If they adapt the christian lifestyle, then that means they would no longer be ****, wouldn't it?
Exactly.
Crack is not an addiction. You're just an idiot for starting it. You shouldn't be allowed to do anything <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just an example, folks, of how politically correct people are people with bad judgement.
They'd have figured that by the time they punished those *** in the bible (something like that), that people would be scared to even think about being ****.
<!--QuoteBegin--Maus+Sep 4 2003, 05:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maus @ Sep 4 2003, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There are many things the bible deems wrong which to modern eyes clearly are acceptable. Sowing two different crops next to each other, and working on the Sabbath are two great examples. The Bible isn't the word of God - it's the word of God close to 2000 years ago. As a moral guidebook it is antiquated and sorely in need of either an update or at least leniant interpretation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> the 2 things you cite are old testament references, spoken under Old Testament Law, and Jesus was the fulfillment of that law. Just because society changes and our standards degrade doesn't mean we are right to do so. When you stand in front of God for judgement, I'm almost positive He's not gonna accept "well, everyone else was doing it" or "it wasn't really considered wrong by society as a whole" as a valid excuse for your sins.
<!--QuoteBegin--xdeathx2003+Sep 5 2003, 01:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xdeathx2003 @ Sep 5 2003, 01:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Esuna, how would they have known that people would suddenly start liking people of the same sex?
I WIN!1 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Homosexuality didn't just appear overnight aobut a hundred years ago you know. It's quite a common thing to come across when you study history - from any period you'd care to choose.
precisely, which is why *** shouldn't be allowed in churches. If they were to walk in front of real God, then God ain't not no how gonna say "Oh, well, since everyone is turning liberal and stupid and the standards are going down, I guess you can come in and have sex with all the guys in here"
If they adapt the christian lifestyle, then that means they would no longer be ****, wouldn't it?
Exactly.
Crack is not an addiction. You're just an idiot for starting it. You shouldn't be allowed to do anything <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just an example, folks, of how politically correct people are people with bad judgement. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying there's no such thing as an addiction? And you're saying that sex isn't one of them? I mean, you specifically stated that crack is not an addiction. Go read some books my friend, because it is a vrey real addiction. Addictions are usually either physical (drugs) or mental (gambling), and I personally believe that homosexuality is a little of both. Addictions take time to cure, and that was my point. Just because someone goes and has **** sex after he/she becomes a Christian, doesn't mean he'she is no longer a Christian.
xdeathx, please. You help neither side, since you seem to be devoid of the facts, and also devoid of meaningful and intelligent posts. Please excuse yourself from the discussion.
But the real god isn't going to accept that, because 1: You need to get married to have sex, and secondly, most states don't allow **** marriages anyway, and I doubt god would accept that.
And, well, maybe there is such thing as addiction, but the addiction is YOUR fault, no one elses. You started doing crack and was stupid enough to continue to the point in which you were addicted. You should go away and seek theropy.
But the real god isn't going to accept that, because 1: You need to get married to have sex, and secondly, most states don't allow **** marriages anyway, and I doubt god would accept that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> it has nothing to do with today's standards. Living a sinless life is not a prerequisite for being a christian.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And, well, maybe there is such thing as addiction, but the addiction is YOUR fault, no one elses. You started doing crack and was stupid enough to continue to the point in which you were addicted. You should go away and seek theropy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fault or not, it's still there, and it's still real. Those with an addiction who want help are those we should be helping. Not sending them away to go seek therapy on their own. Jesus didn't shun the prostitutes, in fact, he went and ministered to the prostitutes and the tax collectors (a very low job at that time).
No, it isn't, but having sex before marriage is breaking a COMMANDMENT, therefore about 3 * moral sin. You're pretty much screwed, and also since homosexual sex is a sin, that's like... expotential in the "value" of sin.
<!--QuoteBegin--xdeathx2003+Sep 5 2003, 01:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xdeathx2003 @ Sep 5 2003, 01:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They didn't anticipate a stampede of hoarding *** demanding their equal rights.
