<!--QuoteBegin--Tiio+Jun 6 2003, 01:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tiio @ Jun 6 2003, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the 1 hour vs 3 days thing: they explain that in the movie, sometimes the precogs see murders very early or nearly too late. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, and they explain it at the very beginning of the movie. Pre-meditated murders are seen several hours, sometimes a few days, in advance. Crimes of passion are seen only a few hours in advance.
What would this murder have been?
-Ryan!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you. -- Rita Mae Brown
I'd say Jason X. I actually laughed at some of it cause it was so bad. Pretty weird too. Jason and the other main woman get frozen in an active military facility and don't found for 400 years?! Some of the women look OK though, that's probably the best thing about it.
I only watched the movie once, and it was when it came out, so I'm a bit rusty. I had it all thought out when I saw the movie.
Sure, perhaps it was a self fulfilling prophecy. The Oracle did a self fulfilling prophecy that took only a few seconds, and depended on Neo to turn quickly. In the case of Minority Report, it wasn't a case of a few seconds. Throughout the movie, I wanted to scream to Tom's character to STOP LOOKING FOR THIS GUY. It was obviously a setup!
I don't understand why the struggle wasn't shown. Didn't the scissors guy as a crime of passion get a lot of time shown? Didn't it show the time before the murder, as well as during? I don't remember it doing that with Tom's character.
<!--QuoteBegin--lady_lazarus+Jun 7 2003, 01:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lady_lazarus @ Jun 7 2003, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the bourne identity....the worlds stupidest film EVER, in the history of mankind...although it did start to border on funny at times. my favourite part being when he killed the large knife wielding maniac hitman with a bic biro. who would've thought that those biros could be so dangerous?! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What?! The Bourne Identity pwned! It was a great action\spy movie, but wasn't ridiculously over-the-top. Come on, in the (obligarory) car chase there were no blazing fireballs, and the hero's car was a mini!
Anyway, he didn't kill the assassin with a biro. He just stabbed him in the hand with it to make him drop his knife. The assassin jumped out the window.
ahh, Minority Report, a great movie based on a short story by a skitzo (P.K.D.)
Ok, so far as I understand it, you guys seem to think that the plothole is in the murder of Crow and how he's killed and whatnot.
Anderson (that is, Tom Cruise) first see's this crime in the precog screen. It doesn't show a struggle and whatnot, because by the very knowledge that he would kill someone it instantly BECAME pre-meditated. The self-fufilling prophecy. I have seen this movie a few times and so far as I can understand, Crow dies from a gunshot from Anderson's gun. Because it was Anderson's choice to be there, and to not kill Crow, it was a pre-meditated crime of passion. The only reason it would be relatively pre-meditated is because of the various elements surrounding crow, such as the fact that he is said to be the kidnapper of Anderson's kid, which would make Anderson want to kill him, regardless of identity!
6th sense star wars -new ones more alien 3- no guns except at the end judge dredd- stallone cant talk right platoon- tries 2 be apocalypse now and full metal jacket but fails... miserably final fantasy- plotline = <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> jurrasic park- pick 1 they all suck spaceballs- funny it isnt deep blue sea- its called put cyanide in the water charlie's angels- crap series, crap film <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sorry, but criticising <i>any</i> movie based on stories by P. K. D*ck (such as Minority Report, Blade Runner, or Matrix) for plotholes or 'unrealistic' plot devices is just missing the point.
Anyway, the worst movie I ever watched was 'The Wave' - a pathetic movie on a pathetic book on a pathetic 'real story'.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 9 2003, 05:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 9 2003, 05:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry, but criticising <i>any</i> movie based on stories by P. K. D*ck (such as Minority Report, Blade Runner, or Matrix) for plotholes or 'unrealistic' plot devices is just missing the point.
Anyway, the worst movie I ever watched was 'The Wave' - a pathetic movie on a pathetic book on a pathetic 'real story'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh come on, you can't put The Matrix in the same category. The whole reason why The Matrix is so freaking awesome is that it doesn't have any plot holes. The whole fun is to go through afterwards and work the holes out of it (the same can be said for Neon Genesis Evangelion (*drool*) ).
Was the move of The Wave really that bad? I thought the book was very good... You can't exactly criticise how good a real story is, because it really happened. I mean it's not as if you can say that there are plot holes, or that the plot was unrealistic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--SoulSkorpion+Jun 9 2003, 12:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jun 9 2003, 12:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The whole reason why The Matrix is so freaking awesome is that it doesn't have any plot holes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The <a href='http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=194' target='_blank'>laws of conservation of energy</a> would choose to differ with you, which dictate the machines couldn't possibly get more energy out from us then they were pumping into us, making us a very unreliable and inefficient power source. Not to mention the <a href='http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=193' target='_blank'>geniuses who supposedly started the chain of events.</a> And, of course, there's plain old <a href='http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20030512' target='_blank'>common sense</a>.
Granted, however, the movie DOES <a href='http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20030514' target='_blank'>make for a very nifty premise</a>. But to say there are no plot holes would be more than a stretch. And that's not even getting into Matrix: Reloaded.
