Elchine: You've obviously got some sort of axe to grind with console games. As to why, I don't really care. I've been playing FPS since Wolfenstein, in a postage stamp size window on my 286, and I'm still playing them today. I just got to the final act in Call of Duty, matter of fact. My point being: I love PC games, especially FPS games. You're right in that they do work best on the PC.
However, I loved Goldeneye. I loved Perfect Dark. I loved Halo. I loved Timesplitters. All awesome FPS games that played <i>just fine</i> with the gamepad. Would they have controlled better with a m/kb? Totally, but that's beside the point. FPS games do work on the consoles, period.
The notion that console gamers are "deprived" is retarded. If anyone here's deprived, it's you. There's a metric **** ton of classic console games out there, and if you ignore them just because they aren't on the PC, the only person you're hurting is yourself.
<!--QuoteBegin--tanathos+Nov 16 2003, 07:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tanathos @ Nov 16 2003, 07:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Natural-Selection is still in beta while Counter-Strike isn't. So no it won't be ported. And by the time it COULD be ported, we'll all be playing Half-life 2 for a long time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah! Except...you're completely and blatantly wrong! What would make you think NS was in beta?
<!--QuoteBegin--Stanley_txp+Nov 16 2003, 09:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stanley_txp @ Nov 16 2003, 09:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wow you hate xbox cuz its better than ps2? but you want ns on ps2? ps2 would put limitations on the game, low power, low fame buffer, low texture memory, low fsb, ps2 is way underpowered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> True and xbox is way crash prone. Id take a ps2 of 3 xboxes. Everyone I know have problems with xbox. I mean look its a less secure version of windows than 98 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
all right if you think that xbox sux, explain how and why, and the other post about xbox being crash prone... no, i've never had xbox crash, ever. my friend got an xbox cuz his little brother got **** at the ps2 after it crashed after playing 2 hours of missions in vice city, without saving, he kicked it across the room.
I hate these friggin console wars. There is no best console, it all depends on what you want to do with your system. If you want inovative innocent gameplay, and the ability to also get the crap freaked out of you now and then, buy a gamecube. If you want the most ownage RPG's ever made, and a decent collection of 1v1 fighters and racing games go for the PS2. If you want the specs, and always having the top of the ladder when it comes to multi platform games, and you are satisfied with halo and dead or alive being your only good exclusive titles, then pick up an XBox right away.
The only system better than any of the consoles when compared to them is a PC, but keep in mind, your gonna pay dearly for that quality. I dont see why anyone would want to buy a console that doesn't have any of the kinds of games they want to play, just because it is labled as "better" than some other console, by a bunch of nerds.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However, I loved Goldeneye. I loved Perfect Dark. I loved Halo. I loved Timesplitters. All awesome FPS games that played just fine with the gamepad. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Goldeneye was a sweet game, no question there. But the controls!? I got completly fed up with the game just trying to move around. Gamepads are so inferior to key/mouse it's not funny.
I'd personally like to see this thread locked before any more "(console1) is better than (console2)" arguements come out. Stop deciding which console is better, buy them all and a computer, and play all the games. They each have their strong points and neither is better. That's pretty much what I did, save for the fact I didn't buy a PS2 because most of it's game are on Xbox as well and is underpowered compared to the newer consoles. It does well cause it's a good standard, people love the controllers, they are the best, save for when it first came out. The directional pad gave me blisters like the old NES ones...
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Nov 17 2003, 08:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Nov 17 2003, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--BigDXLT+Nov 17 2003, 01:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BigDXLT @ Nov 17 2003, 01:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think Goldeneye is, and most likely always will be, the only good console FPS. (Metroid Prime is not an FPS, not in the traditional sense anyway.)
I personally also don't think a PC version of Goldeneye could have been better, in much the same way that Mario Kart would suck on the PC. Yeah, the single player would be great on PC, but the multiplayer would not. On the other hand, NS and every other FPS just works better with a keyboard and mouse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Perfect Dark <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Perfect dark owns all games, cant wait for after dark on the xbox <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->does HL for ps2 have better graphics than HL on pc?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, that's pretty funny.
Rule #1 : FPS do <b>not. work.</b> on console. Mouse & Keyb are the only way forward.
And tbh, from a hardware point of view, an Xbox is the best choice.
I think we are all forgeting one important thing here, especailly the people that say Keyboard/mouse is the only way to go. We play every day with a keybaord and mouse, we have fine tuned it to what we need. You give us a controler and of course it will seem inferior, beacuse it is not what we are used to it. ANd on the other side, if a person uses a controlerconstantly, you give him a keyboard and mouse and that person will be terrible with a keyboard and mouse. And I can tell you the actuall arguments on both sides.....Computer people - Not enough buttons on the controllers....... Console people - To many buttons to worry about. We have no way of knowing what happens when you pit a person with a keyboard and mouse against a person with a controler. And before you say that there are controlers for the computer, They are not the same. I can use an Xbox s-controller, but I can not use the PS2's, gamecube's, Computer's many ones, or even the orginal Xbox controler very well. It is all a matter of preference. I have no doubt on my mide that it you play against a experenced person from the consoles, who played the console FPS just as much as you play the computer FPS and is equal in skill, you two will be an even match.