They are NOT equal. They live alternatively, and therefore cannot be treated as such when dealing with certain things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You seem to fail to realise the fact that there have been g*y people millenia before Christianity was formed, even by Christianities standards, they have outlived it. Just as it has become more socially acceptable, they're coming forward. I feel the idea that there's stampeding hordes of homosexuals a tad ridiculous.
But as to equality. I believe that everyone is equal. That being that the belief that everyone has the right to believe what they want and also feel how they want. I mean, call me a hippy commie, but why shouldn't "alternative" people be as acceptable as "vanilla" people.
<!--QuoteBegin--xdeathx2003+Sep 4 2003, 05:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xdeathx2003 @ Sep 4 2003, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, it isn't, but having sex before marriage is breaking a COMMANDMENT, therefore about 3 * moral sin. You're pretty much screwed, and also since homosexual sex is a sin, that's like... expotential in the "value" of sin. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> like I said before, you seem to be utterly devoid of all of the facts. Go read your Bible, and then come back and post when you understand a little better.
I think we've gotten too far off topic, and I'll retire from the field for the night...I have a feeling that a big *lockeh* sign will be making its entrance here shortly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I like how y'all are defending your point of view by saying God will mark you down for being homosexual, instead of taking all the good things you do in life into consideration.
"Oh, I'm sorry. You <i>may</i> have worked tirelessly all your life helping those livinf in poverty, but you slept with men. Down you go!"
It's a pretty negative way to think of your faith to be honest, focusing on punishment instead of reward.
You're right, you're right, esuna, I'll give you that.
But think about it, because of all this active movement **** *** are just too forward. Our country has gone down the crapper. They just didn't think about it. It's not hypocrisy, it's just not thinking things through all the way.
very true. We had meaningful discussion with no real flaming until xdeathx came on the scene, and flame-baited everything. <span style='color:orange'>Watch it. We and I can handle people who cause trouble much better if you use "report this post" instead of insults. Consider yourself lucky that I'm not tempsuspending the both of you at once for antagonizing each other.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--Maus+Sep 4 2003, 05:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maus @ Sep 4 2003, 05:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I like how y'all are defending your point of view by saying God will mark you down for being homosexual, instead of taking all the good things you do in life into consideration.
"Oh, I'm sorry. You <i>may</i> have worked tirelessly all your life helping those livinf in poverty, but you slept with men. Down you go!"
It's a pretty negative way to think of your faith to be honest, focusing on punishment instead of reward. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> actually, God wouldn't say "hey, you were a homosexual, you're going to hell now" any more than he'd say "hey man, you went to church every sunday, the pearly gates are over there." When all is said and done, what matters is your belief. Did you believe that Jesus was the Christ, and that he died for your sins? Did you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord? If not, I'm sorry, straight or not, **** or not, church-goer or not, you're on your way to hell. It says so right in the Bible
edit: sorry for the double-post, I figured by the time I finished writing, I'd have like 4 ahead of mine.
Just because I'm right doesn't mean you have to be a pompous ****, alright?
You're a crack head. GO AWAY. YOU SHOULD BE IN JAIL.
*** ARE NOT supposed to be christian. ALRIGHT?
They are alternative. I would adapt the way of another country if I moved there. Why can't other people? People seem to be proud that they're ****. That should not be condoned, especially in Christianity.
<span style='color:orange'>Being right or wrong doesn't have anything to do with the fact that right now you're flat-out insulting another member. For attitude towards others in previous posts and blatant forum rule breaking in this one, tempsuspension. We and I shall determine duration in the moderator's forum.</span> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>edit to make punishment remark more concise. Punishment currently stands at 1 week tempsuspension, but may be altered at the decision of another admin.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Sep 5 2003, 01:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Sep 5 2003, 01:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think we've gotten too far off topic, and I'll retire from the field for the night...I have a feeling that a big *lockeh* sign will be making its entrance here shortly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Definately, agreed, this has more turned into a debate as to whether the Bible's teachings are viable in this day and age.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you believe in one portion of the Bible, you have to believe in all portions of the Bible. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes I suppose stoning is the answer for many crimes, that women should be treated like property, and.. er.. many other things that I won't even delve into.
