My Ping Is Killing Me :(

Thansal · April 2003

lol, your right I have NEVER seen this tool before

wiat a sec

2003?
huh? (new MSoft OS that Ih ave not heard of?)

I think I will now go play with perfomn (lets see what I can learn <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>)

Rion · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Apr 1 2003, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yah, also go back to the same place you got that from (START--> Settings--> System--> HardewareTab--> DeviceManager--> NetworkAdapters--> theLinksysCard--> DriverTab--> read off the Driver stuff)

Oh, and MonsE, what exactly is perfmon? (never mind, just google ;D)  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
There isn't much there.. but I'll read it off for ya anyway.

Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Date: 7/1/2001
Driver Version: 2.12.507.2001
Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows XP Publisher

Hope that was the right info you needed

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

Well, that's mighty old, and not the vendor's driver, but we are nearly there. What we need at this point is the exact network card info (as the MS info is a bit generic, and Linksys is listing a lot of different drivers here for a lot of different cards). So, in order to do this we need to look at the card itself, and see what it says for a make and model. So unless you still have the box that card came in lying around:

1. Turn off PC and unplug the power and network cable.
2. Open PC case (and put one hand on the metal framework inside occasionally to make sure you are not launching bots everywhere)
3. Look at see on the card what the model is (<a href='http://www.linksys.com/download/driver.asp?dlid=2&osid=6' target='_blank'>Look here to see where it might be printed on a Linksys card, typically)</a>
4. Close case, put all cables back on, power up, and come back here. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Then we can figure out what the Linksys version of the driver is, update to that, and see if everything starts working all hunky-dory.

Rion · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Apr 1 2003, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, that's mighty old, and not the vendor's driver, but we are nearly there. What we need at this point is the exact network card info (as the MS info is a bit generic, and Linksys is listing a lot of different drivers here for a lot of different cards). So, in order to do this we need to look at the card itself, and see what it says for a make and model. So unless you still have the box that card came in lying around:

1. Turn off PC and unplug the power and network cable.
2. Open PC case (and put one hand on the metal framework inside occasionally to make sure you are not launching bots everywhere)
3. Look at see on the card what the model is (<a href='http://www.linksys.com/download/driver.asp?dlid=2&osid=6' target='_blank'>Look here to see where it might be printed on a Linksys card, typically)</a>
4. Close case, put all cables back on, power up, and come back here. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Then we can figure out what the Linksys version of the driver is, update to that, and see if everything starts working all hunky-dory.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Cool, I'll do that.

PS. If I never reply again it's cause I broke something :x

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

No prob... and looking back at your quote I seemed to have said 'launching bots everywhere', which was someone how typoed from 'launching static lightning bolts everywhere'. I just imagined that I typed the rest...

-_-

Thansal · April 2003

lol, man if I could spawn bots simply by suffeling around on the carpet

I would be one happy man <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

And good luck (It aint that hard, just intimidating at first)

Rion · April 2003

Alrighty guys, I opened it up but I couldn't see anything really without totaly taking it out.. I'll take it out tomorrow, or rather.. today.. once I wake up. I'll prolly post it around noon tomorrow. Just letting ya know I didn't mess up <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

messed up sleeping hours=fun life <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Rion · April 2003

Alrighty, I opened up my comp and wrote down everything that was on the card

This was on the little black thingy in the center
NC 100
Version 2.1

This was in the upper left corner
Fast Ethernet 10/100 Network Card
Modle No: 100

This was in the upper right corner
A/N PCB-E570-AA5
P/N E570 Rev. AA
Start: 2000/7/20

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

Dang - Linksys does not make a driver for that one. They rely on the MS driver. Have you done a Windows Update recently and seen if MS is offering an updated driver based on their scan of your PC?

Rion · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Apr 2 2003, 07:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Dang - Linksys does not make a driver for that one. They rely on the MS driver. Have you done a Windows Update recently and seen if MS is offering an updated driver based on their scan of your PC?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I get windows updates almost all the time.. but where would I go to get an update for the ethernet card specificly?

Hmm.. maybe I should just go out and by myself a new ethernet card.. this one is about 3 years old.

G-L_AngeL · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haunted @ Mar 31 2003, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh, and like others have stated, satellited is not a viable option for gaming, go for DSL, or cable, whatever's in your area.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Thats the problem, I have no other option in my area. BT Won't upgrade the Telephone exchange because i live in a remote part of wales.

And my 56K still often conencts at 28.8 *sigh* So satellite was gunna b my last and final hope

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rion @ Apr 2 2003, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Apr 2 2003, 07:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Dang - Linksys does not make a driver for that one. They rely on the MS driver. Have you done a Windows Update recently and seen if MS is offering an updated driver based on their scan of your PC? </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I get windows updates almost all the time.. but where would I go to get an update for the ethernet card specificly?

Hmm.. maybe I should just go out and by myself a new ethernet card.. this one is about 3 years old. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Well, if you run Internet Explorer, then 'Tools | Windows Update', and let it run the scan, it may offer up a more up to date driver for that NIC. Those types of updates sometimes will not be automagically offered along with other ones, as driver updates are typically considered non-essential, as opposed to say a security patch.

