Sgt Stacker - Cortana, Cortana! Can ya , Can ya hear me in their? Hey b!tch! I didn't figure out the crossword yet, you can't go! six across, what's a seven letter word...?
Sgt Stacker - Various inarticulate shouts of unrestrained combat rage. Are you guys completely f**ked? Inarticulate...All right, I give you inarticulate, I got your mother ***kin inarticulate.
Sgt Stacker - Take that skirt off and get back there and fight soldier! What's this with skirts? You don't have the right to wear the beret. We're not wearing berets, sir, they are steel reinforced titanium helmets. I'm gonna f**k you up boy.
<!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Oct 1 2003, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Oct 1 2003, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> GearBox/Bungie might release a patch that brings co-op back when they realize that Co-Op was one of the strong selling points of Halo, that and the Puma. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They know this, but doing co-op on the PC is much more complicated and they would have to basically rework the code of the game. If you really wanted to wait another 6 months to a year for your co-op, more power to you.
"Oh come on, they're not gonna stop a war because of Microsoft."
*firing stops*
(whispers) "What was that?" "I think he said something about Microsoft."
Red vs. Blue is gonna be great now that it's on PC. Much more flexibility. I'm gonna try and pick Halo up today, I have 150 bucks in best buy store credit stuffs ^_^
Griff: Simmons, get the Warthog Simmons: You mean the puma? Griff: Yeah, keep making jokes, that'll win the war.
Since Halo is out now (Gotta check amazon to see if it shipped) I think Gearbox will mainly do a patch/mod for co-op. Think about it. Half-Life didn't have co-op, along comes Sven Co-Op. If Gearbox doesn't patch/mod it, someone else will. Imagine three-six Master Chiefs running through the Library.
"Oh man thats not good. Oh my god that jeep has a really big gun"
"Your really not very good with that thing are you"
"He must be on smart son-of-a-bit**" "I am so frikkin lost"
"We threw rocks through it" "Yeah, and so what? The rocks came out the other side didn't they?" "Yeah but they were all hot and covered in black stuff"
"I'm telling you it was four shots, like bam, bam, bam" "Wait a second thats only three bams" "Bam"
"A Plan Aww Man I hate plans? That means we gotta do stuff. Can't we have a strategy or Mission Statement?"
<!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Oct 1 2003, 01:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Oct 1 2003, 01:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seeing as how it came out TODAY Aegeri...I wouldn't take people's words if they were before today.
Halo...average FPS? No no no. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> People who pre ordered apparently got it a day early in some cases. Hardly surprised, that happened with Sacrifice too way back when.
Average FPS? Oh very yes.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Halo didn't let you carry around an armory (which Mr. Freeman did). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It didn't really have many weapons to begin with anyway. Plus you only ever needed two (I found the assault rifle and sniper rifle would get me through 90% of the game no problem) really. Personally, this didn't really affect me much overall.
Man, it has been so long since I've seen multiple difficulty levels, I think like the first to have them was Catacombs of the Abyss. Those were good times.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you never played Legendary, you won't understand when I say you had to use teamwork.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I did, I wasn't overly enthused with it. Give me nightmare Final Doom. NOW THAT is bloody hardcore.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Me and my friend ran through the game on Easy,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean in the co-op mode that doesn't exist on the PC version?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->went through again on normal, skipping the library. We put on Legendary...it was actually work to take down Elite's.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed O_o
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The MA25B (Assault Rifle) was weak compared to what you could do with the Plasma Rifle. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't deny this, but it's rate of fire, usually high amount of ammo and good accuracy was what I liked about it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you think about it, Half-Life singleplayer wasn't really all that spectacular. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh huh. For when it was released it was incredibly good.
Halo would of been good a few years ago.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Static enviroment's, the same aliens over and over and over again, just in different waves.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And yet, you do not make the same complaint about Halos 5-6 enemy types. Is this hypocrisy? I think so. Hell, halo had more of the same creatures over and over than Half life managed too. In addition to this, HL at least challenged you with very different situations for them, Halo depended on the degree of copy and paste used in that level.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mr. Freeman had pistol, python, mp5, xbow, Rocket Launcher, Tau Cannon, Gluon Gun, DetPac, Grenade, Tripmine {forgive me if I forgot one, I haven't played SP in a while}.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You forgot the alien hive hand and snarks. (I wouldn't count the grenades though, I see them as more a side arm than a true weapon).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Let's not forget that Mr. Freeman's adventure sometimes felt quite copy + paste for textures. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BWAHAHAHAHAHHA! And how is this worse than Halo, which did that AND copied ENTIRE SECTIONS OF A LEVEL!?