<!--QuoteBegin--OttoDestruct+Sep 4 2003, 06:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Sep 4 2003, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you believe in one portion of the Bible, you have to believe in all portions of the Bible. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes I suppose stoning is the answer for many crimes, that women should be treated like property, and.. er.. many other things that I won't even delve into. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone"
I'd like it if the people who posted here had some clue if they're going to quote the Bible. And please don't mistake Bible times for the Bible itself.
Oh so you think I just make this up? It clearly states, and no I can't quote it (and refuse to without naming the specific place I found it, unlike you), that stoning people is just fine and dandy, so long as you follow the rules.
sorry, didn't know I needed a reference for such a well known verse. It's John 8:7 "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." KJV
Now please find yours because I'm pretty sure it's not there (or at least not in the new testament)
I don't believe there should be a LGCM in the first place. Yeah that's great you're ****, just stop throwing it in our faces already. Personally, I could care less if you are ****, we are all sinners right? It's just this incessant complaining over and over again of "We demand more rights." "Treat us fairly." "Stop hating us because we are ****." "I need my insulin." It is really getting annoying.
In response to what the church did. I wouldn't have even got in the position in the first place. Just say up front "Sorry, go use the town center or pavilion or something." Why would you want to hold a meeting about doing something that contradicts what God wants us to do IN HIS OWN HOUSE.
However, the ban was a bit harsh. Even though they are **** and it's a sin, they should still be allowed to go to church. All sins are equally ugly in God's eyes.
<!--QuoteBegin--Crisqo+Sep 5 2003, 03:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crisqo @ Sep 5 2003, 03:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's just this incessant complaining over and over again of "We demand more rights." "Treat us fairly." "Stop hating us because we are ****." "I need my insulin." It is really getting annoying. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's annoying that people want to be treated <b>equally</b>? I suppose when the women protested for equality and to be able to vote it was just as annoying.
I'm pretty sure if they were not discriminated against and treated equally they'd shut up about it. But whilst there's still small-minded, hateful people, that's not going to happen.
Take of this statement as you will, it is the <b>truth</b>.
Once again, oversimplifying the issue (I'm back btw). This is not discriminating against anyone by the government, it's the church. Private property. They should be allowed to throw out whomever they wish.
*edit* btw I see females treated pretty equally nowadays, and there are still super-active feminist groups...contradicting what you said about "if they were equal, they'd shut up"
<!--QuoteBegin--Wheeee+Sep 4 2003, 10:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Sep 4 2003, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once again, oversimplifying the issue (I'm back btw). This is not discriminating against anyone by the government, it's the church. Private property. They should be allowed to throw out whomever they wish.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> From what I can gather, the g4y/lesbian christians were wanting to worship God. They were not planning to use the church for some sort of 'rave party' now were they ?
By all means let the church do what they want... but this really seems to fly in the face of all that I consider to be 'Christian' values i.e. love first and foremost - not judgement. I was under the impression it was for God and He alone to do the judging. Let them in for God's sake - and I mean this literally. If He still rejects them for whatever reason then so be it.
This sort of business just really confirms why I am an ex-christian. When people see a male holding another male's hand - instead of a <b>human being holding another human being's hand</b> - I think it very sad. Why does it always have to be about sex ? Do people of 'alternate lifestyles' have no other feelings besides raw sexual energy ?
It baffles me that some here seem to be offended by the very idea of g4y/lesbian christians. The bottom line is, don't worry about them, worry about _yourself_. If they don't 'measure up' at the end then they won't, so there's no point in isolating them now is there ?
