CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
Isnt 20 the strangest age? At least in America.
Your not a teenager anymore and in many regards you are legally an adult, but its not until 21 that you can do everything. Like be a cop or apply for many other jobs.
You cant be a cop but you can be a marine lol.
They dont trust you enough to buy a bottle of beer but you can run around with automatic weapons and grenade launchers or drive a muti million dollar war marchine around. The US has strange laws sometimes. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think that NS has too many intricaties for most very young players to grasp well. You can probably teach them to not sit in the chair, or turn into a fatty, but expecting them to not go lerk at one hive or following the commander's orders to the letter is too much. The whole strategy thing doesn't appeal to most younger (<10) players. I know I never cared for strategy games much until I played Starcraft at a friend's house when I was 11, and then the next week I spent over a month's hard earned allowance to buy it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Most young players lack combat skill as well, though I think that, as someone else pointed out, they just play the few odd times on their big brother's, or dad's computer and so they don't develop their full potential. I'm sure many young children could become decent NS players, combat wise, if they had the inclination to play often.
The whole "violent games warp young childrens minds" aspect is pure BS if you ask me though. Of course, this is coming from someone who played Doom when they were 6-7 years old.Besides having the occasional nightmare about being chased by some terrifying demon, I'd say it didn't affect me much. I played well for my age, though the concept of running through the level, killing anything that moves, and then flicking the switch at the end is much simpler than grasping the many facets of NS.
Anyways, I'd have to agree that NS is too complicated for, as you said, a seven year old or similar aged person to comprehend. There's games out there that would suit most of them better.
I dont mind kids in NS, its when they tell me things like, "ive played NS since it was on quake2" ...... it used to happen with CS also, where i was informed that the youngster had been plaing that since its beta tests on the original quake... he didnt even know what shareware was :S
I'm 14, so I can't really say much cause I'm still a kid.
But I don't really think that age is the problem, but skills and maturity. I'v seen 8 year olds act like some one twice his age. My friend's brother plays CS, and he is 8, and seriously, he is the most mature kid I'v ever seen. There are also some 20 year old guys that, when playing the game, they act like complete jerks, and just try and to act as the hero of the game and destroy the hive all by himself. I mean, I admit that I am not all that mature, and sometimes I act like a 5 year old when I'm having a bad day.
Skills are also quite important. You can't judge how good the person is just by the age. i have this friend, which is a complete Mortal Kombat fanatic, and when we were about 7, he used to kick some but from 16 year olds (and they were not being easy cause he was a small kid, since they were begining to get quite desperate <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> )
What do I think of younger players... hmm, tough one. The following are just random thoughts on younger players.
I dont think younger players should be playing Half life, especially a mod that involves heavy team play, communication, and tactics. The majority of the time, it degrades my own gaming experience when I have to play with a younger person, in the age range of 7 through about 12. Simply put, the maturity of the average 7 - 12 year old is severly lacking in comparison to the average 16, 17+ person, and that lack of maturity could cost you the game in some way or another.
As much as people might think its a stereotype... maturity is almost always proportional to age. There are rare exceptions, but they are so rare, its rather silly to expect when you encounter some 7 - 12 year old in game.
I could continue with the bad points about younger players for hours, since there are just so many things in NS where an older player would be far superior, but what about their good qualities?
I, like a previous poster, have also noticed that younger players will make a great effort when they are tasked with something. Even though they might not fully understand the true intent of their task, they try to complete it none the less. At points, I have considered a few younger players to be my most reliable marines, and the most willing to follow my rather trivial orders that need to be carried out to ensure a win.
Now that I think about it, aside from their voices, I dont mind "younger" players all that much when I am playing marines. After all, reliablity is a key quality a commander looks for in a marine.
Now the 12 - 15 year olds who think they know everything... well, thats another thread.
locallyunsceneFeeder of TrollsJoin Date: 2002-12-25Member: 11528Members, Constellation
edited July 2003
I usually have a high tolerance for younger players, even when they voice spam. I was playing a game on ARS server today where the kid did pretty much everything you guys have mentioned. If we asked him to stop comm spamming he was like "f you" becuase he thought it was sometype of n00b insult or something. I had to leave that game. I don't usually leave games unless I have to. That one was just too annoying.
That said I usually like to see younger players. I usually get a laugh out of them. Especially when they're owning half of the alien team and th e admin is yelling at the kid for voice comm spamming and he doesn't have a clue what's going on. Those conversations are really very amusing.
At age 7 I think they'd be better off running around outside playing imagination games quite frankly.
It seems more and more difficult to be a "kid" these days. People are having to grow up way too quickly IMO.
I don't really know how else to say this; but hearing a child's voice over the comm-lines just really kills the atmosphere faster than you can say "wasabi".
