*mutters something about people always quoting things OUT OF CONTEXT*
So that makes me beating the norm then. Well, it helps when you've been in love with the person for 8 years. and CAN WE GET BACK ON-TOPIC.
Yes...condoms are good, because not everyone does have as much self-control. And what if the person was destroyed when they were younger? and they got an STD from the rapist? would it be wrong then for them to ask the partner to use a condom if they have no control over the fact they got the disease?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->would it be wrong then for them to ask the partner to use a condom if they have no control over the fact they got the disease? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nope, condoms are OK by me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Crisqo, maybe if you actually read people's posts you'd understand that Riley is my girlfriend (and when I get enough money/time/out of college my fiancee/wife)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ahhh, I see.
<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Oct 17 2003, 06:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Oct 17 2003, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Oct 17 2003, 01:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Oct 17 2003, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even christians like sex. Or they know(have heard) that it's really much fun. Now if you don't have sex before marriage you might end up in a relationship with bad sex. And t's a fact that a relationship without sex(or bad sex, samething), especially when the couple is young, is not going to last too long. Now either the couple tries out before getting married or they get divorced or they live in a relationship that is pure agony(big chunk of their love life is unusable) for them. Your pick. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> For crying out loud people - WHICH CHRISTIAN POSTER ON THIS BOARD has actually said sex is bad/wrong/evil? No one, not one freakin poster - so why do you continue to hammer home this idea that Christians think its evil?
Its a fact that young relationships - i.e. teenage relationships, last less than 4 weeks after a sexual experience, so much for sex the great "keeper together". You need maturity and a committed relationship for sex to actually help. If you dont have that then your relationship is doomed. So for people who are in a committed relationship but NOT married - well they are just doing the wrong thing, but they wont suffer an ill effects.
Pure agony? Sorry lad I'm not an animal, I can control myself. I'm a big boy now, I take responsiblity for my own actions - I choose what I do, and what I do not.
The "try before you buy theory" is rubbish. "Getting marriage experience" by mating with anything is also rubbish. Sex is like a sport - it gets better with practise, with the same person. Those who enjoy the greatest sex are those with a single partner, in a committed relationship who have practised together, and know just what to do to give the other partner the greatest satisfaction.
If someone finds that sex is a big chunk of their love life - then I would suggest that that person has issues.
EDIT ignore me ppl - Im in a bad mood today, so plz forgive my inane flaming, I wont post anymore for a while <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No but every Christian/Catholic poster has said premartial sex is wrong, and myself and others do not see difference between sex between married people and sex between non-married people. so yes, you and others are saying sex is wrong.
And if you refuse to accept the fact that people have different sexual preferences, styles, and compatabilities you are in the wrong.
I'm a big boy too, and I can say "I'm 19 but I have met this amazing women we both love each other so much, and I'm so sure this is the real thing that I think we can wait until we are in our late 20's to get together. If this is true love 10 years shouldn't change things".
If they are your soul mate then technically they should still be your soul mate when you are both 29.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No but every Christian/Catholic poster has said premartial sex is wrong, and myself and others do not see difference between sex between married people and sex between non-married people. so yes, you and others are saying sex is wrong.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well...The reason we believe this is because God said so. He said so because He wanted to protect us, which is all He does whenever He tells us to do something. Example: 10 commandments. If -- > everyone <-- followed them, we wouldn't have anything to worry about. We'd all be safe without a care in the world. Same goes for the sex before marriage thing. If everyone did that, we could pretty much wipe out STDs from the face of the planet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bad sex doesnt exist in my book Dread And even if you suffer bad sex, you could explain the thing to your partner and better it.
Love can handle all obstacles. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually no it can't. Tolstoy once wrote in his book Anna Karenina that "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in it's own way". What Tolstoy was saying is that for a marriage to work, a whole swag of things must succeed for this to happen: agreement over financial matters, sexual attraction, inlaws, religion politics ect. If one of those factors fails, then the marriage will generally fail. Hence why every unhappy family is differant: they all have a certain failing over which the marriage will fall apart.
Sexual problems are a big, big cause of marriage break downs. My mother was married to a man for 7 years until they got a divorce. The reason? Bad, or almost no sex. The marriage couldn't work with that, despite the marriage succeeding in almost all other areas. If you are so naive as to think that there is no such thing as "bad sex" then I would hasten to conclude that you either havn't had sex or that your sexual experiances have been extreamly limited. Bad sex exists, oh boy does it exist.
Now yes, bad sex can be worked around. But as has been said, if one partner has a high sex drive and the other a low one, there's going to be problems. You can't just say "Love will solve everything" because it doesn't. And waiting until you're married to find out if two people are sexually compatible is a really bad idea.
