So Why Exactly Do We See More Onos Slayed Now?
sej
Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12488Members
Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12488Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Some theories...</div> In 1.04 it wasnt rare to see an onos with carapace able to take on 6 lmg marines and take little to medium damage, go on to attack the base full of turrets, clear the turrets, and ultimately destroy the base/outpost.
The only time i died as an Onos in 1.04 was when i lagged out inthemiddle of a rine base, and the marines went on to knifeme down. And thats one death as onos in the whole of my playing time in version 1.04. 1 Onos was vastly superior to a HA HMG, the most powerful marine "life form"
Yet now in 2.0, its not rare to see an Onos die to a small force of LA marines, and one HA HMG seems to be able to cut through an Onos pretty quickly. One LA marine with a shotgun serves as a small threat to an Onos now, and we see Onii (or onos) die often in publics.
Why exactly is this? Im not sure, but have a few theories:
1) All marine weapons have been improved, and now do more damage to an Onos, in comparison to 1.04.
2) Marine upgrades and better weapons are seen more often, and combined with more resources for the rine team, number of times Onii die is higher.
3) We see more Onos, and we see them throughout the game (not just at the end), and so theres an illusion that there are more Onos dieing, when in fact, the K:D ratio of Onos hasnt changed at all.
4) Newer players have flocked in, and are eager to try out the "big rhino" and so we see more foolish onos who die easier.
5) With the new abilities, the onos has been weakened, e.g. an Onos in 1.04 almost always primal screamed whenhe attacked, and now the onos doesnt have this, it cant take as much damage.
6) DC's, which vastly increase the survivability of the onos arnt always available by the time you have enough resources for onos.
Im sure theres more, but it actually puzzles me as to why onos doesnt seem to take so much damage anymore : Have the actual damage values been changed? Or are stronger marines making it seem like the Onos has been weakened.
And what is the plural of Onos exactly?
(this aint a balance thread btw)
The only time i died as an Onos in 1.04 was when i lagged out inthemiddle of a rine base, and the marines went on to knifeme down. And thats one death as onos in the whole of my playing time in version 1.04. 1 Onos was vastly superior to a HA HMG, the most powerful marine "life form"
Yet now in 2.0, its not rare to see an Onos die to a small force of LA marines, and one HA HMG seems to be able to cut through an Onos pretty quickly. One LA marine with a shotgun serves as a small threat to an Onos now, and we see Onii (or onos) die often in publics.
Why exactly is this? Im not sure, but have a few theories:
1) All marine weapons have been improved, and now do more damage to an Onos, in comparison to 1.04.
2) Marine upgrades and better weapons are seen more often, and combined with more resources for the rine team, number of times Onii die is higher.
3) We see more Onos, and we see them throughout the game (not just at the end), and so theres an illusion that there are more Onos dieing, when in fact, the K:D ratio of Onos hasnt changed at all.
4) Newer players have flocked in, and are eager to try out the "big rhino" and so we see more foolish onos who die easier.
5) With the new abilities, the onos has been weakened, e.g. an Onos in 1.04 almost always primal screamed whenhe attacked, and now the onos doesnt have this, it cant take as much damage.
6) DC's, which vastly increase the survivability of the onos arnt always available by the time you have enough resources for onos.
Im sure theres more, but it actually puzzles me as to why onos doesnt seem to take so much damage anymore : Have the actual damage values been changed? Or are stronger marines making it seem like the Onos has been weakened.
And what is the plural of Onos exactly?
(this aint a balance thread btw)
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Ever seen a 1.04 onos with carpace? 350 Armor... Now is has like 200 or something, and cara doesnt bloack off half the damage it used too (looks like that too me)... "Medium" armor takes full dmg from everything, I think... And probably new players are in... But I notice I die more often as onos too... (I'm actually dying from a 500 res turret farm, strange huh?)
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I think Oni is the plural <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And it is the plurar... I have Greek in school so I should know ;-) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
you cant miss an onos.
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You should not miss an onos, but still... Sometimes I rush at a hmg ha marine STRAIGHT at him, and he doesnt seem to hit me at all... (When im within stomp range I stomp)... But an onos is indeed a big target... I love harassing ha marines as a skulk (but that's another story)
Reduced base movement speed.
New Players Cant Use Gore Aim.
People (Who Cant Aim) Always Trying To Devour.
I disagree with your statement though.
Reduced base movement speed.
New Players Cant Use Gore Aim.
People (Who Cant Aim) Always Trying To Devour.
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I know, dont use cara at all anymore in 2.0 (maybe improved in 2.1? HINT!!!)
But in 1.04 you could just kill an entire bae as a cara onos...
Nowadays just use regen (I dont use redemp cause people whine too much about it)
He ducked... In 1.04 you were about skulk size ducked, now you are about... Lerk size... But that is a strange buggeh I know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Its Balanced out so that having an Onos or Oni within a few minuets, doesn't mean the marines are going to lose.
and i think if you try to shoot a fade in the head or shoulders you will miss them. same probably with heavy armor too i think.
i think each model has it's own hitboxes but hits on those hitboxes are not checked unless the overall model hitbox is hit and usually that hitbox is too small meaning some of the little individual hitboxes for the body parts are essentially cut off.
and i think if you try to shoot a fade in the head or shoulders you will miss them. same probably with heavy armor too i think.
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Well a ducked onos has disabled hitboxes then... And collision size, because when u duck, fully strafed to the side, when ducked > you can move farther, bit of an exploit to me <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Plural: Onos
Trust me. And it's not Greek.
<span style='color:orange'>And before any nubcaek out there goes out of his way to say "but Flayra <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=43191&st=0&hl=onoses' target='_blank'>said it's oni!</a>" notice that he also said "feel free to call them whatever you want."</span>
People use shotguns more often now, and even if not, 3-4 accurate LMG's brings me down fairly well, even with Carapace. If their weapons are Level 3 of course.
Or it could be that I suck as an Onos.
It took something like 138 level 3 LMG rounds to kill an Onos with carapace in 1.04. Now it takes 77. Combine that with an umbra that stopped 6/7 rounds and lots of Fades that had already pretty much demolished the base already. Now Onos face marines earlier, often without support. They can't take as much damage and shotguns are uber and inexpensive.
V2 onos is pretty easy to kill. A couple guys concentrating fire and the're meat. From the looks of it HA/HMG,Welder is about to be installed as the "official" most powerful life form in the game.
you're seeing Onos die on servers?
Where can I see this?
Please tell...
So they certainly have become easier to kill. or at leas tthey die more
OnoCheeseGraters?
Onomyspacebarisbroken?
People could get confused...
That's all the reasoning you need. Anymore is trolling or arguing over something more simply said in my sentence or two above.
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