I read that thesis, was really cool. And actually your right and I already knew that, don't ask me why I took it up then heh.
Anyway the only real cause of violent behavior is enviormental, and unfortunantly no one in charge could give two farts about doing anything about the condition some people live in. But I'm splitting the thread again.
My official stance, bunnies deserve to have their eyeballs melted.
My Biology teacher had an interesting poster... it said "Animal testing: allowing these people to protest 33.2(something) years longer" and it had pics of people holding up "stop animal testing" signs and such.
My sociology teacher had a similiarily interesting poster. It was black background with a white caption: "Only trust the statistics you made up yourself."
Finally! My disorganized thoughts have a place to call home!
I'm completely against animal cruelty in every manner. I think it's totaly wrong to take any creature, with no say in the given situation and force it to suffer. They don't even understand what's going to happen. It's like "Oh hey, it's the dude who gives me food, sweet...hey hey, what are you doing with that thing man? Whoa it sure is getting close, looks like it might hurt so be caref....AWWWWWWW!!! LET ME DIE LET ME DIE!!!!". Now that may be an exaggeration, but nonetheless, what gives us the right to perform such acts on another being.
Some of you are saying "Well, lets breed animals with no nervous system! That will please everyone.". I have to disaggree with those people too. How would you feel going through life just sitting, not feeling anything. Just 'being' for no reason. The people who say they wouldn't mind are lying and they know it.
So yeah, my stance: Animal Cruelty/Testing/Bad Stuff = *Thumbs Down* <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
@gentOrange: I guess they should breed a cow-race with no brains <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I'm having this weirdest flashback from Matrix, the part where Morpheus shows Neo what matrix is.
Other option would be to stop animal cruelty and risk humans living slightly less confortable. <-- Never going to happen. Human is generally just as selfish as other animals. "What? I should do something for those monkeys/cows/pigs? I should eat <b>less</b> meat?! No way!"
<!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Jun 11 2003, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 11 2003, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess they should breed a cow-race with no brains <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Aren't those what we refer to as 'teenagers'?
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jun 11 2003, 10:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jun 11 2003, 10:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Jun 11 2003, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 11 2003, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess they should breed a cow-race with no brains <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Aren't those what we refer to as 'teenagers'?
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nope. There'd be a civil movement against the unfair treatement of those cows, after all <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jun 11 2003, 10:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jun 11 2003, 10:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Jun 11 2003, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 11 2003, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess they should breed a cow-race with no brains <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Aren't those what we refer to as 'teenagers' <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh yes, I forgot that you eat teenagers <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
shooting a cayote, deer or bear with a big lead slug to instant kill is NOT cruelty. stuffing brainless chickens in boxes is not either. melting the skin off a rabbit IS, however, as they could probably tell the acidic properties by other means, like how it burns your face when you smell the fumes.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zel+Jun 11 2003, 06:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jun 11 2003, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> shooting a cayote, deer or bear with a big lead slug to instant kill is NOT cruelty. stuffing brainless chickens in boxes is not either. melting the skin off a rabbit IS, however, as they could probably tell the acidic properties by other means, like how it burns your face when you smell the fumes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> First of all, you don't shoot any animals with slugs because it aint gonna kill them instantly. It's just gonna break some bones and hurt them real bad.
Second of all (uh, I'll fill this in later I gotta go eat)
but really I'm not going too, I just forgot what I was going to say...
You can't really discuss it without religion, and I don't think the board allows that <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--DeAtH_tO_gOrDoN+Jun 12 2003, 01:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DeAtH_tO_gOrDoN @ Jun 12 2003, 01:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can't really discuss it without religion, and I don't think the board allows that <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think it's ok to say that "My religion "xxx" says that animals have souls and they shouldn't be killed". No one can't say anything against that but you can't say much on it behalf either because it's just the opinion of one religion.
Most of you know that I live on a farm. It is mostly a medium sized hog farm, with a few cattle and sometimes sheep.
The cattle, they are pretty well taken care of, since we don't do much with them. THe sheep, ah who cares (actually they are taken care of good too, except my dog tried to kill one one time, but it deserved it because it escaped!)
Now, on the pigs....