And at about this time, I believe it bears mentioning that some of the world's highest divorce rates can be found in the Bible Belt states of the United States. GG forcing everyone who kisses to get married.
I talked this stuff over with Riley, and wow...she has the same views as I do. Soul mates <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
[rant]
Let us not forget what got us into existence. Sex. Non-monagamous sex. Someone said it in the other sex thread. By nature we (men) aren't going to be monogamous but at the same time we want to be. Sex is not some holy covenant between two people. IT IS A NATURAL THING THAT ANIMALS DO! The only reason it feels good is that we are encouraged to do it as often as possible, to maximize the possbility of offspring. Sex didn't come around to make the bonds between a man and a woman complete, it came around so that our species could survive! Even if we are having it for pleasure, there is always that animal feeling of "spreading the seed". There is nothing holy about sex, other then the fact that some Christians are just afraid of it outside of teh covenant of marriage and thus think anything about it is wrong! [/rant]
I always find it strange how eagerly some modernists try to use beasts to make a point. Personally, I find it offensive and degrading to be compared with these inferior, soulless creatures. Their random, instinct-driven behaviour, devoid of morals, reason and higher purpose, is in my view deterring, not exemplary.
Don't get me wrong, some beasts are cute and furry, but looking at them for moral guidance is absurd.
Look at your arms. See that hair? That's the remains of fur. See those fingernails? the remains of claws (granted, evolution waayyyyy back).
Face the facts. Human beings are animals. You may say they are soulless, but to them we are intrusions.
or would you rather I use the Matrix definition of humanity and call us viruses? Because many of the virtues a virus has so do human beings.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Their random, instinct-driven behaviour, devoid of morals, reason and higher purpose<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you think we magically popped out of thin air, knowing how to survive in the world? Fight or flight? Hunger? Fear? Lonely? Human beings have so many instincts that we "believe" are of higher reasoning when they aren't. We might have the ability to overcome some of the instincts but that does not make us higher-up.
I'd much rather be a wolf then a human. They don't have to deal with people who think. They don't have to deal with a lot of the crap humans do, and you know what? That sounds like fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--Twex+Oct 18 2003, 02:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Twex @ Oct 18 2003, 02:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Their random, instinct-driven behaviour, devoid of morals, reason and higher purpose, is in my view deterring, not exemplary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You just described about 70% of humanity quite well.
Bet yes that is offtopic. I just wished to express my opinion that I would be calling you nasty names at this point if it weren't for the forum rules.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
Oh boy, Smokenova, you're soo wrong.
Humans are humans, granted they evolved from animals. But the ability to go against natural impulses is what makes the man. Moral, reason and purpose is what makes us.
Fingernails are leftovers from claws, but from fingernails which is used to climb trees.
//orginal topic is boring and already discussed.
Ryo-ohki, I'm saying love <b>can</b> overcome all obstacles, not without efforts of course. I pity your pessimistic and extremely psychical view on it.
If you just can't resist it, and don't want to harm anyone, just masturbate, I mean really... nobody said you HAVE to go around having sex with random people. Now in today's world there are less and less marriages, so you'd think people would be more responsible. The bottom line is, if you just can't control yourself masturbate. Your doing more good than bad that way.
i just got one thing to say. God's had more than one purpose for sex, it wasnt just for procreation. It was for pleasure WITHIN the confines of marriage. Theres nothing wrong with abstaining its the people of todays world. Advertising agencies put sex in everything, movies have sex in alot of them, Tv has sex left and right. Its everywhere, if you get offended by the following then its not my problem, The only people who cant obstain are atheists which i have no problem with their sexual activity but christians who do it are weakminded individuals if you believe in something so grand as eternal life, and the guy who created a place for you up there, why is it so hard to wait on something when the time it actually is compares hardly to eternity
<!--QuoteBegin--sen^FallenAngel+Oct 18 2003, 07:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sen^FallenAngel @ Oct 18 2003, 07:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i just got one thing to say. God's had more than one purpose for sex, it wasnt just for procreation. It was for pleasure WITHIN the confines of marriage. Theres nothing wrong with abstaining its the people of todays world. Advertising agencies put sex in everything, movies have sex in alot of them, Tv has sex left and right. Its everywhere, if you get offended by the following then its not my problem, The only people who cant obstain are atheists which i have no problem with their sexual activity but christians who do it are weakminded individuals if you believe in something so grand as eternal life, and the guy who created a place for you up there, why is it so hard to wait on something when the time it actually is compares hardly to eternity <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not religious at all, but I totally agree
<!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Oct 18 2003, 01:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Oct 18 2003, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And at about this time, I believe it bears mentioning that some of the world's highest divorce rates can be found in the Bible Belt states of the United States. GG forcing everyone who kisses to get married. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There's no way that you can be so naive to insinuate that the main reason that couples get divorced is that they are part of the "Bible Belt" states and their relationship degenerates solely because of their sex lives.
