I watched this and I see absolutely <b><i>nothing</i></b> suspicious<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> are you sure you watched the whole demo. i know it doesnt seem suspicious at start, but towards the end its so obvious it's funny.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Originally posted by Tiax-
me nether frogg....Though I would like someone to compare it to the one of boo. I watched BoB's and he didnt' seem to have perfect aim or anything. Though I only watched about a minute of it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> about a minute doesnt really count. watch the whole thing if you want to comment.
further proof. bob's wonid matched those of this guy called Reaps caught cheating on a UK cs server. ( <a href='http://www.iguk.org/?a=draft&user_id=211)' target='_blank'>http://www.iguk.org/?a=draft&user_id=211)</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 01/07/2003 17:48:59 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#1, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 17:49:16 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#2, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 17:56:18 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#3, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 17:58:55 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#4, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 18:09:13 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#1, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 18:10:27 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#2, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 18:11:01 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#3 (aim#3, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and this name matches that of the guy who recently was kicked out of a UK Natural Selection clan for being accuesed of cheating by other clans. see the post named <b> Now for the bad news <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--></b>(link: <a href='http://www.in-range.net/index.php?page=news)' target='_blank'>http://www.in-range.net/index.php?page=news)</a> whose name and wonid matches of the guy playing as Bob on the demo.
now before you makeup your minds about a person cheating, please watch the whole damn demo and then decide.
Alright I examined the demo and I noticed a few things. He tended to miss. He used burst fire a lot. Even in close range or in adrenaline pumping fights. Also, he tended to shoot at chambers for a while and then suddenly nail a skulk that his been in his view for at least 5 seconds. My explanation? He was using the aimbot that aims once before shooting. Hence, he missed because they moved around. He used burst fire to help him track the targets., because it aims only once per click. Finally the skulk on the screen. It comes after he kills his first Fade. You see him kill a defense chamber and then kill a skulk that has been on his screen for quite a while. He simply ignored the skulk or did not know it was there. Oh and for those of you that say that burst fire is helpful, it isn't when you click your fire key 5 to 10 times a second. One more thing. Aimbotter can' handle an Onos eh? Tell that to an aimbot/pistol script. I tried this out and easily downed Onos with 2 to 3 clips of pistol ammo. And don't worry, it was just bots.
Oh I forgot, to really test out an aimbotter, get one of your buds to get redemtion while you watch. Make sure your friend has high HP (Gorge, Fade, Onos). And just try to avoid him as he shoots at you. When you redemt it is so obvious if someone is cheating. They will still be locked onto the placed where the alien redempted from. It's also a great way to take him down. One person is the bait and the other goes in for the kill.
Really? This happened to boo and I thought it was odd. He was shooting a fade and it redempted then he started shooting to the side for a moment. I wonder if I caught that in the video or if that was after...gotta watch it agian I guess.
Yeah its in there, right after boo dies and respawns. The fade comes out and kills his friend and he seemst o look at it before it moved, which leads me to believe aimbot locking on. Plus afte rhe kills the fade he keeps shooting as he aims left more. Im not sure if thats what your talking about or not.
Is there anyway to rewind and fastforward a recording?
I watched this and I see absolutely <b><i>nothing</i></b> suspicious<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> are you sure you watched the whole demo. i know it doesnt seem suspicious at start, but towards the end its so obvious it's funny.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Originally posted by Tiax-
me nether frogg....Though I would like someone to compare it to the one of boo. I watched BoB's and he didnt' seem to have perfect aim or anything. Though I only watched about a minute of it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> about a minute doesnt really count. watch the whole thing if you want to comment.
further proof. bob's wonid matched those of this guy called Reaps caught cheating on a UK cs server. ( <a href='http://www.iguk.org/?a=draft&user_id=211)' target='_blank'>http://www.iguk.org/?a=draft&user_id=211)</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 01/07/2003 17:48:59 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#1, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 17:49:16 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#2, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 17:56:18 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#3, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 17:58:55 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#4, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 18:09:13 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#1, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 18:10:27 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#2, HLG 1.35 at 30/3) 01/07/2003 18:11:01 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#3 (aim#3, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and this name matches that of the guy who recently was kicked out of a UK Natural Selection clan for being accuesed of cheating by other clans. see the post named <b> Now for the bad news <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--></b>(link: <a href='http://www.in-range.net/index.php?page=news)' target='_blank'>http://www.in-range.net/index.php?page=news)</a> whose name and wonid matches of the guy playing as Bob on the demo.
now before you makeup your minds about a person cheating, please watch the whole damn demo and then decide.
adnans <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> FYI aimbot warnings with HLG doesnt mean an aimbot has been detected. It just means that they have been very accurate over a short period of time.
