<!--QuoteBegin--DOOManiac+Apr 19 2003, 05:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Apr 19 2003, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[tbZ]BeAst+Apr 19 2003, 02:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([tbZ]BeAst @ Apr 19 2003, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Heh I wondered how long it would be before "socialisation" cropped up. It aint an issue DOOManiac, theres enough of a network of homeschooling locally that they've made <i>more</i> friends. It seem silly to be forced to "socialise" with the same 20 people for a decade, no? If the homeschooled children you met were socially inept, its probably because a) it wasn't a priority for them, or b) they were SO far advanced from poor old you...... j/k <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Example of homeschooled ineptitude:
Driver's Ed, 1995. Homeschooled guy walks into a school classroom for the first time, with people his age for the first time. Homeschooled guy sees a girl for first time. First words out of homeschooled guy's mouth, outloud, in front of the whole classroom, are "wow, boobies!!!"
I'm not making this up. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> heh
We had a kid in our *state* school that would sing you a song for 10p, and expose himself to the girls for 50p.
I'm not sure that has any relevance tbh...
Oh, and thanks CanadianWolverine, I'm glad its experience talking. Reassuring stuff <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I expect when you think about it (or when you leave school, depending on your age) theres a lot you had to teach yourself on leaving. I was AMAZED by the number of people (male, and yes, female) who couldn't operate a washing machine at Uni. Or cook. Little essential lifeskills, that aren't taught at school, and are ignored largely by parents with busy lives.
When I think about it, I guess I have been homeschooled to a certain extent. Although I live in england, where public schooling is law, up to the age of 16, I have found it to be suited to my learning style and have continued on to the age of 18, (and hopefully past that, If I can get the grades I need <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->). At the same time my parents have passed down as much of their knowledge and experience as they could, or found appropriate, this has mainly led to me learning how society functions from my parents, and about acedemic subjects by the school. Both myself and my parents believe that my parents do not have enough knowledge to give me a good acedemic education. It would make going on to higher education far more difficult.
If you are lucky enough to have parents that are talented, and can therefore teach you many acedemic subjects, then homeschooling may be appropriate for you. My point is that it all depends upon your situation, and your abilites. If you learn well in a home enviroment and your parents can teach you, then its most likely best for you. However the majority of people are going to be in a situation where they either, learn best at school, or don't have parents that can teach them everything they need. Therefore government schooling is better overall, but I do agree that for some individuals home schooling is appropriate.
Sorry Jabba, state schooling in England is FAR from law (which is how I'm able to home-educate my kids)
The law in England simply states that a child must receive sufficient education in school <i> or by any other means</i>. If you don't even register your kids for school, the LEA has no powers, and no right to inspect you, or even to pass over your threshhold. It can't even investigate, unless someone (a neighbour for example) makes a report. Even then, you have no obligation to co-operate. If you pull your kids out of school after they're registered (e.g. because of bullying) its slightly more involved, the LEA can request inspections and curriculums/lesson plans etc, but ultimately they have to take you to court and PROVE that the child's education is being neglected.
I'm pleased that your parents have taken a hand in passing on their knowledge. Homeschooling is nothing more and nothing less than an extension of that.
And I thought this thread died down. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I mostly wanted this discussion because there are key differences that I have wanted to know. I am homeschooled, and I intend to homeschool my children if possible. I am also the youngest of four brothers, all exceptional academically and socially. Here is my point of view on the issue: To quote my father, "Kids don't learn social skills through public schooling, they learn peer pressure." The arguement of social skills is voided. Is is widely known fact that government schools don't discipline children for wrongs. And they don't teach them <b>important social skills</b>. I can tell you with out a shadow of a doubt, I have better social skills than any public schooled child in my town. In government schooling, you learn how to interact with peers. In the way I am homeschooling, you are <b>taught</b> how to interact with everyone. I am currently being taught by a private company through CDs; If I'm having trouble with a problem, I ask my mother or father if they can help me, generally they will. (My mother got her degree in teaching, she has admitted that this was the worst mistake of her life) I don't mean to generalize, there are always exceptions, I am speaking of the vast majority. There are always cases of oddities(DOOManiac and Beasts examples), but do not take them as everyday occasions. On a final note: My best friend is being homeschooled next year, he say's the only thing he'll miss are his 'friends'; he won't be missing the peer pressure.
Addition: Thanks for this enlightening discussion everyone; it is very interesting. Another addition: If anyone finds a hole in my arguement please point it out, thank you.
