<!--QuoteBegin--e.Nadagast+Nov 17 2003, 01:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (e.Nadagast @ Nov 17 2003, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> they do fine because the public are generally newbies =| <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Or maybe they do fine because everyone uses gamepads? If a kb/mouse would get in somehow, he would own everyone, but as it is, you can't do that, so that shouldn't be part of the discussion. I believe thedraft was merely stating that while a FPS on a PC is usually better, a FPS on a console(or, well, the XBox, haven't tried any other of the 3 consoles myself) can work pretty damn good. If MADE for the console, rather than for a PC.
EDIT: I'll just say this to be sure: FPS is always better on a PC than on a console, but a FPS made for a console is not too bad, as EVERYONE has the same capabilities-which also happens to make the game more fair.(everyone having the same framerate unless they're dumb)
Well lets ask ourselves one simple question. How would you work as a commander with a gamepad? Answer: you couldn't. You could be a vanilla grunt, maybe even a skulk, but commanding? Forget it.
NS on the x-box, or any console for that matter, would be woeful. The commander is such an absolutly vital part of NS that without him, what gameplay that existed would be dominated by the aliens.
<!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Nov 17 2003, 07:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Nov 17 2003, 07:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well lets ask ourselves one simple question. How would you work as a commander with a gamepad? Answer: you couldn't. You could be a vanilla grunt, maybe even a skulk, but commanding? Forget it.
NS on the x-box, or any console for that matter, would be woeful. The commander is such an absolutly vital part of NS that without him, what gameplay that existed would be dominated by the aliens. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ps2 has usb slots for kb and mouse
Alcapwn"War is the science of destruction" - John AbbotJoin Date: 2003-06-21Member: 17590Members
If NS does make a move to consoles, i would hope it would be to the ps2...
but....unless valve buys the ns team i dont see how flayra can start modding fo any consoles...you will need lots of $$$ for that. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I just hope NS stays on the Pc right now <img src='http://www.ina-community.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Alcapwn"War is the science of destruction" - John AbbotJoin Date: 2003-06-21Member: 17590Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Stanley_txp+Nov 16 2003, 08:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stanley_txp @ Nov 16 2003, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wow you hate xbox cuz its better than ps2? but you want ns on ps2? ps2 would put limitations on the game, low power, low fame buffer, low texture memory, low fsb, ps2 is way underpowered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> actually...your wrong.
If the ps2 could handle Games like Vice city with little too NO framerate loss, then im almost 100% positive it can handle Ns without any serious probs. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--thedraft+Nov 17 2003, 02:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (thedraft @ Nov 17 2003, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3. Xbox Live is the best online service for the consoles. Live is the best online service, period. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No way in hell am I paying to play a few sports games and crimson skies when niether are massive multiplayer.
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<!--QuoteBegin--||SemperFi||+Nov 17 2003, 10:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (||SemperFi|| @ Nov 17 2003, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--thedraft+Nov 17 2003, 02:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (thedraft @ Nov 17 2003, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3. Xbox Live is the best online service for the consoles. Live is the best online service, period. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No way in hell am I paying to play a few sports games and crimson skies when niether are massive multiplayer.
Ill take my socom 2 minus the monthly fee thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah, socom 2 is teh sh1t <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I own a Xbox and i think FPS are very well done on it, anyway think of all the buttons NS needs, now think of CS, notice how much less buttons CS ,use, reload, bunny hop change gun, buy. NS use,reload, pop up menu, think how hard it would be to comm aswell. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Also pity on those of you insulting a Xbox and loving another, proves how sad your are by carrying on a stupid console war from ages ago, i agree that ns should stay on a computer.
Bah, screw the Xbox, the NS team should work on porting it to the Phantom! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--them+Nov 16 2003, 08:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (them @ Nov 16 2003, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i hate xbox
1. i bought a ps2 for $200 2. ps2 has like NO cool games 3. xbox has halo, DOA volleyball, etc. 4. all my friends have xboxs but ME 5. memory cards cost like $30 6. all of the above REALLY **** ME OFF
so make NS for ps2!!!! and i was just wondering, does HL for ps2 have better graphics than HL on pc? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> a) yes hl-ps2 has better graphics b) play some gtaIII and some gta vice city c) then go play socom and splinter cell d) play ace combat04, a <i>lot</i> e) third party memory cards f) get mgs1 (yes the ps1 version) g) get mgs2: substance (with all the exclusive stuff) h) third party memory cards f) play ns, on your computer, only on your computer
<!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Nov 17 2003, 11:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Nov 17 2003, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well lets ask ourselves one simple question. How would you work as a commander with a gamepad? Answer: you couldn't. You could be a vanilla grunt, maybe even a skulk, but commanding? Forget it.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, yeah you could. Just off the top of my head:
Right thumbstick: move cursor on screen Left thumbstick: move cursor on mini map Right trigger: click left trigger: alt click l. thumbstick button: snap to alert A,B,X,Y,: set and select squads black and white: cycle through build menus
Like some of you figured out, I didn't say it woud be perfect. We already have a perfect control setup for the NS. Doesn't mean it couldn't work, and well.