I did watch the whole demo and I saw nothing suspicious.
<!--QuoteBegin--Agkelos+Jun 19 2003, 10:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Agkelos @ Jun 19 2003, 10:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tiax, get something to do instead of trying to prove to others how you and your pals died to a guy with great aim. WHAT IF IT WAS REAL? THAT HE WAS AN INNOCENT GUY WITH A EXTRAORDINARY GIFT FOR PERFECT AIM?
<b>DO YOU WANNA HURT HIS POOR LIFE MORE BY RUINING HIS REPUTATION? BY GETTING HIM BANNED FROM THE GAME HE LOVES?</b>
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> On a similar note, I got banned from the DEADCLAN server for "hacking". And I thought this was supposted to be a professional and good clan <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Frogg2+Jun 20 2003, 08:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frogg2 @ Jun 20 2003, 08:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Corrado+Jun 20 2003, 04:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Corrado @ Jun 20 2003, 04:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What I found odd though was when he stopped for absolutely no reasons at all. Why anyone would do this (apart from tuning hacks) is beyond me. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> To type. No doubt to the aliens who were screaming hacks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I stop plenty of times like that just to LISTEN.
<!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Jun 19 2003, 06:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Jun 19 2003, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I thought he was generally suspicious. I might watch it over again.
The one thing, other than his astonishingly good aim, that made me think he +might+ h4x is the fact he can't handle his JP too well. I've noticed those who are good shots or generally just good players can 9 times out of 10 handle themselves well with a jetpack.
The bullets coming out sideways from his gun was a bit odd too. But that might just be dodgy HL code in action <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I aim uber well. I lerk uber well. I Always fall and brake my legs jetpacking.
Oh and did it seem like he had no sound? He would start chasing an alien and about 50% he would lose them at a t-junction even though you could hear them so obviously to the opposite of the way he went. I'm gonna watch the demo with a wallhack/radar on to see if he used any of that good stuff.
It scares me how so many people have hacks sitting on their computer that they apparently don't use in games... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
it also scared me how one player can cause such a witchhunt. I've seen it, I've participated in it, and I know it happens. You're having a bad day, you get owned, and you yell OMG TEH HAX, and then others get owned and join in. You goad each other until you take a demo and watch for non-existent stuff. Then you show it to others who have had similar experiences with "hackers" and we all get back into the old mindset. Our adrenaline starts pumping......our eyes see the minutest turns of the player model as the player could have done nothing more serious than bumping his mouse while talking to his mother (I know I routinely have to talk to my mom while playing NS), and then this player goes out and owns some fades, gets destroyed a few times, but everyone is convinced he's guilty. I am not on Boo's computer, but I HAVE used OGC in Counter-Strike (I left CS because of the hackers, but wanted to see what the attraction was. I found I was better without the OGC). I saw none of the characteristic things you all seem to think you see. I've watched the demo probably 5-6 times by now, and I still don't see it. I'm sorry, but I just don't think it's there.
You know actually upon watching that demo a second time I see nothing that a good player would be unable to do. Those two bitching skulks just plained sucked and the fades just walked BACKWARDS away from him in a perfectly straight line like morons. He still very well could have been hacking, but I think all those alien bitchers need to play some ppl with skill...........
I personally think that something is not legit about this person.
i also saw the sideways shooting of this person.
when he was in the air, on several occasions, he was doing a fast spinning movement when shooting skulks below him.
when he respawned back after his first death, he killed a skulk through a marine. i believe the third fade that he was trying to kill, the fade was dodging back and forth and he was staying right on him even though he couldn't see where the fade was, he still knew exactly where the fade's position was especially when the fade was going back to the com core hive. and he was looking at the wall in south loop.
