<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yeah, after their siberian tiger empire fell back in the fifties, the remaining tigers had to get by working crumby vegaz jobs...
life.. so often trajic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Oct 6 2003, 08:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Oct 6 2003, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the PA strip, well lets see, sticking clothing on a bear and BEATING it with a stick is NOT THE SAME THING AS TRAINING AN ANIMAL, that is simply crulity to animals (an actual law prohibts that). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So its not identical, therefore it can't possibly have even the slightest or remotest thing ever to do with the matter at hand. The idea remains, and it remains for the fact you pointed out yourself at the very beginning of your post.
<b>These animals CAN NOT BE DOMESTICATED.</b>
Since in an identical manner to the animals you apparently so much empathize with you are unable to connect to the two, let me step up and do it for you.
You take an animal out of its natural environment. A naturally aggressive and predatory animal at that. You dress it up. You parade it around in front of a multitude of people. You make it perform tricks and stunts that it would NEVER do of its own volition in the wild. And then you have the audacity to say "omg wth teh tig3r is n0t supposed to do dat!1!1!!!!". You sir, let your opinionated bias against people in general make you stupid. GG textbook knowledge vs. common sense.
<!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Oct 6 2003, 07:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Oct 6 2003, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mullet+Oct 7 2003, 01:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Oct 7 2003, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Oct 6 2003, 05:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Oct 6 2003, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mullet+Oct 6 2003, 11:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Oct 6 2003, 11:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For some reason I don't think the Tiger would have attacked him if they truly did care for it and show it love...It's pretty damn obvious that they are mean to it. Roy got what he deserved. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not particulaly true. It's far simpler than that. It's not a case of how they treat the tiger (However, that may contribute significantly...), it just comes down to one simple point.....
....<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>IT'S A DAMN TIGER!</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My cat has never attacked me...
That tiger has been nursed by humans since it was born, just like my cat. Yes, it's a tiger and that's pretty damn scary considering how big they are and where they come from, but, I still think that if you showed it enough love and care then it would never attack you like it did to Roy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Your cat is, i presume, a domestic breed of cat. For countless generations it has been used to being around humans or whatnot. Go up to a wild cat and see if it doesn't try to claw your eyes out.
When it comes to an animal such as the tiger, the one they're using can't be more than 2-3 generations from a wild tiger at the MOST, and that's being excessively safe about that.
Maybe if it was a 1000th generation domesticated tiger it may not attack, but it's not now is it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, we got our first cat at the pound. It was in fact a wild cat. That thing bit and scratched me more than anything I've ever seen...I had to get a shot from it biting me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> . It was impossible to control, but, it had babies and after 2 days of having them, she died from being hit by a car. I found all 5 of them and took care of them. All 5 lived. I gave 4 of the 5 to friends and family and kept 1.
She thinks she is human, and she absolutely loves humans.
I took care of a wild cat; wild cat has babies; wild cat dies; I take care of babies; babies (now 3 years old) love humans.
^^^^That right there can easily be compared to tigers. Why hasn't my cat bit or scratched me ONCE? Becuase I love it and I spend time with it every day....Now, If I was to abuse it and make it do things it didn't want to do, then I'm 100% positive it would lose its temper and attack me. Capeesh?
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->These animals CAN NOT BE DOMESTICATED.
Since in an identical manner to the animals you apparently so much empathize with you are unable to connect to the two, let me step up and do it for you.
You take an animal out of its natural environment. A naturally aggressive and predatory animal at that. You dress it up. You parade it around in front of a multitude of people. You make it perform tricks and stunts that it would NEVER do of its own volition in the wild. And then you have the audacity to say "omg wth teh tig3r is n0t supposed to do dat!1!1!!!!". You sir, let your opinionated bias against people in general make you stupid. GG textbook knowledge vs. common sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who says they cant be domesticated? First of all, they didn't take it out of it's natural environment. Not that I know much about tigers, but, I DO know that the tiger that attacked roy was in fact a very rare tiger...(cuz of it's color). Do you honestly think they took it out of the wild? They nursed it since it was born! The only reason why it attacked Roy was because they made it do things it didn't want to do (like you said), and IMY, I think they abused it. Do you think that the tiger just rolled over and did everything for them?