Perhaps the <i>real</i> reason divorce rates are so high is that these love-sick, blind, disillusioned couples rush into things WAY too quickly before they actually know enough about each other to make a commitment they're comfortable with. Then they decide to get married on a whim with their rose colored glasses on, and realize that they're horribly incompatible when they start being real with each other, and here's the kicker... they don't even make the effort to make the relationship work!, which of course could have been avoided if they hadn't of rushed into the whole thing in the first place...
<!--QuoteBegin--Torgo+Oct 18 2003, 04:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Torgo @ Oct 18 2003, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Oct 18 2003, 01:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Oct 18 2003, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And at about this time, I believe it bears mentioning that some of the world's highest divorce rates can be found in the Bible Belt states of the United States. GG forcing everyone who kisses to get married. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There's no way that you can be so naive to insinuate that the main reason that couples get divorced is that they are part of the "Bible Belt" states and their relationship degenerates solely because of their sex lives.
Perhaps the <i>real</i> reason divorce rates are so high is that these love-sick, blind, disillusioned couples rush into things WAY too quickly before they actually know enough about each other to make a commitment they're comfortable with. Then they decide to get married on a whim with their rose colored glasses on, and realize that they're horribly incompatible when they start being real with each other, and here's the kicker... they don't even make the effort to make the relationship work!, which of course could have been avoided if they hadn't of rushed into the whole thing in the first place... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure , let's wait for a few more years to have sex... lovers have the whole life before them , so why not wait before they're 30 to get married.
GG to you if you can keep a girlfriend for 10 years , remaining a virgin.
<!--QuoteBegin--Torgo+Oct 18 2003, 09:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Torgo @ Oct 18 2003, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Oct 18 2003, 01:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Oct 18 2003, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And at about this time, I believe it bears mentioning that some of the world's highest divorce rates can be found in the Bible Belt states of the United States. GG forcing everyone who kisses to get married. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There's no way that you can be so naive to insinuate that the main reason that couples get divorced is that they are part of the "Bible Belt" states and their relationship degenerates solely because of their sex lives.
Perhaps the <i>real</i> reason divorce rates are so high is that these love-sick, blind, disillusioned couples rush into things WAY too quickly before they actually know enough about each other to make a commitment they're comfortable with. Then they decide to get married on a whim with their rose colored glasses on, and realize that they're horribly incompatible when they start being real with each other, and here's the kicker... they don't even make the effort to make the relationship work!, which of course could have been avoided if they hadn't of rushed into the whole thing in the first place... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The thing is, what urges these people to rush into marriage ? Perhaps part of it is because they want sex and to do that they "need" to get married for it be morally correct as Yahweh dictates.
Thus it makes sense that the "bible belts" would see a high rate of divorce.
Better to be holy than happy right <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ?
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
edited October 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Oct 18 2003, 12:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Oct 18 2003, 12:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No but every Christian/Catholic poster has said premartial sex is wrong, and myself and others do not see difference between sex between married people and sex between non-married people. so yes, you and others are saying sex is wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> this is SO AGGRAVATING!!!
i'm a christian, in fact i'm a roman catholic, and the pope can go have sex with a food processor if he thinks he's gonna stop my premarital sexing..
why do people always ignore my posts?!?!
<!--QuoteBegin--ZIG+ AN ANGRY TIME WHEN NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZIG @ AN ANGRY TIME WHEN NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->why is there so much to talk about?
church say sex bad.
instincts say make big big sex, sex feel good.
badabing, badaboom. go towel off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
Wow, you posted something funny (unintentionally)
Tell me, how do you respond to this? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->why is there so much to talk about?
church say sex bad.
instincts say make big big sex, sex feel good.
badabing, badaboom. go towel off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Oct 18 2003, 02:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Oct 18 2003, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Oct 18 2003, 12:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Oct 18 2003, 12:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No but every Christian/Catholic poster has said premartial sex is wrong, and myself and others do not see difference between sex between married people and sex between non-married people. so yes, you and others are saying sex is wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> this is SO AGGRAVATING!!!
i'm a christian, in fact i'm a roman catholic, and the pope can go have sex with a food processor if he thinks he's gonna stop my premarital sexing..
why do people always ignore my posts?!?!
