Flayra
X_Stickman
Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">What does he actually *do*?</div> I know there's some people coming in here expecting me to be going on about how Flayra sits on his **** and does nothing. No, that's not what i meant. Flayra created NS. He is, by my definition, God (he gives entertainment freely, and he just PWNS generally).
But every time i see a thread based on balance, new coding ideas, more suggestions etc, i always see "Flayra can do that easy.", "Flayra didn't want that", "Flayra spent ages coding that, and you insult it?" and, my favourite, "Flayra spent ages playtesting and balancing this game!".
Now, as i said, if it wasn't for Flayra, NS wouldn't exist. For that, he deserves a medal. BUT! he isn't the only person on the NS team. The way some people go on and on, it is as if he modelled everything, programmed everything, came up with every idea and playtested the whole damn game himself.
From reading the team page on the site, it looks to me as if Flayra is the only actually "Programmer" on the team. I might be wrong, though (i've been wrong about a lot of things today).
Anyway, my basic message is this:
Flayra is a great guy, he brought NS to life. But he isn't the *only* person on the team. It takes a good team of dedicated and talented guys to make a mod (hell, this isn't a mod, this could be a stand alone game) this good. So give credit where credit is due, and instead of saying "Flayra" for EVERYTHING related to NS, just say "The Devs".
-X_Stickman, respecting Flayra, but fighting for recognition of the rest of the team. After all, teamwork is what NS is all about.
But every time i see a thread based on balance, new coding ideas, more suggestions etc, i always see "Flayra can do that easy.", "Flayra didn't want that", "Flayra spent ages coding that, and you insult it?" and, my favourite, "Flayra spent ages playtesting and balancing this game!".
Now, as i said, if it wasn't for Flayra, NS wouldn't exist. For that, he deserves a medal. BUT! he isn't the only person on the NS team. The way some people go on and on, it is as if he modelled everything, programmed everything, came up with every idea and playtested the whole damn game himself.
From reading the team page on the site, it looks to me as if Flayra is the only actually "Programmer" on the team. I might be wrong, though (i've been wrong about a lot of things today).
Anyway, my basic message is this:
Flayra is a great guy, he brought NS to life. But he isn't the *only* person on the team. It takes a good team of dedicated and talented guys to make a mod (hell, this isn't a mod, this could be a stand alone game) this good. So give credit where credit is due, and instead of saying "Flayra" for EVERYTHING related to NS, just say "The Devs".
-X_Stickman, respecting Flayra, but fighting for recognition of the rest of the team. After all, teamwork is what NS is all about.
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Don't forget the pts and vets omg!!
and yes, there are a ton more, in sound, textures, maps, etc etc etc.
flayra coded ns 1.0 himself... and i mean 100% by himself.... the secondary coders did not come into the team until 1.0 was released, because he couldn't keep up with all the bug fixes..
so flayra coded 1.0, and has remained coding the game... he listens, just not not to 100% of the stuff
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My post was made simply to tell people that, although Flayra is obviously a very talented guy, he did <b>not</b> make all of NS himself. And i would class PTs + Vets as "Devs", because i class anyone who helps "Develop" the game as a "dev".
3 holysome, the father, the son and the holy spirit is just replaced with Max, chromeangel and so on.. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
My post was made simply to tell people that, although Flayra is obviously a very talented guy, he did <b>not</b> make all of NS himself. And i would class PTs + Vets as "Devs", because i class anyone who helps "Develop" the game as a "dev".<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, do you think people making those suggestions actually have original ideas? Don't you think that Flay has thought about every single possible change/adjustment/improvement he could possibly make to a game he's been working on for what, 4 years now? If you actually believe that some 12-year-old who's been playing the game for a month can come up with an idea Flay never thought of, you've been smoking the wacky-tabacky a little too much.
They don't. They never will. You don't seem to understand that in fact, Flayra did make NS1.0 100%. The ideas, the gameplay, the coding, everything except artwork was Flayra. Everything. For NS2.0, Max was added as a coder, and has done some great work with the player collisions/stuck issues, the minimap, the spectator UI, and other things.
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Flayra is the head honcho so to speak, he is the leader, and that leads to issues with noobs/idiots thinking Flayra made the game by himself.
The maps were done by others, but he actually did the mod coding himself. That's <i>why</i> he's the head honcho, and why it's considered 'Flayra's game' even after other code contributions. It's extremely hard to get the foundation going. And after it was, he didn't go sit back and relax... he's still coding with it on the newest release.
NS is Flay's baby, he fulyl coded 1.0 (exept the installer, and we balame all said bugs in that on MonsE <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Flay does (or atleast did) have a large hand in everything done for NS, he was the one who aproved maps originaly (and provided basic guidlines that he wanted), He was incharge of the PTing, however now... some one lese is, and I forgotwhoitwaspleasedon'thurtme
I also know that he ussed to be involved in the boards much more then he is now (reading the S&I posts etc), I know this cuss my first post was answered by him <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (that was what hooked me on the game, I had created a list of Qs that were not clearly stated anywhere before release and he answered them. In my mind and game that has the head programer/dev answering Qs has gots ta be good <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
So, as you can see, very rarly can we say xxxx did that, exept for a lot of cases where we actualy do know Flay was the one who did sometihng <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And as far as I know, Im credited with 2 changes and created the thread that someone else got a change in <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> But then again, since Flayra is all knowing, he probably thought of them first <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Well actually, no I don't think Flayra has thought of every possible change/adjustment/improvement that could possibly be made. If you want any proof of that whatsoever, ask yourself why we have a S&I forum. That alone shows that Flayra does want to hear from the community. 10,000 heads are better than one <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> People who play the game are going to have ideas, and although many of them may very well have been already thought up by Flayra, many also are going to be new ideas. If you actually believe that one lone man, no matter how excellent a programmer he is, can have thought up <i>every possible change for NS</i>, then you've been smoking that wacky-tabacky as well.
And he and the rest of the NS Dev Team did an awsome job.
hes a programmer...replace cigar with a big (somehow) scary mug of coffee <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
This is accurate (especially the part about me doing great work).
Max
I'd like to see any one of you write 18,000 lines of code. Thats around....300 pages, I believe?
also, he does take ideas from the SI forum. I (to the best of my knowledge) was the first one that suggested giving gorges structure destroying power, and then the next build they got bilebomb! yay me!
even if he doesn't browse the SI himself, he has his goons, lackeys and biotches trolling the forums for him. that's guys like Coil, MonsE, NemisisZero, Talesin, Marik Steele, among others
That would be a great deal of comments.
Start them off like this
// This doesn't do any coding work.
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