Ok, I didnt read page 7 and 8 (and not all of the rest, I just skimmed, tis a lot of stuff to read) ... but how in gods name can you doubt that being an aimbot? I have seen much less obvious "hackers" (as you said in the demo, it's not really hacking, it's just downloading some crap proggie and using it)
Now seriously ... I've seen this stuff at its earliest when it popped it's head into cs. Back then I loved cs and around beta 5 - 6 there came the "as good as" perfect wallhack ... (I'll explain why I know so much about hax at the end of the post) ... it edited the sprites for the walls and with a simple command you removed them completely ... that was taken out, all good, all good ...
so it got fixed ... around beta 7 if I'm not mistaken ... tbh 2 full betas to remove a simple command ... pretty sad ... in the meantime they had other tricks like proxies (got removed around beta 6), spiked models (they were actually in before the wallhack, but they didnt stay very long) and some other fun stuff for the kiddies to play with ... so all got fixed ... around beta 7 in cs with the wallhack gone and not many real aids anymore except maybe some commands to replace the old "lambert" and brighten everything up a bit ... nothing really bad.
so with the brand new name of "version 1" ... I guess the cheaters figured they had to do something big ... in the meantime they had them crappy aimbots (if anyone remembers, the ones that worked with colored models ... was real fun to spray a 4 colorspray on the walls and see the hackers that couldnt get their scope off the wall)
And then ... they actually started programming stuff ... one guy on one forum that as good as died out (a hackers forum) ... put together a simple programmed wallhack ... now from here on in there came programmed aimbots that were tough as ****, you couldnt beat its aim, didnt work with colored models so those sprays did nothing anymore ...
Hacks are simply the reason why people quit counterstrike ... I pulled out around version 1 which is later then some, earlier then most ... until those gl hacks the hackers werent much more then a bit of an annoyance that popped up once in a while ... at the moment though, they are simply everywhere ... worst thing of all call someone a hacker on a server and they'l call "you" the lamer because "you only call him that cause he can shoot you, noob". ... to be honest I'm pretty sick of people defending hackers because yes, they do believe it's just something made up ...
so why do I know all this? ... because I followed it all unfold ... I remember around beta 4 - 5 I first saw a skinhack in cs ... allthough it was funny (and a more then a bit annoying) I wanted to know how it worked ... so I looked it up and wonder by wonder I actually stumbled on a hacking site ... havent stopped visiting those sites since ... I check them for new hacks, I test them, I see what I'm up against ...
I'm not gonna post the sites on here ... and giving them to the admins of the board, sure if they want, though I'm sure they allready have them and know ...
there are currently 2 aimbots I know of for ns ... I only tested one, but I reckon they're about the same ... (I tested, on an empty server with a friend btw, not on a pub) to be honest, the best results came from the lmg ... the shotgun didnt give much difference and the hmg ... well we didnt test it on fades as it showed in the movie, but on skulks it's pretty much the same ...
Take in account though that in the movie the guy was jetpacking ... now jetpacking with perfect aim? ... now you can be good, but actually jetpacking AND hitting 9/10 bullets ... uhuh
btw ... I didnt post this to get flamed or to show off or anything, I posted this to be informative, if I do get heaps of negative responses, I'm editing the post and leaving only this line ...
I think its a very good post. Im glad that most people seem to agree with me, it tells me that im probably right (again, hehe)....not that I doubted myself.
Im sure when 1.1 comes around this guy will vanish...that is until a new compatable aimbots released.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am 95% sure that aimbots remove the cone of fire from the LMG and the HMG. I tried out an aimbot in a lan versus bots and I nailed a skulk all the way from the bunker to alien aproach (map was seige) with 10 LMG bullets<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
aimbots are clientside only and the cone is not the only thing that is suspecious was the flashlight
Hahaha, I've never seen an aimbotter before (that I know of), but now I know I have. I've seen some pretty weird sh*t aiming done by clanners, but that one went trough the roof. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Veterans shouldn't be so touchy about people not willing to swallow everything as "skill". I'm sure you like to boost your ego by thinking your so good you get accused for hacking, but let's try to focus on this case. Not everyone less-skilled is a jealous **** who just wants to ban you because of your extreme skills, you know?
BTW. What kind of BAD aliens get 2 hives and like... 8 fades? Either I'm playing in totally n00b servers or it seemed like the aliens were superb compared to marines.
