taken: 22337
4/2 Kakstaaf 6 Money Taken: 12000
4/1 WILL I AM 1 Money Taken: 1217
4/1 jugge 5 Money Taken: 3542
4/1 mad_willsys brother john 4 Money Taken: 3349
4/1 bd3521 11 Money Taken: 5787
4/1 Aeris5811 1 Money Taken: 295
4/1 Achronus 1 Successfully Defended
4/1 Aragornas 10 Money Taken: 5157
4/1 Heinz Thorvald 10 Money Taken: 5261
4/1 boobieblaster 5 Money Taken: 663
3/31 WarOrcZ 1 Money Taken: 54
3/31 R3chinu 7 Money Taken: 92
3/31 R3chinu 13 Money Taken: 134
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Also, Knives *used* to be the big thing to buy... they were only 1000gp apiece, and you could effectively get 25 offense bonus for the price of the level 2 weapon (short bows for Elves), which only give 10 bonus. Unfortunately, due to a few particular people buying 1000+ knives for a cheap, ultra-powerful assault force, those have been kicked up to 2500. :b
Save up attacks. LOTS of them. As in, over 130-200. Pick out six or seven relatively weak guys with enough cash. BEAT THEM DOWN ALL AT ONCE. Fast as you can, buy your next Siege upgrade. Also, do it OFF the ten-minute marks... that's when the global cash-stats page refreshes. If you can pull it off, no one will be the wiser as to your rather significant winnings, until after you've already spent them on stuff that can't be stolen/broken.
Also, save building up your Spy Ratings until you have around 60,000 to dump in at once... you can buy 20 levels of Spy Training that way, as opposed to paying incrementally higher each time you upgrade (first time you upgrade, it's the base 3K, no matter HOW many levels you buy. Next time, all of them are charged at the higher rating level... why I'm pretty much stuck at level 14 now. :b)
Oh.. and don't attack elves, unless you're a stone bad*ss. That 25% bonus WILL step on you, as a lot of elves go 100% defense to slowly build up their resources. Only thing that will nail them is a VERY well-equipped army, a very LARGE, TRAINED army, or a Dwarf army on full-offense.
(Wanders back into his Walled Town to sit and enjoy building up gp, waiting to see if Comprox is going to try and attack him again)
As for the spy thing, after you mentioned spies are good in IRC, I went and upgraded them to level 12 in the first go, not knowing thye went up in price, so thankfully Im not like you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> They cost 7K to upgrade again, so Im waiting till I have a big chunk of cash to waste on them.
Im getting close to that big attack thing for my fortress, Ive done lots of attacking, got a couple of longbows, a bucket load of shields and done a little more training <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Soon...
Also, beware growing too fast. You may get stuck in doldrums... always getting attacked and having your cash taken, never being able to save up for a Siege Defense upgrade. Buy lots of knives in this instance, keep your icash-on-hand VERY low so as not to attract attention. You don't lose the money nor troops (of being attacked at a higher army-count) and upgrade your offensive capabilities for when you do the blitzkrieg.
My unit production is currently at +7. I've currently got 28 soldiers, but I could have sworn I had 26 yesterday. Nobody has attacked me at all, so what's on the go?
What time of day does it add these soldiers? Does it happen at midnight where the KoC server is, or does it happen at whatever time of day you first created your account?
[<i>edit1</i>] spent another $100k on unit production today, so it's +7 now instead of +5 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
You will end up around people with the same power but better seige and equipment.. and you became obvious target for easy money.
<a href='http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=535148' target='_blank'>http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=535148</a>
You will end up around people with the same power but better seige and equipment.. and you became obvious target for easy money. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm dumping a lot of money into unit production, and my offensive bonus is decent (415/200 bonus). Also, I'm playing as dwarf so my attack power is increased anyways. So far, the only defensive upgrade I've done is upgrading to Stockade so I can continue unit production. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I don't finish playing for the day until my money is about as low as I can get it. If someone is dumb enough to attack me when I've only got a few thousand gold really isn't going to get much of a reward when they win. If they manage to kill off a few of my soldiers, my high unit production will just replace them several times over the next day.
Thankfully, I've got NSArmy to help repel the silly attackers who are obviously more interested in vengeance than loot. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
My first search parameter is to single out the Humans, and then I see if they've got enough loot to make a battle worth it. Next parameter is to see how powerful their commander is - anything above 100 is most likely too strong for me.
Currently, I'm taking on any human army with power 60 or less (I'm 39) who has anywhere near or above 150k gold, and when I win I'll usually haul away 50k or more for a 15-turn battle. I should probably start using Spies soon, as that kind of money will usually grant them huge defensive upgrades that I'm not expecting to encounter.
[<i>edit1</i>] woohoo, 600 posts!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Just remember that they cant attack you if you are less than a certain amount off of them (half i think). So it dosent matter if their comm is oh so much greater than you.
And he killed my spy!
Bah, I'm not worried about being attacked. Like I said, I rarely stockpile gold, and my unit production will replace any units that get smeared across the battlefield. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And he killed my spy! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Roger that.
He'll be my first target when I get Walled Town.