<!--QuoteBegin--ZIG+ AN ANGRY TIME WHEN NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZIG @ AN ANGRY TIME WHEN NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->why is there so much to talk about?
church say sex bad.
instincts say make big big sex, sex feel good.
badabing, badaboom. go towel off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I'm not going to ingore it, and I do know how to answer that.
The pope shouldnt be the one stopping your premarital "sexing" as you call it - your own belief's should. If you continue your premarital mating, and yet still profess to be a Christian, then I guess the best I can do is walk away shaking my head and laughing.
<!--QuoteBegin--FilthyLarry+Oct 18 2003, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FilthyLarry @ Oct 18 2003, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Torgo+Oct 18 2003, 09:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Torgo @ Oct 18 2003, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Oct 18 2003, 01:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Oct 18 2003, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And at about this time, I believe it bears mentioning that some of the world's highest divorce rates can be found in the Bible Belt states of the United States. GG forcing everyone who kisses to get married. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There's no way that you can be so naive to insinuate that the main reason that couples get divorced is that they are part of the "Bible Belt" states and their relationship degenerates solely because of their sex lives.
Perhaps the <i>real</i> reason divorce rates are so high is that these love-sick, blind, disillusioned couples rush into things WAY too quickly before they actually know enough about each other to make a commitment they're comfortable with. Then they decide to get married on a whim with their rose colored glasses on, and realize that they're horribly incompatible when they start being real with each other, and here's the kicker... they don't even make the effort to make the relationship work!, which of course could have been avoided if they hadn't of rushed into the whole thing in the first place... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The thing is, what urges these people to rush into marriage ? Perhaps part of it is because they want sex and to do that they "need" to get married for it be morally correct as Yahweh dictates.
Thus it makes sense that the "bible belts" would see a high rate of divorce.
Better to be holy than happy right <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There have been a few wild jump and leaps of logic here. The first of which is that all those people divorced in the Bible belt were Christians, PRACTISING Christians. The second is that all those people HADNT had sex before marriage. The third is that they all broke down because of sexually related matters. Sure that wasnt all said, but that was what was implied.
Are we forgetting that statistically - living together before you get married actually DECREASES your chances of maintaining your marriage over a long period of time?
If you chose to get married just so you can have sex - then you are a fool. And fools are really hard to deal with. I dont think its fair to assume that they are all that stupid, or even that most of them are.
Well, if we're going to have a discussion on actual stats. then we're both going to have to dig around for sources, otherwise it's just plonking around.
Coming up with meaningful stats would probably be quite a challenge.
The point I made was social pressures (like religion) influence the probability that any two people will get married. Thus it is possible that people may marry somewhat earlier than the ideal because of said pressures. Do you disagree ?
Your last comment seemed borderline flame-material. Did I say that the only reason they got married was for the sex ? -> no. Merely that it could play a role which comes back to the whole social acceptance thing.
You do believe that being holy is better than happy don't you ? Yes or no ?
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Oct 18 2003, 10:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Oct 18 2003, 10:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, I'm not going to ingore it, and I do know how to answer that.
The pope shouldnt be the one stopping your premarital "sexing" as you call it - your own belief's should. If you continue your premarital mating, and yet still profess to be a Christian, then I guess the best I can do is walk away shaking my head and laughing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well there's always confession for when i get out of the perpetually horny stage of my life..
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you continue your premarital mating, and yet still profess to be a Christian, then I guess the best I can do is walk away shaking my head and laughing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok Mr High and Righteous, answer me this: have you ever masterbated? Simple question. To put us on an even playing field, I'll give my answer to the question. Hell yes I do.
Now if you answer yes to the above question, perhaps you could realise just how hypocritical you're being.
Now to the topic at hand once more, can someone actually provide me with the Bible verse that says that premarital sex is wrong. Because I can't find it. Probably because I have no idea what the keyword search would be <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Mr Righteous has been humbled <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I personally have, being a normal male, and felt as guilty as hell about it. I then, about 2 years ago, had a serious pornography addiction. I took me months to shake it, and since then I have been terrified of my own failings. I refuse to let anyone download porn onto my computer, and I cant even watch movies like American Pie without having to leave the room. Recently some of my house mates downloaded porn onto my computer, and I was furious.
That was one of the reasons I never actually personally chose to become a Christian. I was stuck in my own failings, and while everyone else said "But you are a Christian, you dont swear etc" I knew the truth, and would never claim that I was.
