Official "i Love 2.0 Balance Thread!"

SemperFi1SemperFi1 Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13559Members
Not much just saying i love the balance in 2.0 and i think its perfect. Dont mind all the whiners on servers saying "X is too powerful" or "X is too weak" the game is balanced great and has gave me some great games in the past few days.


Anyone else agree? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • TechwidTechwid Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8440Members, Constellation
  • acer_racer_r Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18784Banned
    what makes this offical?
  • SemperFi1SemperFi1 Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13559Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--acer_r+Aug 3 2003, 07:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (acer_r @ Aug 3 2003, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what makes this offical? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How DARE you question the official-ness of this thread!

    Out! OUT I SAY! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BentRingBentRing Join Date: 2003-03-04 Member: 14318Members
    edited August 2003
    Agreed.... the whole this is unbalanced or that is unbalanced kinda sums up the fact that if different people are seeing different things as unbalanced then it must be regional <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    play this server it's this..play that server it's that

    overall I'm proud of the dev's and testers...especially comsidering the fact I've not paid one penny nor invested a minute of my time to the development of this mod



    /edit my typing skills are totally out of balance /edit
  • DiablusDiablus Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15080Members
    eh, theres its balances and unbalances, for example: in a server 2 rounds in a row this happened: aliens had 2 hives up, rocking marines then, the marines get HA's, create walls of explosions, bring up the HMGS and JPS, then slowly moved foward, they moved up to great viaduct even tho our onos and fades and lerks n skulks were trying our hardest to take them out but by the time we kileld a marine there weer HA and HMGS waiting next to thier spawn portals, when mariens stick together in bunches of HAS welders and HMGS/ GHLS/ shotties there almost impossible to stop no matter how many onos or fade u have
  • LucidLucid Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10534Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    I think saying that 2.0 is balanced when It's been out for only a few days is just as silly as saying its unbalanced. Play more, like a few weeks, then decide. This thread is pointless. Sorry.
  • JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
    Agreed. When people can make a convincing case that both sides are unbalanced, its pretty well balanced. My hats off to the PTs, Vets, and Flayra for making the most amazing game evar.
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Diablus+Aug 3 2003, 07:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Aug 3 2003, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> eh, theres its balances and unbalances, for example: in a server 2 rounds in a row this happened: aliens had 2 hives up, rocking marines then, the marines get HA's, create walls of explosions, bring up the HMGS and JPS, then slowly moved foward, they moved up to great viaduct even tho our onos and fades and lerks n skulks were trying our hardest to take them out but by the time we kileld a marine there weer HA and HMGS waiting next to thier spawn portals, when mariens stick together in bunches of HAS welders and HMGS/ GHLS/ shotties there almost impossible to stop no matter how many onos or fade u have <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I call the marine strategy. No, I'm serious. They conserved resources, had some skill with their weapons, and just moved in as a team. It's not like some one-man rambo killing the entire alien team.
    I think the game is very balanced overall. The only "killer" would be when rines start to turret spam, in which case becomes a pain. Then again, we can always have ourselves a 'gorge rush', hehe.
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    if only marines yould learn how to use scanner sweeps i would love it all, too.
  • KissamiesKissamies Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4748Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lucid+Aug 4 2003, 12:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lucid @ Aug 4 2003, 12:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think saying that 2.0 is balanced when It's been out for only a few days is just as silly as saying its unbalanced. Play more, like a few weeks, then decide. This thread is pointless. Sorry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    These are the words of wisdom. It <i>seems</i> to me that it's very well balanced now, but it's way too early to form definite opinions.
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    if u have 2 hives and onos, HA are a breeze. u just have one onos keep the HA stunned and other can kill em.

    scanner sweeps are nice but a comm should put an obs at every single outpost. its silly having a outpost at a hive and then some onos apears infront of u and eats u when u could have seen it comin.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pubs think it's balanced, Clanners say it's horribly unbalanced. I'm a clanner... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    that is stupid, its like saying using more teamplay/strat make the game unbalanced. plus the game was pretty much tested in clan matches. well a high teamplay/strat situation.
  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    Great overal balanced, just need tweaking in places.
  • ClintClint Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18816Members
    Stun, eat, redeem, repeat!