You're just contradicting yourself over and over.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Halo had the same effect, but namely because that's how you design a space station & starships. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not in my book. This is a really poor defence.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now, onto the gameplay issues. Have you actually seen someone playing, or have you heard only by word-of-mouth?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Both (and watched PC version).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->From the fact that he was playing it @ a LAN, I'll take his word over the hear-say of yours. And if you go and try to rip on Halo's graphics, remember that it originally started being worked on over four years ago. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which of course is a brilliant excuse for it to run like complete **** on a majority of peoples computers.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And unless you post some actual screen shots of actual gameplay, of Halo in the final (gold) release, I wouldn't trust anyone talking about the graphics.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure.
Once again, you fail to make any convincing arguments, heck, you even fail at a most basic level to even make sense.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->when you resort to actually attacking me & the points, that's pushing the flaming boundrary.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never attacked you sorry, I think you got owned though (Screenshot wise).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you don't like Halo, i'll respect your opinion but when you go insulting it...that really gets my goat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I attacked your opinions, but never you.
I can understand what you say however, but I'm afraid I can only suggest not to be so sensitive.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In all respect, Gearbox probably did a better job converting Halo then some thought possible, considering the size of the task.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As a port, it's as bad as GTA3 originally.
Not as bad as the worst port ever (MGS, now THAT was ick).
I skipped most of what Aegeri had because there seems to be more quotes than actual replies...
Anyway, I'm gonna get Halo this weekend, it'll be a much needed change of pace from NS (And other Half Life mods) and Warcraft 3. I'll add my two cents about it after I've played it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once again, you fail to make any convincing arguments, heck, you even fail at a most basic level to even make sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess some people's definition of personal attacks is rather lenient.
<!--QuoteBegin--GreyPaws+Oct 1 2003, 07:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GreyPaws @ Oct 1 2003, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ARG... I just bought it, my fiance is picking it up for me tonight, I need to know if I should open the box or if this game sucks ($54)
Someone post some pros and cons PLZ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You actually have the game, and you're asking us if you should play it to see for yourself O_o. Unless of course you are talking about the rather stringent return policy?
What is your system? If you have a good system then it might be worth it, however:
Pros: Multiplayer is quite fun, mostly due to the vehicles however. Otherwise it is pretty bog standard. Looks nice if you have a good system Relatively fun for a short period, the beginning half of the single player is decent.
Cons: Few weapons (a highly standard arsenal at that, nothing overly creative) No cooperative play The second half of the single player is plain abysmal (or bog standard) Runs poorly for the majority of people (though if it runs well, it runs really well)
Gadzuko <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I guess some people's definition of personal attacks is rather lenient. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't, I basically said his arguments made utterly no sense (and they don't, his criticising HL for repetitive enemies, without doing so to Halo? O_o, unless you can explain to me how that makes sense in ANY way I think the statement stands).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you think about it, Half-Life singleplayer wasn't really all that spectacular. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh huh. For when it was released it was incredibly good.
Halo would of been good a few years ago.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah....remember two years ago? When HALO was actually released <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> This point is actually relevant - it may not seem very groundbreaking in the wake of <i>itself</i>( <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ), but it certainly was groundbreaking enough you know....<b>two years ago</b>.
Secondly, as a Console <b>AND</b> PC gamer, I can say that HALO is much better and generally more polished than the VAST, VAST majority of FPS games on the computer. Name me three right now that, in the past two years, have been better than Halo.
<i>Didn't think so <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--></i>
In conclusion, do not listen to me or Aegeri. We each are merely posting our own opinions. Obviously if there is such a large argument over this you muct try it for yourself (owever the suspicion in my mind is that the naysayers are so blindly devoted to trying to be different and be the counter to contemporary society that they end up being incredibly biased towards anything that is widely regarded as "good." The Matrix: Reloaded was a perfect example of this - it was quite on par with the first. However, there were a plethora of people who were determined to criticize it only based upon the far-reaching nature of its merits and by it's popularity and "hype.")
All I can say is to give the game a chance. While it has easily reached my top 5 of all time, others have much different opinions. Who to believe? Read a review - don't ask a fanboy population of players such as ourselves <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Aegeri+Oct 1 2003, 07:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Oct 1 2003, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gadzuko <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I guess some people's definition of personal attacks is rather lenient. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't, I basically said his arguments made utterly no sense (and they don't, his criticising HL for repetitive enemies, without doing so to Halo? O_o, unless you can explain to me how that makes sense in ANY way I think the statement stands).
