he meant <a href='http://www.valve-erc.com/content/resources/zhlt/ZHLTReference.html' target='_blank'>these</a> switches, settings, parameters... the same
<!--QuoteBegin--The Real Quasar+Oct 9 2003, 05:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The Real Quasar @ Oct 9 2003, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm sorry, but there's just not enough here to comment on. You have some nice ideas though, but I'm afraid it's rather obvious you're kinda new to this mapping thang... But no matter! You'll probably get a lot of negativity when you start out, but you'll quickly learn to adapt. This is defenitely a lot better than most first maps i've seen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just what I wanted to say. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Here's some changes. You probably already know about the misaligned texture on the pipe, I think you said you did in a previous post, anyway:
When I say, "Warm the lighting up" I mean, try something other than white, like try a dark yellow-orange or a slight green/blue effect. The lighting is boring right now, and you really need to chnage your .rad settings cause it looks very funky right about now.
last one <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->..comments and critz
Don't hollow that pillar, it'll be a mess... And as for the pipes, you didn't cut them correctly. That's about it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also add more of those "warm" lights and less white lights.
What kind of area is this? If it's a computer lab, add computers, if it's an industrial type area, add more pipes and a big machine or something. Give us more info on this rea, what is it called? (Besides MS, obviously.)
Well, I'm not even going to appraise your map right now, but I have to agree with lillbrorsan and uffo. Here are some things about you, not even getting into the map, that annoyed me:
A. You're 12. Ugh. It's hard to get anyone to even play with a 12 year old let alone look at his 20 minute map. B. You made a thread about a map you threw together in 20 minutes? Ugh. Spare us and don't say anything at all until you've worked on it at LEAST a few days. C. Your age is made apparent by your use of broken English, and your use of stuff like 'u' 'r' and 'ur'. If you want to be taken seriously try speaking correctly. D. Man I really hope that by 'your textures' you only meant the ceiling, which definitely isn't worth a release (if not for aesthetic reasons then for the fact that there is only one texture). E. It doesn't matter if you've been mapping since you were 8, it's not too hard to pick up the basics, real success comes from how playable and realistic it is, as well as how good it looks. You failed in all of these areas.
Ok, now on to your map, I'll keep this brief. Three main areas you goofed on, aesthetics, realism, and playability, it really doesn't look that great, you use the same 3 textures, and even they don't look all that great together, your stuff isn't aligned and your layout seems pretty random. What's the deal with that light zapper room? There isn't any rhyme or reason to the stuff you put into your map, try to include things that you might expect to find on a real ship, or things you might want to include if you were actually building one, such as a bridge, engineering section, or a computer core kind of deal (although it's kind of overdone).
Of course your map isn't finished yet, but I guarantee if you continue to build in this fashion no one will like playing it, give some thought to hive/cc location and res points etc. Hopefully you DO play NS and have seen ns_bast, that is a solid piece of mapping right there. Look at all the different details that were added, the problem with half-life maps and their mods has always been that they make this really blocky looking map and then paste textures over it to simulate detail. While in a sense this is 3-dimensional it doesn't really feel like it. It's a good idea to make layers, for example the grates in ns_caged dont just have a texture of a grate and some pipes or wiring underneath, the mapper MADE a grate where there is actually something underneath it, little details like that contribute to a sense of depth and realism in your map.
Good maps take a really long time, don't expect to post a topic after 20 minutes of work and have anyone like it. Anyway, you really should take a cue from bast, compare its rooms with yours and the huge difference should just jump at you right away. It has realistic area concepts that you would expect on a real spaceship, what does that light zapper thing do? Some weak beam randomly comes out of the ceiling, seemingly without purpose, you should avoid that. Bast has a lot of detail that makes it feel even more realistic, and thats what the player wants. If your map doesn't make you feel as if you were aboard a spaceship you've got work to do.
<!--QuoteBegin--Arawn+Oct 11 2003, 12:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Arawn @ Oct 11 2003, 12:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A. You're 12. Ugh. It's hard to get anyone to even play with a 12 year old let alone look at his 20 minute map. B. You made a thread about a map you threw together in 20 minutes? Ugh. Spare us and don't say anything at all until you've worked on it at LEAST a few days. C. Your age is made apparent by your use of broken English, and your use of stuff like 'u' 'r' and 'ur'. If you want to be taken seriously try speaking correctly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> On an off-topic note:
Do you realise that <i>this</i> makes you act like an 8 year old? Come on! He's a member of the community and is trying hard to make a decent map, but you just discourage him all the way, not to mention using offensive comments about him. So what if he's 12? Don't you think a 12 year old can be intelligent or have a good conversation?