Alcapwn"War is the science of destruction" - John AbbotJoin Date: 2003-06-21Member: 17590Members
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Nov 17 2003, 01:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Nov 17 2003, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would like to take this moment to point out that GTA on PS2 looked like pewp compared to the PC release. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah, and so did every other game.
Same thing with Unreal Championsip and Ut2003. (Which are both almost exacltly alike) ut2003 just blew UC out of the water. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
So will deus ex 2 and max payne 2. (cosole version of max paynes 2 comes out in about a month.) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hooked up my computer to the television today and played NS. It was a very different experience, and I must say, the map ns_mineshaft looked <i>very</i> impressive on the different display.
One of the greatest aspects of NS is the social side of it. Large games where you find yourself communicating and cooperating with your teammates are the best. While modern consoles do support online features, consoles still tend to lean towards single player gaming.
While bots could certainly be created, I do not believe they will be able to capture this sense of teamwork that NS provides whilst playing with other people.
well, first off, it was just an idea, second, there could be a special controler for comming, third, remember... fps started on the console(Doom), fourth cs is comming to xbox, but that does not mean that valve is abandoning the pc version, so why would ns pc be abandoned, fifth xbox is the superior game system(just look at a side by side compairison with ps2, and forget gamecube), sixth xbox has xbox live, voice comm, auto player ranks etc.... fps was born on the console(SNES) and has thrived scince (golden eye, quake III, halo, perfect dark, need i go on?) ok, now i've shot down the lame posts.
<!--QuoteBegin--Align+Nov 17 2003, 07:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Nov 17 2003, 07:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Or maybe they do fine because everyone uses gamepads? If a kb/mouse would get in somehow, he would own everyone, but as it is, you can't do that, so that shouldn't be part of the discussion. I believe thedraft was merely stating that while a FPS on a PC is usually better, a FPS on a console(or, well, the XBox, haven't tried any other of the 3 consoles myself) can work pretty damn good. If MADE for the console, rather than for a PC.
EDIT: I'll just say this to be sure: FPS is always better on a PC than on a console, but a FPS made for a console is not too bad, as EVERYONE has the same capabilities-which also happens to make the game more fair.(everyone having the same framerate unless they're dumb)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think it would butcher any pc fps if it was placed on a console. I mean so much maneuverability is lost. The only thing that makes up for that is the assurance that everyone else is on an even footing. And even then, it is still a loss. I mean, when I played the console Max Payne after playing the PC version, I was almost to the point of tearing my hair out it was so frustrating not being able to do some of the things I could do previously. And really, you only get so much HD space on an Xbox. Getting mods for each game (HL having the whopping 16 some odd mods I have) might fill that up faster than I like. Though I think the HD is pretty big. (How big was it anyway?)
**EDIT** MP One, not two, as mentioned above by SemperFII.
FPS ported to consoles are frustrating to play if you have already played the PC version, but prosumably, if your buying the game for your console, you don't own the pc version, so you probably wont get a sence of the frustration. I certainly will not be buying any console FPS that have been released for PC
PS2 has lots of good games: MGS, Gran Tourismo, GTA's, FinalFantasy's, kingdom hearts (infact almost anything by squaresoft is worth playing if you like dont irrationally hate the RPG genre), RE: code veronica, Dynasty warriors, and some others too that I cant rember off the top of my head, Plus I get the priceless bonus of being able to play all my old PS games after my TV fell on my PS. Not that X-Box doesn't have any good games, but saying that PS2 has no good games is compleatly false. Gamecube has a bunch of pretty good games too actually. Moral of the story, stick to PC <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I really think that NS for any console is a bad idea, it would almost definatly require massive tweaking, and probably the creation of a single player campain to come anywhere near the quality of the PC version. I would much rather see Flayra's time spent tinkering with the HL2 engine. Although whatever he chooses to do, im sure it will turn out great.