I think some people need to do debating. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You said his arguments made no sense, but that's because you quoted them nonsensically. He wasn't criticizing HL for repetitive enemies, he was pointing out that all FPS use the repetitive enemies technique so you can't bust on Halo for that. Pretty much every point he made, you decided to take in a different direction than what he intended and then ridiculed him for it. If you think a point doesn't make sense, ask him to clarify it, don't belittle him for it. Tossing out lines like that just shows that you have trouble accepting other viewpoints.
<!--QuoteBegin--Dubbilex+Oct 1 2003, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Oct 1 2003, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah....remember two years ago? When HALO was actually released <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> This point is actually relevant - it may not seem very groundbreaking in the wake of <i>itself</i>( <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ), but it certainly was groundbreaking enough you know....<b>two years ago</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not really, if it had been released a long time ago before they were bought out by microsoft, then probably it would of been a lot better.
Even on the X-Box at the time it was lacking, however you do still have a very good point here. I was mostly talking about the PC version of the game, and not really the X-Box version.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Secondly, as a Console <b>AND</b> PC gamer, I can say that HALO is much better and generally more polished than the VAST, VAST majority of FPS games on the computer. Name me three right now that, in the past two years, have been better than Halo.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ghost Recon, Ravenshield and Unreal Tournament 2003 are easily much better.
Battlefield 1942 massacres halo for vehicular combat, Medal of Honor Allied Assault, while I didn't like it, was still a very solid game.
So I win, next.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(owever the suspicion in my mind is that the naysayers are so blindly devoted to trying to be different and be the counter to contemporary society that they end up being incredibly biased towards anything that is widely regarded as "good." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not really, but isn't that funny how you gibber "this is opinions" and then turn around and directly attack the ones different than yours.
Hypocrisy runs rampant among the halo crowd it would appear :/
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Matrix: Reloaded was a perfect example of this <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I liked it :/
Gadzuko <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You said his arguments made no sense, but that's because you quoted them nonsensically. He wasn't criticizing HL for repetitive enemies, he was pointing out that all FPS use the repetitive enemies technique so you can't bust on Halo for that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? That isn't the impression I got from his post. If he was meaning to say that, then he would of corrected me. However, you will notice that I never mentioned repetitive enemies in my previous post before that. It was only until he bought that particular point up did I mention that (and hence said he was contradicting himself).
Please read an entire argument before commenting.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->. Pretty much every point he made, you decided to take in a different direction than what he intended and then ridiculed him for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually no, I've already shown that your particular interpretation is wrong.
I'm sure though you will try to say I was arguing with you about something I hadn't even said in a previous argument.
I'd like you to quote me where I said halo had repetitive enemies BEFORE his post about HL.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tossing out lines like that just shows that you have trouble accepting other viewpoints. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it just shows I pay attention to the argument I'm arguing in. I happen to read all the posts in an argument before entering one as well, otherwise I end up making myself look silly (a common occurance when I first went on the net).
Smoke <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> think someone needs to calm down and step away. If you attack Gadzuko...man, your askin for a war.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can I pee my pants now?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[edit] me wubs j00 Gadzuko. You saw the point I was making [/edit]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I doubt it actually at all, considering I had never bought it up previously in the argument I found your point ridiculous.
If you had criticised Halo for the EXACT same thing then you would of had a valid point. But you didn't, so either you are basically conceding your argument to me or you're making utterly no point on halos quality at all. If that was the point you were making, then you did it very poorly, especially because I never really bought it up. You did though, not me.
I did however say that I wasn't overly impressed with Halo's arsenal, but I will concede there that I do love the assault rifle (because it reminds me of the aliens pulse rifle).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You can't attack Halo just because it happened to have much longer gameplay with the same enemy.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never did before your post with HL, unless I've forgotton something.
Why is it though you attacked Half life in your post for the same thing?
<!--QuoteBegin--Aegeri+Oct 1 2003, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Oct 1 2003, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gadzuko <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You said his arguments made no sense, but that's because you quoted them nonsensically. He wasn't criticizing HL for repetitive enemies, he was pointing out that all FPS use the repetitive enemies technique so you can't bust on Halo for that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? That isn't the impression I got from his post. If he was meaning to say that, then he would of corrected me. However, you will notice that I never mentioned repetitive enemies in my previous post before that. It was only until he bought that particular point up did I mention that (and hence said he was contradicting himself).