Alcapwn"War is the science of destruction" - John AbbotJoin Date: 2003-06-21Member: 17590Members
The ESRB rating doesnt do sh1t to be hohnest.
Im 13 and i go out and purchase rated M for Mature games all the time.
Its just a suggestion. My parents say its ok as long as i dont imitate what i see.And im not exactly that kind plays a game with hookers and then i kill one and i say, "i could do that in real life!"
I am 16 and I DO believe that people's voices should not be discriminated against as it doesn't have much of a barring (sp?) on their age/maturity. I didn't hit puberty until age 15 1/2 you see? And before that, people were always commenting that I sounded like a little girl. Does that mean I acted like one at the time? No. In fact, my maturity hasn't really changed at all but my voice apparently has.
Alcapwn"War is the science of destruction" - John AbbotJoin Date: 2003-06-21Member: 17590Members
Luckly my puberty just kicked in when i started playing NS about 1 1/2 months ago. So by the time i got around to hooking up my mic nobody else thought i was 13.
But erm.....lets not start talking about puberty plz? It think i already had this discusiion with my mom.... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--coil+Jul 19 2003, 11:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Jul 19 2003, 11:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In theory, under-13-year-olds should not be playing it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I would agree. But I love NS too damn much.
Age doesnt bother me much, i mean its annoying when a 10 year old gets on voice comms sounding like he just swallowed a helium baloon, but apart from that if they have the right attitude to a game, rather than just "oh the computer people are talking to me again" and understand its other people their playing with, then usually there isnt a problem.
age isnt really a factor, i know most of the most obnoxious players in euro community and most of them are around the late teen/20 mark, i also know plenty of people under 15 who act infinitely more times mature than the obnoxious lot.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zek+Jul 19 2003, 09:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Jul 19 2003, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To be honest I can't stand playing with preteens or below(minimum), not because they aren't mature enough for the content but simply because they usually just plain suck at the game. Having a 9 year old double gorge and waste res on useless crap and use all the webs is aggrivating, as well as having them constantly begging for comm when they clearly don't know what they're doing. I'm fine with it as long as they don't go Gorge(or Lerk at one hive) or comm, and don't constantly make stupid suggestions over voice chat(I'd prefer that they not use voicechat at all...). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> .......
Yeah, thats nice... Hey you! You can't play with us because you suck.. Kill all the noobs! Let all the good people live.. they where after all never noobs themselfs where they?
Personally, I think the basis of the problem with younger players isn't their maturity, but rather their ability to grasp, as esuna had mentioned.
I've always learned quickly, and never really been much of an annoyance (or so I think) to those who are willing to have fun instead of trying to be competetive, which is why I've always cut younger players slack, because I've always figured that they had the same learning curve as me. Sadly, though, over time, I've realised that, even though in society today, kids are trying to grow up earlier and earlier, they try and act like their tough, and can whoop up, which bothers me, sicne, their kids. Hell, I'm 16, and I still act like an 8 year old, but I know WHEN to do so.
It's jsut one of those development things, where some kids mature in their minds quicker than others, and are able to grasp concepts more easily than others. I totally agree that younger players should be able to play the same games that the older players do and have fun doing it, but, when they don't understand, and don't know how to address their frustration, so they take it out on others, that's when there starts to have problems.
Anyway this was jsut a random rant to stick up for the younger gamers that are halfway decent out there. Good for you! As for the rest that think they have to prove soemthing to a bunch of Gaming Junkies, good luck kiddo.
I won't care if it's a 7 year old or a 90 year old who plays.What I look for is their ability to know what to do and what NOT to do,like talk about something not related to the game.If you compared an uber rare 9-year-old who acts like a 20 year old to that of your average annoying 9 year old,who woul you pick?
PS. Anyone who could help me get the mute buton working?! Every server I play in has these stupid *censored* talking about random stuff,like dinner :/
<!--QuoteBegin--Crisqo+Jul 19 2003, 11:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crisqo @ Jul 19 2003, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The sad thing is, you can't control who will play or who will not play in your games. So live with it, stop complaining, stop spamming. Your original post has been answered end of discussion. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Its not the end of discussion until it is locked <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I don't care how old a player is. But if your voice hasn't dropped dont use the voice comm. I swear that young kids yell into their microphone. The loud, high-pitched voice just makes my ears bleed. Often they are not saying anything intelligent anyway.
Perhaps if the voicechat had an automatic lowpass-filter installed?
It's not age that matters, it's maturity. I'm only 11 (12 on July 29th), yet 98% of the people I play with would never guess it. "are you 40?" "er, what, no, I'm not 40..." "dude if you're not 40 you're 50" "WTH?!"