You spelled 'realize' wrong, put emphasis on the wrong word and I think you meant 'seem' instead of 'act', now run this by me again...I'm the 8 year old? I WAS trying to discourage him, but not from making maps, my intention was to try and prevent these threads from ever popping up, because as you may know, this isn't the first one to appear. You guys need to be a little more firm in your judgement, the community of which you speak is beginning to get polluted. If my intent was to discourage him from all map making I wouldn't have suggested methods for improvement. Oh, and the answer is no, 12 year olds are not intelligent and cannot engage in intelligent conversations, that is not to say that he will never be intelligent, he just isn't at this particular point.
That was a really fast reply, did you even read all of my post? If you did, then reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.
Oh, excuse me but we do not all have English as our native language, so you're now just picking on my little spelling errors. Good work on those. And with your behaviour, I'd suggest you get a vacation and relax. Criticism is good, but your criticism was discouraging in every way.
I'll end this here now, or someone will come and lock this for going off-topic.
Hmm Arawn, interesting, a crusade to stop the noobish postings that have come to recently dominate these forums.... conducted in one such posting. It is easy to conclude that you have yet to realize that those new to the practice of mapping are not looking at the information we have provided before asking a question. How then do you conclude that attempting to stop them from this behavior by singling out one of them will work? These comments are entirely inappropriate, and your attitude in general does nothing to help on any matter you're attempting to apply it.
Now if you wish, proofreed my grammer and spelling as a way of avoiding the content of my statements. If this method of waxing intellectual helps in some way I will gladly accept the abuse, and have even intentionally left in a few gems for you. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Shask: What you've posted is an improvement. Keep at it and you can learn to do this just as well as anyone else.
Actually, I was criticizing his spelling and what not after he decided to call me an 8 year old, and anyway I've posted in a few other topics like this one. I think probably 60% of my posts have been criticizing stupid people, perhaps 25% spent on clan rants and the last 15% random posts (which are sometimes nice). To tell you the truth I haven't planned on dedicating my life to the eradication of stupidity on these forums, but whenever I'm so inclined, I will make posts like this one.
The reaction is always the same, you guys fit the profile perfectly, you blindly rush in here and post about "BUT ARAWN HES JUST TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB LOL" or "Arawn, you are a self-centered 4sshole and you have no right to criticize other peoples work, blah blah blah". Stop and think about this one, this thread (started by a 12 year old) ranks right up there with the guy who was like 'IVE ONLY PLAYED NS ONCE AND I BET THIS WONT WORK BUT IVE GOT THIS AWESOME STRATEGY, ALL THE ALIENS SHOULD JUST SIT AROUND AT THE BEGINNING AS GORGES AND SAVE FOR ONOS!!!1111' True story...and he did say that.
You guys are too nice to these kinds of people, just admit it, this thread was a stupid idea from the start, what would you say if i fired up hammer right now and then created a few threads with horrible screenshots of my 10 minute maps. "Hm look at me I'm a valued and respected member of this community, let me browse around for stupid newbie posts so that I may look like a pompous 4ss while congratulating/defending him."
Oh, and you went a little too far with 'proofreed', if you were trying to be clever, it didn't work. Edit: I didn't have to look far for that guys errors, I wasn't even planning on mentioning any, but they were so bad his post was hardly intelligible.
<!--QuoteBegin--Arawn+Oct 10 2003, 07:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Arawn @ Oct 10 2003, 07:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, I was criticizing his spelling and what not after he decided to call me an 8 year old, and anyway I've posted in a few other topics like this one. I think probably 60% of my posts have been criticizing stupid people, perhaps 25% spent on clan rants and the last 15% random posts (which are sometimes nice). To tell you the truth I haven't planned on dedicating my life to the eradication of stupidity on these forums, but whenever I'm so inclined, I will make posts like this one.