Please read an entire argument before commenting.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->. Pretty much every point he made, you decided to take in a different direction than what he intended and then ridiculed him for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually no, I've already shown that your particular interpretation is wrong.
I'm sure though you will try to say I was arguing with you about something I hadn't even said in a previous argument.
I'd like you to quote me where I said halo had repetitive enemies BEFORE his post about HL.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tossing out lines like that just shows that you have trouble accepting other viewpoints. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it just shows I pay attention to the argument I'm arguing in. I happen to read all the posts in an argument before entering one as well, otherwise I end up making myself look silly (a common occurance when I first went on the net). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Read Smoke's post, right above yours. The one where he says that I interpreted his argument correctly. After that, I'd like you to read the rest of my post, where it says to ask for clarification instead of trying to make whoever has an opposing viewpoint look bad. Like, for instance, if you happened to insinuate that your opponent wasn't reading the entire debate without any evidence beyond one statement (which you happened to misinterpret).
My two cents: Halo PC is nifty. I have both the PC and the Xbox version (or rather, my roommate has the pc version and let me borrow it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->).
+ it's Halo. COME ON. good plot, good graphics, good design (well... some levels are really repetitive)...
- Okay, it lags. I'm on a 1.7ghz with 512 RAM and a Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb and it STILL lags when things gang up on me. Of course, I -could- try turning down the settings.... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you've got an xbox, I'd recommend getting the xbox version (unless you really want to play it on the net). otherwise, if your PC can handle it, I say by all means, get the PC version.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Read Smoke's post, right above yours.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my post, the one right above yours <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> (You might have missed my edit). I think this is a 'backdown', personally I do not accept that, especially given, <i>in context</i>, the discussion and the way it was presented.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The one where he says that I interpreted his argument correctly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I think he's trying to weasel <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After that, I'd like you to read the rest of my post, where it says to ask for clarification instead of trying to make whoever has an opposing viewpoint look bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But again, this was not how it was presented in the context of the argument. I had never made this point (you have missed this about 4 times now <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->) so it came out of left field. The context and way it was presented supports my argument.
Perhaps we could move this to the discussions board and have a discussion on English? (which is where this is heading- How different people interpret arguments as they are presented. Could be an interesting topic).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like, for instance, if you happened to insinuate that your opponent wasn't reading the entire debate without any evidence beyond one statement (which you happened to misinterpret). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't misinterpret anything actually based on the context of the debate. I again, challenge you to read the entire argument and quote where I bought up anything about repetitive enemies BEFORE his post.
He should of stated what he did MUCH better if he was making such a comparison, as he didn't my interpretation is fair.
My main problem with Halo is that it's so blasted <b>unstable</b> on my system. I was playing 343 Guilty Spark and shooting at those waves of bouncy things when this other enemy bursts through the wall, and rushes at me. As soon as it gets close... BAM! System crash. I get system crashes for so many simple things. Loading a level, changing detail settings, changing resolution, EXITING THE GAME.... My other problem is that the system requirements are <i>highly</i> inaccurate. I'm running a P4 1.8 GHz, 1024 MB RAM and a Radeon 9000 128 MB. I have to turn off all the little pretties, put textures on Medium, and run in 800x600 to get more than 10 FPS. (If I put it on 640*480, guess what? <b>CRASH</b>.) And even then, I lag when there are more than 4 enemies in my general area. Not a good move for Gearbox. They should have just delayed it and fixed the problems.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Read Smoke's post, right above yours.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my post, the one right above yours <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> (You might have missed my edit). I think this is a 'backdown', personally I do not accept that, especially given, <i>in context</i>, the discussion and the way it was presented.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The one where he says that I interpreted his argument correctly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I think he's trying to weasel <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After that, I'd like you to read the rest of my post, where it says to ask for clarification instead of trying to make whoever has an opposing viewpoint look bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But again, this was not how it was presented in the context of the argument. I had never made this point (you have missed this about 4 times now <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->) so it came out of left field. The context and way it was presented supports my argument.
Perhaps we could move this to the discussions board and have a discussion on English? (which is where this is heading- How different people interpret arguments as they are presented. Could be an interesting topic).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like, for instance, if you happened to insinuate that your opponent wasn't reading the entire debate without any evidence beyond one statement (which you happened to misinterpret). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't misinterpret anything actually based on the context of the debate. I again, challenge you to read the entire argument and quote where I bought up anything about repetitive enemies BEFORE his post.
