The Animatrix -robots
Duo_Maxwell
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4631Members
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4631Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">The chaos theory.....</div> Has anyone seen any of the 4 episodes? I just saw the 4th some 4 min ago and last of the free downloadables ones ( i did see the others also). Man that last fight...damned....strong machines if you ask me! Still it made me think , whill something like that ever happen?! It is possible though. Should we make a limit to freedom / intelligence of machines in the future?
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In The Matrix you see them use the EMP device on the sentinels, it destroys them.
Soo....why didnt they use EMP bombs during the human vs machine war? Obviously the machines didnt have EMP shielding, and even today they have bombs that will fry any electronics in an area.
In The Matrix you see them use the EMP device on the sentinels, it destroys them.
Soo....why didnt they use EMP bombs during the human vs machine war? Obviously the machines didnt have EMP shielding, and even today they have bombs that will fry any electronics in an area. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There really is no reason that an EMP should work on ANY of those machines, EMP only affects the current carried by reletively long lengths of wire.
This is true! It was in the national papers so there is probably an online article about it.
This is true! It was in the national papers so there is probably an online article about it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well obviously it's going to want to escape, it's prgrammed to GO PLACES!
for example think of the subconsious as the halflife engine and the brain as the NS mod. flayra can do all kinds of cool things, maybe even make a self-creating game. but that game will never be able to do things the halflife engine cant do, like break yer monitor.
so basically we put a hard-stop inside the code, say it can never harm a human, then say it can never rewrite that bit of code, and voila.
anyway, AI's aside, i would be more concerned with the hardware. robots today can hardly roll around and make car parts, they cant self replicate in any sense.
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about squirrels. why not use the enzymes humans use to make body heat. why not use chemical reactions to change food sources into energy. or take it a step farther back and use photosynthesis. or even easier, massive solar panels.
of course we "create" no energy. Energy is never "created". You think buring oil creates energy? Of course not, it merely releases the energy stored in the oil. We do the same thing. By respirating, we break down food and release the energy from it.
everything is an energy source. It takes energy to create something, and then when you destroy it energy is released. Therefore anything that it made of matter has energy stored in it, you just have to find a way to release that energy.
of course we "create" no energy. Energy is never "created". You think buring oil creates energy? Of course not, it merely releases the energy stored in the oil. We do the same thing. By respirating, we break down food and release the energy from it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess I have to break this down a little more.
OK the storyline goes that the humans scorched the skies to deprive the machines of their energy source, so they started using humans as their source. So where does this energy come from initially? Food. Where does this food come from? Other animals and plants, all coming down to plants in the end. The plants get their energy from the sun.
They failed to realise that <i>all</i> of the energy that every living thing on the earth uses comes initially from the sun.
Feeding us to ourselves doesn't have any injection of energy anywhere in the cycle. Even if they weren't trying to take any energy out of the process, it wouldn't be sustainable. Energy leaks out. There is a finite amount of chemical energy that everyone has stored in them, and that runs out/dissapates if its used for anything useful, or even if it isn't. Now they are trying to claim that they can use this downward spiral as a source of energy? Its impossible and ignorant.
2)IT'S A MOVIE!!!(and not the best of movies if you ask me)
I know I know I know . . . *sigh*. I don't fault the Wachowski brothers for not being physicists, but I wish they had done their homework. Would have made the movie more enjoyable for <i>me</i> at least.
anyways.
teh Matrix still pwns <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The first Law of Thermodynamics and one Law of the Conservation of Energy states that energy is neither created nor destroyed. While energy <i>can</i> "leak out", it <b>is</b> a containable energy. Keeping in mind that this movie is <i>fiction</i>, it would be safe to assume that the machines can, and have, created a way to ensure perfect energy transfer in their human-battery technology.
The first Law of Thermodynamics and one Law of the Conservation of Energy states that energy is neither created nor destroyed. While energy <i>can</i> "leak out", it <b>is</b> a containable energy. Keeping in mind that this movie is <i>fiction</i>, it would be safe to assume that the machines can, and have, created a way to ensure perfect energy transfer in their human-battery technology. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah yes, but according to the Second(I think) Law of Thermodynamics the robots would eventually have to pour all of that energy back into that same technology to keep it from breaking down.
The first Law of Thermodynamics and one Law of the Conservation of Energy states that energy is neither created nor destroyed. While energy <i>can</i> "leak out", it <b>is</b> a containable energy. Keeping in mind that this movie is <i>fiction</i>, it would be safe to assume that the machines can, and have, created a way to ensure perfect energy transfer in their human-battery technology. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If they could do that, they wouldn't need an energy source. It would require precisely 0 net energy to go anywhere. (assuming they ended at the same elevation.)
Energy dissipates from every sound that they make, every light spreading all that energy out into space, every bit of resistance in their wiring, not to mention actually <i>doing</i> anything, like say, sitting up, looking around.
In short, energy is neither created or destoryed. The only difference is that the amount of usuable energy is always decreasing.
Humans are capable of generating a minute amount of electricity. Our motor and nuero connections produce tiny pulses. How ever, that amount of energy is not going to be able to cover the amount energy needed to run the matrix or to feed the dreaming humans.
If they have fusion reactors, why would they even bother to use the humans? Coz the fusion reactors are cleary much more efficient.
In order to partake in fusion you need dirunium(sp?) there is VERY little of it on earth and it dies rather quickly.
Yes a whale would give off more heat then a human would...BUT
Rules of physics apply to SURFACE AREA what has more surface area per unit? well take a look at it. a human has legs arms head body...the whake has body and fins, now you get enough humans to equal a whales mass you would have MILES of surface area compared to a entire whale...thus giving off more HEAT.
Simple Physics...once you get past physics your intelligance level goes through the roof.
Plus if one of us dies (whooose) through the shoot and out you go.
Im pretty sure the machines know what they are doing.
Anyway, what happens when you blot out the sun? Simple. Plants die out first, then animals start dying out. The sheer mass of rotting organic matter is itself an energy source. Simply scoop the crud up, process it a bit, then feed it into the nearest human. He produces heat which is then (presumably) converted into energy using thermocouples.
Add to that that the machines can use wind water and fusion, and you should have a decent power arrangement without the sun. Of course, it cant last forever, so the sun must be restored at some point along the line but I take it that the machines have their plans for that...