<!--QuoteBegin--Icarus+Nov 18 2003, 07:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Icarus @ Nov 18 2003, 07:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey why not make NS for <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Gamecube?</span> *runs* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The whole time I was reading this topic I was thinking that same thing! What's wrong with GameCube? In my opinion it is the best one out there.
1. Most original games EVER. No other company could come up with the incredible never-ending Animal Crossing or the AMAZING graphics and game play of Metroid Prime, which is a first person shooter.
2. Out of all the systems, it's controllers are the best. Yes I would rather a keyboard and mouse, but GC has the wavebird and thats really cool.
3. The GameCube was made to be upgradeable. If you flip your GC upside down you will notice several slots for different things. We only know of what 2 of the slots do, online play (which <b>really</b> sucks for GC, but it might get better) and the gameboy player.
4. It's the cheapist of all the consoles and it, in my opinion, is the best. Easy to carry around, you can get a memory card instead of having to bring your whole Xbox to your friends house...
And I think any PC game made for any console is gonna still suck, Counter-Strike will be hard to play due to the buy system, and there will be no more Nipper maps.
<!--QuoteBegin--||SemperFi||+Nov 17 2003, 02:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (||SemperFi|| @ Nov 17 2003, 02:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The ps2 version of mp2 looks like ****. It looks worse than the pc version on the lowest details.
Case in point:
<img src='http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/screen0/914909_20031114_screen004.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't forget that there's a difference between seeing and playing a game on tv with those settings, and playing it on PC with those settings.
no game should go to X-box or any console, you can't aim with a console controller for one thing. btw this is a reminder to boycott counterstrike coz they made it better on X-box even though a PC is obviously more powerful. btw after looking at the pics of Halo on PC i think they deliberately made them crappier than the x-box version as well. boycott that as well, and halo2 until it's all released on PC only.
ok, i have it!!!! what if you could got a special controler for comming, like steel batallian, only bigger, and with a builtin touch screen moniter? like a real comchair!!!! that would kick @$$!!!!!!
<!--QuoteBegin--e.Nadagast+Nov 17 2003, 06:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (e.Nadagast @ Nov 17 2003, 06:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--thedraft+Nov 17 2003, 02:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (thedraft @ Nov 17 2003, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1. FPS <i>do</i> work on the console. There's no argument. Halo's sold millions of copies. Timesplitters sold millions of copies. Ghost Recon is selling like hot cakes. Same for Raven Shield. Yeah, yeah, the kb/mouse is the best input for FPS, but the dual analog does a more than passable job. If <i>you</i> have some deficiancy and can't figure it out, that's <i>your</i> problem. So, control wise, there's no reason NS couldn't be on the Xbox. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh please. I'd love to play anyone who thinks console controllers are nearly as good as KB/Mouse in a 1 on 1. I'm absolutely sure that the Keyboard/Mouse would DECIMATE the gamepad. It wouldn't even be close. You can do so much more advanced techniques with a keyboard and mouse and aiming is 10000 times easier. FPS on consoles are HORRIBLE... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> first of all the controls are vastly inferior. If it was true they were as easy as keyboard and mouse, I'd see a lot more decent actions happening in the console FPSes.
secondly these people are deprived. They may be cool and all but they and me are separated by a gulf of time and culture and experience. So many good times, so many years they missed out on. If that were not enough, a lot of these people are arrogant console fans.
thirdly the FPS experience on a console is vastly inferior to that on PCs. This is the main reason why they should not be on consoles; the first one I stated is but part of this larger problem.
IT DOES NOT MATTER what some deprived and or dumb4ss people think. You must learn not to trust random people's judgment. I do not mean be hesitant to believe anything people say. If you have not the sense to realize that I think there is no hope for you and I cannot trust your judgment. Ok I have to rein in my digressions before I end up having to explain them all. But IT MEANS NOTHING something is popular when clearly you (I) know better. Sure the world may change because of them, but that does not make it right.
I would just like to say to stanley that X-Box being the "better system" is a load of crap....
I mean, you can only really judge a system off of how you feel about it.. if the games are your thing, the system is... But saying "put them side by side and see" is not doing a damn thing...
You may say "well, X-Box has better stats! Look at the hard drive! It HAS to have better graphics than the others!!!" - With this in mind, look at the stats of games... the currently fastest running game is Rouge Squadren 2 (if they didnt speed up 3) which runs at 15mil polygons/sec... Im not sure if a faster game has come out since, but I am convinced that 1 hasn't... ANyway, Wheres X-Box's stats there? I thought you said to "Forget G-Cube"? While X-Box DOES have a superior hard drive (even though thier specs are inflated), It hasnt been using it to boost graphics or gameplay...
yur the only one to mention the hard drive, but yes ps2 has a maximum poly count of 15 million, xbox has a maximum poly count of 45 million its a proven fact
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IT'S LIKE CS IN SPAEC RIGHT?