And if they have no offering, heck, getting a new NIC to replace a 3-year old one is no bad idea. They are so darned cheap these days... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Rion · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Apr 2 2003, 08:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> And if they have no offering, heck, getting a new NIC to replace a 3-year old one is no bad idea. They are so darned cheap these days... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Any names I should look for?

I looke dfor updates, I had 0 driver updates.

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

Well, 0 driver updates means... 0 driver updates available. Shoot.

Feel like wasting $20 at best buy? Worst case it doesnt help and you have a nice new ethernet adapter, I guess... I'm a loss at this point.

Rion · April 2003

it wouldn't exactly be a waste if it worked <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

20 dollars isn't much though.

Rion · April 2003

basically whatever makes me play this game that much better :-p You wouldn't believe how many games I've played where I've had that moment where I'd almost swaer my head off because I know if I could have just controlled the area better we would have won.. but instead my ping'll kill me.

Just this morning I lost a game because the marines seiged refinery and I couldn't stop them because of my ping. The reason was because it lagged to much, a phase gate was up and marines kept pouring through the phase as I was eating away at the TF's blind spot.. hell there was even 2 DCs on the other side of the wall healing us.. we got the TF down atleast 3 times before the marines just overwelmed us and I'd always be the last alive, while 3 marines would jump througha nd start shooting at me making my ping fly up to 400+ while everyone else is nice and cozy with 60-100 ><

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

Yeesh. Let us know how it all goes, this has become an epic tech issue at this point <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> .

DaK_mAnIak · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([G-L] AngeL @ Apr 2 2003, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> And my 56K still often conencts at 28.8 *sigh* So satellite was gunna b my last and final hope  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
How does a 56/k connect at 28.8? I'm asking because I once noticed (upon going through different internet software) that it said I was connected at 28.8. I disregarded it but now I think there may be a problem. I'm running a 56/k (which isn't really very good to start with).

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

Because with an analog modem you are <b>mod</b>ualting and <b>dem</b>odulating data into sound and vis versa. That chirpy squawk you here as your modem connects is the sound of it trying to negotiate speeds based on the noise of you line, the quality of the wiring, signal attenuation over distance, etc...

So it can end up just finding what it considers a reliable, slower connection rate if noise is preventing more data from flowing through.

Rion · April 2003

I can't get to Best Buy till friday.. I don't got a car of my own :x and it's a city away.

But anyway.. till then, is there any way to start halflife with just the bare esentials? Cause I wonder if it's a program running that's eating up my ping.

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

Hmmm... well, you can use winmsd to see fairly easily:

1. Start | Run | 'winmsd' and click ok.
2. In the dialog that opens up, select the plus sign by 'Software Environment'.
3. In the branch that opens, select 'startup groups'
4. At the top, click file | Export and save the startup info to a file called 'c:\startup.txt'.
5. Close this dialog.
6. Start | run | 'cmd' and click ok.
7. In the resulting 'DOS'-style window, type (no quotes) 'net start > c:\services.txt' and hit enter

Then post contents here of your saved c:\startup.txt info file and your c:\services.txt file here and we can see what can be safely deactivated or is a possible culprit. Or at least make fun of you having pr0n pages set to autoload at boot <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> .

G-L_AngeL · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DaK_mAnIaK @ Apr 2 2003, 11:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> How does a 56/k connect at 28.8? I'm asking because I once noticed (upon going through different internet software) that it said I was connected at 28.8. I disregarded it but now I think there may be a problem. I'm running a 56/k (which isn't really very good to start with).  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
The reason i connect so slow, is because i have miles and miles of telephone line between me and the telephone exchange. Because i live in the middle of nowhere !! Where they cannot be botherd to upgrade there exchange because only "33 out of 50 have applied for this"

i mean... JEZUS COME ON!!

I think BT should meet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'>

Rion · April 2003

This is Startup.txt

These Windows services are started:

Automatic Updates
Background Intelligent Transfer Service
COM+ Event System
Computer Browser
Cryptographic Services
DHCP Client
Distributed Link Tracking Client
DNS Client
Error Reporting Service
Event Log
Fast User Switching Compatibility
Help and Support
IPSEC Services
Network Connections
Network Location Awareness (NLA)
Norton AntiVirus Auto Protect Service
Plug and Play
Portable Media Serial Number
Print Spooler
Protected Storage
Remote Access Connection Manager
Remote Procedure Call (RPC)
Secondary Logon
Security Accounts Manager
Server
Shell Hardware Detection
SSDP Discovery Service
Symantec Event Manager
System Event Notification
System Restore Service
Task Scheduler

This is services.txt

These Windows services are started:

Automatic Updates
Background Intelligent Transfer Service
COM+ Event System
Computer Browser
Cryptographic Services
DHCP Client
Distributed Link Tracking Client
DNS Client
Error Reporting Service
Event Log
Fast User Switching Compatibility
Help and Support
IPSEC Services
Network Connections
Network Location Awareness (NLA)
Norton AntiVirus Auto Protect Service
Plug and Play
Portable Media Serial Number
Print Spooler
Protected Storage
Remote Access Connection Manager
Remote Procedure Call (RPC)
Secondary Logon
Security Accounts Manager
Server
Shell Hardware Detection
SSDP Discovery Service
Symantec Event Manager
System Event Notification
System Restore Service
Task Scheduler

They're the same <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

Err, the winmsd startup service list should just be listing apps set to start from the 'run' registry key and the 'startup' start menu folders. Are you sure you got the right output from winmsd?