The reaction is always the same, you guys fit the profile perfectly, you blindly rush in here and post about "BUT ARAWN HES JUST TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB LOL" or "Arawn, you are a self-centered 4sshole and you have no right to criticize other peoples work, blah blah blah". Stop and think about this one, this thread (started by a 12 year old) ranks right up there with the guy who was like 'IVE ONLY PLAYED NS ONCE AND I BET THIS WONT WORK BUT IVE GOT THIS AWESOME STRATEGY, ALL THE ALIENS SHOULD JUST SIT AROUND AT THE BEGINNING AS GORGES AND SAVE FOR ONOS!!!1111' True story...and he did say that.
You guys are too nice to these kinds of people, just admit it, this thread was a stupid idea from the start, what would you say if i fired up hammer right now and then created a few threads with horrible screenshots of my 10 minute maps. "Hm look at me I'm a valued and respected member of this community, let me browse around for stupid newbie posts so that I may look like a pompous 4ss while congratulating/defending him."
Oh, and you went a little too far with 'proofreed', if you were trying to be clever, it didn't work. Edit: I didn't have to look far for that guys errors, I wasn't even planning on mentioning any, but they were so bad his post was hardly intelligible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Read the forum rules.
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Arawn your a selfish little ******* ....go get a life..and leave us alone if your only gunan flam and be a n00b..anyway im gunna change all the lights to that yellow in MS..and im gunna make the ms more of like a room with many pipes or somthing..
<!--QuoteBegin--Shask+Oct 10 2003, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shask @ Oct 10 2003, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Arawn your a selfish little ******* ....go get a life..and leave us alone if your only gunan flam and be a n00b..anyway im gunna change all the lights to that yellow in MS..and im gunna make the ms more of like a room with many pipes or somthing.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You should read the rules as well. No retaliation, even to a flamer, let him act like this and see how long he stays here. No need to be anything but kind and curtious to him.
Back on topic: Great! Those yellowish lights looked wonderful and adding more pipes will give that room alot of atmosphere.
and i know about the pipes being cuta bit wrong..i might fix it..if not im gunna bput bars around pipes...i dunno yet..anyway how ya like..and yeh i changed pipes to brown instead..and they should be realigned now.
<!--QuoteBegin--Shask+Oct 10 2003, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shask @ Oct 10 2003, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Arawn your a selfish little ******* ....go get a life..and leave us alone if your only gunan flam and be a n00b..anyway im gunna change all the lights to that yellow in MS..and im gunna make the ms more of like a room with many pipes or somthing..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Rofl..this coming from a 12 year old kid who probably got his colorful vocabulary and attention to spelling/grammar from Counter-Strike..good job, that actually stung when I read it, I bet you were saving it since you were 8. Anyway, even I have to admit your map is looking better, the question is why couldn't you wait until now, or maybe a month from when you first started, to mention it and actually earn some respect.
I don't camp but I tend to be on more when I map because I get inspiration from all of you and right now I'm mapping. But, about the pics, they look great man, seriously. Though try the texture: wetwall1-big on the pillar. It is a more "industrial" type texture, just try it, right now I think it sticks out as being too "high-tech". A low-tech MS is rare, so this would give your map a unique quality.
umm k whatever u ment lol..and i spell wrong alot casue i type to fast..<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.and wow..u do have a heart..anyway ill just let my cpu chill here ill update and refresh to look at post every so often <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->..k..im gunna be going to bed soon going to uncles tomarrow.and gotta deal with 3 kneeses (4 if u count the little little one)anyway ill try that wall texture and maybe ppost it later or tomarrow..i dunno..
<!--QuoteBegin--Arawn+Oct 10 2003, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Arawn @ Oct 10 2003, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Shask+Oct 10 2003, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shask @ Oct 10 2003, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Arawn your a selfish little ******* ....go get a life..and leave us alone if your only gunan flam and be a n00b..anyway im gunna change all the lights to that yellow in MS..and im gunna make the ms more of like a room with many pipes or somthing..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Rofl..this coming from a 12 year old kid who probably got his colorful vocabulary and attention to spelling/grammar from Counter-Strike..good job, that actually stung when I read it, I bet you were saving it since you were 8. Anyway, even I have to admit your map is looking better, the question is why couldn't you wait until now, or maybe a month from when you first started, to mention it and actually earn some respect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> He has earned my respect, you most certainly have not Arawn.
pics coming soon but how do i make these sprites make the black not seeable? cause i added somthing to that machine thing and i made another pipe..and i think it looks nice..