He should of stated what he did MUCH better if he was making such a comparison, as he didn't my interpretation is fair. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I never said, and he never said, that you said anything about Halo having repetitive enemies. It's not that I'm missing your point, it's just that you aren't understanding what I'm saying. I was explaining his post, and I challenge you to quote me saying that you were saying that Halo had repetitive enemies <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
While it's true that a lot of points could be stated better, it doesn't mean that anyone's personal interpretation is the right one. Like I said before, ask if you don't know what he's talking about. The author's intent is the important thing, and while your interpretation is fair it's incorrect according to him.
I have it, its quite possibly one of my favorite games on the face of the earth, aside from NS. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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It's pronounced Corps (k-or) man, not Corps (k-orp-s) man. That would be very bad for someone performing first aid to be called a Corps (k-orp-s) man.
Whee, Halo!
Sgt Stacker - Various inarticulate shouts of unrestrained combat rage. Are you guys completely f**ked? Inarticulate...All right, I give you inarticulate, I got your mother ***kin inarticulate.
Sgt Stacker - Take that skirt off and get back there and fight soldier! What's this with skirts? You don't have the right to wear the beret. We're not wearing berets, sir, they are steel reinforced titanium helmets. I'm gonna f**k you up boy.
They know this, but doing co-op on the PC is much more complicated and they would have to basically rework the code of the game. If you really wanted to wait another 6 months to a year for your co-op, more power to you.
*firing stops*
(whispers)
"What was that?"
"I think he said something about Microsoft."
Red vs. Blue is gonna be great now that it's on PC. Much more flexibility. I'm gonna try and pick Halo up today, I have 150 bucks in best buy store credit stuffs ^_^
Another classic.
Griff: Simmons, get the Warthog
Simmons: You mean the puma?
Griff: Yeah, keep making jokes, that'll win the war.
Since Halo is out now (Gotta check amazon to see if it shipped) I think Gearbox will mainly do a patch/mod for co-op. Think about it. Half-Life didn't have co-op, along comes Sven Co-Op. If Gearbox doesn't patch/mod it, someone else will. Imagine three-six Master Chiefs running through the Library.
"Your really not very good with that thing are you"
"He must be on smart son-of-a-bit**"
"I am so frikkin lost"
"We threw rocks through it"
"Yeah, and so what? The rocks came out the other side didn't they?"
"Yeah but they were all hot and covered in black stuff"
"I'm telling you it was four shots, like bam, bam, bam"
"Wait a second thats only three bams"
"Bam"
"A Plan Aww Man I hate plans? That means we gotta do stuff. Can't we have a strategy or Mission Statement?"
Halo...average FPS? No no no. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People who pre ordered apparently got it a day early in some cases. Hardly surprised, that happened with Sacrifice too way back when.
Average FPS? Oh very yes.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Halo didn't let you carry around an armory (which Mr. Freeman did). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It didn't really have many weapons to begin with anyway. Plus you only ever needed two (I found the assault rifle and sniper rifle would get me through 90% of the game no problem) really. Personally, this didn't really affect me much overall.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Halo actually had teamwork, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ohhh become a comedian!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Halo had multiple difficulty levels,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OH MY GOD! MULTIPLE DIFFICULTY LEVELS!
Man, it has been so long since I've seen multiple difficulty levels, I think like the first to have them was Catacombs of the Abyss. Those were good times.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Halo had co-op!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which isn't even in the PC version, so have you not made a single point?
I think so.
Incidently, don't count on it ever being added. Then again, you probably would of thought multiplayer was going to be added to mafia too :/
that's why valve delayed hl2.
I did, I wasn't overly enthused with it. Give me nightmare Final Doom. NOW THAT is bloody hardcore.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Me and my friend ran through the game on Easy,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean in the co-op mode that doesn't exist on the PC version?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->went through again on normal, skipping the library. We put on Legendary...it was actually work to take down Elite's.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed O_o
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The MA25B (Assault Rifle) was weak compared to what you could do with the Plasma Rifle. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't deny this, but it's rate of fire, usually high amount of ammo and good accuracy was what I liked about it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you think about it, Half-Life singleplayer wasn't really all that spectacular. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh huh. For when it was released it was incredibly good.