Yeah, the aliens were not bad players. By the way, the aliens won that game. Even one aimbot user can't win a whole game...he runs out of ammo and gets overwealmed eventually.
This isn't an aimbotter. To see why you have to see someone you know is aimbotting, or try one out yourself (they are sadly not hard to find). The thing that clues you in is how he first aims at the skulk. Even on the lowest setting on the bot snaps you from where you were looking to the enemy instantly, there's no inbetween. Boo's movement was fluid, which is the movement of a hand on a mouse, and also he looked away after a skulk was in his vision, which is difficult when you have an aimbot.
Listen, if you think someone is cheating (aimbot, speedhack, not encluding using the flashlight), keep it to yourself and record a demo. Then post it on forums somewhere where admins can see it. Make sure you type out the wonid in spec chat so they can see it. Do not, under any circumstances, start yelling "CHEETS" because it won't stop someone who is cheating in the first place, and when they AREN'T cheating (which is most of the time) it's just going to waste anyone's time. Believe it or not, there are a ton of people out there who are better than you. Learn to live with it. If you don't like how often you are dying, try another server.
I have gotten banned twice in the past week and my clan mates get banned routinely for hacking, which is rediculous, when they dont and I dont. Skilled players just want to play to, yo.
Actually you can turn aimbots on and off with a flip of a button. In fact you could easily bind two attack keys, One attack key auto aims auto shoots, the other is normal.
Just because boo isnt' looking at every skulk 24/7 doesn't mean he isn't using the aimbot. And aimbots do not flip you instantly, at least not the one I played with. When I was testing it out my aim tracked smoothly, not instant. Few aimbot users would be stupid enough to leave it on allt he time, they would all almost always have a key to turn it on and off easily. Why? Because they don't want to look like they are cheating, and they need to bea ble to turn it off so they can run away, shoot a structure, etc.
Ive tested an aimbot to learn from it and ive seen aimbot users in games (boo). He uses an aimbot, bottom line. If your banned because someone thinks your cheating because of your leet skill then find another server...find one with admins who aren't quite so quick to ban. Many admins will let you send a recording of your gameplay or do any number of other things to prove your case. Ether way, as mentioned above, its easy to tell when someone is using an aimbot....and if you happen to be that one in 3 million person who has perfect aim due to skill or your computer, tough luck I guess.
<!--QuoteBegin--(e)kent+Jun 21 2003, 03:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ((e)kent @ Jun 21 2003, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even on the lowest setting on the bot snaps you from where you were looking to the enemy instantly, there's no inbetween. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhm ... that's how the initial bots worked (the ones with the colored models) ... maybe you should test a more recent one ... atm you can choose between different settings (ow yes aimbots are not only combined with wallhacks nowadays, they also have an excessive amount of settings) you can choose to autoaim ... but not autofire ... you can choose to autofire but not auto-aim (when you move your mouse over the target it fires) You can make it "lock on" when you hit a button 'or' you can make it lock on automatically ... different ways of deciding the target, 'smoothness of the motion', ... all these and more are included nowadays ... as I tend to say to the people I've bored to death with "he's playing iffy" ... the only thing these guys still have to do is select the options, move around a little and they'll kill everything on their newbisch path.
Also I think it's sad that people assume because someone is in a clan he "can't possibly" be a hacker ... I've seen more then some clanned people that in all likelyhood are hackers and some that I'm absolutely sure of.
I've been accused of cheating before (ironically mostly as an alien since I'm a pretty good skulk on occasions) ... I'm not saying it doesnt offend me but usually it is because of "surprise/ 'no way'-effects". So not everyne that accuses anyone else is right ... but at least look for yourself and try not to have your decision set that he's 'just a sad noob that doesnt know any better'
I finally got a chance to watch the boo demo and yeah, he's an aimbotter. Couldn't be bothered to download winrar to watch bob.dem.
Tiax, I don't suppose you have boo's WonID so I can ban him from arsclan's server?
"Clan tags" taken as a whole are meaningless. You've got to know the specific clan to make a judgement based on the presence of the tag, especially as there are more than a few pub clans that don't compete in any meaningful sense of the word.