Or maybe they do fine because everyone uses gamepads? If a kb/mouse would get in somehow, he would own everyone, but as it is, you can't do that, so that shouldn't be part of the discussion.
I believe thedraft was merely stating that while a FPS on a PC is usually better, a FPS on a console(or, well, the XBox, haven't tried any other of the 3 consoles myself) can work pretty damn good. If MADE for the console, rather than for a PC.
EDIT: I'll just say this to be sure: FPS is always better on a PC than on a console, but a FPS made for a console is not too bad, as EVERYONE has the same capabilities-which also happens to make the game more fair.(everyone having the same framerate unless they're dumb)
*seconds*
NS on the x-box, or any console for that matter, would be woeful. The commander is such an absolutly vital part of NS that without him, what gameplay that existed would be dominated by the aliens.
NS on the x-box, or any console for that matter, would be woeful. The commander is such an absolutly vital part of NS that without him, what gameplay that existed would be dominated by the aliens. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ps2 has usb slots for kb and mouse
but....unless valve buys the ns team i dont see how flayra can start modding fo any consoles...you will need lots of $$$ for that. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I just hope NS stays on the Pc right now <img src='http://www.ina-community.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
actually...your wrong.
If the ps2 could handle Games like Vice city with little too NO framerate loss, then im almost 100% positive it can handle Ns without any serious probs. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
No way in hell am I paying to play a few sports games and crimson skies when niether are massive multiplayer.
Ill take my socom 2 minus the monthly fee thanks.
No way in hell am I paying to play a few sports games and crimson skies when niether are massive multiplayer.
Ill take my socom 2 minus the monthly fee thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah, socom 2 is teh sh1t <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also pity on those of you insulting a Xbox and loving another, proves how sad your are by carrying on a stupid console war from ages ago, i agree that ns should stay on a computer.
1. i bought a ps2 for $200
2. ps2 has like NO cool games
3. xbox has halo, DOA volleyball, etc.
4. all my friends have xboxs but ME
5. memory cards cost like $30
6. all of the above REALLY **** ME OFF
so make NS for ps2!!!!
and i was just wondering, does HL for ps2 have better graphics than HL on pc? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
a) yes hl-ps2 has better graphics
b) play some gtaIII and some gta vice city
c) then go play socom and splinter cell
d) play ace combat04, a <i>lot</i>
e) third party memory cards
f) get mgs1 (yes the ps1 version)
g) get mgs2: substance (with all the exclusive stuff)
h) third party memory cards
f) play ns, on your computer, only on your computer
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Yeah, yeah you could. Just off the top of my head:
Right thumbstick: move cursor on screen
Left thumbstick: move cursor on mini map
Right trigger: click
left trigger: alt click
l. thumbstick button: snap to alert
A,B,X,Y,: set and select squads
black and white: cycle through build menus
Like some of you figured out, I didn't say it woud be perfect. We already have a perfect control setup for the NS. Doesn't mean it couldn't work, and well.
controller 3 optional for squad interface
better yet, ps2 with usb keyboard/mouse
yeah, and so did every other game.
Same thing with Unreal Championsip and Ut2003. (Which are both almost exacltly alike) ut2003 just blew UC out of the water. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
So will deus ex 2 and max payne 2. (cosole version of max paynes 2 comes out in about a month.) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Case in point:
<img src='http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/screen0/914909_20031114_screen004.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
One of the greatest aspects of NS is the social side of it. Large games where you find yourself communicating and cooperating with your teammates are the best. While modern consoles do support online features, consoles still tend to lean towards single player gaming.
While bots could certainly be created, I do not believe they will be able to capture this sense of teamwork that NS provides whilst playing with other people.
I believe thedraft was merely stating that while a FPS on a PC is usually better, a FPS on a console(or, well, the XBox, haven't tried any other of the 3 consoles myself) can work pretty damn good. If MADE for the console, rather than for a PC.
