1) You're a putz for making the screen twice as wide as it should be. 2) This thread demonstrates yet again that people need to <b>read the freaking thread</b> before they post in it. Like 4 people posted and told the exact same thing about status.
The score is useless. Player name and ping are all that should be there. There should be no frags count when you type status in console. There should be no easy way to count frags, at all, really.
"For" and "With". Two completly different things, yet you fail to see how "Kills" and "Score" are just as different. You get "Kills" for your team, however, getting a "Score" "With" your team would be much perferable to the commander being able to better control his troops.
Killing for your team is different than killing with your team. Killing for your team suggests that you rambo off into some side-tracked area of the map and shoot stuff alone until you run out of ammo or health; whichever comes first. Killing for your team can be used while completing a objective, yes, however it just doesn't mean as much to the atmosphere of NS when you do it alone. Killing WITH your team however means that you move in a group and kill things together, working together to bring down a fade for example. You can work together and kill things to accomplish a objective, yes, and this benefits the atmosphere of NS by "A bunch of marines move in and kick some major alien **** as a group, working together with eachother."
Kills are meaningless to the individual; atleast they should be. Ever since Quake its all been about death-match or team-death-match and the scores the plaerys have. The player at the top of either the chart or the team's chart is the player who has gained the most kills (aka "Frags", possibly comming from when a rocket hit the player and "FRAGmented" him.). Kills however is not a score. A score is a rating based on the actions (or in-actions) of a player. Just like a test, you get a score based on your performance. Thus, score IS your performance.
Anyone that does't read the thread gets a score of 0 out of something (4), for example. Someone who DOES read the thread and posts something gets a score of 1. Someone who reads the entire thread and makes a fairly good point on the entire disscusion gets the best score, in this case a 4 out of 4. The same should be true in any game, you get a score based on your performance in the game played by the players who will work as a team to gain the highest score, and though they may not win, they knwo that they tried their best as everyone knows that everyone tried because they were all there... Together.
As a team. And let me reitterate: There is no "i", in team. There is no "I got these many kills!" in a team-based side in the game.
In a different perspective: Each soccer player works as a team. They all move, with a single goal: to get the ball in the net to score. Someone who continually says "Hey, i got 3 in that round." possibly didn't work with the team; he could've just gotten the ball from the start and did it all the way over to the net and got a point. However, he could have worked with the team and gotten the ball in anways, though in saying he got the ball in <i>he does not give credit to his team</i> mates that helped him get the ball in.
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If it gets down to it, I'll freaking mark tallys down on a sheet of paper, just to spite everyone who firmly believes simply knowing how many kills you have ruins EVERYTHING. Or are they gonna call the frag police? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I play just as well knowing my score, and not knowing my score. Some babies may cry or brag about it, but oh well.
Simply saying "Hey cool, thats an all time high for me, 47 frags in one game" does NOT mean you aren't a team player. Period. You could be the absolute best team player, and if you mention anything about your kills, your suddenly an evil non team player? Please.
Frags don't matter? Ok, I'll buy that. It's the end result that matters not individual score, but I don't want to be hated automatically and shunned for not being a "team player" just because I got a good score that day.
"Please everyone. If you knife an onos, contain your excitement. Or else."
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<!--QuoteBegin--Maveric+Jun 13 2003, 06:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Jun 13 2003, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In a different perspective: Each soccer player works as a team. They all move, with a single goal: to get the ball in the net to score. Someone who continually says "Hey, i got 3 in that round." possibly didn't work with the team; he could've just gotten the ball from the start and did it all the way over to the net and got a point. However, he could have worked with the team and gotten the ball in anways, though in saying he got the ball in <i>he does not give credit to his team</i> mates that helped him get the ball in. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yet they still keep track of statistics in soccer such as goals (same thing as frags in NS), and somehow they still manage to work as a team and don't turn into a bunch of stat ****. Just because someone can see their score doesn't mean they turn into someone who won't ever even bother to attack buildings because "they don't give a frag". It appears that you think that caring about your ratio means you are not helping the team. Having a good score and caring about maintaining one does not make you useless to the team or a bad team player, generally it will actually make you a superior player thus helping out your team more than a casual player who doesn't really care about his ingame performance.
I would just like to chip in with a quick L O L to signify that the original post made me chuckle in a manner which could possibly be interpreted as laughing in an audible fashion.
Har! Har har!
And, just so this doesn't get nuked as a postcount++:
Maveric: It is a combined FPS/RTS. FPS stands for First Person Shooter. Someone who dies without ever killing an alien is deadweight. Scorewhoring is a quantifiable way to measure your progress in the deathmatching aspect of the game. And to suppose that <i>necesarily</i> a scorewhore will disobey direct or even general requests is ridiculous.
But then hey HOORAH FOR SAVAGELY MAULING DECEASED EQUINES.
For those that haven't picked up on the point [yet], it is the way you can by-pass the original intent of marines not being able to see the scores by typing "status" in the console to see your score when you really shouldn't and shouldn't need to. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I guess i should've put that in the original post... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> Then i wouldn't get all these ...