The major problem people have with the way pig are treated are how the sows (female pigs that have had one or more litters of little pigs (NOT PIGLETS!! WHOEVER CALLS THEM PIGLETS GET SHOT!!)) are put into these "crates" <img src='http://www.vittetoeinc.com/images/0250.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
they spend anywhere from 6-7 weeks per litter in these things. They are in well venilated, temperature controlled buildings and fed on a daily basis. Now, PETA (<b>P</b>eople for the <b>E</b>thical <b>T</b>reatment of <b>A</b>nimals,my sworn enemy) says that this is cruel to the sows. However, it is crueler to NOT put them in the crates, becasue: A: THey are indoors, out doors the little pigs get eaten by raccoon and coyotes. B:It prvents them from injuring themsleves and their litter, sometimes they like to "eat" the babys.... C: It allows us to work on them and the litters easier.
This is the best way, the sows can stand up and lay down, they just can't move, but they're not supposed to when they have a litter anyway.
Other forms of pig cruelty: Castration - Im not really going to go into specifics on this, lets just say it keeps the population in check. Hot SHots - wands that shock the crap out of pigs to get them moving Other things too, but these are more on a personal level (these animals make you really mad sometimes, and I am more or less a calm person, but I don't think ANYBODY could stand in a group of pigs for more than 10 minuets and not take a few kicks at them)
PETA and any other enviromental groups are enimies of farmers. If we followed eveything that they wanted us to do, all farmers would be out of jobs, then your precious food prices would rise!
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<!--QuoteBegin--Zel+Jun 11 2003, 06:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jun 11 2003, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> shooting a cayote, deer or bear with a big lead slug to instant kill is NOT cruelty. stuffing brainless chickens in boxes is not either. melting the skin off a rabbit IS, however, as they could probably tell the acidic properties by other means, like how it burns your face when you smell the fumes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well actually, you'd want to shoot a deer in the heart, which I imagine hurts a fair bit. But it's not goin to waste. And bear hunting I dont do as I dont like bear. And yotes are varmints, boil 'em alive for what I care.
<!--QuoteBegin--BadKarma+Jun 11 2003, 08:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 11 2003, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zel+Jun 11 2003, 06:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jun 11 2003, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> shooting a cayote, deer or bear with a big lead slug to instant kill is NOT cruelty. stuffing brainless chickens in boxes is not either. melting the skin off a rabbit IS, however, as they could probably tell the acidic properties by other means, like how it burns your face when you smell the fumes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well actually, you'd want to shoot a deer in the heart, which I imagine hurts a fair bit. But it's not goin to waste. And bear hunting I dont do as I dont like bear. And yotes are varmints, boil 'em alive for what I care. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hunting Seasnos are good, but I think that they need to be longer. From what I have seen, there is no shortage of deer or turkey. I think landowners should be able to hunt all year long, and only on their land, becasue I have seen so many deer and turkey around here that I would just love to shoot them out of season. Yes, there are damage permits, but those are complicated to get (even though I have used them and nothing is funner than LEGALY shooting deer at night with a spotlight and a high powered rifle.
Anyway, it is survival of the fittest with hunting. WE need the crops to make money and survive, so due to natural selection, the deer either adapt and shoot us back, or die.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Burr+Jun 11 2003, 09:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burr @ Jun 11 2003, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (even though I have used them and nothing is funner than LEGALY shooting deer at night with a spotlight and a high powered rifle.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok. Please, tell me youre kidding.
Vegetatrian, don't wear leather if I can possibly avoid it, eat fish because it's me or them. Airheaded protesters annoy the **** out of me, but don't get me started on animal rights. But what can you expect from a species with such contempt for its own rights? There are times when it sickens me that I'm part of that species. Actually, that nearly earned me the nickname "Dark Angel" in high school...
Did you know that you are statistically more probable to be attacked by a cow than a shark? Think about that and then tell me who you eat, the cows or the fish.