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If they adapt the christian lifestyle, then that means they would no longer be ****, wouldn't it?
Exactly.
Crack is not an addiction. You're just an idiot for starting it. You shouldn't be allowed to do anything <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just an example, folks, of how politically correct people are people with bad judgement.
the 2 things you cite are old testament references, spoken under Old Testament Law, and Jesus was the fulfillment of that law. Just because society changes and our standards degrade doesn't mean we are right to do so. When you stand in front of God for judgement, I'm almost positive He's not gonna accept "well, everyone else was doing it" or "it wasn't really considered wrong by society as a whole" as a valid excuse for your sins.
I WIN!1 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Homosexuality didn't just appear overnight aobut a hundred years ago you know. It's quite a common thing to come across when you study history - from any period you'd care to choose.
YUO LOOSE!!"
They didn't anticipate a stampede of hoarding *** demanding their equal rights.
They are NOT equal. They live alternatively, and therefore cannot be treated as such when dealing with certain things.
If they adapt the christian lifestyle, then that means they would no longer be ****, wouldn't it?
Exactly.
Crack is not an addiction. You're just an idiot for starting it. You shouldn't be allowed to do anything <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just an example, folks, of how politically correct people are people with bad judgement. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you're saying there's no such thing as an addiction? And you're saying that sex isn't one of them? I mean, you specifically stated that crack is not an addiction. Go read some books my friend, because it is a vrey real addiction. Addictions are usually either physical (drugs) or mental (gambling), and I personally believe that homosexuality is a little of both. Addictions take time to cure, and that was my point. Just because someone goes and has **** sex after he/she becomes a Christian, doesn't mean he'she is no longer a Christian.
xdeathx, please. You help neither side, since you seem to be devoid of the facts, and also devoid of meaningful and intelligent posts. Please excuse yourself from the discussion.
By today's standards, YES, that is true.
But the real god isn't going to accept that, because 1: You need to get married to have sex, and secondly, most states don't allow **** marriages anyway, and I doubt god would accept that.
By today's standards, YES, that is true.
But the real god isn't going to accept that, because 1: You need to get married to have sex, and secondly, most states don't allow **** marriages anyway, and I doubt god would accept that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it has nothing to do with today's standards. Living a sinless life is not a prerequisite for being a christian.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And, well, maybe there is such thing as addiction, but the addiction is YOUR fault, no one elses. You started doing crack and was stupid enough to continue to the point in which you were addicted. You should go away and seek theropy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fault or not, it's still there, and it's still real. Those with an addiction who want help are those we should be helping. Not sending them away to go seek therapy on their own. Jesus didn't shun the prostitutes, in fact, he went and ministered to the prostitutes and the tax collectors (a very low job at that time).
They are NOT equal. They live alternatively, and therefore cannot be treated as such when dealing with certain things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You seem to fail to realise the fact that there have been g*y people millenia before Christianity was formed, even by Christianities standards, they have outlived it. Just as it has become more socially acceptable, they're coming forward. I feel the idea that there's stampeding hordes of homosexuals a tad ridiculous.
But as to equality. I believe that everyone is equal. That being that the belief that everyone has the right to believe what they want and also feel how they want. I mean, call me a hippy commie, but why shouldn't "alternative" people be as acceptable as "vanilla" people.
like I said before, you seem to be utterly devoid of all of the facts. Go read your Bible, and then come back and post when you understand a little better.
"Oh, I'm sorry. You <i>may</i> have worked tirelessly all your life helping those livinf in poverty, but you slept with men. Down you go!"
It's a pretty negative way to think of your faith to be honest, focusing on punishment instead of reward.
But think about it, because of all this active movement **** *** are just too forward. Our country has gone down the crapper. They just didn't think about it. It's not hypocrisy, it's just not thinking things through all the way.
"Oh, I'm sorry. You <i>may</i> have worked tirelessly all your life helping those livinf in poverty, but you slept with men. Down you go!"