It's difficult enough to determine your score as a marine (and as an alien in 1.1, I imagine) for it to matter in-game. You have to open console, type, and then work your way through a bunch of poorly formatted numbers to figure it out. It's fine at the end of the game, but it won't have much of an effect mid-game. Gasp, you're busy playing (I hope)! When you could find out instantly at any point in the game, it made more of a difference.
The problem for me is that I like numbers and statistics. I like having something quantifiable that I can point to and say, "I did this for the team". I prefer to play aliens because I like seeing my score, and if you say that makes me a bad teamplayer I'll tell you where to go. I report moving marines, save RT's in trouble, escort the gorge, clear hives and generally do everything an alien is supposed to do.
Just because I like to know my score doesn't make me a bad team player... and Maveric, I don't care what you say your point was, in your original post you said caring about score was "disgusting" in a team based game. That, frankly, disgusts me that you can be so closed-minded.
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2) This thread demonstrates yet again that people need to <b>read the freaking thread</b> before they post in it. Like 4 people posted and told the exact same thing about status.
Player name and ping are all that should be there.
There should be no frags count when you type status in console.
There should be no easy way to count frags, at all, really.
"For" and "With". Two completly different things, yet you fail to see how "Kills" and "Score" are just as different. You get "Kills" for your team, however, getting a "Score" "With" your team would be much perferable to the commander being able to better control his troops.
Killing for your team is different than killing with your team. Killing for your team suggests that you rambo off into some side-tracked area of the map and shoot stuff alone until you run out of ammo or health; whichever comes first. Killing for your team can be used while completing a objective, yes, however it just doesn't mean as much to the atmosphere of NS when you do it alone. Killing WITH your team however means that you move in a group and kill things together, working together to bring down a fade for example. You can work together and kill things to accomplish a objective, yes, and this benefits the atmosphere of NS by "A bunch of marines move in and kick some major alien **** as a group, working together with eachother."
Kills are meaningless to the individual; atleast they should be. Ever since Quake its all been about death-match or team-death-match and the scores the plaerys have. The player at the top of either the chart or the team's chart is the player who has gained the most kills (aka "Frags", possibly comming from when a rocket hit the player and "FRAGmented" him.). Kills however is not a score. A score is a rating based on the actions (or in-actions) of a player. Just like a test, you get a score based on your performance. Thus, score IS your performance.
Anyone that does't read the thread gets a score of 0 out of something (4), for example. Someone who DOES read the thread and posts something gets a score of 1. Someone who reads the entire thread and makes a fairly good point on the entire disscusion gets the best score, in this case a 4 out of 4. The same should be true in any game, you get a score based on your performance in the game played by the players who will work as a team to gain the highest score, and though they may not win, they knwo that they tried their best as everyone knows that everyone tried because they were all there... Together.
As a team.
And let me reitterate: There is no "i", in team. There is no "I got these many kills!" in a team-based side in the game.
In a different perspective: Each soccer player works as a team. They all move, with a single goal: to get the ball in the net to score. Someone who continually says "Hey, i got 3 in that round." possibly didn't work with the team; he could've just gotten the ball from the start and did it all the way over to the net and got a point. However, he could have worked with the team and gotten the ball in anways, though in saying he got the ball in <i>he does not give credit to his team</i> mates that helped him get the ball in.
If it gets down to it, I'll freaking mark tallys down on a sheet of paper, just to spite everyone who firmly believes simply knowing how many kills you have ruins EVERYTHING. Or are they gonna call the frag police? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I play just as well knowing my score, and not knowing my score. Some babies may cry or brag about it, but oh well.
Simply saying "Hey cool, thats an all time high for me, 47 frags in one game" does NOT mean you aren't a team player. Period. You could be the absolute best team player, and if you mention anything about your kills, your suddenly an evil non team player? Please.
Frags don't matter? Ok, I'll buy that. It's the end result that matters not individual score, but I don't want to be hated automatically and shunned for not being a "team player" just because I got a good score that day.
"Please everyone. If you knife an onos, contain your excitement. Or else."
Yet they still keep track of statistics in soccer such as goals (same thing as frags in NS), and somehow they still manage to work as a team and don't turn into a bunch of stat ****. Just because someone can see their score doesn't mean they turn into someone who won't ever even bother to attack buildings because "they don't give a frag". It appears that you think that caring about your ratio means you are not helping the team. Having a good score and caring about maintaining one does not make you useless to the team or a bad team player, generally it will actually make you a superior player thus helping out your team more than a casual player who doesn't really care about his ingame performance.
Har! Har har!
And, just so this doesn't get nuked as a postcount++:
Maveric:
It is a combined FPS/RTS. FPS stands for First Person Shooter. Someone who dies without ever killing an alien is deadweight. Scorewhoring is a quantifiable way to measure your progress in the deathmatching aspect of the game. And to suppose that <i>necesarily</i> a scorewhore will disobey direct or even general requests is ridiculous.
But then hey HOORAH FOR SAVAGELY MAULING DECEASED EQUINES.
I guess i should've put that in the original post... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> Then i wouldn't get all these ...
Just because I like to know my score doesn't make me a bad team player... and Maveric, I don't care what you say your point was, in your original post you said caring about score was "disgusting" in a team based game. That, frankly, disgusts me that you can be so closed-minded.