Typical..hows that ego doing DarkATi? Really, I could care less whether I have your respect, it carries no weight with me. However, it's nice to see how I can get you so flustered that you'll forsake reasoning and common sense to tell Shask how much you respect him in a futile effort to make me jealous or angry. You haven't known this guy for more than a few minutes, and even then only through a few poorly constructed sentences on even fewer posts. The fact that you would just embrace all of that just to bother me makes you look like even more of an idiot. Congratulations.
Ego is defined as follows: 1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves. 2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality. 3. 1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit. 2. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.
I am neither conceited nor Self-Centered. I do have high self-esteem and appropriate pride in myself as everyone should. So to answer your question, my ego is doing fine.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Really, I could care less whether I have your respect, it carries no weight with me. However, it's nice to see how I can get you so flustered that you'll forsake reasoning and common sense to tell Shask how much you respect him in a futile effort to make me jealous or angry. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What measures a man truly but his association with people? You should care what everyone thinks of you, including myself. I suppose you think I am a nut or something of that sort, well then there will be no changing your mind, I won't try.
Also, I don't play those games. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I did not gush over the respect I have for Shask, I simply stated that I have more respect for him than I have for you and that is the truth. No futile efforts here sir.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You haven't known this guy for more than a few minutes, and even then only through a few poorly constructed sentences on even fewer posts. The fact that you would just embrace all of that just to bother me makes you look like even more of an idiot. Congratulations.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Congratulatory party over here! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
His few poorly constructed sentences are more sane than your grammatically correct rantings. "Oh Great Crusader, rid us of n00behness and spelling errors!"
Why do you pick on his spelling and grammar or anyone elses? Help. Don't hinder. I would suggest that you become a Language Arts teacher or some form of Literary Arts because that seems to me where you belong, not on a VideoGame forum. You clearly do not understand the rules here and if I were you I would read over them or only more conflicts of this nature are to appear in the future.
Bottom Line: This is a subjective matter, neither party can be scientifically proven right or wrong, therefore I end my conversation with you here Arawn.
I think dark's respect for shask is that he is trying to improve the map he's making, even after getting a horrible flaming on it. I know that's where mine is coming from. There really isn't much more I can say here that's any more of a personal attack than i've already made.
Shask, I really like a lot of the changes that you've made. I think you may want to reconsider the texture on the column where these pipes meet. It kind of looks like water pipes going into a computer to me. Definitley fix that pipe cut.... it's something that if you put it off you will just have to do it later anyways, might as well get it now while your map is still small and you can compile it a bunch of times. The whole area kind of has a maintenance or sewer feel to it, maybe you should add some grating in the floor, or put some water in it to add to that.
Also where the pipes are coming out of the walls you may want to put a flange in. To do that make another section of pipe that's about 3-4 units larger around than the pipe but only 6-8 units long. Then put that in between the pipe and the wall. Take a look at the pipes under the sink in your kitchen where they meet the wall to see what i'm talking about. They look a lot more realistic this way.
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Ignoring all the stupid people who think it's "hip" to flame each other, that last screenshot looks pretty nice! You've got nice lighting in there. Now, compare that to your first lot - see the difference?
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switches, settings, parameters... the same
This is defenitely a lot better than most first maps i've seen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just what I wanted to say. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
When I say, "Warm the lighting up" I mean, try something other than white, like try a dark yellow-orange or a slight green/blue effect. The lighting is boring right now, and you really need to chnage your .rad settings cause it looks very funky right about now.
Just some ideas and thoughts. ^_^
~ DarkATi
Don't hollow that pillar, it'll be a mess... And as for the pipes, you didn't cut them correctly. That's about it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also add more of those "warm" lights and less white lights.
What kind of area is this? If it's a computer lab, add computers, if it's an industrial type area, add more pipes and a big machine or something. Give us more info on this rea, what is it called? (Besides MS, obviously.)
~ DarkATi
A. You're 12. Ugh. It's hard to get anyone to even play with a 12 year old let alone look at his 20 minute
map.
B. You made a thread about a map you threw together in 20 minutes? Ugh. Spare us and don't say
anything at all until you've worked on it at LEAST a few days.
C. Your age is made apparent by your use of broken English, and your use of stuff like 'u' 'r' and 'ur'. If
you want to be taken seriously try speaking correctly.
D. Man I really hope that by 'your textures' you only meant the ceiling, which definitely isn't worth a
release (if not for aesthetic reasons then for the fact that there is only one texture).
