1.1 And Me

HauntedHaunted Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14178Members
I'm reading all the topics for the Beta Discussion, and all I can hear is Monse whining of their being empty servers.

Let ME be a playtester. Obviously, there is room for more. I really want to do a gorge rush before they're ineviabltied nerfed.

Ah well, I can dream...
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  • PegePege Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10088Members
    Heh-heh. Him having a bad day maybe?

    1, 2, 3... Topic still not locked. Weird.
  • PegenatorPegenator Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11269Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Please, don't send any more playtesting or veteran requests.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thank you for reading official NS news. Have a nice day.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited June 2003
    There are 221 people with access to play NS 1.1 (including 160 veterans). At any given time we have 3 servers up, but sometimes as many as 5. Most of the time, they are all empty, although the FoR server will sometimes be around 1/2 full (10-14 players), and Boob's server also often has players shortly after an update releases (and then no more until the next one). I monitor the servers all day via gametiger, so I can back these stats up fairly well. School is out, so 98% of the players don't have that as a day-to-day reason to miss playtests or not play. I know there are other commitments out there, but the dev team is made up of people with full time jobs and families, and we find time to play pretty often, not to mention work on the development process itself for the past 2 years, when I couldn't get a million CS/TFC/DOD fans to notice NS if I paid them.

    I am not singling out any single person, and if you are someone who plays alot, ignore this post. But it is getting very irritating to have dozens of posts in the forums asking about when NS 1.1 is going to come out, or what's taking so long balancing it. The lack of participation is killing the development process.
  • eggmaceggmac Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14246Members
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I agree (and that's no small thing, if you saw how eggmac and I used to disagree in the discussion forums! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ).
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    I think we all know the solution to this: Make <b>me</b> a playtester!... Ok... I'll shut up now. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ZupiCoZupiCo Custom titles rule&#33; Join Date: 2003-03-22 Member: 14792Members
    He's weak now! Everybody, send your PT requests now! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    Hell why don't we make everyone a playtester, 0mG th4t w0uld 0wn!!!



    jk.
  • cr3amcr3am Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7221Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jun 3 2003, 07:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jun 3 2003, 07:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There are 221 people with access to play NS 1.1 (including 160 veterans). At any given time we have 3 servers up, but sometimes as many as 5. Most of the time, they are all empty, although the FoR server will sometimes be around 1/2 full (10-14 players), and Boob's server also often has players shortly after an update releases (and then no more until the next one). I monitor the servers all day via gametiger, so I can back these stats up fairly well. School is out, so 98% of the players don't have that as a day-to-day reason to miss playtests or not play. I know there are other commitments out there, but the dev team is made up of people with full time jobs and families, and we find time to play pretty often, not to mention work on the development process itself for the past 2 years, when I couldn't get a million CS/TFC/DOD fans to notice NS if I paid them.

    I am not singling out any single person, and if you are someone who plays alot, ignore this post. But it is getting very irritating to have dozens of posts in the forums asking about when NS 1.1 is going to come out, or what's taking so long balancing it. The lack of participation is killing the development process. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i didn't want to post on this thread, cuz i'm not gonna annoy anyone about PTing, but i don't think that's right... the people that are PTing <b><i>SHOULD</i></b> be playing more than the norms. 1.1 should be happening more often for them than 1.04 for us.
  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jun 3 2003, 03:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jun 3 2003, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> School is out, so 98% of the players don't have that as a day-to-day reason to miss playtests or not play. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    School is not out, at least not over here. Most British people are right in the middle of University, College, or school exams. And because of the university I chose, all online gaming is impossible.

    Of course, in 3 weeks time... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Quote by MonsE:
    [...] I know there are other commitments out there, but the dev team is made up of people with full time jobs and families, and we find time to play pretty often, not to mention work on the development process itself for the past 2 years, when I couldn't get a million CS/TFC/DOD fans to notice NS if I paid them. [...]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, you say that MonsE, but Flayra sems to be spitting out builds like a fat gorge puking up babblers. We've seen him produce little 1.1h/k, 1.1n and 1.1m in no time flat. The guys must be doing <i>something</i> right, empty servers or no.

    (P.S. I accept that I can only speak as a guy watching from the sidelines, but from what I <i>can</i> see, you seem a bit overly pessimistic.)

    (P.P.S. The title of this thread sounds like a NS sitcom. I guess wacky Kharaa-based hijinx was too much to hope for, though.)
  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    I suppose no one should be pointing out the irony in all this?
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    We did... Scroll up. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    So... many... responses...

    Fam - sorry, I was speaking in terms of US schools. I really have little way of knowing the school schedules of 180+ nations around the world. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Snidely - actually, Flayra kicks out these builds whether or not there are a lot of testers playing. He waits for a server to actually have some players (like last night), then makes dozens of tweaks and updates while he can during those few hours. He then vanishes under a rock again for a week in his mad scientists lab working on the code in a big-picture way. I would consider myself overly pessimistic if I hadn't experienced NS testing before any vets, many PT's, and most forum goers ever joined. The original PT sessions were a madhouse of constantly full servers and people yelling at me to get more servers as too many testers couldn't play due to full slots. So, I'm spoiled.