Halo would of been good a few years ago.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Static enviroment's, the same aliens over and over and over again, just in different waves.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And yet, you do not make the same complaint about Halos 5-6 enemy types. Is this hypocrisy? I think so. Hell, halo had more of the same creatures over and over than Half life managed too. In addition to this, HL at least challenged you with very different situations for them, Halo depended on the degree of copy and paste used in that level.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mr. Freeman had pistol, python, mp5, xbow, Rocket Launcher, Tau Cannon, Gluon Gun, DetPac, Grenade, Tripmine {forgive me if I forgot one, I haven't played SP in a while}.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You forgot the alien hive hand and snarks. (I wouldn't count the grenades though, I see them as more a side arm than a true weapon).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Halo had MA25B, Pistol, Plasma Pistol, Plasma Rifle, Needler, Sniper Rifle, Rocket Launcher, Fuel Rod Gun, Flamethrower, Frag Grenades, Plasma Grenades. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't really count the two grenades.
Ironically, you forgot the shotgun in both cases.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Let's not forget that Mr. Freeman's adventure sometimes felt quite copy + paste for textures. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BWAHAHAHAHAHHA! And how is this worse than Halo, which did that AND copied ENTIRE SECTIONS OF A LEVEL!?
You're just contradicting yourself over and over.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Halo had the same effect, but namely because that's how you design a space station & starships. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not in my book. This is a really poor defence.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now, onto the gameplay issues. Have you actually seen someone playing, or have you heard only by word-of-mouth?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Both (and watched PC version).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->From the fact that he was playing it @ a LAN, I'll take his word over the hear-say of yours. And if you go and try to rip on Halo's graphics, remember that it originally started being worked on over four years ago. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which of course is a brilliant excuse for it to run like complete **** on a majority of peoples computers.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And unless you post some actual screen shots of actual gameplay, of Halo in the final (gold) release, I wouldn't trust anyone talking about the graphics.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure.
Once again, you fail to make any convincing arguments, heck, you even fail at a most basic level to even make sense.
I never attacked you sorry, I think you got owned though (Screenshot wise).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you don't like Halo, i'll respect your opinion but when you go insulting it...that really gets my goat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I attacked your opinions, but never you.
I can understand what you say however, but I'm afraid I can only suggest not to be so sensitive.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In all respect, Gearbox probably did a better job converting Halo then some thought possible, considering the size of the task.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As a port, it's as bad as GTA3 originally.
Not as bad as the worst port ever (MGS, now THAT was ick).
Honestly, Halo just wasn't that great.
I skipped most of what Aegeri had because there seems to be more quotes than actual replies...
Anyway, I'm gonna get Halo this weekend, it'll be a much needed change of pace from NS (And other Half Life mods) and Warcraft 3. I'll add my two cents about it after I've played it.
[edit] and doing what? the Halo outtakes or the arguement? [/edit]
I guess some people's definition of personal attacks is rather lenient.
Someone post some pros and cons PLZ
Someone post some pros and cons PLZ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You actually have the game, and you're asking us if you should play it to see for yourself O_o. Unless of course you are talking about the rather stringent return policy?
What is your system? If you have a good system then it might be worth it, however:
Pros:
Multiplayer is quite fun, mostly due to the vehicles however. Otherwise it is pretty bog standard.
Looks nice if you have a good system
Relatively fun for a short period, the beginning half of the single player is decent.
Cons:
Few weapons (a highly standard arsenal at that, nothing overly creative)
No cooperative play
The second half of the single player is plain abysmal (or bog standard)
Runs poorly for the majority of people (though if it runs well, it runs really well)
Gadzuko
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I guess some people's definition of personal attacks is rather lenient. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't, I basically said his arguments made utterly no sense (and they don't, his criticising HL for repetitive enemies, without doing so to Halo? O_o, unless you can explain to me how that makes sense in ANY way I think the statement stands).
I think some people need to do debating.
Uh huh. For when it was released it was incredibly good.
Halo would of been good a few years ago.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah....remember two years ago? When HALO was actually released <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> This point is actually relevant - it may not seem very groundbreaking in the wake of <i>itself</i>( <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ), but it certainly was groundbreaking enough you know....<b>two years ago</b>.
Secondly, as a Console <b>AND</b> PC gamer, I can say that HALO is much better and generally more polished than the VAST, VAST majority of FPS games on the computer. Name me three right now that, in the past two years, have been better than Halo.
