Dr.strangelove
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It's pretty bad how "nuts" America went of one philosophy, and it's pretty humorous in how they demonized Communism, and not people instead, as if there was something fundamentally evil about communism, when in reality, despite the beliefs of certain individuals, there is nothing bad about communism except for the fact that one of its variable is not constant, and thats human behavior.
One of the best quotes evar.
Look at their names. They have deeper meanings...Mandrake for example is an (herb?) believed to help with fertility. And the planes fueling up in the beginning. Dr.Strangelove has this weird sexual vibe to it.
Awesome movie. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I saw it for the first time in the Castro Theater (place in San Francisco that shows old movies) with a packed audience, and I've never laughed so hard before or since. I now own copies of it on both VHS and DVD so I can inflict it on people that haven't yet had the pleasure.
I think that was kinda the point......its funny yet at the same time not because its not very far off from reality. If I remember correctly there was a banner in the military base that said something like "Peace is Our Business" and the first time I saw it i thought that was funny. Then I learned it was an actual poster used in a simliar context.
I think thats what makes this movie so good, on the surface its really funny, but hiding just below the ludicrous facade is a fascinatingly accurate depiction of Cold War mentality.
Oh and the planes in the begining, what I have come to think of as the "Plane F***ing" scene, is about as erotic as airplanes can get in my opinion.
Sexuality was dripping from the film though, "Strangelove". "Preicous Bodily Fluids", the general's secretary.......hell even the cowboy pilot looks like he is ecstaticaly humping the nuke, and as such the world, into oblivion.
Prehaps that is the film's message....
I'd say that's an accurate assessment.
But yes, that is a huge part of the movie.
"Okay, I shoot but do you know what happens to you if you don't get president on the phone?
You have to answer to Coca Cola company"
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"Okay, I shoot but do you know what happens to you if you don't get president on the phone?
You have to answer to Coca Cola company"
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lol Yes very good line
DONT LISTEN TO HIM!
HE'S A RED COMMIE B*****D! KILL HIM! BURN THE WITCH!!!!
People associate communism with evil before they even know what communism MEANS.
It's such an excellent satire of the cold war...
"YOU CAN'T LET HIM IN HERE! HE'LL SEE THE BIG BOARD!"
And in the end, when the bombs are dropping, and everybody is scrambling, all they think about once again is how to beat the Russians, and the Russian guy goes back to taking pictures of the War Room and Dr. Strangelove walks <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The guy that rode the bomb down thought the movie was a drama, as he wasn't told of the entire story <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Very nice touch.
You just contradicted yourself, if you really know what communism is then you would think the exact opposite.
The bulls*** Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote down 150 years ago doesn't apply today because what he predicted hasn't come true. Communism governments are more likely to oppress their workers than any other state of government. This stuff about a utopia where every man works together is just headache inducing. I like the freedom I have now, I don't want to be forced to work for a "utopia".
If you want people who were revolutionaries in thinking then go read Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Baron De Montesquieu, and John Locke. They caused change in the world, for good.
If you don't agree, then you are welcome to go travel to South Korea and make your way to North Korea from there.
The bulls*** Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote down 150 years ago doesn't apply today because what he predicted hasn't come true. Communism governments are more likely to oppress their workers than any other state of government. This stuff about a utopia where every man works together is just headache inducing. I like the freedom I have now, I don't want to be forced to work for a "utopia".
If you want people who were revolutionaries in thinking then go read Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Baron De Montesquieu, and John Locke. They caused change in the world, for good.
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The countries that said they were aren't, and use it as a figurehead. GG
Very good movie.
As for communism while I do have to admit it hasn't been given that fair of a stake, the staking I've had seen has been very poor even by optimistic results.
Not one system of communism has ever worked. Capitalism has.
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Yes.
EDIT: I was born in Ukraine and moved to the US when I was six, 2 years after the Soviet Union fell apart because Ukraine basically went to ****. The apartment block that I was living 2 blocks away from was bombed, and wages were about 14 dollars a month, once capitalism was in effect this all happened. If you are indeed from Bosnia then you should know that the civil war was caused by the collapse of the Soviet Union. What did you get out of that? Hatred, racism, and genocide. USSR was more of totalitarian state than a socialist state.
Emergency measures----bureaucracy, less democracy--were taken, and with these, opportunists took over the USSR, killing every good Communist they could get their hands on, and they used the world communist movement (which they unfortunately still controlled) as a bargaining chip with capitalist governments.
You say that, since you are well off under capitalism, you must like it. This is a sellout's way to think. The democratic philosophers that you mentioned were often persecuted in their times, when they could have "gone along with it" and gotten rewards, but instead they were willing to stand up for their beliefs. So don't try and defend them and yourself at the same time, if our world is the "perfect society" as you seem to say, then I might as well shoot myself.
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Um...I could be wrong, but the only time I recall that the USSR was ever directly invaded by anything resembling a capitalist country was during WW2 by the Nazi Germany....and that was after Stalin had gained power, whom I doubt you'd be willing to defend as a model communist and a outstanding human being. I'd recomend reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn's <u> One day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich</u> if you do.
Futhermore, I'd say the doctrine of a continuing revolution until the entire world was communist (incidently probably the only way communism could work is if at the very least a large portion of world was, which probably won't ever happen) would constitue a direct threat towards any capitalist country. I wouldn't say it was enough of a threat to cause the massive Red Scare, such as was commented upon in Dr. Strangelove, but it was a threat. And it was a real threat, communist sponsered terrorism agaisnt "the West" was far too widespread to ignore.
Now I'm not saying that communism, as an idea is evil, nor is capitalism exactly my idea of utopia, both have their problems. However thus far it seems as though "communism" in practice tends to have larger problems then capitalism does. Hell even feudalism in theroy works prefectly, and sometimes did, but as communism seems to, it also allows for great abuses of power and injustices.
All systems have flaws, and to pretend that communism can work in real life just as it does on paper, depsite all evidence to the contrary, is to my thinking foolish, just as foolish as saying capatilism is working prefectly now. Society probably never will be prefect, and to expect it to be is just opening yourself up to disappointment.
It is far better just to try to find the good in your society, try to fix the bad, and try to find happiness in this world.