E. It doesn't matter if you've been mapping since you were 8, it's not too hard to pick up the basics, real
success comes from how playable and realistic it is, as well as how good it looks. You failed in all of
these areas.
Ok, now on to your map, I'll keep this brief. Three main areas you goofed on, aesthetics, realism, and playability, it really doesn't look that great, you use the same 3 textures, and even they don't look all that great together, your stuff isn't aligned and your layout seems pretty random. What's the deal with that light zapper room? There isn't any rhyme or reason to the stuff you put into your map, try to include things that you might expect to find on a real ship, or things you might want to include if you were actually building one, such as a bridge, engineering section, or a computer core kind of deal (although it's kind of overdone).
Of course your map isn't finished yet, but I guarantee if you continue to build in this fashion no one will like playing it, give some thought to hive/cc location and res points etc. Hopefully you DO play NS and have seen ns_bast, that is a solid piece of mapping right there. Look at all the different details that were added, the problem with half-life maps and their mods has always been that they make this really blocky looking map and then paste textures over it to simulate detail. While in a sense this is 3-dimensional it doesn't really feel like it. It's a good idea to make layers, for example the grates in ns_caged dont just have a texture of a grate and some pipes or wiring underneath, the mapper MADE a grate where there is actually something underneath it, little details like that contribute to a sense of depth and realism in your map.
Good maps take a really long time, don't expect to post a topic after 20 minutes of work and have anyone like it. Anyway, you really should take a cue from bast, compare its rooms with yours and the huge difference should just jump at you right away. It has realistic area concepts that you would expect on a real spaceship, what does that light zapper thing do? Some weak beam randomly comes out of the ceiling, seemingly without purpose, you should avoid that. Bast has a lot of detail that makes it feel even more realistic, and thats what the player wants. If your map doesn't make you feel as if you were aboard a spaceship you've got work to do.
map.
B. You made a thread about a map you threw together in 20 minutes? Ugh. Spare us and don't say
anything at all until you've worked on it at LEAST a few days.
C. Your age is made apparent by your use of broken English, and your use of stuff like 'u' 'r' and 'ur'. If
you want to be taken seriously try speaking correctly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
On an off-topic note:
Do you realise that <i>this</i> makes you act like an 8 year old? Come on! He's a member of the community and is trying hard to make a decent map, but you just discourage him all the way, not to mention using offensive comments about him. So what if he's 12? Don't you think a 12 year old can be intelligent or have a good conversation?
Jesus...
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That was a really fast reply, did you even read all of my post? If you did, then reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.
I'll end this here now, or someone will come and lock this for going off-topic.
Now if you wish, proofreed my grammer and spelling as a way of avoiding the content of my statements. If this method of waxing intellectual helps in some way I will gladly accept the abuse, and have even intentionally left in a few gems for you. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Shask: What you've posted is an improvement. Keep at it and you can learn to do this just as well as anyone else.
The reaction is always the same, you guys fit the profile perfectly, you blindly rush in here and post about "BUT ARAWN HES JUST TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB LOL" or "Arawn, you are a self-centered 4sshole and you have no right to criticize other peoples work, blah blah blah". Stop and think about this one, this thread (started by a 12 year old) ranks right up there with the guy who was like 'IVE ONLY PLAYED NS ONCE AND I BET THIS WONT WORK BUT IVE GOT THIS AWESOME STRATEGY, ALL THE ALIENS SHOULD JUST SIT AROUND AT THE BEGINNING AS GORGES AND SAVE FOR ONOS!!!1111' True story...and he did say that.
You guys are too nice to these kinds of people, just admit it, this thread was a stupid idea from the start, what would you say if i fired up hammer right now and then created a few threads with horrible screenshots of my 10 minute maps. "Hm look at me I'm a valued and respected member of this community, let me browse around for stupid newbie posts so that I may look like a pompous 4ss while congratulating/defending him."
Oh, and you went a little too far with 'proofreed', if you were trying to be clever, it didn't work.
Edit: I didn't have to look far for that guys errors, I wasn't even planning on mentioning any, but they were so bad his post was hardly intelligible.