<i>Didn't think so <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--></i>
In conclusion, do not listen to me or Aegeri. We each are merely posting our own opinions. Obviously if there is such a large argument over this you muct try it for yourself (owever the suspicion in my mind is that the naysayers are so blindly devoted to trying to be different and be the counter to contemporary society that they end up being incredibly biased towards anything that is widely regarded as "good." The Matrix: Reloaded was a perfect example of this - it was quite on par with the first. However, there were a plethora of people who were determined to criticize it only based upon the far-reaching nature of its merits and by it's popularity and "hype.")
All I can say is to give the game a chance. While it has easily reached my top 5 of all time, others have much different opinions. Who to believe? Read a review - don't ask a fanboy population of players such as ourselves <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I guess some people's definition of personal attacks is rather lenient. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't, I basically said his arguments made utterly no sense (and they don't, his criticising HL for repetitive enemies, without doing so to Halo? O_o, unless you can explain to me how that makes sense in ANY way I think the statement stands).
I think some people need to do debating. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You said his arguments made no sense, but that's because you quoted them nonsensically. He wasn't criticizing HL for repetitive enemies, he was pointing out that all FPS use the repetitive enemies technique so you can't bust on Halo for that. Pretty much every point he made, you decided to take in a different direction than what he intended and then ridiculed him for it. If you think a point doesn't make sense, ask him to clarify it, don't belittle him for it. Tossing out lines like that just shows that you have trouble accepting other viewpoints.
Not really, if it had been released a long time ago before they were bought out by microsoft, then probably it would of been a lot better.
Even on the X-Box at the time it was lacking, however you do still have a very good point here. I was mostly talking about the PC version of the game, and not really the X-Box version.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Secondly, as a Console <b>AND</b> PC gamer, I can say that HALO is much better and generally more polished than the VAST, VAST majority of FPS games on the computer. Name me three right now that, in the past two years, have been better than Halo.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ghost Recon, Ravenshield and Unreal Tournament 2003 are easily much better.
Battlefield 1942 massacres halo for vehicular combat, Medal of Honor Allied Assault, while I didn't like it, was still a very solid game.
So I win, next.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(owever the suspicion in my mind is that the naysayers are so blindly devoted to trying to be different and be the counter to contemporary society that they end up being incredibly biased towards anything that is widely regarded as "good." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not really, but isn't that funny how you gibber "this is opinions" and then turn around and directly attack the ones different than yours.
Hypocrisy runs rampant among the halo crowd it would appear :/
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Matrix: Reloaded was a perfect example of this <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I liked it :/
Gadzuko
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You said his arguments made no sense, but that's because you quoted them nonsensically. He wasn't criticizing HL for repetitive enemies, he was pointing out that all FPS use the repetitive enemies technique so you can't bust on Halo for that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? That isn't the impression I got from his post. If he was meaning to say that, then he would of corrected me. However, you will notice that I never mentioned repetitive enemies in my previous post before that. It was only until he bought that particular point up did I mention that (and hence said he was contradicting himself).
Please read an entire argument before commenting.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->. Pretty much every point he made, you decided to take in a different direction than what he intended and then ridiculed him for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually no, I've already shown that your particular interpretation is wrong.
I'm sure though you will try to say I was arguing with you about something I hadn't even said in a previous argument.
I'd like you to quote me where I said halo had repetitive enemies BEFORE his post about HL.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tossing out lines like that just shows that you have trouble accepting other viewpoints. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it just shows I pay attention to the argument I'm arguing in. I happen to read all the posts in an argument before entering one as well, otherwise I end up making myself look silly (a common occurance when I first went on the net).
Smoke
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> think someone needs to calm down and step away. If you attack Gadzuko...man, your askin for a war.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can I pee my pants now?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[edit] me wubs j00 Gadzuko. You saw the point I was making [/edit]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I doubt it actually at all, considering I had never bought it up previously in the argument I found your point ridiculous.
If you had criticised Halo for the EXACT same thing then you would of had a valid point. But you didn't, so either you are basically conceding your argument to me or you're making utterly no point on halos quality at all. If that was the point you were making, then you did it very poorly, especially because I never really bought it up. You did though, not me.
I did however say that I wasn't overly impressed with Halo's arsenal, but I will concede there that I do love the assault rifle (because it reminds me of the aliens pulse rifle).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You can't attack Halo just because it happened to have much longer gameplay with the same enemy.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never did before your post with HL, unless I've forgotton something.
Why is it though you attacked Half life in your post for the same thing?
