TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
edited June 2003
Yes, if a child is running with scissors and kills themself, they deserved it. Or their parents did. In either case, they both should not have had the scissors in the first place, and been able to think 'Oh, damn.. these things are sharp! If I trip with them, I could stab myself through the chest!'
Seriously. I've read articles about kids who were so f*cking STUPID that they emulated cr*p they saw in cartoons. Throwing knives at one another. Hanging themselves by tossing a rope around their neck and trying to swing across the room on it. Biting down on freaking LIGHTBULBS. Sorry, that isn't a tragedy. That IS natural selection in action. It's the little stupid-f***s weeding themselves out of the general populace. In my opinion, it should happen MORE. The reason we have so many freaking MORONS in the world is because we stopped them from killing themselves as kids! Think about that any time you get ticked off at an SUV that just cut you off, or are stuck in traffic. Any time that you're standing in a huge line. Wouldn't it be better if these morons never made it to 'maturity'? If they were gone from the world, boo-hoo, and maybe their flat-headed three-teeth-between-them parents might stop and think 'hey, maybe we should teach this one something, so it won't off itself the first chance it gets'?
Bring back violent cartoons. Take off 'child safety' locks. Give me the violent movies of years past. LET THE MORONS DIE YOUNG, FOR THE GOOD OF THE WORLD!
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Jefe+Jun 11 2003, 04:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jefe @ Jun 11 2003, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Okay, the rabbit eyes thing is definitely wrong. There should be no reason for people to melt a rabbit's eyeballs to use in soap. Besides, haven't they started making artificial skin or something? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I too hate the idea of doing it, but realistically until they find a better way.... Im sure there is a better way but until they utilise it, better the bunnies eyes then mine <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
When I was a younger lad (5-10), i use to be really cruel to animals, which I now truelly regret. Maybe I should not share my stories on the board, but they involve with cats, dogs, pigeons, squirels, rats, insects, and etc.
IMHO hunting is ok and as long as you don't rip a leg off a dear with an axe then shoot it in the other leg and let it suffer to death, I am alright with it. A clean head shot, thats all.
Hunting has been around since the dawn of man and practicing it in a legit, orderly way, to learn what our ancestors did and hold that instinctive art, is alright by my books.
I agree with animal testing as long as it is for the good of humanity.
What really bothers me are those persistant green peace protestors or PETA people, who just over do it.
But its all good,
/me runs to IGA for meat.
ACk, society is getting lazier <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--DeAtH_tO_gOrDoN+Jun 11 2003, 06:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DeAtH_tO_gOrDoN @ Jun 11 2003, 06:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can't really discuss it without religion, and I don't think the board allows that <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Tell that to the 17 page religion discussion we had a while back. Oooh-wee, that was fun.
As far as my views go, there's a difference between experimentation for cash and experimentation for comfort and experimentation for lifesaving.
Vaccine that needs tested on monkeys? Do so.
Need to test on a rabbit to see if the soap is safe? Use chemical reactions instead.
Talesin: I bet you have been in situations where you could have get yourself killed and yet you are not necesserily stupid. What if you are taking a walk in the park and someone jumps behind a tree and shoots you. Did you deserve it? Does it prove you are stupid for letting that guy shoot you? It's the same thing with chickens, they don't kill themselves but humans do, so does it make them über-stupid for letting a farmer kill them?
What about dolphins? They have the potential to become the smartest animal in the planet, do they deserve to die on a fishing boat because they can't see the nets?
On the pig issue: Did you know that there is a theory that humans have evolved from pigs. Pigs and humans have similiar structure and they are very intelligent animals, Humans > Dolphins > Pigs > Monkeys > Some birds <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Burr+Jun 12 2003, 12:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burr @ Jun 12 2003, 12:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now, on the pigs....