<!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Jun 11 2003, 03:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 11 2003, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Talesins "if it's stupid, it deserves it" approach is rather interesting. If a kid runs with scissors, trips and stabs himself and dies. Did he deserve it because he was stupid? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe so, yes. It was the parents' fault for leaving out scissors, in my opinion. If the kid isn't bright enough to know that running with scissors is downright stupid (pointed up, anyway...), then they should know better. If you disagree, then it can also be the child's fault. If you've read what Maddox (http://www.xmission.com/~maddox, beware, some offensive language) had to say about this on a suicide page, I completely agree with him. Basically, the page was about suicide. It listed things such as, "Can't do algebra? Kill yourself and get over it!", or "Your parents making you clean your room? It's a sign they hate you, go commit suicide!" and the like. He got hate mail from a person in 'pshycology', saying that he shouldn't post that on the Internet, because people could actually believe it and kill themselves. Maddox's reply was clear and obvious. If the person was actually <i>stupid</i> enough to believe that page, they shouldn't be living <i>anyway</i>. I mean, come on. You see a random page on the Internet, telling you to commit suicide for obvious hilarious reasons. You believe it and kill yourself. How stupid can you get?! Which is why we have <a href='http://www.darwinawards.com' target='_blank'>Darwin awards</a>, as well. They kill themselves in such stupid ways that they 'remove themselves from the gene pool so they can't reproduce <i>more</i> stupid genes like them!'. I feel no pity for those people, really. If you're stupid enough to drown in beer, have a dog fetch a stick of dynamite, or fall through a skyscraper because you were showing people how strong the windows were, you really have vanquished any hopes of living anyway. You would just continue to reproduce, making more stupid people, meaning, too many stupid people, meaning more smart people being killed by stupid people for stupid reasons. This was just a reply to Dread. Now, to actually voice my opinion on animal cruelty: I agree with Talesin.
<!--QuoteBegin--BadKarma+Jun 11 2003, 09:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 11 2003, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Burr+Jun 11 2003, 09:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burr @ Jun 11 2003, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (even though I have used them and nothing is funner than LEGALY shooting deer at night with a spotlight and a high powered rifle.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok. Please, tell me youre kidding. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> no, im not kdding. It is perfectally legal. All you have to do is call your local game warden, have them come out and inspect the damge that the deer have done to your crops, and if they think it is sufficiant enough, then they can give you a set number of permits (one permit per deer) based on how much your crop has been destroyed. Using these permits mean that you can shoot deer at night with a spotlight and a high powered rifle. There are some rules though
A: No fawns B: All antlers over so many inches/points must be turned in to the Dept of Natural Recources C: No saving the deer for personal use (i.e. no butchering), they must eihter be "given" to a worthy cause (i.e to help feed the homeless) or they must be thrown away.
We never shot the bucks, saved those for deer season, but the doe we spared no one that complied by the rules.
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If it's for crop damage, I suppose I can live with it. But man, last season I caught 4 guys on my property sitting in the back of a pick-up lighting deer. **** I was ****. Told those four a-holes if they didnt get the fack off my property, i'd say they were armed tresspassers and shoot em. Damn they left fast. Got their plate number too and called the cops. Dont know if they got em but I sure as **** hope so.
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Hey I forgot to ask you. For turkey, what do ya use? Ive been thinking of getting one of Rugers o/u 20 gauges but if you know something else i'd be happy to hear.
<!--QuoteBegin--BadKarma+Jun 11 2003, 10:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 11 2003, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If it's for crop damage, I suppose I can live with it. But man, last season I caught 4 guys on my property sitting in the back of a pick-up lighting deer. **** I was ****. Told those four a-holes if they didnt get the fack off my property, i'd say they were armed tresspassers and shoot em. Damn they left fast. Got their plate number too and called the cops. Dont know if they got em but I sure as **** hope so. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah, those are the jerks. We are just farmers who see a threat to our business and thankfully have ways to lessen that threat just a little bit. Plus, its only for OUR land, nobody elses, and nobody else is allowed to use them but family. Luckily, I was family. This is kind of neccessary becasue my familys money come from the farm, no side jobs, no part time jobs, full time farming puts the food on the table and the clothes on our backs, so it is really all about surviving.
Oh, I don't turkey hunt either, so I don't know what to use, I don't know why, just the deer, we have other people hunt turkey in season though, one guy got the second largest turkey in the state off of our land before.
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Anyway the only real cause of violent behavior is enviormental, and unfortunantly no one in charge could give two farts about doing anything about the condition some people live in. But I'm splitting the thread again.