Computer Browser
Help and Support
Server

...can all be set to manual, to recover some unused resources ('server' service only if you do not run a network in your house that shares files and printers). But that really won't help a huge amount really. It will help secure your PC a bit though. Get that list from winmsd, it will likely be more juicy...

Rion · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>3. In the branch that opens, select 'startup groups'</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Well at that step I only have a part called startup programs.. I figured it was the same so just went with it.

Rion · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rion @ Apr 4 2003, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>3. In the branch that opens, select 'startup groups'</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Well at that step I only have a part called startup programs.. I figured it was the same so just went with it. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
This is everything under Software Enviroment

System Drivers, Signed Drivers, Enviroment Variavbles, Print Jobs, Network Connections, Running Tasks, Loaded Modules, Services, Program Groups, Startup Programs, OLE Registration, Windows Error Reporting

Edit: **** I meant to freaking edit my post not quote it!!

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

My bad - should have been startup programs. It will kick out a list that looks like:

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System Information report written at: 04/04/03 14:41:19
System Name: 00ESP3QQ
[Startup Programs]

Program Command User Name Location
Application Explorer c:\progra~1\novell\zenworks\naldesk.exe All Users Common Startup
FWAGENT fwagent.exe All Users Common Startup
ZENRC Tray Icon c:\windows\system32\zentray.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

-----------------------

Rion · April 2003

I just did it again and ended up with the real list.. I'm pretty sure I did it correctly the first time.. but here ya go! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

System Information report written at: 04/04/03 13:55:43
System Name: VALUED-976296A0
[Startup Programs]

Program Command User Name Location
desktop desktop.ini NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Startup
desktop desktop.ini VALUED-976296A0\Deirdre Startup
Webshots webshots.lnk VALUED-976296A0\Deirdre Startup
ATI Launchpad "c:\program files\ati multimedia\main\launchpd.exe" VALUED-976296A0\Deirdre HKU\S-1-5-21-502627533-782189750-1497286466-1005\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
desktop desktop.ini .DEFAULT Startup
desktop desktop.ini All Users Common Startup
VAIO Action Setup (Server) c:\progra~1\sony\vaioac~1\vaserv.exe All Users Common Startup
IgfxTray c:\windows\system32\igfxtray.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HotKeysCmds c:\windows\system32\hkcmd.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
ZTgServerSwitch c:\program files\support.com\client\lserver\server.vbs All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HPDJ Taskbar Utility c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\3\hpztsb03.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
WinampAgent "c:\program files\winamp3\\winampa.exe" All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
WinServices c:\windows\system32\winservices.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
XupiterCfgLoader c:\program files\xupiter\xtcfgloader.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
ccApp "c:\program files\common files\symantec shared\ccapp.exe" All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
ccRegVfy "c:\program files\common files\symantec shared\ccregvfy.exe" All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
WhenUSave c:\progra~1\save\save.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
AtiPTA atiptaxx.exe All Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

MonsieurEvil · April 2003

Good lord almighty you are loading a lot of stuff...

Under your startup folders, you might consider turning off (and by this I mean moving the shortcuts to a temporary folder somewhere else, as a backup):

Webshots
ATI Launchpad
VAIO Action Setup (Server)

Then (and heres where it gets a bit more dangerous, so be careful) in regedit, navigate to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and choose File | export, and make a backup reg file in case things go nutty here. Then go through and remove all these entries (unless there is one you are 100% sure you can't live without):

IgfxTray
HotKeysCmds
HPDJ Taskbar Utility
WinampAgent
WinServices
XupiterCfgLoader
WhenUSave
AtiPTA

Remember, make those backups of this stuff. Then restart your PC and startup NS without running anything else, and see how things are looking. Most of these apps are system-tray 'save you some time' applets, like the HP printer one, the ATI utility control, etc. that you really don't need to be running. Is this PC a factory-configured setup, like it came preconfigured from a company like compq, dell, or gateway?

Rion · April 2003

IgfxTray -No clue what this is..
HotKeysCmds -No clue what this is..
HPDJ Taskbar Utility -My printer?
WinampAgent -Winamp.. don't know what it's here though
WinServices -No clue what this is..
XupiterCfgLoader -freaking THING IS STILL ALIVE DIE DIE DIE!!! (it's some stupid browser thingy my sister downloaded)
WhenUSave -ad spammer that hasn't been removed?
AtiPTA - Isn't the atiPTA thingy my Radeon card though?

cough.. and er.. where exactly is my start up folder?

My Ping Is Killing Me :(

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