The major problem people have with the way pig are treated are how the sows (female pigs that have had one or more litters of little pigs (NOT PIGLETS!! WHOEVER CALLS THEM PIGLETS GET SHOT!!)) are put into these "crates" <img src='http://www.vittetoeinc.com/images/0250.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
they spend anywhere from 6-7 weeks per litter in these things. They are in well venilated, temperature controlled buildings and fed on a daily basis. Now, PETA (<b>P</b>eople for the <b>E</b>thical <b>T</b>reatment of <b>A</b>nimals,my sworn enemy) says that this is cruel to the sows. However, it is crueler to NOT put them in the crates, becasue: A: THey are indoors, out doors the little pigs get eaten by raccoon and coyotes. B:It prvents them from injuring themsleves and their litter, sometimes they like to "eat" the babys.... C: It allows us to work on them and the litters easier.
This is the best way, the sows can stand up and lay down, they just can't move, but they're not supposed to when they have a litter anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What PETA criticises very ineffectively here is in fact not your fault at all, but a structural mistake of the agricultural politics since the end of WW2: In that time, Europe, which was haunted by famines, needed food in great quantities. Thus, both the European countries and the US, which could export their surplusses, started creating nutrients after one, and only one, premise: Quantity. This premise did not change since then, and is the reason we have to fight BSE & co., but also shows itself here:
The pigs you are growing on your farm have pretty much nothing in common with an average pic of a pre-WW2 farm: They're less intelligent, grow faster, have less fat tissue (which improves the meat ratio per 'unit', but makes them taste like shoelaces compared to a 'traditional' pig which had just much more juicy meat), and so on. This was created by a very rigid form of breeding, which also made the pigs forget pretty much all of their social instincts - hence, sows try to eat their babies, they just don't have any emotional bond to them anymore.
What PETA <i>should</i> attack is the system that forces you and your parents to produce in quantity instead of quality. What they <i>are</i> attacking is the easiest target - you.
Humans are the "caretakers" of the planet. they are incharge of all the animals and can therefore do what they want with them. i do not agree on unecesarry cruelty and if it was up to me i would stop animal testing on cosmetic products such as lipstick but for medicines and drugs which actively help the human race i would allow.
as for fishing/hunting, if i was lost in the wilderness of alaska i would have no second thoughts of killing an animal for food be it a bear, godzilla of some fish. hunting/fishing for sport comes under unecesarry cruelty and i do not agree with it.
Sorry to hijack your thread, but I found this amusing:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That IS natural selection in action. It's the little stupid-f***s weeding themselves out of the general populace.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ironically enough, the off-topic discussion on the Natural Selection forums has converged to talking about... natural selection. Does this mean we need to move the topic to the general discussions board? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously, though, I agree with the above poster that hacking off a deer's leg with an axe and shooting off the other leg with a gun and letting it die in pain and suffering is wrong, but does anyone really do that? I think the closest analogy we can draw here is locking down 2 hives and spawn-camping the skulks to prolong the game. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Now *that*'s animal cruelty.
That's a little shortened, if you ask me. Many animals who have the necessary equipment (think sharks) barely eat humans. Apparently, we just don't taste good.
Assuming that anything out there is hostile to us is as wrong as assuming that all animals live in a kind of 'perfect harmony'. The keyword in describing nature is 'ambivalence'.
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
edited June 2003
That was a bit of a joke there, punchy. But now that I think about it, theres a reason for that. We taste just fine. Reason sharks dont eat us is that they have a built-in energy used to energy gained ratio. If the amount of energy used chasing, catching, chewing and digesting us is less than the energy gained from us, they dont do it. Thats why they like seals and stuff, lots of fat. Something like a large crocodile would happily eat a child or a small adult. And do.
<!--QuoteBegin--Elite Guard+Jun 11 2003, 05:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Elite Guard @ Jun 11 2003, 05:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> animals have no rights. they are just animals.