It's because of the way I talk, I think. I don't constantly yell JAY PEE AYCH EM GEE LAWLZ as I would be expected to do, and people always say, "Wow, you're a really mature player, how old are you, 25?" Not to brag or anything, but like I said, age hardly matters. I'm not stupid enough to go play CS and say, "GUNS ARE SO COOL" and stuff, I mean, come on, can't you expect more out of a child? and I think the fact that my name isn't something completely unoriginal adds to that. Sometimes it's funny to talk to people and pretend I'm 30, though, and they always believe it.
I dont care how old the person is or if they use the mic, as long as what they say makes sense. When they discuss things, inform, or make plans related to NS, it's fine. However, a lot ( of all ages) literaly describe everything that's going on :
To be honest, I'm 14. Going on 15 in September. I'm more mature than most 30+ year olds, when I need to be. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
yo guys!im new to this site... and im.kinda.12 years old.im a ns player that LOVES the high action when a onos and 3 skulks are chasing u down a hallway.and then get eaten.but.i dont think any of u guys should care abaout the age of ns players.if u think we have squeeky voices then just tell us to SUYF.
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> if u care more about us kids then u should work at a kindergarten.im just tellin u retards that hate kids that u have been one.thats the end of this discussion.....
<!--QuoteBegin--wizard@psu+Jul 20 2003, 04:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jul 20 2003, 04:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But if your voice hasn't dropped dont use the voice comm. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How do you expect us to communicate effectively? I sound like a little girl, but I couldn't care less, because I don't scream and yell. I say what needs to be said, and if you can't handle my voice, mute me or leave.
Voice comm is stupid over all, you can barly hear anything... It's just annoying when you sitting listening fro aliens and someone I need ammo! In voice...
My little brother plays NS alot, he's 8. I'm trying to teach him to be a decent player but have been unsuccesful as of yet. If I leave base with less than 50/250 ammo (even when base is getting acid rocketed to death) he says something like "OMG your not even getting ammo?" Or if he sees other people with a jetpack, he complains, waits in base, and if he still doesn't get one he votes to eject the commander and leaves. He's a decent gorge though, not great but he doesn't double gorge and knows the basics.
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NS, by Flayra's opinion, is rated T (teen -- though the addition of marine blood in 2.0 may boost it to M).
In theory, under-13-year-olds should not be playing it.
That said, I judge everyone on their worth, not their age. There will always be stereotypes... but there will always be exceptions, too.
Your not a teenager anymore and in many regards you are legally an adult, but its not until 21 that you can do everything. Like be a cop or apply for many other jobs.
You cant be a cop but you can be a marine lol.
They dont trust you enough to buy a bottle of beer but you can run around with automatic weapons and grenade launchers or drive a muti million dollar war marchine around. The US has strange laws sometimes. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think that NS has too many intricaties for most very young players to grasp well. You can probably teach them to not sit in the chair, or turn into a fatty, but expecting them to not go lerk at one hive or following the commander's orders to the letter is too much. The whole strategy thing doesn't appeal to most younger (<10) players. I know I never cared for strategy games much until I played Starcraft at a friend's house when I was 11, and then the next week I spent over a month's hard earned allowance to buy it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Most young players lack combat skill as well, though I think that, as someone else pointed out, they just play the few odd times on their big brother's, or dad's computer and so they don't develop their full potential. I'm sure many young children could become decent NS players, combat wise, if they had the inclination to play often.
The whole "violent games warp young childrens minds" aspect is pure BS if you ask me though. Of course, this is coming from someone who played Doom when they were 6-7 years old.Besides having the occasional nightmare about being chased by some terrifying demon, I'd say it didn't affect me much. I played well for my age, though the concept of running through the level, killing anything that moves, and then flicking the switch at the end is much simpler than grasping the many facets of NS.
Anyways, I'd have to agree that NS is too complicated for, as you said, a seven year old or similar aged person to comprehend. There's games out there that would suit most of them better.
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But I don't really think that age is the problem, but skills and maturity. I'v seen 8 year olds act like some one twice his age. My friend's brother plays CS, and he is 8, and seriously, he is the most mature kid I'v ever seen. There are also some 20 year old guys that, when playing the game, they act like complete jerks, and just try and to act as the hero of the game and destroy the hive all by himself. I mean, I admit that I am not all that mature, and sometimes I act like a 5 year old when I'm having a bad day.
Skills are also quite important. You can't judge how good the person is just by the age. i have this friend, which is a complete Mortal Kombat fanatic, and when we were about 7, he used to kick some but from 16 year olds (and they were not being easy cause he was a small kid, since they were begining to get quite desperate <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> )
I dont think younger players should be playing Half life, especially a mod that involves heavy team play, communication, and tactics. The majority of the time, it degrades my own gaming experience when I have to play with a younger person, in the age range of 7 through about 12. Simply put, the maturity of the average 7 - 12 year old is severly lacking in comparison to the average 16, 17+ person, and that lack of maturity could cost you the game in some way or another.