I'm not saying they like beat it with a bat or anything but they probably tapped it's nose and stuff like that which would increase it's anger...
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/me beats self about head for not just letting this die as I should, but the mas amount of stupidity floatting around is just to tempting
ok, once again.
The big Cats, can't be domesticated, this is a KNOWN fact
All those small cats that you mentioned (Mullet) have 2 spicies names Domestic shorthair and domestic long hair (remember I have worked as a vetrinary assistant, I actualy come from a strong background on this).
yes, domestic cats CAN go feral, it hapens. Generaly from mistreatment or simply being left to their own meens for long enugh. However they still have a few hundred/thousand years of breading behind the 'this is a human, humans are your friends' attitude. Please go read something before you hurt your self.
Oh, and the concept that S&R beat their animals..... Thats just silly. Look, they are 2 of the most well known animals performers there are. If you think they could actualy keep the paperatzi from finding out that they BEAT their animals, your silly, nuff said <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (again, S&R actualy are some of the people in the forefront of animal rights stuff)
as for xioutlawix
Try reading my post, I know and they know that the animals can not be domesticated (I said so in my post).
They knew the risks they were taking, they know if they make eye contact with their cats that they will probably be attacked, and as it happened that is apparently what did happen.
I am not so surprised that it finaly did hapen (and they probably are not either) I am SAD that a decent (as far as I can tell) human being was hurt. what sickens me is all the people who find this to be amusing (suffering is not sometihng to be laughed at, ever)
again, you constantly bring up how horible they must be to the naimals, trust me they are not.
I know rather well what the law sates on animal cruelty. I have done behavior modification experaments, wich require you to have your experiment aproved by a board.
Again, baiscly you are not arguing against me, you are simply stating facts that I have said previously and claiming that there fore I am wrong (so you think it was a GOOD thing Roy was mauled? thanks, nice to know the rest of humanity is still living up to my expectations)
<!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Oct 7 2003, 02:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Oct 7 2003, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Again, baiscly you are not arguing against me, you are simply stating facts that I have said previously and claiming that there fore I am wrong (so you think it was a GOOD thing Roy was mauled? thanks, nice to know the rest of humanity is still living up to my expectations) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're an "Animal Person" with a low opinion of humanity.
I would have presumed you'd be backing the fact that animals should be in their natural habitats, in the wild, and not being forced to do degrading public performances. I consider it a funny thing that Roy got mauled because he got what he deserved.
Humans are animals too you know, stop having such a high opinion of our species, compare us by the same standards that animals are if it makes you feel better.
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OMG lol
So its not identical, therefore it can't possibly have even the slightest or remotest thing ever to do with the matter at hand.
The idea remains, and it remains for the fact you pointed out yourself at the very beginning of your post.
<b>These animals CAN NOT BE DOMESTICATED.</b>
Since in an identical manner to the animals you apparently so much empathize with you are unable to connect to the two, let me step up and do it for you.
You take an animal out of its natural environment. A naturally aggressive and predatory animal at that. You dress it up. You parade it around in front of a multitude of people. You make it perform tricks and stunts that it would NEVER do of its own volition in the wild. And then you have the audacity to say "omg wth teh tig3r is n0t supposed to do dat!1!1!!!!".
You sir, let your opinionated bias against people in general make you stupid. GG textbook knowledge vs. common sense.
Not particulaly true. It's far simpler than that. It's not a case of how they treat the tiger (However, that may contribute significantly...), it just comes down to one simple point.....
....<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>IT'S A DAMN TIGER!</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My cat has never attacked me...
That tiger has been nursed by humans since it was born, just like my cat. Yes, it's a tiger and that's pretty damn scary considering how big they are and where they come from, but, I still think that if you showed it enough love and care then it would never attack you like it did to Roy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your cat is, i presume, a domestic breed of cat. For countless generations it has been used to being around humans or whatnot. Go up to a wild cat and see if it doesn't try to claw your eyes out.
When it comes to an animal such as the tiger, the one they're using can't be more than 2-3 generations from a wild tiger at the MOST, and that's being excessively safe about that.