PETA = morons
I'm sure some of you have read what <a href='http://maddox.xmission.com' target='_blank'>Maddox</a> has to say about PETA. And he is 100% correct. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't like what Maddox had to say about The Matrix: Reloaded (I liked it, as opposed to the vehemently established haters of EVERYTHING), but I did agree with him on one point: never, under ANY circumstances should we be shown Keanu Reeves' butt-crack. *Shivers* Also, he's right about PETA, they only do something when it's a convienence to THEM.
Hurting animals as nesisarity for the benefit of science is one thing, but i think treating everyday animals badly is wrong. If you testing on or raising animals, you should give them some space and keep them well fed and cleaned.
There's this websyte I was e-mailed that consists basicly of a hobby some asin nation has taken up, putting young animals (mostly cats) in a container of some type and leting them grow inside it, allowing them to grow to the shape of the container. It's just wrong. It's called a Bonsai Kitten.
I've also heard that this whole thing could be a hoax, but it's still gruesome enough to say that thee is no way these guys should get away with doing something like this!! I don't suggest going here, as it is evil and you will feel extremely sick. It isn't hard to find, for any of you looking, but i'm not putting the link on here, because it's BAD!!!
Bonsai Kitten is one of the oldest Internet hoaxes. Never has something like this been done, although it's correct that traditional chinese families still bandage their womens feet, which is what the idea came from.
That_Annoying_KidSire of TitlesJoin Date: 2003-03-01Member: 14175Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin--Talesin+Jun 11 2003, 03:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Jun 11 2003, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Though rabbits usually won't make any noise when they're being tested upon... a rabbit-scream is a lot scarier than any noise a chicken could ever make. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Rabbits don't make noise unless it's a dire dire situation.
A rabbits scream is a horrible horrible noise that scares the S out of people, I haven't heard my rabbit make any noises but I have a neighboor who has heard a rabbit make noise, and he said it's not pretty...
That_Annoying_KidSire of TitlesJoin Date: 2003-03-01Member: 14175Members, Constellation
oh and if you look around the bonsai kitten website you can tell that it's a hoax becuase some links to e-mail are dead, and other aspects to the site are just off...
Hearing a rabbit scream is indeed disturbing. But seeing my old dog (from my childhood, he was 21 when he died) cry, moan, and scream in pain, simply from standing up, was a sight I'll never forget. It still makes me sad to think about it.
<!--QuoteBegin--BadKarma+Jun 12 2003, 12:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jun 12 2003, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fishing is unesscecary creulty? It's a fish. It'd eat you if it had the chance, give me a break. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Read the post more carefully next time
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as for fishing/hunting, if i was lost in the wilderness of alaska i would have no second thoughts of killing an animal for food be it a bear, godzilla or some fish. hunting/fishing for sport comes under unecesarry cruelty and i do not agree with it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
notice i said fishing for sport is unesscecary cruelty, not fishing in general
<!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Jun 13 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Jun 13 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everytime you bathe you kill thousands of dustmites yet nobody gives a dam because we can't hear them scream. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's why I don't bathe and none of you should either, think of the dustmites, won't someone please think of the dustmites?
Reading all this about rabbits screaming reminds me of the Mad Maxx series they used to show on MTV's liquid television, anyone remember the episode where the little girl finds the injured bunny in her back yard and keeps it in a box under her bed? Man that was disturbing.
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 13 2003, 01:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 13 2003, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Jun 13 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Jun 13 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everytime you bathe you kill thousands of dustmites yet nobody gives a dam because we can't hear them scream. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's why I don't bathe and none of you should either, think of the dustmites, won't someone please think of the dustmites?
Reading all this about rabbits screaming reminds me of the Mad Maxx series they used to show on MTV's liquid television, anyone remember the episode where the little girl finds the injured bunny in her back yard and keeps it in a box under her bed? Man that was disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes it was... but i was like what 10 when that came on? i watched bits and pieces of the episode and it has disturbed me ever since.