Uhm ... the wonid gets mentioned in the demo somewhere ... I allready deleted the demo again out of lack of space (for some reason I can't keep 1 gig of free space on my 36 gig hd free) I believe it comes after 3 - 4 minutes of play (probably didnt see the entire thing or just missed it .... I think it starts with a 7)
I watched to Bob replay and I didn't notice anything significant until late game when he was asked to leave the server. Then that's when he really started to be obvious.
I just watched the demo. This is a clear-cut case of a guy using an on/off switch on his hacks. At first, it's very obvious. Look how all (or almost all) of the shots of the HMG land on the fades. This is because his aimbot is aiming for the center. Almost impossible to do repeatedly (all shots on target with the HMG) by hand. Second, notice how he gets up on that ledge at comp core and does a perfect semi-circle sweep of his view while looking down and blasting a fade. Other hilarious instances include him tracking a fade then right after the fade rounds a corner the aim stops right at the edge. And obviously, the AFK thing that set off the "Near 100% Alarm". After every vote he turns it off, then back on. Towards the end it's on/off from what I can remember.
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alias sr "stop; alias res re"
alias res re
bind x res
Hit the button once, give it a name, hit it again to stop the demo.
I watched this and I see absolutely <b><i>nothing</i></b> suspicious<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
are you sure you watched the whole demo. i know it doesnt seem suspicious at start, but towards the end its so obvious it's funny.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Originally posted by Tiax-
me nether frogg....Though I would like someone to compare it to the one of boo. I watched BoB's and he didnt' seem to have perfect aim or anything. Though I only watched about a minute of it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
about a minute doesnt really count. watch the whole thing if you want to comment.
further proof. bob's wonid matched those of this guy called Reaps caught cheating on a UK cs server. ( <a href='http://www.iguk.org/?a=draft&user_id=211)' target='_blank'>http://www.iguk.org/?a=draft&user_id=211)</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 01/07/2003 17:48:59 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#1, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 17:49:16 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#2, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 17:56:18 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#3, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 17:58:55 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#4, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 18:09:13 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#1, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 18:10:27 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#2, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 18:11:01 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#3 (aim#3, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and this name matches that of the guy who recently was kicked out of a UK Natural Selection clan for being accuesed of cheating by other clans. see the post named <b> Now for the bad news <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--></b>(link: <a href='http://www.in-range.net/index.php?page=news)' target='_blank'>http://www.in-range.net/index.php?page=news)</a> whose name and wonid matches of the guy playing as Bob on the demo.
now before you makeup your minds about a person cheating, please watch the whole damn demo and then decide.
adnans
Yeah its in there, right after boo dies and respawns. The fade comes out and kills his friend and he seemst o look at it before it moved, which leads me to believe aimbot locking on. Plus afte rhe kills the fade he keeps shooting as he aims left more. Im not sure if thats what your talking about or not.
Is there anyway to rewind and fastforward a recording?
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are you sure you watched the whole demo. i know it doesnt seem suspicious at start, but towards the end its so obvious it's funny.
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me nether frogg....Though I would like someone to compare it to the one of boo. I watched BoB's and he didnt' seem to have perfect aim or anything. Though I only watched about a minute of it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
about a minute doesnt really count. watch the whole thing if you want to comment.
further proof. bob's wonid matched those of this guy called Reaps caught cheating on a UK cs server. ( <a href='http://www.iguk.org/?a=draft&user_id=211)' target='_blank'>http://www.iguk.org/?a=draft&user_id=211)</a>
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01/07/2003 17:49:16 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#2, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 17:56:18 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#3, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 17:58:55 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#4, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 18:09:13 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#1 (aim#1, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
01/07/2003 18:10:27 -> Reaps uniqueid: 1302556 IP:80.4.163.53 aimbot warning#2 (aim#2, HLG 1.35 at 30/3)
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and this name matches that of the guy who recently was kicked out of a UK Natural Selection clan for being accuesed of cheating by other clans. see the post named <b> Now for the bad news <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--></b>(link: <a href='http://www.in-range.net/index.php?page=news)' target='_blank'>http://www.in-range.net/index.php?page=news)</a> whose name and wonid matches of the guy playing as Bob on the demo.
now before you makeup your minds about a person cheating, please watch the whole damn demo and then decide.