<!--QuoteBegin--DOOManiac+Apr 18 2003, 07:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Apr 18 2003, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No social interactions with other kids their age, no leaving the house, just staying completely attatched to Mommy and/or Daddy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> speak for yourself, please. i was homeschooled one year, on my own choice. i was tired of the bull the teachers could pull at the middle school and did everything at home. that didn't stop me from having a social life. slept in, woke up and did some things around the house, got my work done and went over to friend's house.
no, i didn't enjoy homeschool, but i still had a social life.
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Example of homeschooled ineptitude:
Driver's Ed, 1995.
Homeschooled guy walks into a school classroom for the first time, with people his age for the first time.
Homeschooled guy sees a girl for first time.
First words out of homeschooled guy's mouth, outloud, in front of the whole classroom, are "wow, boobies!!!"
I'm not making this up. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
heh
We had a kid in our *state* school that would sing you a song for 10p, and expose himself to the girls for 50p.
I'm not sure that has any relevance tbh...
Oh, and thanks CanadianWolverine, I'm glad its experience talking. Reassuring stuff <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I expect when you think about it (or when you leave school, depending on your age) theres a lot you had to teach yourself on leaving. I was AMAZED by the number of people (male, and yes, female) who couldn't operate a washing machine at Uni. Or cook. Little essential lifeskills, that aren't taught at school, and are ignored largely by parents with busy lives.
If you are lucky enough to have parents that are talented, and can therefore teach you many acedemic subjects, then homeschooling may be appropriate for you. My point is that it all depends upon your situation, and your abilites. If you learn well in a home enviroment and your parents can teach you, then its most likely best for you. However the majority of people are going to be in a situation where they either, learn best at school, or don't have parents that can teach them everything they need. Therefore government schooling is better overall, but I do agree that for some individuals home schooling is appropriate.
The law in England simply states that a child must receive sufficient education in school <i> or by any other means</i>.
If you don't even register your kids for school, the LEA has no powers, and no right to inspect you, or even to pass over your threshhold. It can't even investigate, unless someone (a neighbour for example) makes a report. Even then, you have no obligation to co-operate.
If you pull your kids out of school after they're registered (e.g. because of bullying) its slightly more involved, the LEA can request inspections and curriculums/lesson plans etc, but ultimately they have to take you to court and PROVE that the child's education is being neglected.
I'm pleased that your parents have taken a hand in passing on their knowledge. Homeschooling is nothing more and nothing less than an extension of that.
Going to the best University in my State and arguably country.
I am well rounded, and well educated.
I know people who went to "lesser" government schools, that are just as adjusted as me, and are more intelligant.
Alot of school comes down to the individual.
Mark Twain said, "I have never let my education interfer with my learning."
You dont need teaches or schools to learn. You need teaches and schools to get pieces of paper to go to other better teachers and schools.
Go out and learn. Better Yourself.
I mostly wanted this discussion because there are key differences that I have wanted to know.
I am homeschooled, and I intend to homeschool my children if possible.
I am also the youngest of four brothers, all exceptional academically and socially.
Here is my point of view on the issue:
To quote my father, "Kids don't learn social skills through public schooling, they learn peer pressure."
The arguement of social skills is voided. Is is widely known fact that government schools don't discipline children for wrongs. And they don't teach them <b>important social skills</b>.
I can tell you with out a shadow of a doubt, I have better social skills than any public schooled child in my town.
In government schooling, you learn how to interact with peers. In the way I am homeschooling, you are <b>taught</b> how to interact with everyone.
I am currently being taught by a private company through CDs;
If I'm having trouble with a problem, I ask my mother or father if they can help me, generally they will.
(My mother got her degree in teaching, she has admitted that this was the worst mistake of her life)
I don't mean to generalize, there are always exceptions, I am speaking of the vast majority.
There are always cases of oddities(DOOManiac and Beasts examples), but do not take them as everyday occasions.
On a final note: My best friend is being homeschooled next year, he say's the only thing he'll miss are his 'friends'; he won't be missing the peer pressure.
Addition: Thanks for this enlightening discussion everyone; it is very interesting.
Another addition: If anyone finds a hole in my arguement please point it out, thank you.
speak for yourself, please. i was homeschooled one year, on my own choice. i was tired of the bull the teachers could pull at the middle school and did everything at home. that didn't stop me from having a social life. slept in, woke up and did some things around the house, got my work done and went over to friend's house.
no, i didn't enjoy homeschool, but i still had a social life.