My official stance, bunnies deserve to have their eyeballs melted.
I'm completely against animal cruelty in every manner. I think it's totaly wrong to take any creature, with no say in the given situation and force it to suffer. They don't even understand what's going to happen. It's like "Oh hey, it's the dude who gives me food, sweet...hey hey, what are you doing with that thing man? Whoa it sure is getting close, looks like it might hurt so be caref....AWWWWWWW!!! LET ME DIE LET ME DIE!!!!". Now that may be an exaggeration, but nonetheless, what gives us the right to perform such acts on another being.
Some of you are saying "Well, lets breed animals with no nervous system! That will please everyone.". I have to disaggree with those people too. How would you feel going through life just sitting, not feeling anything. Just 'being' for no reason. The people who say they wouldn't mind are lying and they know it.
So yeah, my stance: Animal Cruelty/Testing/Bad Stuff = *Thumbs Down* <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm having this weirdest flashback from Matrix, the part where Morpheus shows Neo what matrix is.
Other option would be to stop animal cruelty and risk humans living slightly less confortable. <-- Never going to happen. Human is generally just as selfish as other animals. "What? I should do something for those monkeys/cows/pigs? I should eat <b>less</b> meat?! No way!"
Aren't those what we refer to as 'teenagers'?
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j/k boppers, don't start whining, you humourless sunnyD lovers.
Aren't those what we refer to as 'teenagers'?
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Nope. There'd be a civil movement against the unfair treatement of those cows, after all <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Aren't those what we refer to as 'teenagers' <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh yes, I forgot that you eat teenagers <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Aren't those what we refer to as 'teenagers' <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh yes, I forgot that you eat teenagers <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dirty thoughts, dirty thoughts, dirty thoughts
Aren't those what we refer to as 'teenagers' <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh yes, I forgot that you eat teenagers <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dirty thoughts, dirty thoughts, dirty thoughts <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, you are mean <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
MonsE just happens to eat all kind of stuff like...(IIRC)rats? Well bit a head off or so.
First of all, you don't shoot any animals with slugs because it aint gonna kill them instantly. It's just gonna break some bones and hurt them real bad.
Second of all (uh, I'll fill this in later I gotta go eat)
but really I'm not going too, I just forgot what I was going to say...
I think it's ok to say that "My religion "xxx" says that animals have souls and they shouldn't be killed". No one can't say anything against that but you can't say much on it behalf either because it's just the opinion of one religion.
Most of you know that I live on a farm. It is mostly a medium sized hog farm, with a few cattle and sometimes sheep.
The cattle, they are pretty well taken care of, since we don't do much with them.
THe sheep, ah who cares (actually they are taken care of good too, except my dog tried to kill one one time, but it deserved it because it escaped!)
Now, on the pigs....
The major problem people have with the way pig are treated are how the sows (female pigs that have had one or more litters of little pigs (NOT PIGLETS!! WHOEVER CALLS THEM PIGLETS GET SHOT!!)) are put into these "crates"
<img src='http://www.vittetoeinc.com/images/0250.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
they spend anywhere from 6-7 weeks per litter in these things. They are in well venilated, temperature controlled buildings and fed on a daily basis. Now, PETA (<b>P</b>eople for the <b>E</b>thical <b>T</b>reatment of <b>A</b>nimals,my sworn enemy) says that this is cruel to the sows. However, it is crueler to NOT put them in the crates, becasue:
A: THey are indoors, out doors the little pigs get eaten by raccoon and coyotes.
B:It prvents them from injuring themsleves and their litter, sometimes they like to "eat" the babys....
C: It allows us to work on them and the litters easier.
This is the best way, the sows can stand up and lay down, they just can't move, but they're not supposed to when they have a litter anyway.
Other forms of pig cruelty:
Castration - Im not really going to go into specifics on this, lets just say it keeps the population in check.
Hot SHots - wands that shock the crap out of pigs to get them moving
Other things too, but these are more on a personal level (these animals make you really mad sometimes, and I am more or less a calm person, but I don't think ANYBODY could stand in a group of pigs for more than 10 minuets and not take a few kicks at them)
PETA and any other enviromental groups are enimies of farmers. If we followed eveything that they wanted us to do, all farmers would be out of jobs, then your precious food prices would rise!