I take the above attitude because people who knowingly do the wrong thing, in full view of what they claim are there "beliefs", and then continue to claim they are Christians infuriate me. You can say "I know I'm doing the wrong thing and I'm doing my best to change" then thats fine, we are all human. But if you say "I'm doing the wrong thing and I'm loving it and I'm not changing" - then you are doing the wrong thing.
Zig is claiming to be a Christian, or Roman Catholic at least. And he claims that he is both that and having premarital sex and loving it. I call him a hypocrite. Have I never sinned? No. But you wont catch me claiming to be one whilst flagrantly ignoring core parts of it.
LoL confession will save you eh? I wish it was that easy for me - a lovely get out of sin free card, just hop in a box and tell a priest and whoosh, all your sins are gone. You cant ask for forgiveness unless you are truely sorry. Given your current attitude, I seriously doubt that you are sorry - or ever will be.
As for that Bible verse, you'll prolly have to ask Twex or Sirius or Legion. Have a look at Deuteronomy 22:13-30 for most of the "sex before marriage" business though.
<!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Oct 19 2003, 01:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Oct 19 2003, 01:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Of course, you don't have to be a Christian to see your failings and want to change it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No of course - everyone has morals. But when you try and subscribe to a certain belief that has its own code of morals for you, and you flagrantly ignore one and say you are not sorry or even guilty but are still a member, then you are a hypocrite of the highest order.
Nova what happened with the name man? First you were nova, then you were communist, now your nova again lol can you change your own name?
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LoL confession will save you eh? I wish it was that easy for me - a lovely get out of sin free card, just hop in a box and tell a priest and whoosh, all your sins are gone. You cant ask for forgiveness unless you are truely sorry. Given your current attitude, I seriously doubt that you are sorry - or ever will be.
As for that Bible verse, you'll prolly have to ask Twex or Sirius or Legion. Have a look at Deuteronomy 22:13-30 for most of the "sex before marriage" business though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well... i'm engaging in sexual relations but not having intercourse. fancy little loophole. the attitude is INTERCOURSE=BAD W/O MARRIAGE, is it not?
and if you still regard <i>that</i> as a sin, then hey, why shouldn't i confess? maybe in the future, for some reason, i'll be sorry for the love i shared...? 0_o
but let me ask you THIS:
are you not a christian if you uphold <i>most</i> of the ideals but not all? do you go straight from christian to hypocrite? or [chuckle].. a blasphemer?
*Marine, no you can't change your own name, but PM one of the Forum Admins (Nemesis Zero & Marik_Steele are the ones i talked to for this) and they can*
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So that makes me beating the norm then. Well, it helps when you've been in love with the person for 8 years. and CAN WE GET BACK ON-TOPIC.
Yes...condoms are good, because not everyone does have as much self-control. And what if the person was destroyed when they were younger? and they got an STD from the rapist? would it be wrong then for them to ask the partner to use a condom if they have no control over the fact they got the disease?
Nope, condoms are OK by me.
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Ahhh, I see.
For crying out loud people - WHICH CHRISTIAN POSTER ON THIS BOARD has actually said sex is bad/wrong/evil? No one, not one freakin poster - so why do you continue to hammer home this idea that Christians think its evil?
Its a fact that young relationships - i.e. teenage relationships, last less than 4 weeks after a sexual experience, so much for sex the great "keeper together". You need maturity and a committed relationship for sex to actually help. If you dont have that then your relationship is doomed. So for people who are in a committed relationship but NOT married - well they are just doing the wrong thing, but they wont suffer an ill effects.
Pure agony? Sorry lad I'm not an animal, I can control myself. I'm a big boy now, I take responsiblity for my own actions - I choose what I do, and what I do not.
The "try before you buy theory" is rubbish. "Getting marriage experience" by mating with anything is also rubbish. Sex is like a sport - it gets better with practise, with the same person. Those who enjoy the greatest sex are those with a single partner, in a committed relationship who have practised together, and know just what to do to give the other partner the greatest satisfaction.
If someone finds that sex is a big chunk of their love life - then I would suggest that that person has issues.
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No but every Christian/Catholic poster has said premartial sex is wrong, and myself and others do not see difference between sex between married people and sex between non-married people. so yes, you and others are saying sex is wrong.
And if you refuse to accept the fact that people have different sexual preferences, styles, and compatabilities you are in the wrong.
I'm a big boy too, and I can say "I'm 19 but I have met this amazing women we both love each other so much, and I'm so sure this is the real thing that I think we can wait until we are in our late 20's to get together. If this is true love 10 years shouldn't change things".
If they are your soul mate then technically they should still be your soul mate when you are both 29.