<!--QuoteBegin--James H4xwell+Jun 13 2003, 10:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (James H4xwell @ Jun 13 2003, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 13 2003, 01:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 13 2003, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Jun 13 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Jun 13 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everytime you bathe you kill thousands of dustmites yet nobody gives a dam because we can't hear them scream. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's why I don't bathe and none of you should either, think of the dustmites, won't someone please think of the dustmites?
Reading all this about rabbits screaming reminds me of the Mad Maxx series they used to show on MTV's liquid television, anyone remember the episode where the little girl finds the injured bunny in her back yard and keeps it in a box under her bed? Man that was disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes it was... but i was like what 10 when that came on? i watched bits and pieces of the episode and it has disturbed me ever since. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ? What was so disturbing about a bunny under your bed? Afraid it's gonna get your carrots?
<!--QuoteBegin--Renegade+Jun 13 2003, 03:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Jun 13 2003, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--James H4xwell+Jun 13 2003, 10:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (James H4xwell @ Jun 13 2003, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 13 2003, 01:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 13 2003, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Jun 13 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Jun 13 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everytime you bathe you kill thousands of dustmites yet nobody gives a dam because we can't hear them scream. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's why I don't bathe and none of you should either, think of the dustmites, won't someone please think of the dustmites?
Reading all this about rabbits screaming reminds me of the Mad Maxx series they used to show on MTV's liquid television, anyone remember the episode where the little girl finds the injured bunny in her back yard and keeps it in a box under her bed? Man that was disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes it was... but i was like what 10 when that came on? i watched bits and pieces of the episode and it has disturbed me ever since. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ? What was so disturbing about a bunny under your bed? Afraid it's gonna get your carrots? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well considering she put the thing in the box, it died, she kept it there for like a month, her parents smelled something and came in her room while she was *hugging* it one time... uh... yea
<!--QuoteBegin--James H4xwell+Jun 14 2003, 12:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (James H4xwell @ Jun 14 2003, 12:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well considering she put the thing in the box, it died, she kept it there for like a month, her parents smelled something and came in her room while she was *hugging* it one time... uh... yea <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sounds pretty sick series to me!
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Where can I find it?
Now since this thread has been derailed to a state where it can't be repaired, I take the privilidge of derailing some more: My cat is sick. It hasn't been eating anything for about 3 days now. Normally she eats several times a day but now she just lies there and moves very slowly and just looks like she needs her batteries recharged but she just doesn't want to eat. She drinks though. I guess I have to take her to a vet or something <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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This is an absolute.
Beyond this: anything you believe about animal cruelty is just making you feel better about yourself.
Note: yes, i used the word "other".
Cheers
Seriously. I've read articles about kids who were so f*cking STUPID that they emulated cr*p they saw in cartoons. Throwing knives at one another. Hanging themselves by tossing a rope around their neck and trying to swing across the room on it. Biting down on freaking LIGHTBULBS.
Sorry, that isn't a tragedy. That IS natural selection in action. It's the little stupid-f***s weeding themselves out of the general populace. In my opinion, it should happen MORE. The reason we have so many freaking MORONS in the world is because we stopped them from killing themselves as kids!
Think about that any time you get ticked off at an SUV that just cut you off, or are stuck in traffic. Any time that you're standing in a huge line. Wouldn't it be better if these morons never made it to 'maturity'? If they were gone from the world, boo-hoo, and maybe their flat-headed three-teeth-between-them parents might stop and think 'hey, maybe we should teach this one something, so it won't off itself the first chance it gets'?
Bring back violent cartoons. Take off 'child safety' locks. Give me the violent movies of years past.
LET THE MORONS DIE YOUNG, FOR THE GOOD OF THE WORLD!
I too hate the idea of doing it, but realistically until they find a better way.... Im sure there is a better way but until they utilise it, better the bunnies eyes then mine <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
i feel bad now. Im gonna go eat a salad.
IMHO hunting is ok and as long as you don't rip a leg off a dear with an axe then shoot it in the other leg and let it suffer to death, I am alright with it. A clean head shot, thats all.
