I know i have nothing to do with it, but i just watched those demos, the avi's are on download now, but if you notice that each time he magically aims through a wall at something, you can hear a distinct and clear sound from that direction, almost immediately followed by a movement. From what i can see, he doesnt hack, every supposed skulk that he "tracked with his crosshair through a wall" could be heard quite clearly beforehand.
Hey crit, how about some proof he DOESN'T cheat? Or does yumosis never take screenies or demos?
And about your MT claim, I have another demo from the start of the round, 45 res never went down at once which would be a clear indicator that MT was being researched. GFG.
<!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Oct 30 2003, 05:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Oct 30 2003, 05:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I know i have nothing to do with it, but i just watched those demos, the avi's are on download now, but if you notice that each time he magically aims through a wall at something, you can hear a distinct and clear sound from that direction, almost immediately followed by a movement. From what i can see, he doesnt hack, every supposed skulk that he "tracked with his crosshair through a wall" could be heard quite clearly beforehand.
Just my 2p, at least. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks esuna.
These guys seem to think its perfectly acceptable for them to accuse him of hacking.
It is just as acceptable for us to accuse him of being a good player.
<!--QuoteBegin--[SiD]Squishy+Oct 30 2003, 05:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([SiD]Squishy @ Oct 30 2003, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You say you had mt. And yet alot of ppl say you didn't. This is kind of confusing I would think it would be easy to figure out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've been told by the guys that played that they had MT.
I'm more likely to believe them than a bunch of forum lamers. You guys can choose to believe what you want. The fact is everything you have is proproganda.
We aren't leaving CAL We aren't leaving NS
We aren't going away. cri has faced many other problems before. cristian got accused of hacking (and now pretty much everybody involved has conceded he wasn't hacking).
The same thing is going to happen to mosis. Time will heal all the wounds and make everything right again.
HAMBoneProbably the best CommanderJoin Date: 2003-04-02Member: 15139Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
edited October 2003
I think he does hack, but I think that this will probably be a big enough shock for him to stop, he seems like a nice enough guy, just about every one of us has used some sort of cheat at least for a short time at one point in our life, so i'm willing to forgive and forget, people make mistakes, but he has to stop.
What it really comes down to is NS is already short on clans and I'd hate to see one of the better ones die over one guys mistake, so I think CAL should declare the evidence non-conclusive and drop the matter, while keeping an eye on him and making sure hes recording personal demos every game.
EDIT: By the way critical, cal rules state that fps demos should be recorded by every player, every match. If you really want to defend him to the point where people actually believe you, I think posting some of his FPS demos from previous CAL matches would go a long way towards proving your point. I'm totally willing to believe you but with the current evidence we have its very hard to.
I can get 120 kills in DOD in 30 min rounds with about 80 meaning in only spend about 15 min alive. I know it is absolutly possible TO NEVER EVER MISS.
I've watched doggeh(cri.stal) play cs live sitting behind him in his house and HE NEVER EVER MISSES.
1. Every one checks vetns. 2. com told him gorge in vents
so who gives a **** about that.
I have watched that demo and can give a rats **** on how he aims, but the fact he knew exactly where every skulk was and was able to trace aim them when there not even in view (i.e. skulk running up ramp was not in view, nor was sub junction skulk on wall.) Things like that are what make me suspicious of wall hacking
Theres a huge freaking difference than a god like aim, and god like speen at aiming, then there is at knowing EXACTLY where every skulk is.
I for one find the demos suspicious, and to deny the fact just to defend your friend makes you look like a bloody freaking moron. Defend him with facts and don't say " omg im a whiner we shouldn't accuse him of hacking omg hamps sucks omg im dumb"
(refering to cribs)O and I've been told despite criticals claim, by another cri member there was no mt. and take a look when that one dude is sitting above the door on the ledge, you can see, there is no ob.
(about yumo)MT is unknown. W'd have to take your word on that one. When he returns to base theres aliesn destroying parts of it so perhaps the took the ob down. About ten seconds later you can see an unbuilt ob and peeps building it.
First person normally shows what upgrades rines have but unfornatly demos dont pick that part up.