Well...The reason we believe this is because God said so. He said so because He wanted to protect us, which is all He does whenever He tells us to do something. Example: 10 commandments.
If -- > everyone <-- followed them, we wouldn't have anything to worry about. We'd all be safe without a care in the world. Same goes for the sex before marriage thing. If everyone did that, we could pretty much wipe out STDs from the face of the planet.
Love can handle all obstacles.
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Actually no it can't. Tolstoy once wrote in his book Anna Karenina that "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in it's own way". What Tolstoy was saying is that for a marriage to work, a whole swag of things must succeed for this to happen: agreement over financial matters, sexual attraction, inlaws, religion politics ect. If one of those factors fails, then the marriage will generally fail. Hence why every unhappy family is differant: they all have a certain failing over which the marriage will fall apart.
Sexual problems are a big, big cause of marriage break downs. My mother was married to a man for 7 years until they got a divorce. The reason? Bad, or almost no sex. The marriage couldn't work with that, despite the marriage succeeding in almost all other areas. If you are so naive as to think that there is no such thing as "bad sex" then I would hasten to conclude that you either havn't had sex or that your sexual experiances have been extreamly limited. Bad sex exists, oh boy does it exist.
Now yes, bad sex can be worked around. But as has been said, if one partner has a high sex drive and the other a low one, there's going to be problems. You can't just say "Love will solve everything" because it doesn't. And waiting until you're married to find out if two people are sexually compatible is a really bad idea.
And at about this time, I believe it bears mentioning that some of the world's highest divorce rates can be found in the Bible Belt states of the United States. GG forcing everyone who kisses to get married.
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Let us not forget what got us into existence. Sex. Non-monagamous sex. Someone said it in the other sex thread. By nature we (men) aren't going to be monogamous but at the same time we want to be. Sex is not some holy covenant between two people. IT IS A NATURAL THING THAT ANIMALS DO! The only reason it feels good is that we are encouraged to do it as often as possible, to maximize the possbility of offspring. Sex didn't come around to make the bonds between a man and a woman complete, it came around so that our species could survive! Even if we are having it for pleasure, there is always that animal feeling of "spreading the seed". There is nothing holy about sex, other then the fact that some Christians are just afraid of it outside of teh covenant of marriage and thus think anything about it is wrong!
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Don't get me wrong, some beasts are cute and furry, but looking at them for moral guidance is absurd.
Face the facts. Human beings are animals. You may say they are soulless, but to them we are intrusions.
or would you rather I use the Matrix definition of humanity and call us viruses? Because many of the virtues a virus has so do human beings.
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Do you think we magically popped out of thin air, knowing how to survive in the world? Fight or flight? Hunger? Fear? Lonely? Human beings have so many instincts that we "believe" are of higher reasoning when they aren't. We might have the ability to overcome some of the instincts but that does not make us higher-up.
I'd much rather be a wolf then a human. They don't have to deal with people who think. They don't have to deal with a lot of the crap humans do, and you know what? That sounds like fun.
now get back on topic.
You just described about 70% of humanity quite well.
Bet yes that is offtopic. I just wished to express my opinion that I would be calling you nasty names at this point if it weren't for the forum rules.
Humans are humans, granted they evolved from animals. But the ability to go against natural impulses is what makes the man. Moral, reason and purpose is what makes us.
Fingernails are leftovers from claws, but from fingernails which is used to climb trees.
//orginal topic is boring and already discussed.
Ryo-ohki, I'm saying love <b>can</b> overcome all obstacles, not without efforts of course. I pity your pessimistic and extremely psychical view on it.
God's had more than one purpose for sex, it wasnt just for procreation.
It was for pleasure WITHIN the confines of marriage.
Theres nothing wrong with abstaining its the people of todays world.
Advertising agencies put sex in everything, movies have sex in alot of them, Tv has sex left and right.
Its everywhere, if you get offended by the following then its not my problem, The only people who cant obstain are atheists which i have no problem with their sexual activity but christians who do it are weakminded individuals if you believe in something so grand as eternal life, and the guy who created a place for you up there, why is it so hard to wait on something when the time it actually is compares hardly to eternity
God's had more than one purpose for sex, it wasnt just for procreation.
It was for pleasure WITHIN the confines of marriage.
Theres nothing wrong with abstaining its the people of todays world.
Advertising agencies put sex in everything, movies have sex in alot of them, Tv has sex left and right.