O_o
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You said his arguments made no sense, but that's because you quoted them nonsensically. He wasn't criticizing HL for repetitive enemies, he was pointing out that all FPS use the repetitive enemies technique so you can't bust on Halo for that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? That isn't the impression I got from his post. If he was meaning to say that, then he would of corrected me. However, you will notice that I never mentioned repetitive enemies in my previous post before that. It was only until he bought that particular point up did I mention that (and hence said he was contradicting himself).
Please read an entire argument before commenting.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->. Pretty much every point he made, you decided to take in a different direction than what he intended and then ridiculed him for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually no, I've already shown that your particular interpretation is wrong.
I'm sure though you will try to say I was arguing with you about something I hadn't even said in a previous argument.
I'd like you to quote me where I said halo had repetitive enemies BEFORE his post about HL.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tossing out lines like that just shows that you have trouble accepting other viewpoints. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it just shows I pay attention to the argument I'm arguing in. I happen to read all the posts in an argument before entering one as well, otherwise I end up making myself look silly (a common occurance when I first went on the net). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read Smoke's post, right above yours. The one where he says that I interpreted his argument correctly. After that, I'd like you to read the rest of my post, where it says to ask for clarification instead of trying to make whoever has an opposing viewpoint look bad. Like, for instance, if you happened to insinuate that your opponent wasn't reading the entire debate without any evidence beyond one statement (which you happened to misinterpret).
My two cents: Halo PC is nifty. I have both the PC and the Xbox version (or rather, my roommate has the pc version and let me borrow it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->).
+ it's Halo. COME ON. good plot, good graphics, good design (well... some levels are really repetitive)...
- Okay, it lags. I'm on a 1.7ghz with 512 RAM and a Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb and it STILL lags when things gang up on me. Of course, I -could- try turning down the settings.... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you've got an xbox, I'd recommend getting the xbox version (unless you really want to play it on the net). otherwise, if your PC can handle it, I say by all means, get the PC version.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Read Smoke's post, right above yours.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my post, the one right above yours <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> (You might have missed my edit). I think this is a 'backdown', personally I do not accept that, especially given, <i>in context</i>, the discussion and the way it was presented.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The one where he says that I interpreted his argument correctly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I think he's trying to weasel <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After that, I'd like you to read the rest of my post, where it says to ask for clarification instead of trying to make whoever has an opposing viewpoint look bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But again, this was not how it was presented in the context of the argument. I had never made this point (you have missed this about 4 times now <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->) so it came out of left field. The context and way it was presented supports my argument.
Perhaps we could move this to the discussions board and have a discussion on English? (which is where this is heading- How different people interpret arguments as they are presented. Could be an interesting topic).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like, for instance, if you happened to insinuate that your opponent wasn't reading the entire debate without any evidence beyond one statement (which you happened to misinterpret). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't misinterpret anything actually based on the context of the debate. I again, challenge you to read the entire argument and quote where I bought up anything about repetitive enemies BEFORE his post.
He should of stated what he did MUCH better if he was making such a comparison, as he didn't my interpretation is fair.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Read Smoke's post, right above yours.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my post, the one right above yours <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> (You might have missed my edit). I think this is a 'backdown', personally I do not accept that, especially given, <i>in context</i>, the discussion and the way it was presented.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The one where he says that I interpreted his argument correctly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I think he's trying to weasel <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After that, I'd like you to read the rest of my post, where it says to ask for clarification instead of trying to make whoever has an opposing viewpoint look bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But again, this was not how it was presented in the context of the argument. I had never made this point (you have missed this about 4 times now <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->) so it came out of left field. The context and way it was presented supports my argument.
Perhaps we could move this to the discussions board and have a discussion on English? (which is where this is heading- How different people interpret arguments as they are presented. Could be an interesting topic).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like, for instance, if you happened to insinuate that your opponent wasn't reading the entire debate without any evidence beyond one statement (which you happened to misinterpret). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't misinterpret anything actually based on the context of the debate. I again, challenge you to read the entire argument and quote where I bought up anything about repetitive enemies BEFORE his post.
He should of stated what he did MUCH better if he was making such a comparison, as he didn't my interpretation is fair. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never said, and he never said, that you said anything about Halo having repetitive enemies. It's not that I'm missing your point, it's just that you aren't understanding what I'm saying. I was explaining his post, and I challenge you to quote me saying that you were saying that Halo had repetitive enemies <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
While it's true that a lot of points could be stated better, it doesn't mean that anyone's personal interpretation is the right one. Like I said before, ask if you don't know what he's talking about. The author's intent is the important thing, and while your interpretation is fair it's incorrect according to him.