The reaction is always the same, you guys fit the profile perfectly, you blindly rush in here and post about "BUT ARAWN HES JUST TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB LOL" or "Arawn, you are a self-centered 4sshole and you have no right to criticize other peoples work, blah blah blah". Stop and think about this one, this thread (started by a 12 year old) ranks right up there with the guy who was like 'IVE ONLY PLAYED NS ONCE AND I BET THIS WONT WORK BUT IVE GOT THIS AWESOME STRATEGY, ALL THE ALIENS SHOULD JUST SIT AROUND AT THE BEGINNING AS GORGES AND SAVE FOR ONOS!!!1111' True story...and he did say that.
You guys are too nice to these kinds of people, just admit it, this thread was a stupid idea from the start, what would you say if i fired up hammer right now and then created a few threads with horrible screenshots of my 10 minute maps. "Hm look at me I'm a valued and respected member of this community, let me browse around for stupid newbie posts so that I may look like a pompous 4ss while congratulating/defending him."
Oh, and you went a little too far with 'proofreed', if you were trying to be clever, it didn't work.
Edit: I didn't have to look far for that guys errors, I wasn't even planning on mentioning any, but they were so bad his post was hardly intelligible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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You should read the rules as well. No retaliation, even to a flamer, let him act like this and see how long he stays here. No need to be anything but kind and curtious to him.
Back on topic: Great! Those yellowish lights looked wonderful and adding more pipes will give that room alot of atmosphere.
~ DarkATi
Rofl..this coming from a 12 year old kid who probably got his colorful vocabulary and attention to spelling/grammar from Counter-Strike..good job, that actually stung when I read it, I bet you were saving it since you were 8. Anyway, even I have to admit your map is looking better, the question is why couldn't you wait until now, or maybe a month from when you first started, to mention it and actually earn some respect.
~ DarkATi
Rofl..this coming from a 12 year old kid who probably got his colorful vocabulary and attention to spelling/grammar from Counter-Strike..good job, that actually stung when I read it, I bet you were saving it since you were 8. Anyway, even I have to admit your map is looking better, the question is why couldn't you wait until now, or maybe a month from when you first started, to mention it and actually earn some respect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He has earned my respect, you most certainly have not Arawn.
~ DarkATi
Ego is defined as follows:
1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.
2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.
3.
1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.
2. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.
I am neither conceited nor Self-Centered. I do have high self-esteem and appropriate pride in myself as everyone should. So to answer your question, my ego is doing fine.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Really, I could care less whether I have your respect, it carries no weight with me. However, it's nice to see how I can get you so flustered that you'll forsake reasoning and common sense to tell Shask how much you respect him in a futile effort to make me jealous or angry. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What measures a man truly but his association with people? You should care what everyone thinks of you, including myself. I suppose you think I am a nut or something of that sort, well then there will be no changing your mind, I won't try.
Also, I don't play those games. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I did not gush over the respect I have for Shask, I simply stated that I have more respect for him than I have for you and that is the truth. No futile efforts here sir.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You haven't known this guy for more than a few minutes, and even then only through a few poorly constructed sentences on even fewer posts. The fact that you would just embrace all of that just to bother me makes you look like even more of an idiot. Congratulations.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Congratulatory party over here! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
His few poorly constructed sentences are more sane than your grammatically correct rantings. "Oh Great Crusader, rid us of n00behness and spelling errors!"
Why do you pick on his spelling and grammar or anyone elses? Help. Don't hinder. I would suggest that you become a Language Arts teacher or some form of Literary Arts because that seems to me where you belong, not on a VideoGame forum. You clearly do not understand the rules here and if I were you I would read over them or only more conflicts of this nature are to appear in the future.
Bottom Line: This is a subjective matter, neither party can be scientifically proven right or wrong, therefore I end my conversation with you here Arawn.
Perhaps we can agree to disagree?
~ DarkATi
Shask, I really like a lot of the changes that you've made. I think you may want to reconsider the texture on the column where these pipes meet. It kind of looks like water pipes going into a computer to me. Definitley fix that pipe cut.... it's something that if you put it off you will just have to do it later anyways, might as well get it now while your map is still small and you can compile it a bunch of times. The whole area kind of has a maintenance or sewer feel to it, maybe you should add some grating in the floor, or put some water in it to add to that.
Also where the pipes are coming out of the walls you may want to put a flange in. To do that make another section of pipe that's about 3-4 units larger around than the pipe but only 6-8 units long. Then put that in between the pipe and the wall. Take a look at the pipes under the sink in your kitchen where they meet the wall to see what i'm talking about. They look a lot more realistic this way.