    Well, that's just my hissy-fit. But I tend to avoid it most of the time. I guess I agree with you fellas' for the most part. Games are a lot more interesting, since 1.04. I mean I can't really complain, because I can't do anything about the stuff I complain about. Correct? Correct. So it doesn't matter. All in all, in my opinion, the game is great. It's the only game I enjoy playing public on, besides Day of Defeat. I used to be a hardcore junky on that modification. But, I have lowered my playing time for some good old fashioned Natural-Selection. The community of this game, is overall, amazing. I hope in the future it gets better. With the release of 2.0, the community has increased, and it is also becoming more wise, and things are shaping up, and looking quite positive. Even promising for that matter.

    I would also like to give a shoutout, and thanks, praise to the creators, testers, and anyone else that did anything. You made the game, to the best, in your minds, and my mind. I just get a little peeved when my teams down! (But hey, who doesn't right?) Keep up the great work, and hopefully we can see some more come out from the whole community, and even make it a bigger establishment.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Skillzilla_+Aug 4 2003, 01:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Skillzilla_ @ Aug 4 2003, 01:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Pubs think it's balanced, Clanners say it's horribly unbalanced. I'm a clanner... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Interesting point of view. Might I introduce you to our 160 veterans...? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Bango. As opposed to our fewer than 30 straight playtesters.
  • snozzlesnozzle Join Date: 2003-04-23 Member: 15788Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Aug 3 2003, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Aug 3 2003, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Skillzilla_+Aug 4 2003, 01:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Skillzilla_ @ Aug 4 2003, 01:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Pubs think it's balanced, Clanners say it's horribly unbalanced. I'm a clanner... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Interesting point of view. Might I introduce you to our 160 veterans...? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    aahahahahahh nice one :-p

    if you think its unbalanced now, take everyone's advice and wait. The veterans, playtesters + devs have been at the balance for 2 months. If you think its unbalanced because things like the lerk dont have bite, or onos have stomp...

    imo everything has a counter so far. Also - compare the balance of 1.04 (jp hmg > all) to balance of 2.0 where most strats work, and not 1 rambo can fraeking win the round.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Aug 4 2003, 01:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Aug 4 2003, 01:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bango. As opposed to our fewer than 30 straight playtesters. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Quality over quantity <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
  • FantasmoFantasmo Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7369Members
    edited August 2003
    How you have managed to ascertain the balance of v2.0 in 3 days time I do not know. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    [Edit] The comment attached to the Suggestions Forum says it all for me. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> [/Edit]
  • SemperFi1SemperFi1 Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13559Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Fantasmo+Aug 3 2003, 08:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fantasmo @ Aug 3 2003, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How you have managed to ascertain the balance of v2.0 in 3 days time I do not know. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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    Someone already said that.

    I think its true it might be too early to fully say that 2.0 is perfectly balanced but at this time, it is. And thats all i really care about.
  • FantasmoFantasmo Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7369Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--||SemperFi||+Aug 3 2003, 09:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (||SemperFi|| @ Aug 3 2003, 09:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think its true it might be too early to fully say that 2.0 is perfectly balanced but at this time, it is. And thats all i really care about. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So you're saying;

    it's too early to say it's balanced,

    <i>but</i>

    at this time, it's balanced.

    I no get what say you?
  • cheesehoundcheesehound Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18826Members
    How do you know it's balanced? When people cry about marines being too strong AND aliens being too strong <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.

    The two teams seem to be perfectly balanced, any complaints I've seen in game so far about lacking balance stem from people who simply have a far lower level of upgrades/tech than their enemies.

    I love the new balance, any issues I have with NS 2.0 are quite unrelated to the balance between teams.
  • SpazmaticSpazmatic Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16184Members
    To my experience thus far, 2.0 is balanced.