Ugh.
I don't know if my expectations were just too high, or if the movie honestly sucked, but I'm waiting for video to find out.
-Ryan!
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear. -- Mark Twain
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They would't need to pump <i>any</i> energy into us, all they need to do is give us food and air (which is explained in the first matrix), and its not so hard to believe that they could figure out an energy efficient way of running the matrix, and they couldn't use cows because, like you said, almost all animals and plantlife is dead, as was explained in the first movie, the machines were solar powered, so it was common sense to think that they wouldn't last very long without the sun, apparently the humans underestimated the machine's ability to adapt, so in short: no plot holes.
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 6 2003, 01:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 6 2003, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can't forget the other classic lines.
"Clatu Verata N... N... it's an 'N' word. N... N... It's definitely an "N" word. Klatu Verata Nrmnphnfhr..."
"...so what's a few syllabyls?" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Which in itself is a quote from the cult '50s sci fi epic "The day the Earth stood still"
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As I said, it was explained in the first movie, the machines turn the dead into goo and feed it to the living (eww), the machines don't use nuclear reactors for the same reason they don't use coal plants, the resouces are depleted.
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I think some people kinda miss the point. You know that ole' film, The Matrix and it's sequels? Might of heard of them, i heard they did pretty good in the box office. Well, i did a little research (hard to do on such an anonymous film) and i came up with this: It's science-<b>fiction</b>
You know, that old thing. Fiction, as in, not real. Star wars is one of these as well (old film, many of you won't of heard of it), hence the ships that can fly in space pretty much infinately without needing to refuel, and for some reason, they go faster when the wings are shut (no friction in space Mr.Lucas) and before you go on about how the wings being shut turns the weapons off so more power can go to the engines, i really, really dont care. Fact is, if you hate a science fiction film because it doesn't make sense, there is really something wrong in your head.
Anyway, my most hated film(s) of all time...
Annoconda Arachniphobia (sp?) The sequel to annaconda (cobra or sommat) that one about killer-bees that one about killer, mutant, army grown piranahs
and pretty much every movie on this page: <a href='http://www.somethingawful.com/reviews/' target='_blank'>http://www.somethingawful.com/reviews/</a> Except that i kinda liked Lawnmower Man 2 (i'm sad, so, so very sad)
AND! in the matrix, why aren't the agents 40 foot tall killer evil death machines with big glowy eyes? And the machines should put norton or VAC or sommat on the Matrix servers, cos Neo and his "krew" are just hax0rz
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Lets not forget that there is no air in space, so there is no sound and exposion fireballs, but then again, it would be boring without them. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->AND! in the matrix, why aren't the agents 40 foot tall killer evil death machines with big glowy eyes? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> To be inconspicuous?
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they could turn into those big stompy robots, kill the people they're after, and wipe the memories of all the people who saw it. And those twins, they can walk through walls, they are far better than the current agents, why aren't there loads of them?
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It would be way too hard to wipe the memory of everyone who saw it, and in case you didn't notice, those ghost guys are also far wierder than the regular agents.
<!--QuoteBegin--SiLeNcEr-7+Jun 10 2003, 10:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SiLeNcEr-7 @ Jun 10 2003, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As I said, it was explained in the first movie, the machines turn the dead into goo and feed it to the living (eww), the machines don't use nuclear reactors for the same reason they don't use coal plants, the resouces are depleted. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A human does not produse that much nutrients to feed a person more then a couple weeks. The human body is not a perfect machine and energy is lost as heat. Food is energy, if you use the law of conservation of energy in chemical reactions every amount of energy you take is then lost from the system so even if the human body is flawlessly efficient which it is far from your still going to loose your source of food. So therfore they cannot do that more then a couple times.
Lets say they have fusion now. H2O + electralosis = Hydrogen, use that as fuel as nuclear fuel.
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Yes, and they explain it at the very beginning of the movie. Pre-meditated murders are seen several hours, sometimes a few days, in advance. Crimes of passion are seen only a few hours in advance.
What would this murder have been?
-Ryan!
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.
-- Rita Mae Brown
<a href='http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=990704' target='_blank'>And how.</a>
-Ryan!
My dog is worried about the economy because Alpo is up to 99 cents a can. That's almost $7.00 in dog money.
-- Joe Weinstein
I cant believe clint was such a wuss...
*shudders*
Sure, perhaps it was a self fulfilling prophecy. The Oracle did a self fulfilling prophecy that took only a few seconds, and depended on Neo to turn quickly. In the case of Minority Report, it wasn't a case of a few seconds. Throughout the movie, I wanted to scream to Tom's character to STOP LOOKING FOR THIS GUY. It was obviously a setup!
I don't understand why the struggle wasn't shown. Didn't the scissors guy as a crime of passion get a lot of time shown? Didn't it show the time before the murder, as well as during? I don't remember it doing that with Tom's character.
What?! The Bourne Identity pwned! It was a great action\spy movie, but wasn't ridiculously over-the-top. Come on, in the (obligarory) car chase there were no blazing fireballs, and the hero's car was a mini!