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FYI aimbot warnings with HLG doesnt mean an aimbot has been detected. It just means that they have been very accurate over a short period of time.
I did watch the whole demo and I saw nothing suspicious.
<b>DO YOU WANNA HURT HIS POOR LIFE MORE BY RUINING HIS REPUTATION? BY GETTING HIM BANNED FROM THE GAME HE LOVES?</b>
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On a similar note, I got banned from the DEADCLAN server for "hacking". And I thought this was supposted to be a professional and good clan <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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To type. No doubt to the aliens who were screaming hacks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I stop plenty of times like that just to LISTEN.
But stopping like that doesn't mean your a hacker...people do go afk occasionally and sometimes they gotta keep stepping away.
The one thing, other than his astonishingly good aim, that made me think he +might+ h4x is the fact he can't handle his JP too well. I've noticed those who are good shots or generally just good players can 9 times out of 10 handle themselves well with a jetpack.
The bullets coming out sideways from his gun was a bit odd too. But that might just be dodgy HL code in action <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I aim uber well. I lerk uber well. I Always fall and brake my legs jetpacking.
This guys different because he is hacking and I wanted both the communities opinion...plus to inform the community of this guy.
i also saw the sideways shooting of this person.
when he was in the air, on several occasions, he was doing a fast spinning movement when shooting skulks below him.
when he respawned back after his first death, he killed a skulk through a marine. i believe the third fade that he was trying to kill, the fade was dodging back and forth and he was staying right on him even though he couldn't see where the fade was, he still knew exactly where the fade's position was especially when the fade was going back to the com core hive. and he was looking at the wall in south loop.
but how in gods name can you doubt that being an aimbot? I have seen much less obvious "hackers" (as you said in the demo, it's not really hacking, it's just downloading some crap proggie and using it)
Now seriously ... I've seen this stuff at its earliest when it popped it's head into cs. Back then I loved cs and around beta 5 - 6 there came the "as good as" perfect wallhack ... (I'll explain why I know so much about hax at the end of the post) ... it edited the sprites for the walls and with a simple command you removed them completely ... that was taken out, all good, all good ...
so it got fixed ... around beta 7 if I'm not mistaken ... tbh 2 full betas to remove a simple command ... pretty sad ... in the meantime they had other tricks like proxies (got removed around beta 6), spiked models (they were actually in before the wallhack, but they didnt stay very long) and some other fun stuff for the kiddies to play with ...
so all got fixed ... around beta 7 in cs with the wallhack gone and not many real aids anymore except maybe some commands to replace the old "lambert" and brighten everything up a bit ... nothing really bad.
so with the brand new name of "version 1" ... I guess the cheaters figured they had to do something big ... in the meantime they had them crappy aimbots (if anyone remembers, the ones that worked with colored models ... was real fun to spray a 4 colorspray on the walls and see the hackers that couldnt get their scope off the wall)
And then ... they actually started programming stuff ... one guy on one forum that as good as died out (a hackers forum) ... put together a simple programmed wallhack ... now from here on in there came programmed aimbots that were tough as ****, you couldnt beat its aim, didnt work with colored models so those sprays did nothing anymore ...
Hacks are simply the reason why people quit counterstrike ... I pulled out around version 1 which is later then some, earlier then most ... until those gl hacks the hackers werent much more then a bit of an annoyance that popped up once in a while ... at the moment though, they are simply everywhere ... worst thing of all call someone a hacker on a server and they'l call "you" the lamer because "you only call him that cause he can shoot you, noob". ... to be honest I'm pretty sick of people defending hackers because yes, they do believe it's just something made up ...
so why do I know all this? ... because I followed it all unfold ... I remember around beta 4 - 5 I first saw a skinhack in cs ... allthough it was funny (and a more then a bit annoying) I wanted to know how it worked ... so I looked it up and wonder by wonder I actually stumbled on a hacking site ... havent stopped visiting those sites since ... I check them for new hacks, I test them, I see what I'm up against ...
I'm not gonna post the sites on here ... and giving them to the admins of the board, sure if they want, though I'm sure they allready have them and know ...
there are currently 2 aimbots I know of for ns ... I only tested one, but I reckon they're about the same ... (I tested, on an empty server with a friend btw, not on a pub)
to be honest, the best results came from the lmg ...
the shotgun didnt give much difference and the hmg ... well we didnt test it on fades as it showed in the movie, but on skulks it's pretty much the same ...