Its everywhere, if you get offended by the following then its not my problem, The only people who cant obstain are atheists which i have no problem with their sexual activity but christians who do it are weakminded individuals if you believe in something so grand as eternal life, and the guy who created a place for you up there, why is it so hard to wait on something when the time it actually is compares hardly to eternity <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not religious at all, but I totally agree
There's no way that you can be so naive to insinuate that the main reason that couples get divorced is that they are part of the "Bible Belt" states and their relationship degenerates solely because of their sex lives.
Perhaps the <i>real</i> reason divorce rates are so high is that these love-sick, blind, disillusioned couples rush into things WAY too quickly before they actually know enough about each other to make a commitment they're comfortable with. Then they decide to get married on a whim with their rose colored glasses on, and realize that they're horribly incompatible when they start being real with each other, and here's the kicker... they don't even make the effort to make the relationship work!, which of course could have been avoided if they hadn't of rushed into the whole thing in the first place...
There's no way that you can be so naive to insinuate that the main reason that couples get divorced is that they are part of the "Bible Belt" states and their relationship degenerates solely because of their sex lives.
Perhaps the <i>real</i> reason divorce rates are so high is that these love-sick, blind, disillusioned couples rush into things WAY too quickly before they actually know enough about each other to make a commitment they're comfortable with. Then they decide to get married on a whim with their rose colored glasses on, and realize that they're horribly incompatible when they start being real with each other, and here's the kicker... they don't even make the effort to make the relationship work!, which of course could have been avoided if they hadn't of rushed into the whole thing in the first place... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure , let's wait for a few more years to have sex... lovers have the whole life before them , so why not wait before they're 30 to get married.
GG to you if you can keep a girlfriend for 10 years , remaining a virgin.
There's no way that you can be so naive to insinuate that the main reason that couples get divorced is that they are part of the "Bible Belt" states and their relationship degenerates solely because of their sex lives.
Perhaps the <i>real</i> reason divorce rates are so high is that these love-sick, blind, disillusioned couples rush into things WAY too quickly before they actually know enough about each other to make a commitment they're comfortable with. Then they decide to get married on a whim with their rose colored glasses on, and realize that they're horribly incompatible when they start being real with each other, and here's the kicker... they don't even make the effort to make the relationship work!, which of course could have been avoided if they hadn't of rushed into the whole thing in the first place... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The thing is, what urges these people to rush into marriage ? Perhaps part of it is because they want sex and to do that they "need" to get married for it be morally correct as Yahweh dictates.
Thus it makes sense that the "bible belts" would see a high rate of divorce.
Better to be holy than happy right <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ?
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this is SO AGGRAVATING!!!
i'm a christian, in fact i'm a roman catholic, and the pope can go have sex with a food processor if he thinks he's gonna stop my premarital sexing..
why do people always ignore my posts?!?!
<!--QuoteBegin--ZIG+ AN ANGRY TIME WHEN NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZIG @ AN ANGRY TIME WHEN NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->why is there so much to talk about?
church say sex bad.
instincts say make big big sex, sex feel good.
badabing, badaboom. go towel off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tell me, how do you respond to this? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->why is there so much to talk about?
church say sex bad.
instincts say make big big sex, sex feel good.
badabing, badaboom. go towel off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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this is SO AGGRAVATING!!!
i'm a christian, in fact i'm a roman catholic, and the pope can go have sex with a food processor if he thinks he's gonna stop my premarital sexing..
why do people always ignore my posts?!?!
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church say sex bad.
instincts say make big big sex, sex feel good.
badabing, badaboom. go towel off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I'm not going to ingore it, and I do know how to answer that.
The pope shouldnt be the one stopping your premarital "sexing" as you call it - your own belief's should. If you continue your premarital mating, and yet still profess to be a Christian, then I guess the best I can do is walk away shaking my head and laughing.
There's no way that you can be so naive to insinuate that the main reason that couples get divorced is that they are part of the "Bible Belt" states and their relationship degenerates solely because of their sex lives.
Perhaps the <i>real</i> reason divorce rates are so high is that these love-sick, blind, disillusioned couples rush into things WAY too quickly before they actually know enough about each other to make a commitment they're comfortable with. Then they decide to get married on a whim with their rose colored glasses on, and realize that they're horribly incompatible when they start being real with each other, and here's the kicker... they don't even make the effort to make the relationship work!, which of course could have been avoided if they hadn't of rushed into the whole thing in the first place... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The thing is, what urges these people to rush into marriage ? Perhaps part of it is because they want sex and to do that they "need" to get married for it be morally correct as Yahweh dictates.
Thus it makes sense that the "bible belts" would see a high rate of divorce.