Anyway, he didn't kill the assassin with a biro. He just stabbed him in the hand with it to make him drop his knife. The assassin jumped out the window.
Ok, so far as I understand it, you guys seem to think that the plothole is in the murder of Crow and how he's killed and whatnot.
Anderson (that is, Tom Cruise) first see's this crime in the precog screen. It doesn't show a struggle and whatnot, because by the very knowledge that he would kill someone it instantly BECAME pre-meditated. The self-fufilling prophecy. I have seen this movie a few times and so far as I can understand, Crow dies from a gunshot from Anderson's gun. Because it was Anderson's choice to be there, and to not kill Crow, it was a pre-meditated crime of passion. The only reason it would be relatively pre-meditated is because of the various elements surrounding crow, such as the fact that he is said to be the kidnapper of Anderson's kid, which would make Anderson want to kill him, regardless of identity!
Fools!
But utterly was bored to tears by <i>Apocalypse Now</i>.
xXx.
6th sense
star wars -new ones more
alien 3- no guns except at the end
judge dredd- stallone cant talk right
platoon- tries 2 be apocalypse now and full metal jacket but fails... miserably
final fantasy- plotline = <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
jurrasic park- pick 1 they all suck
spaceballs- funny it isnt
deep blue sea- its called put cyanide in the water
charlie's angels- crap series, crap film
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OMG DIE!
Anyway, the worst movie I ever watched was 'The Wave' - a pathetic movie on a pathetic book on a pathetic 'real story'.
I think its an old movie but I actually fell asleep from that one and I'm somewhat an Insomiac!
This isn't hated by many people but here's MY most hated movie
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><b>The Fast and The Furious</b></span>
YARGGGGG!
Anyway, the worst movie I ever watched was 'The Wave' - a pathetic movie on a pathetic book on a pathetic 'real story'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh come on, you can't put The Matrix in the same category. The whole reason why The Matrix is so freaking awesome is that it doesn't have any plot holes. The whole fun is to go through afterwards and work the holes out of it (the same can be said for Neon Genesis Evangelion (*drool*) ).
Was the move of The Wave really that bad? I thought the book was very good... You can't exactly criticise how good a real story is, because it really happened. I mean it's not as if you can say that there are plot holes, or that the plot was unrealistic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
if some guy hates the movie you loved, then just be content that the ******* is missing out on a beautiful movie
and on that note, matrix rocked.
The <a href='http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=194' target='_blank'>laws of conservation of energy</a> would choose to differ with you, which dictate the machines couldn't possibly get more energy out from us then they were pumping into us, making us a very unreliable and inefficient power source. Not to mention the <a href='http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=193' target='_blank'>geniuses who supposedly started the chain of events.</a> And, of course, there's plain old <a href='http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20030512' target='_blank'>common sense</a>.
Granted, however, the movie DOES <a href='http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20030514' target='_blank'>make for a very nifty premise</a>. But to say there are no plot holes would be more than a stretch. And that's not even getting into Matrix: Reloaded.
Ugh.
I don't know if my expectations were just too high, or if the movie honestly sucked, but I'm waiting for video to find out.
-Ryan!
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.
-- Mark Twain
If they can adapt to suck the energy out of humans don't you think they could atleast make some sort of nuclear reactor?
"Clatu Verata N... N... it's an 'N' word. N... N... It's definitely an "N" word. Klatu Verata Nrmnphnfhr..."
"...so what's a few syllabyls?" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which in itself is a quote from the cult '50s sci fi epic "The day the Earth stood still"
Gort!
Gort!
Klatuu Verada Nikto!
It's science-<b>fiction</b>
You know, that old thing. Fiction, as in, not real. Star wars is one of these as well (old film, many of you won't of heard of it), hence the ships that can fly in space pretty much infinately without needing to refuel, and for some reason, they go faster when the wings are shut (no friction in space Mr.Lucas) and before you go on about how the wings being shut turns the weapons off so more power can go to the engines, i really, really dont care. Fact is, if you hate a science fiction film because it doesn't make sense, there is really something wrong in your head.
Anyway, my most hated film(s) of all time...
Annoconda
Arachniphobia (sp?)
The sequel to annaconda (cobra or sommat)
that one about killer-bees
that one about killer, mutant, army grown piranahs
and pretty much every movie on this page: <a href='http://www.somethingawful.com/reviews/' target='_blank'>http://www.somethingawful.com/reviews/</a>
Except that i kinda liked Lawnmower Man 2 (i'm sad, so, so very sad)
AND! in the matrix, why aren't the agents 40 foot tall killer evil death machines with big glowy eyes? And the machines should put norton or VAC or sommat on the Matrix servers, cos Neo and his "krew" are just hax0rz
A human does not produse that much nutrients to feed a person more then a couple weeks. The human body is not a perfect machine and energy is lost as heat. Food is energy, if you use the law of conservation of energy in chemical reactions every amount of energy you take is then lost from the system so even if the human body is flawlessly efficient which it is far from your still going to loose your source of food. So therfore they cannot do that more then a couple times.
Lets say they have fusion now. H2O + electralosis = Hydrogen, use that as fuel as nuclear fuel.