As much as people might think its a stereotype... maturity is almost always proportional to age. There are rare exceptions, but they are so rare, its rather silly to expect when you encounter some 7 - 12 year old in game.
I could continue with the bad points about younger players for hours, since there are just so many things in NS where an older player would be far superior, but what about their good qualities?
I, like a previous poster, have also noticed that younger players will make a great effort when they are tasked with something. Even though they might not fully understand the true intent of their task, they try to complete it none the less. At points, I have considered a few younger players to be my most reliable marines, and the most willing to follow my rather trivial orders that need to be carried out to ensure a win.
Now that I think about it, aside from their voices, I dont mind "younger" players all that much when I am playing marines. After all, reliablity is a key quality a commander looks for in a marine.
Now the 12 - 15 year olds who think they know everything... well, thats another thread.
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That said I usually like to see younger players. I usually get a laugh out of them. Especially when they're owning half of the alien team and th e admin is yelling at the kid for voice comm spamming and he doesn't have a clue what's going on. Those conversations are really very amusing.
edit: 19 btw, as if it matter.
I sometimes wonder how old those newbs are who never speak. Young people on NS is ok with me as long as it doesn't dip below 10, that's just wrong.
It seems more and more difficult to be a "kid" these days. People are having to grow up way too quickly IMO.
I don't really know how else to say this; but hearing a child's voice over the comm-lines just really kills the atmosphere faster than you can say "wasabi".
haha, ive managed to pretty much string my childhood out till ..... uhh, 20?
shame reality is catching up with me now...
Im 13 and i go out and purchase rated M for Mature games all the time.
Its just a suggestion. My parents say its ok as long as i dont imitate what i see.And im not exactly that kind plays a game with hookers and then i kill one and i say, "i could do that in real life!"
P
This game may cause you to shoot aliens and bite marines
But erm.....lets not start talking about puberty plz? It think i already had this discusiion with my mom.... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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I would agree. But I love NS too damn much.
.......
Yeah, thats nice...
Hey you! You can't play with us because you suck..
Kill all the noobs! Let all the good people live.. they where after all never noobs themselfs where they?
BTW: .Hack//sign sucks
I've always learned quickly, and never really been much of an annoyance (or so I think) to those who are willing to have fun instead of trying to be competetive, which is why I've always cut younger players slack, because I've always figured that they had the same learning curve as me. Sadly, though, over time, I've realised that, even though in society today, kids are trying to grow up earlier and earlier, they try and act like their tough, and can whoop up, which bothers me, sicne, their kids. Hell, I'm 16, and I still act like an 8 year old, but I know WHEN to do so.
It's jsut one of those development things, where some kids mature in their minds quicker than others, and are able to grasp concepts more easily than others. I totally agree that younger players should be able to play the same games that the older players do and have fun doing it, but, when they don't understand, and don't know how to address their frustration, so they take it out on others, that's when there starts to have problems.
Anyway this was jsut a random rant to stick up for the younger gamers that are halfway decent out there. Good for you!
As for the rest that think they have to prove soemthing to a bunch of Gaming Junkies, good luck kiddo.
PS. Anyone who could help me get the mute buton working?! Every server I play in has these stupid *censored* talking about random stuff,like dinner :/
EDIT : Im 15 for the record.
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I don't care how old a player is. But if your voice hasn't dropped dont use the voice comm. I swear that young kids yell into their microphone. The loud, high-pitched voice just makes my ears bleed. Often they are not saying anything intelligent anyway.
Perhaps if the voicechat had an automatic lowpass-filter installed?
It's because of the way I talk, I think. I don't constantly yell JAY PEE AYCH EM GEE LAWLZ as I would be expected to do, and people always say, "Wow, you're a really mature player, how old are you, 25?" Not to brag or anything, but like I said, age hardly matters. I'm not stupid enough to go play CS and say, "GUNS ARE SO COOL" and stuff, I mean, come on, can't you expect more out of a child? and I think the fact that my name isn't something completely unoriginal adds to that. Sometimes it's funny to talk to people and pretend I'm 30, though, and they always believe it.
Ok, I'm walking, ok, oh no. it's an alien, arghh harh hhhr aahhh
and im.kinda.12 years old.im a ns player that LOVES the high action when a onos and 3 skulks are chasing u down a hallway.and then get eaten.but.i dont think any of u guys should care abaout the age of ns players.if u think we have squeeky voices then just tell us to SUYF.
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> if u care more about us kids then u should work at a kindergarten.im just tellin u retards that hate kids that u have been one.thats the end of this discussion.....
How do you expect us to communicate effectively? I sound like a little girl, but I couldn't care less, because I don't scream and yell. I say what needs to be said, and if you can't handle my voice, mute me or leave.
It's just annoying when you sitting listening fro aliens and someone I need ammo! In voice...
Does he understand that he is playing with real(!) _people_?