Hunting has been around since the dawn of man and practicing it in a legit, orderly way, to learn what our ancestors did and hold that instinctive art, is alright by my books.
I agree with animal testing as long as it is for the good of humanity.
What really bothers me are those persistant green peace protestors or PETA people, who just over do it.
But its all good,
/me runs to IGA for meat.
ACk, society is getting lazier <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Tell that to the 17 page religion discussion we had a while back. Oooh-wee, that was fun.
As far as my views go, there's a difference between experimentation for cash and experimentation for comfort and experimentation for lifesaving.
Vaccine that needs tested on monkeys? Do so.
Need to test on a rabbit to see if the soap is safe? Use chemical reactions instead.
What about dolphins? They have the potential to become the smartest animal in the planet, do they deserve to die on a fishing boat because they can't see the nets?
On the pig issue: Did you know that there is a theory that humans have evolved from pigs. Pigs and humans have similiar structure and they are very intelligent animals, Humans > Dolphins > Pigs > Monkeys > Some birds <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
The major problem people have with the way pig are treated are how the sows (female pigs that have had one or more litters of little pigs (NOT PIGLETS!! WHOEVER CALLS THEM PIGLETS GET SHOT!!)) are put into these "crates"
<img src='http://www.vittetoeinc.com/images/0250.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
they spend anywhere from 6-7 weeks per litter in these things. They are in well venilated, temperature controlled buildings and fed on a daily basis. Now, PETA (<b>P</b>eople for the <b>E</b>thical <b>T</b>reatment of <b>A</b>nimals,my sworn enemy) says that this is cruel to the sows. However, it is crueler to NOT put them in the crates, becasue:
A: THey are indoors, out doors the little pigs get eaten by raccoon and coyotes.
B:It prvents them from injuring themsleves and their litter, sometimes they like to "eat" the babys....
C: It allows us to work on them and the litters easier.
This is the best way, the sows can stand up and lay down, they just can't move, but they're not supposed to when they have a litter anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What PETA criticises very ineffectively here is in fact not your fault at all, but a structural mistake of the agricultural politics since the end of WW2:
In that time, Europe, which was haunted by famines, needed food in great quantities. Thus, both the European countries and the US, which could export their surplusses, started creating nutrients after one, and only one, premise: Quantity. This premise did not change since then, and is the reason we have to fight BSE & co., but also shows itself here:
The pigs you are growing on your farm have pretty much nothing in common with an average pic of a pre-WW2 farm: They're less intelligent, grow faster, have less fat tissue (which improves the meat ratio per 'unit', but makes them taste like shoelaces compared to a 'traditional' pig which had just much more juicy meat), and so on. This was created by a very rigid form of breeding, which also made the pigs forget pretty much all of their social instincts - hence, sows try to eat their babies, they just don't have any emotional bond to them anymore.
What PETA <i>should</i> attack is the system that forces you and your parents to produce in quantity instead of quality. What they <i>are</i> attacking is the easiest target - you.
as for fishing/hunting, if i was lost in the wilderness of alaska i would have no second thoughts of killing an animal for food be it a bear, godzilla of some fish. hunting/fishing for sport comes under unecesarry cruelty and i do not agree with it.
humans > animals (including the cute dolphins)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That IS natural selection in action. It's the little stupid-f***s weeding themselves out of the general populace.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ironically enough, the off-topic discussion on the Natural Selection forums has converged to talking about... natural selection. Does this mean we need to move the topic to the general discussions board? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously, though, I agree with the above poster that hacking off a deer's leg with an axe and shooting off the other leg with a gun and letting it die in pain and suffering is wrong, but does anyone really do that? I think the closest analogy we can draw here is locking down 2 hives and spawn-camping the skulks to prolong the game. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Now *that*'s animal cruelty.
Assuming that anything out there is hostile to us is as wrong as assuming that all animals live in a kind of 'perfect harmony'. The keyword in describing nature is 'ambivalence'.