EDIT: I'll just say this to be sure: FPS is always better on a PC than on a console, but a FPS made for a console is not too bad, as EVERYONE has the same capabilities-which also happens to make the game more fair.(everyone having the same framerate unless they're dumb)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it would butcher any pc fps if it was placed on a console. I mean so much maneuverability is lost. The only thing that makes up for that is the assurance that everyone else is on an even footing. And even then, it is still a loss. I mean, when I played the console Max Payne after playing the PC version, I was almost to the point of tearing my hair out it was so frustrating not being able to do some of the things I could do previously. And really, you only get so much HD space on an Xbox. Getting mods for each game (HL having the whopping 16 some odd mods I have) might fill that up faster than I like. Though I think the HD is pretty big. (How big was it anyway?)
**EDIT** MP One, not two, as mentioned above by SemperFII.
PS2 has lots of good games: MGS, Gran Tourismo, GTA's, FinalFantasy's, kingdom hearts (infact almost anything by squaresoft is worth playing if you like dont irrationally hate the RPG genre), RE: code veronica, Dynasty warriors, and some others too that I cant rember off the top of my head, Plus I get the priceless bonus of being able to play all my old PS games after my TV fell on my PS. Not that X-Box doesn't have any good games, but saying that PS2 has no good games is compleatly false. Gamecube has a bunch of pretty good games too actually. Moral of the story, stick to PC <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I really think that NS for any console is a bad idea, it would almost definatly require massive tweaking, and probably the creation of a single player campain to come anywhere near the quality of the PC version. I would much rather see Flayra's time spent tinkering with the HL2 engine. Although whatever he chooses to do, im sure it will turn out great.
*runs*
*runs* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The whole time I was reading this topic I was thinking that same thing! What's wrong with GameCube? In my opinion it is the best one out there.
1. Most original games EVER. No other company could come up with the incredible never-ending Animal Crossing or the AMAZING graphics and game play of Metroid Prime, which is a first person shooter.
2. Out of all the systems, it's controllers are the best. Yes I would rather a keyboard and mouse, but GC has the wavebird and thats really cool.
3. The GameCube was made to be upgradeable. If you flip your GC upside down you will notice several slots for different things. We only know of what 2 of the slots do, online play (which <b>really</b> sucks for GC, but it might get better) and the gameboy player.
4. It's the cheapist of all the consoles and it, in my opinion, is the best. Easy to carry around, you can get a memory card instead of having to bring your whole Xbox to your friends house...
And I think any PC game made for any console is gonna still suck, Counter-Strike will be hard to play due to the buy system, and there will be no more Nipper maps.
Case in point:
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Don't forget that there's a difference between seeing and playing a game on tv with those settings, and playing it on PC with those settings.
sorry.... , but
- crappy controls
- thus crappy gameplay
- no player base
Oh please. I'd love to play anyone who thinks console controllers are nearly as good as KB/Mouse in a 1 on 1. I'm absolutely sure that the Keyboard/Mouse would DECIMATE the gamepad. It wouldn't even be close. You can do so much more advanced techniques with a keyboard and mouse and aiming is 10000 times easier. FPS on consoles are HORRIBLE... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
first of all the controls are vastly inferior. If it was true they were as easy as keyboard and mouse, I'd see a lot more decent actions happening in the console FPSes.
secondly these people are deprived. They may be cool and all but they and me are separated by a gulf of time and culture and experience. So many good times, so many years they missed out on. If that were not enough, a lot of these people are arrogant console fans.
thirdly the FPS experience on a console is vastly inferior to that on PCs. This is the main reason why they should not be on consoles; the first one I stated is but part of this larger problem.
IT DOES NOT MATTER what some deprived and or dumb4ss people think. You must learn not to trust random people's judgment. I do not mean be hesitant to believe anything people say. If you have not the sense to realize that I think there is no hope for you and I cannot trust your judgment. Ok I have to rein in my digressions before I end up having to explain them all. But IT MEANS NOTHING something is popular when clearly you (I) know better. Sure the world may change because of them, but that does not make it right.
I mean, you can only really judge a system off of how you feel about it.. if the games are your thing, the system is... But saying "put them side by side and see" is not doing a damn thing...
You may say "well, X-Box has better stats! Look at the hard drive! It HAS to have better graphics than the others!!!" - With this in mind, look at the stats of games... the currently fastest running game is Rouge Squadren 2 (if they didnt speed up 3) which runs at 15mil polygons/sec... Im not sure if a faster game has come out since, but I am convinced that 1 hasn't... ANyway, Wheres X-Box's stats there? I thought you said to "Forget G-Cube"? While X-Box DOES have a superior hard drive (even though thier specs are inflated), It hasnt been using it to boost graphics or gameplay...
-End my useless argument-