It's a pretty negative way to think of your faith to be honest, focusing on punishment instead of reward. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
actually, God wouldn't say "hey, you were a homosexual, you're going to hell now" any more than he'd say "hey man, you went to church every sunday, the pearly gates are over there." When all is said and done, what matters is your belief. Did you believe that Jesus was the Christ, and that he died for your sins? Did you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord? If not, I'm sorry, straight or not, **** or not, church-goer or not, you're on your way to hell. It says so right in the Bible
edit: sorry for the double-post, I figured by the time I finished writing, I'd have like 4 ahead of mine.
Just because I'm right doesn't mean you have to be a pompous ****, alright?
You're a crack head. GO AWAY. YOU SHOULD BE IN JAIL.
*** ARE NOT supposed to be christian. ALRIGHT?
They are alternative. I would adapt the way of another country if I moved there. Why can't other people? People seem to be proud that they're ****. That should not be condoned, especially in Christianity.
<span style='color:orange'>Being right or wrong doesn't have anything to do with the fact that right now you're flat-out insulting another member. For attitude towards others in previous posts and blatant forum rule breaking in this one, tempsuspension. We and I shall determine duration in the moderator's forum.</span> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>edit to make punishment remark more concise. Punishment currently stands at 1 week tempsuspension, but may be altered at the decision of another admin.</span>
Definately, agreed, this has more turned into a debate as to whether the Bible's teachings are viable in this day and age.
Yes I suppose stoning is the answer for many crimes, that women should be treated like property, and.. er.. many other things that I won't even delve into.
Yes I suppose stoning is the answer for many crimes, that women should be treated like property, and.. er.. many other things that I won't even delve into. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
"He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone"
I'd like it if the people who posted here had some clue if they're going to quote the Bible. And please don't mistake Bible times for the Bible itself.
Now please find yours because I'm pretty sure it's not there (or at least not in the new testament)
I don't believe there should be a LGCM in the first place. Yeah that's great you're ****, just stop throwing it in our faces already. Personally, I could care less if you are ****, we are all sinners right? It's just this incessant complaining over and over again of "We demand more rights." "Treat us fairly." "Stop hating us because we are ****." "I need my insulin." It is really getting annoying.
In response to what the church did. I wouldn't have even got in the position in the first place. Just say up front "Sorry, go use the town center or pavilion or something." Why would you want to hold a meeting about doing something that contradicts what God wants us to do IN HIS OWN HOUSE.
However, the ban was a bit harsh. Even though they are **** and it's a sin, they should still be allowed to go to church. All sins are equally ugly in God's eyes.
huh?
It's annoying that people want to be treated <b>equally</b>? I suppose when the women protested for equality and to be able to vote it was just as annoying.
I'm pretty sure if they were not discriminated against and treated equally they'd shut up about it. But whilst there's still small-minded, hateful people, that's not going to happen.
Take of this statement as you will, it is the <b>truth</b>.
*edit* btw I see females treated pretty equally nowadays, and there are still super-active feminist groups...contradicting what you said about "if they were equal, they'd shut up"
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From what I can gather, the g4y/lesbian christians were wanting to worship God. They were not planning to use the church for some sort of 'rave party' now were they ?
By all means let the church do what they want... but this really seems to fly in the face of all that I consider to be 'Christian' values i.e. love first and foremost - not judgement. I was under the impression it was for God and He alone to do the judging. Let them in for God's sake - and I mean this literally. If He still rejects them for whatever reason then so be it.
This sort of business just really confirms why I am an ex-christian. When people see a male holding another male's hand - instead of a <b>human being holding another human being's hand</b> - I think it very sad. Why does it always have to be about sex ? Do people of 'alternate lifestyles' have no other feelings besides raw sexual energy ?
It baffles me that some here seem to be offended by the very idea of g4y/lesbian christians. The bottom line is, don't worry about them, worry about _yourself_. If they don't 'measure up' at the end then they won't, so there's no point in isolating them now is there ?