Better to be holy than happy right <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There have been a few wild jump and leaps of logic here. The first of which is that all those people divorced in the Bible belt were Christians, PRACTISING Christians. The second is that all those people HADNT had sex before marriage. The third is that they all broke down because of sexually related matters. Sure that wasnt all said, but that was what was implied.
Are we forgetting that statistically - living together before you get married actually DECREASES your chances of maintaining your marriage over a long period of time?
If you chose to get married just so you can have sex - then you are a fool. And fools are really hard to deal with. I dont think its fair to assume that they are all that stupid, or even that most of them are.
Coming up with meaningful stats would probably be quite a challenge.
The point I made was social pressures (like religion) influence the probability that any two people will get married. Thus it is possible that people may marry somewhat earlier than the ideal because of said pressures. Do you disagree ?
Your last comment seemed borderline flame-material. Did I say that the only reason they got married was for the sex ? -> no. Merely that it could play a role which comes back to the whole social acceptance thing.
You do believe that being holy is better than happy don't you ? Yes or no ?
Well, I'm not going to ingore it, and I do know how to answer that.
The pope shouldnt be the one stopping your premarital "sexing" as you call it - your own belief's should. If you continue your premarital mating, and yet still profess to be a Christian, then I guess the best I can do is walk away shaking my head and laughing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well there's always confession for when i get out of the perpetually horny stage of my life..
***OHHH... PWNED...***
Ok Mr High and Righteous, answer me this: have you ever masterbated? Simple question. To put us on an even playing field, I'll give my answer to the question. Hell yes I do.
Now if you answer yes to the above question, perhaps you could realise just how hypocritical you're being.
Now to the topic at hand once more, can someone actually provide me with the Bible verse that says that premarital sex is wrong. Because I can't find it. Probably because I have no idea what the keyword search would be <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I personally have, being a normal male, and felt as guilty as hell about it. I then, about 2 years ago, had a serious pornography addiction. I took me months to shake it, and since then I have been terrified of my own failings. I refuse to let anyone download porn onto my computer, and I cant even watch movies like American Pie without having to leave the room. Recently some of my house mates downloaded porn onto my computer, and I was furious.
That was one of the reasons I never actually personally chose to become a Christian. I was stuck in my own failings, and while everyone else said "But you are a Christian, you dont swear etc" I knew the truth, and would never claim that I was.
I take the above attitude because people who knowingly do the wrong thing, in full view of what they claim are there "beliefs", and then continue to claim they are Christians infuriate me. You can say "I know I'm doing the wrong thing and I'm doing my best to change" then thats fine, we are all human. But if you say "I'm doing the wrong thing and I'm loving it and I'm not changing" - then you are doing the wrong thing.
Zig is claiming to be a Christian, or Roman Catholic at least. And he claims that he is both that and having premarital sex and loving it. I call him a hypocrite. Have I never sinned? No. But you wont catch me claiming to be one whilst flagrantly ignoring core parts of it.
LoL confession will save you eh? I wish it was that easy for me - a lovely get out of sin free card, just hop in a box and tell a priest and whoosh, all your sins are gone. You cant ask for forgiveness unless you are truely sorry. Given your current attitude, I seriously doubt that you are sorry - or ever will be.
As for that Bible verse, you'll prolly have to ask Twex or Sirius or Legion. Have a look at Deuteronomy 22:13-30 for most of the "sex before marriage" business though.
No of course - everyone has morals. But when you try and subscribe to a certain belief that has its own code of morals for you, and you flagrantly ignore one and say you are not sorry or even guilty but are still a member, then you are a hypocrite of the highest order.
Nova what happened with the name man? First you were nova, then you were communist, now your nova again lol can you change your own name?
LoL confession will save you eh? I wish it was that easy for me - a lovely get out of sin free card, just hop in a box and tell a priest and whoosh, all your sins are gone. You cant ask for forgiveness unless you are truely sorry. Given your current attitude, I seriously doubt that you are sorry - or ever will be.
As for that Bible verse, you'll prolly have to ask Twex or Sirius or Legion. Have a look at Deuteronomy 22:13-30 for most of the "sex before marriage" business though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well... i'm engaging in sexual relations but not having intercourse. fancy little loophole. the attitude is INTERCOURSE=BAD W/O MARRIAGE, is it not?
and if you still regard <i>that</i> as a sin, then hey, why shouldn't i confess? maybe in the future, for some reason, i'll be sorry for the love i shared...? 0_o
but let me ask you THIS:
are you not a christian if you uphold <i>most</i> of the ideals but not all? do you go straight from christian to hypocrite? or [chuckle].. a blasphemer?
are you, by chance, <i>puritan</i>? lololololol.
^Can't think of anything worthwhile to add^