<!--QuoteBegin--HAMBONE+Oct 30 2003, 05:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HAMBONE @ Oct 30 2003, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think CAL should declare the evidence non-conclusive and drop the matter, while keeping an eye on him and making sure hes recording personal demos every game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sounds good to me.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lt. Hendrickson+Oct 30 2003, 06:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt. Hendrickson @ Oct 30 2003, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (about yumo)MT is unknown. W'd have to take your word on that one. When he returns to base theres aliesn destroying parts of it so perhaps the took the ob down. About ten seconds later you can see an unbuilt ob and peeps building it.
First person normally shows what upgrades rines have but unfornatly demos dont pick that part up. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There is another demo of the same round as the yumo one and throughout the round, 45 res ( which is how much MT costs to research) never went down at once. Is that not enough?
<!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Oct 30 2003, 10:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Oct 30 2003, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Aaron+Oct 30 2003, 08:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aaron @ Oct 30 2003, 08:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a scientific fact: IRC drops your IQ by half <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks for insulting half the forum population, there! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's only temporary. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Besides, if you can behave yourself on the internet with only half the brains/minimal accountability, imagine what you can accomplish in real life!
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
I'm going to let CAL handle this one. Posting this here does nothing except defame a Vet clanner who may or may not be guilty of what he has been accused of. If you've got nothing better to do than yell "see? see? Look here!", then we're done.
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do you want to show everyone how 'innocent' he is?
Just my 2p, at least.
And about your MT claim, I have another demo from the start of the round, 45 res never went down at once which would be a clear indicator that MT was being researched. GFG.
Just my 2p, at least. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks esuna.
These guys seem to think its perfectly acceptable for them to accuse him of hacking.
It is just as acceptable for us to accuse him of being a good player.
I've been told by the guys that played that they had MT.
I'm more likely to believe them than a bunch of forum lamers. You guys can choose to believe what you want. The fact is everything you have is proproganda.
We aren't leaving CAL
We aren't leaving NS
We aren't going away. cri has faced many other problems before. cristian got accused of hacking (and now pretty much everybody involved has conceded he wasn't hacking).
The same thing is going to happen to mosis.
Time will heal all the wounds and make everything right again.
What it really comes down to is NS is already short on clans and I'd hate to see one of the better ones die over one guys mistake, so I think CAL should declare the evidence non-conclusive and drop the matter, while keeping an eye on him and making sure hes recording personal demos every game.
EDIT:
By the way critical, cal rules state that fps demos should be recorded by every player, every match. If you really want to defend him to the point where people actually believe you, I think posting some of his FPS demos from previous CAL matches would go a long way towards proving your point. I'm totally willing to believe you but with the current evidence we have its very hard to.
I've watched doggeh(cri.stal) play cs live sitting behind him in his house and HE NEVER EVER MISSES.
1. Every one checks vetns.
2. com told him gorge in vents
so who gives a **** about that.
I have watched that demo and can give a rats **** on how he aims, but the fact he knew exactly where every skulk was and was able to trace aim them when there not even in view (i.e. skulk running up ramp was not in view, nor was sub junction skulk on wall.) Things like that are what make me suspicious of wall hacking
Theres a huge freaking difference than a god like aim, and god like speen at aiming, then there is at knowing EXACTLY where every skulk is.
I for one find the demos suspicious, and to deny the fact just to defend your friend makes you look like a bloody freaking moron. Defend him with facts and don't say " omg im a whiner we shouldn't accuse him of hacking omg hamps sucks omg im dumb"
(refering to cribs)O and I've been told despite criticals claim, by another cri member there was no mt. and take a look when that one dude is sitting above the door on the ledge, you can see, there is no ob.
(about yumo)MT is unknown. W'd have to take your word on that one. When he returns to base theres aliesn destroying parts of it so perhaps the took the ob down. About ten seconds later you can see an unbuilt ob and peeps building it.
First person normally shows what upgrades rines have but unfornatly demos dont pick that part up.
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Sounds good to me.
(about yumo)MT is unknown. W'd have to take your word on that one. When he returns to base theres aliesn destroying parts of it so perhaps the took the ob down. About ten seconds later you can see an unbuilt ob and peeps building it.
First person normally shows what upgrades rines have but unfornatly demos dont pick that part up. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is another demo of the same round as the yumo one and throughout the round, 45 res ( which is how much MT costs to research) never went down at once. Is that not enough?
Thanks for insulting half the forum population, there! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's only temporary. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Besides, if you can behave yourself on the internet with only half the brains/minimal accountability, imagine what you can accomplish in real life!
this looks suspect! especially if you've seen hh.avi