    I haven't had enough coffee yet - where's the irony?
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    You know... The fact that the PT's and Vets have 1.1 and they are playing NS less than us...
  • IcecreamIcecream Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16006Members
    any littel question: 160 people are Veterans, but 221 are PT. How the no Veterans get the Beta??
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    well.... 61 i think :-)

    OMG.. get normal playtesters, hello, were here, just let us play.
    I mean, im mapper (no funmapper) and im here... since a looong time ( i was even here in the old forum) i play NS since 2 hours before the release.... i can asure you i will play as much as i can (and this should be around 4 hours a day, weekends around 8-10 hours) and you can be shure im a serious playtester.. but well.. i dont think you will listen to me, but it was worth a try
  • ClefnsClefns Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16971Members
    i'm all for the 1.1 playtesting so we know it works good and everything but i'm not for the way it was done. the only active league has now died waiting for 1.1 and the main reason is: what happens when you take the top competing clans and give them all access to the next patch (sure they will be able to test it better and scrim in it), they will stop playin 1.04 or barely play it. And as for those who aren't testing "WTH ARE YOU THINKING!?!?!" even days i'm working i still get 1-2 hrs of playing at 1 am. plus usually before i go to work. heh i actually prefer servers to be a bit smaller cuz i can play around more and see exactly what i can get away with :-p oh and i've always wondered, why on some .04 servers are OCs 10x more accurate and deadly then on other servers? anywho that's just my input.
    -[TDA]Clef
    trying to be as active as i can in an almost inactive society
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    yep MonsE, GCSE's are happening all over the UK. (GCSE's are the "important" exams you have to take which determine your entire future. Why our entire lives depends on a few hundred sheets of paper is beyond me but hey? what can ya do...I am currently taking them myself. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> )

    why are the servers empty when so many people are testing 1.1? Maybe they are just testing it on a lan or something, <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    by the way this wasnt a "OMG PICK ME TO BE PT" thread, so just stop it now <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • IcecreamIcecream Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16006Members
    ok, i am not happy that i cant play 1.1, but i think its better to wait, because playing without bugs are better than playing with bugs!!!
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    or playing against Bugs... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> (sadly NS aliens arent Bugs... )
  • CowswinCowswin Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
    A couple suggestions/opinions for new playtesting options:

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33931' target='_blank'>Organized Playtesting</a>
  • DreadDread Join Date: 2002-07-24 Member: 993Members
    This just shows that playtesting IS NOT such a fun thing to do as many of you seem to imagine. Let's assume you get your furry little hands on 1.1beta and start testing it. You play like a madman for few days and then, you start to notice that OMG! It's not actually balanced and you just lost the last 10games as Kharaa because of some minor bug/exploit on marine side. You stop playing it and just wait for the next patch so you can test it out again. Ever crossed your mind that 1.1betas some versions might actually be even more unbalanced and bugged than 1.04?

    Playtesting is hard work, there are some great moments and lots of fun stuff, but serious pt:ing is just registering bugs and fixes and reporting them in beta forums before going back playing. Seems like currently pts and especially vets are tired with all that.

    I've playtested three games and it's....not....glorious.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    Well, it might not be glorious, but it isn't that bad. Sure, you have to put up with the imbalances and the problems (bugs and otherwise), but it's pretty satisfying to watch a game develop.

    Then again, I've only ever playtested for one (small) game, so I'm probably just misguided. (;
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--supernorn2000+Jun 3 2003, 11:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (supernorn2000 @ Jun 3 2003, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yep MonsE, GCSE's are happening all over the UK. (GCSE's are the "important" exams you have to take which determine your entire future. Why our entire lives depends on a few hundred sheets of paper is beyond me but hey? what can ya do...I am currently taking them myself.  <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> )

    why are the servers empty when so many people are testing 1.1? Maybe they are just testing it on a lan or something,  <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    by the way this wasnt a "OMG PICK ME TO BE PT" thread, so just stop it now  <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ahh, like US SAT's and ACT's and such, I reckon. Fair enough. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    And no, they are not testing on a LAN. The 4 NS servers are all that there are. Playtesters/Vets have no ability to run a server, even a listenserver on their own PC. We have h4d d3v h4x.

    And yes, PTing can be fun, despite what people say. Some of the best social times I've ever had were when we were playtesting prior to 1.0 release. When moleculor wasn't on the server <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> .
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it's not actually balanced and you just lost the last 10games as Kharaa because of some minor bug/exploit on marine side<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    do you remember 1.0 ? (i mean the realy first one, in the 1-2 first weeks) i remember that i lost more than 10 games in a row.... but it was funny, at least more than as a marine, because it was to easy.. i always cherche the chalenge
  • DreadDread Join Date: 2002-07-24 Member: 993Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Snidely+Jun 3 2003, 05:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 3 2003, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, it might not be glorious, but it isn't that bad. Sure, you have to put up with the imbalances and the problems (bugs and otherwise), but it's pretty satisfying to watch a game develop.

    Then again, I've only ever playtested for one (small) game, so I'm probably just misguided. (; <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I said there are several good moments but it gets old quickly. Or how else you explain those empty beta servers? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Jun 3 2003, 12:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 3 2003, 12:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I said there are several good moments but it gets old quickly. Or how else you explain those empty beta servers? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    SARS?

    I just like the way the game [I PTed] got sculpted, like a raw lump of clay was formed into a beautiful vase. But then again, I'm a freak.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Jun 3 2003, 01:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 3 2003, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I said there are several good moments but it gets old quickly. Or how else you explain those empty beta servers? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Don't make me give you my theory, it's not very nice.

    Grendel has informed me that he has big plans under way for PT. So everyone sit quietly and give it some time; he's pretty trustworthy and bright, for a limey.

    /me shakes fist at Britain and flings more tea into the harbor.

    <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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