Maybe if it was a 1000th generation domesticated tiger it may not attack, but it's not now is it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, we got our first cat at the pound. It was in fact a wild cat. That thing bit and scratched me more than anything I've ever seen...I had to get a shot from it biting me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> . It was impossible to control, but, it had babies and after 2 days of having them, she died from being hit by a car. I found all 5 of them and took care of them. All 5 lived. I gave 4 of the 5 to friends and family and kept 1.
She thinks she is human, and she absolutely loves humans.
I took care of a wild cat; wild cat has babies; wild cat dies; I take care of babies; babies (now 3 years old) love humans.
^^^^That right there can easily be compared to tigers. Why hasn't my cat bit or scratched me ONCE? Becuase I love it and I spend time with it every day....Now, If I was to abuse it and make it do things it didn't want to do, then I'm 100% positive it would lose its temper and attack me. Capeesh?
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->These animals CAN NOT BE DOMESTICATED.
Since in an identical manner to the animals you apparently so much empathize with you are unable to connect to the two, let me step up and do it for you.
You take an animal out of its natural environment. A naturally aggressive and predatory animal at that. You dress it up. You parade it around in front of a multitude of people. You make it perform tricks and stunts that it would NEVER do of its own volition in the wild. And then you have the audacity to say "omg wth teh tig3r is n0t supposed to do dat!1!1!!!!".
You sir, let your opinionated bias against people in general make you stupid. GG textbook knowledge vs. common sense.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who says they cant be domesticated? First of all, they didn't take it out of it's natural environment. Not that I know much about tigers, but, I DO know that the tiger that attacked roy was in fact a very rare tiger...(cuz of it's color). Do you honestly think they took it out of the wild? They nursed it since it was born! The only reason why it attacked Roy was because they made it do things it didn't want to do (like you said), and IMY, I think they abused it. Do you think that the tiger just rolled over and did everything for them?
I'm not saying they like beat it with a bat or anything but they probably tapped it's nose and stuff like that which would increase it's anger...
ok, once again.
The big Cats, can't be domesticated, this is a KNOWN fact
All those small cats that you mentioned (Mullet) have 2 spicies names Domestic shorthair and domestic long hair (remember I have worked as a vetrinary assistant, I actualy come from a strong background on this).
yes, domestic cats CAN go feral, it hapens. Generaly from mistreatment or simply being left to their own meens for long enugh. However they still have a few hundred/thousand years of breading behind the 'this is a human, humans are your friends' attitude. Please go read something before you hurt your self.
Oh, and the concept that S&R beat their animals.....
Thats just silly. Look, they are 2 of the most well known animals performers there are. If you think they could actualy keep the paperatzi from finding out that they BEAT their animals, your silly, nuff said <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (again, S&R actualy are some of the people in the forefront of animal rights stuff)
as for xioutlawix
Try reading my post, I know and they know that the animals can not be domesticated (I said so in my post).
They knew the risks they were taking, they know if they make eye contact with their cats that they will probably be attacked, and as it happened that is apparently what did happen.
I am not so surprised that it finaly did hapen (and they probably are not either) I am SAD that a decent (as far as I can tell) human being was hurt. what sickens me is all the people who find this to be amusing (suffering is not sometihng to be laughed at, ever)
again, you constantly bring up how horible they must be to the naimals, trust me they are not.
I know rather well what the law sates on animal cruelty. I have done behavior modification experaments, wich require you to have your experiment aproved by a board.
Again, baiscly you are not arguing against me, you are simply stating facts that I have said previously and claiming that there fore I am wrong (so you think it was a GOOD thing Roy was mauled? thanks, nice to know the rest of humanity is still living up to my expectations)
So you're an "Animal Person" with a low opinion of humanity.
I would have presumed you'd be backing the fact that animals should be in their natural habitats, in the wild, and not being forced to do degrading public performances. I consider it a funny thing that Roy got mauled because he got what he deserved.
Humans are animals too you know, stop having such a high opinion of our species, compare us by the same standards that animals are if it makes you feel better.
next time get a vegetarian tiger