Onos Is Impossible To Hit

Lito

<div class="IPBDescription">with grenades</div> ...unless you aim pretty damn high.

An onos has 28 hit boxes. Why can't i hit any of them when i aim low?

SDJason

i totally agree... it is damn hard to hit an onos with a grenade.. and must be adressed somehow... i mean.. they are frekin tanks with the hitbox size of a skulk..

Its hard to find where the hitbox is in that huge sprite.....

~Jason

Ollj

NS does not use the precise models hitboxes like, for example, CS does.
It uses a different, less complex, system for hit detection excluding headshots and stuff you dont need.
Therefore you can build 50 structures in one huge map before you get performance problems.

One problem of this is that the onos hitbox has almost marine size, maybe because a crouching onos hull has marine size.

MrMojo

Yeah, I beleve there is a great topic somewhere describing where you need to shoot an onos in order to do damage.

Cereal_KillR

it's <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=45243&hl=onos+hitbox' target='_blank'>this</a> we're talking about I believe

Flash

That’s a bit of a revelation to me. I’ve always been aiming at the head as it’s the biggest part. Maybe I’ll actually kill one now.

AjaxFisk

I always find grenades hit me as Onos <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->

Then again, usally becuase i run in at the rong time, and the 3 grenades go off that where just fired at the door way..

Lito

i'm talking about how grenades explode the instant they hit an alien (thank god for that, i wouldn't have survived many skulk attacks without it) and how if you try and fire anywhere else but the general middle area it won't explode. the only way to use a gren launcher against it is to predict where he wil lgo and fire nades onto the ground in that general area

GoldenShadow

the onos visible model is much larger than its clip box-on the x and y axis, but i think its the right height, that means you have to aim for the center mass to hit it.

Diablus

i always aim for its back legs or arse, seems to work for me

Lito

Try doing that when he's charging your butt to obvlion <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->.

the only reason i own skulks with it is because they sit still when then bite me in HA (i try to get into a little crevas so that they are always facing me)

sk84zer0

I hit onos all the time with grenades directly, aim for the part between the two legs on his back and you will get direct hits.

Lito

what about if he's comnig right at you? I think any self-respecting onos would love to devour an HA/GL

sk84zer0

Well if he is coming right at you, then shoot 4 grenades into his face.

MrMojo

Aim at the stomach. I know for sure that when he's in devouring range, and you crouch, you hit every shot.

Lito

hmm, that would mean i'd have to wait until it was in devour range, then start pelting him with grenades?

Isn't that a free meal for the onos?

CEldin

intreauging....

Mercior

The onos seems to be treated as a marine as far as collision is concerned...

I've made a marine with a red skin to replace the onos model so its actually possible to hit the ****!

<img src='http://www.mercior.com/images/onos.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
<a href='http://www.mercior.com/files/onos.zip' target='_blank'>Download</a>

Name the model "alien5.mdl" and put it in \ns\models\player\alien5 - I recommend you back up your existing onos model.

MrMojo

Ahahah. Make a release topic for that on the models board <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

ps : love the teeth

Lito

hmm, won't that look a tad weird? i mean, an onos is pretty long on all fours. i imagine seeing the red marine skin devouring a marine from like 10 feet away

Taint

When an Onos comes at me with a knife I just Grenade directly below me in order to make a sort of mine. Then jump around in circles until the grenades explode.

<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo-->

Mercior

I've just tried out my model and it makes it onos hell of a lot easier to kill <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

eggmac

Merciors onos model works really great even killed one on my own <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
here are some screenies:

eggmac

and another one

taboofires

Hitting an onos with a nade (direct hit) is just as hard as hitting a standing marine with one. The hulls are about the same size.

It is pretty easy to damage an onos indirectly with a nade, since they are (often) slow and get stuck on things like other players. If you can't run, nades will do a number on you.

Electrical_Tape

<!--QuoteBegin--Lito+Sep 7 2003, 01:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lito @ Sep 7 2003, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...unless you aim pretty damn high.

An onos has 28 hit boxes. Why can't i hit any of them when i aim low? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You see that tall, super slim hitbox in the middle? yeah, well, thats the only hitbox that actually works.

Electrical_Tape

yeah, what others said. The actual areas that you can shoot to cause it damage are small and about the size or a marine.

RyoOhki

Where are the dreads? WHERE!?!?

And the udder!

coil

Well, that's an unbelievably exploitative model replacement. /:

Sniper_Chance

I'd say this would be.

Kid-A

<!--QuoteBegin--coil+Sep 8 2003, 12:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Sep 8 2003, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, that's an unbelievably exploitative model replacement. /: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not so sure.

Surely a bigger model is worse than a smaller model with the correct hitboxes. The current onos model is effectively 'spiked' due to it's extra size. (This is from the marine POV)