Take in account though that in the movie the guy was jetpacking ... now jetpacking with perfect aim? ... now you can be good, but actually jetpacking AND hitting 9/10 bullets ... uhuh
btw ... I didnt post this to get flamed or to show off or anything, I posted this to be informative, if I do get heaps of negative responses, I'm editing the post and leaving only this line ...
Im sure when 1.1 comes around this guy will vanish...that is until a new compatable aimbots released.
aimbots are clientside only and the cone is not
the only thing that is suspecious was the flashlight
Veterans shouldn't be so touchy about people not willing to swallow everything as "skill". I'm sure you like to boost your ego by thinking your so good you get accused for hacking, but let's try to focus on this case. Not everyone less-skilled is a jealous **** who just wants to ban you because of your extreme skills, you know?
BTW. What kind of BAD aliens get 2 hives and like... 8 fades? Either I'm playing in totally n00b servers or it seemed like the aliens were superb compared to marines.
Listen, if you think someone is cheating (aimbot, speedhack, not encluding using the flashlight), keep it to yourself and record a demo. Then post it on forums somewhere where admins can see it. Make sure you type out the wonid in spec chat so they can see it. Do not, under any circumstances, start yelling "CHEETS" because it won't stop someone who is cheating in the first place, and when they AREN'T cheating (which is most of the time) it's just going to waste anyone's time. Believe it or not, there are a ton of people out there who are better than you. Learn to live with it. If you don't like how often you are dying, try another server.
I have gotten banned twice in the past week and my clan mates get banned routinely for hacking, which is rediculous, when they dont and I dont. Skilled players just want to play to, yo.
Just because boo isnt' looking at every skulk 24/7 doesn't mean he isn't using the aimbot. And aimbots do not flip you instantly, at least not the one I played with. When I was testing it out my aim tracked smoothly, not instant. Few aimbot users would be stupid enough to leave it on allt he time, they would all almost always have a key to turn it on and off easily. Why? Because they don't want to look like they are cheating, and they need to bea ble to turn it off so they can run away, shoot a structure, etc.
Ive tested an aimbot to learn from it and ive seen aimbot users in games (boo). He uses an aimbot, bottom line. If your banned because someone thinks your cheating because of your leet skill then find another server...find one with admins who aren't quite so quick to ban. Many admins will let you send a recording of your gameplay or do any number of other things to prove your case. Ether way, as mentioned above, its easy to tell when someone is using an aimbot....and if you happen to be that one in 3 million person who has perfect aim due to skill or your computer, tough luck I guess.
Uhm ... that's how the initial bots worked (the ones with the colored models) ... maybe you should test a more recent one ... atm you can choose between different settings (ow yes aimbots are not only combined with wallhacks nowadays, they also have an excessive amount of settings)
you can choose to autoaim ... but not autofire ... you can choose to autofire but not auto-aim (when you move your mouse over the target it fires)
You can make it "lock on" when you hit a button 'or' you can make it lock on automatically ... different ways of deciding the target, 'smoothness of the motion', ... all these and more are included nowadays ... as I tend to say to the people I've bored to death with "he's playing iffy" ... the only thing these guys still have to do is select the options, move around a little and they'll kill everything on their newbisch path.
Also I think it's sad that people assume because someone is in a clan he "can't possibly" be a hacker ... I've seen more then some clanned people that in all likelyhood are hackers and some that I'm absolutely sure of.
I've been accused of cheating before (ironically mostly as an alien since I'm a pretty good skulk on occasions) ... I'm not saying it doesnt offend me but usually it is because of "surprise/ 'no way'-effects". So not everyne that accuses anyone else is right ... but at least look for yourself and try not to have your decision set that he's 'just a sad noob that doesnt know any better'
Tiax, I don't suppose you have boo's WonID so I can ban him from arsclan's server?
"Clan tags" taken as a whole are meaningless. You've got to know the specific clan to make a judgement based on the presence of the tag, especially as there are more than a few pub clans that don't compete in any meaningful sense of the word.
I believe it comes after 3 - 4 minutes of play (probably didnt see the entire thing or just missed it .... I think it starts with a 7)