PETA = morons
I'm sure some of you have read what <a href='http://maddox.xmission.com' target='_blank'>Maddox</a> has to say about PETA. And he is 100% correct. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't like what Maddox had to say about The Matrix: Reloaded (I liked it, as opposed to the vehemently established haters of EVERYTHING), but I did agree with him on one point: never, under ANY circumstances should we be shown Keanu Reeves' butt-crack. *Shivers* Also, he's right about PETA, they only do something when it's a convienence to THEM.
There's this websyte I was e-mailed that consists basicly of a hobby some asin nation has taken up, putting young animals (mostly cats) in a container of some type and leting them grow inside it, allowing them to grow to the shape of the container. It's just wrong. It's called a Bonsai Kitten.
I've also heard that this whole thing could be a hoax, but it's still gruesome enough to say that thee is no way these guys should get away with doing something like this!! I don't suggest going here, as it is evil and you will feel extremely sick. It isn't hard to find, for any of you looking, but i'm not putting the link on here, because it's BAD!!!
Rabbits don't make noise unless it's a dire dire situation.
A rabbits scream is a horrible horrible noise that scares the S out of people, I haven't heard my rabbit make any noises but I have a neighboor who has heard a rabbit make noise, and he said it's not pretty...
animal testing is usually a bad thing...
The guys @ rotten made the site I think...
Read the post more carefully next time
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as for fishing/hunting, if i was lost in the wilderness of alaska i would have no second thoughts of killing an animal for food be it a bear, godzilla or some fish. hunting/fishing for sport comes under unecesarry cruelty and i do not agree with it.
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notice i said fishing for sport is unesscecary cruelty, not fishing in general
That's why I don't bathe and none of you should either, think of the dustmites, won't someone please think of the dustmites?
Reading all this about rabbits screaming reminds me of the Mad Maxx series they used to show on MTV's liquid television, anyone remember the episode where the little girl finds the injured bunny in her back yard and keeps it in a box under her bed? Man that was disturbing.
That's why I don't bathe and none of you should either, think of the dustmites, won't someone please think of the dustmites?
Reading all this about rabbits screaming reminds me of the Mad Maxx series they used to show on MTV's liquid television, anyone remember the episode where the little girl finds the injured bunny in her back yard and keeps it in a box under her bed? Man that was disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes it was... but i was like what 10 when that came on? i watched bits and pieces of the episode and it has disturbed me ever since.
That's why I don't bathe and none of you should either, think of the dustmites, won't someone please think of the dustmites?
Reading all this about rabbits screaming reminds me of the Mad Maxx series they used to show on MTV's liquid television, anyone remember the episode where the little girl finds the injured bunny in her back yard and keeps it in a box under her bed? Man that was disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes it was... but i was like what 10 when that came on? i watched bits and pieces of the episode and it has disturbed me ever since. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
? What was so disturbing about a bunny under your bed? Afraid it's gonna get your carrots?
If i see rabit on a plate I think mmm.
That's why I don't bathe and none of you should either, think of the dustmites, won't someone please think of the dustmites?
Reading all this about rabbits screaming reminds me of the Mad Maxx series they used to show on MTV's liquid television, anyone remember the episode where the little girl finds the injured bunny in her back yard and keeps it in a box under her bed? Man that was disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes it was... but i was like what 10 when that came on? i watched bits and pieces of the episode and it has disturbed me ever since. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
? What was so disturbing about a bunny under your bed? Afraid it's gonna get your carrots? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well considering she put the thing in the box, it died, she kept it there for like a month, her parents smelled something and came in her room while she was *hugging* it one time... uh... yea
Sounds pretty sick series to me!
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Where can I find it?
Now since this thread has been derailed to a state where it can't be repaired, I take the privilidge of derailing some more:
My cat is sick. It hasn't been eating anything for about 3 days now. Normally she eats several times a day but now she just lies there and moves very slowly and just looks like she needs her batteries recharged but she just doesn't want to eat. She drinks though. I guess I have to take her to a vet or something <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->