    Whether an omnipotent viewer would think so, we'll see, we'll see.
  • fewfew Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15128Members
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lucid+Aug 3 2003, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lucid @ Aug 3 2003, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think saying that 2.0 is balanced when It's been out for only a few days is just as silly as saying its unbalanced. Play more, like a few weeks, then decide. This thread is pointless. Sorry. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hehe, sounds like this guy is sayin' talk to the hand.. hehehe
    anywayz, i like how much they've put in to this friggin'game, considering how long it has been and "we" are able to actually friggin' play this game
    /me brain explodes
    /me picks up the peices and walks back to the 2.0 arena <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->


    awesome i cant wait until i get good
  • BugBrainBugBrain Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16279Members
    Balanced or not, it is certainly a lot more <i>fun</i> than 1.04. Even when I'm on the losing team, it's better than 1.04. I can see other things we might have done, or do certain things better, to win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> . 1.04 losses felt cheap, like there was nothing we could do to win <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> .
  • schkorpioschkorpio I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Diablus+Aug 3 2003, 07:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Aug 3 2003, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> eh, theres its balances and unbalances, for example: in a server 2 rounds in a row this happened: aliens had 2 hives up, rocking marines then, the marines get HA's, create walls of explosions, bring up the HMGS and JPS, then slowly moved foward, they moved up to great viaduct even tho our onos and fades and lerks n skulks were trying our hardest to take them out but by the time we kileld a marine there weer HA and HMGS waiting next to thier spawn portals, when mariens stick together in bunches of HAS welders and HMGS/ GHLS/ shotties there almost impossible to stop no matter how many onos or fade u have <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thats not unbalanced, that just means your team was too crap
  • LittlejerryLittlejerry Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18843Members
    It seems(cant be to sure yet) to be balanced very well. Whenever you join a server full of people who dont communicate, dont work together, and go solo around the map you will find that the game goes on, and on, and on, and oonnnn until an admin changes the map. If you have teams working together then the games ARE fast and fun. Hell, today as aliens we had 3 hives up in the first 3-4 minutes of a game.

    The sad thing is yesterday the game was going so slow that I had to direct the aliens on how to come kill our base, lol. My "fellow" rines didnt use mic's, everyone refused to comm, no one responded when you tried to talk to them, no one would follow anyone, it was utterly hopeless. The aliens kinda had it together, so I kept on telling them to hold off, save for onos, get a lerk to gas our base, then charge at once- which eventualy they did.
  • EgoEgo Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12804Members
    2.0 is great

    worth the wait?... sure..i guess... stoped playing 1.04 because it was same old same old all the time.

    2.0 every game is differnt its great, well more tactic involved anyways.

    marines no longer own all, in fact, they get owned alot

    but BEFORE PEOPLE WHINE look at the past?

    with 1.04 first being out marines lost ALL THE TIME cuz commanding is wierd etc, then they always owned. 2.0, marines getting owned all the time, now its balanced <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    quite frankly ive had alot of great marine games and alien games thus far,.. although, remus got stuck in a hive when evolving to onos, but that was plain funny <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    other than that, i like it alot, just takes getting used to , relearning skills etc, but i love it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    GG NS devs

    if any one of you want to impregnate my girlfriend that would be great, id love to have you father my kids thx

    Ego

    [FACT] Misa back~!
  • KazaQKazaQ Join Date: 2003-06-24 Member: 17667Members
    A game with 2 very different teams like this can never be "perfectly balanced". Even cs where one team has the objective and one doesn't. Isnt perfectly balanced. Team Fortress is perfewctly balanced as long as it has even teams.


    But here is my 2 bits for balance. sence ns 2.0 went public I have seen the marine team win a total of one time.
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <3 Monse and Nem

    Yes. Marines are lagging behind a bit, the aliens have it pretty straight-forward, which is fun <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Give marine players a while to get used to it. It will be a blast then !
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