PETA = morons
I'm sure some of you have read what <a href='http://maddox.xmission.com' target='_blank'>Maddox</a> has to say about PETA. And he is 100% correct.
Well actually, you'd want to shoot a deer in the heart, which I imagine hurts a fair bit. But it's not goin to waste. And bear hunting I dont do as I dont like bear. And yotes are varmints, boil 'em alive for what I care.
Well actually, you'd want to shoot a deer in the heart, which I imagine hurts a fair bit. But it's not goin to waste. And bear hunting I dont do as I dont like bear. And yotes are varmints, boil 'em alive for what I care. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hunting Seasnos are good, but I think that they need to be longer. From what I have seen, there is no shortage of deer or turkey. I think landowners should be able to hunt all year long, and only on their land, becasue I have seen so many deer and turkey around here that I would just love to shoot them out of season. Yes, there are damage permits, but those are complicated to get (even though I have used them and nothing is funner than LEGALY shooting deer at night with a spotlight and a high powered rifle.
Anyway, it is survival of the fittest with hunting. WE need the crops to make money and survive, so due to natural selection, the deer either adapt and shoot us back, or die.
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Ok. Please, tell me youre kidding.
But I don't want to get started on that.
Yay! Happy 1000th post to me!
I believe so, yes.
It was the parents' fault for leaving out scissors, in my opinion. If the kid isn't bright enough to know that running with scissors is downright stupid (pointed up, anyway...), then they should know better. If you disagree, then it can also be the child's fault.
If you've read what Maddox (http://www.xmission.com/~maddox, beware, some offensive language) had to say about this on a suicide page, I completely agree with him.
Basically, the page was about suicide. It listed things such as, "Can't do algebra? Kill yourself and get over it!", or "Your parents making you clean your room? It's a sign they hate you, go commit suicide!" and the like. He got hate mail from a person in 'pshycology', saying that he shouldn't post that on the Internet, because people could actually believe it and kill themselves.
Maddox's reply was clear and obvious. If the person was actually <i>stupid</i> enough to believe that page, they shouldn't be living <i>anyway</i>. I mean, come on. You see a random page on the Internet, telling you to commit suicide for obvious hilarious reasons. You believe it and kill yourself. How stupid can you get?!
Which is why we have <a href='http://www.darwinawards.com' target='_blank'>Darwin awards</a>, as well. They kill themselves in such stupid ways that they 'remove themselves from the gene pool so they can't reproduce <i>more</i> stupid genes like them!'.
I feel no pity for those people, really. If you're stupid enough to drown in beer, have a dog fetch a stick of dynamite, or fall through a skyscraper because you were showing people how strong the windows were, you really have vanquished any hopes of living anyway. You would just continue to reproduce, making more stupid people, meaning, too many stupid people, meaning more smart people being killed by stupid people for stupid reasons. This was just a reply to Dread.
Now, to actually voice my opinion on animal cruelty:
I agree with Talesin.
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no, im not kdding. It is perfectally legal. All you have to do is call your local game warden, have them come out and inspect the damge that the deer have done to your crops, and if they think it is sufficiant enough, then they can give you a set number of permits (one permit per deer) based on how much your crop has been destroyed. Using these permits mean that you can shoot deer at night with a spotlight and a high powered rifle. There are some rules though
A: No fawns
B: All antlers over so many inches/points must be turned in to the Dept of Natural Recources
C: No saving the deer for personal use (i.e. no butchering), they must eihter be "given" to a worthy cause (i.e to help feed the homeless) or they must be thrown away.
We never shot the bucks, saved those for deer season, but the doe we spared no one that complied by the rules.
yeah, those are the jerks. We are just farmers who see a threat to our business and thankfully have ways to lessen that threat just a little bit. Plus, its only for OUR land, nobody elses, and nobody else is allowed to use them but family. Luckily, I was family. This is kind of neccessary becasue my familys money come from the farm, no side jobs, no part time jobs, full time farming puts the food on the table and the clothes on our backs, so it is really all about surviving.
Oh, I don't turkey hunt either, so I don't know what to use, I don't know why, just the deer, we have other people hunt turkey in season though, one guy got the second largest turkey in the state off of our land before.