1. Games all lack modability (is that a word?), which is a big part of PC games, especially FPS games. 2. It's online capabilities are inferior to a PC. 3. YOU CAN'T UPGRADE XBOX HARDWARE! Need better graphics for your PC? Go get a new top end Graphics Card that will last you for about 3 Years worth of new better games. With an XBox, if new, better graphics are needed then oh no it'll be XBox2 time, meaning buy a new console which is only good for about a year or two, until either a sequal console comes out, or another company beats it. 4. Contollers... NO Matter What game genre, a controller is crap. Reason being a controller has to support all kinds of games, from Driving, to FPS, to a beat-em-up. A keyboard and mouse is best for FPS games, but if say you wanted a Drving game then you're gonna want a steering wheel. IMO keyboard and mouse only works for FPS and RTS games. 5. My PC IS superior in Spec to an XBox!!! +looks cooler! (Lol XBox does look **** <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> ) 6. XBox = Microsoft. I'm not having a go at Microsoft, since you can't since they are not as evil as ppl say, but they do like any way to make money. This means XBox games and games companies are bought by Microsoft to release games for them mainly.
Ok now some other crap...
1. CS is on XBox because it is an official VALVe stand alone game now, not a mod anymore. It's makers are VALVe employees. 2. NS is a mod at the moment, and would have to be far out of beta stages to even have a chance of being a VALVe official title. Although I can see that happening in under a years time myself. 3. Halo... It was NOT a good game on the XBox. Mainly due to it wasn't much fun to play, hell it's not even really good on PC. Kill me if you will, but why the hell should I follow public opinion? 4. Timesplitters, 1 and 2, very very poor games. I was actually shocked when I played TS for the first time, it was abismal! Yea maybe against public opinion? Oh well I have my own mind. 5. Someone said about HL on PS2. Well yes it had better graphics, they were actually quite impressive, at least so I thought. Although it does lack in playability big time, It was the best attempt at a Console FPS ever. 6. Someone mentioned Golden Eye.. well that wasn't really very good IMO, mainly because it was DULL. Best console game of all time? Hmm.. many seem to think that, sadly not me.
Finally the best console is...
In my opinion, the PS2 has the best top quality games by the best console developers. Game-cube is second place since it has a "few" origional ideas. (Half the games people claim are really origional, actually arn't) XBox loses since I feel there is not a single good game on it. Including the version of CS (and I love CS to bits).
If you want to talk about consoles that are the best EVER, then you're looking at the SNES. (It had Doom, first FPS, and I never liked it one bit <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
<b>(Yay first post here! Woo, nice and long <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->, Sorry is my opinions go against them of the masses, but quite frankly, do you see me caring?)</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->XBox sucks compared to a PC because...
1. Games all lack modability (is that a word?), which is a big part of PC games, especially FPS games. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not true, due to the fact that the x-box has a hardrive you can easily make mods for games. Only a few devolpers have taken advantage of this but MechAssault for example ha been adding new gamemodes, maps and mechs. You can even jerry rig Morrowind to accept PC mods that don't add in new graphical or sound content so it's definatley possible to mod on the xbox. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2. It's online capabilities are inferior to a PC. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you mean for simply browsing the web or downloading I'd agree but on the gaming front EVERY game has built in voice chat the ability to share friends lists across games, get invites to play a Raven Shield while you're playing Crimsons Skies etc. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3. YOU CAN'T UPGRADE XBOX HARDWARE! Need better graphics for your PC? Go get a new top end Graphics Card that will last you for about 3 Years worth of new better games. With an XBox, if new, better graphics are needed then oh no it'll be XBox2 time, meaning buy a new console which is only good for about a year or two, until either a sequal console comes out, or another company beats it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A current top of the line graphics card cost more than an Xbox. In fact I could have bought the next 5 big console systems for the cost of the gaming rig I built which is starting to show its age. (I may be upgrading the twin processors from 1.6 ghz to about 2 ghz sometime soon) If you're strapped for cash then consoles are a FAR beter vaule for exclusive gaming. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 4. Contollers... NO Matter What game genre, a controller is crap. Reason being a controller has to support all kinds of games, from Driving, to FPS, to a beat-em-up. A keyboard and mouse is best for FPS games, but if say you wanted a Drving game then you're gonna want a steering wheel. IMO keyboard and mouse only works for FPS and RTS games. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you would perfer to have to buy 10 different controllers to play ever other game? Also what about hybrid games? I'd say playing say GTA3 with a controller is easier than with a mouse and keyboard since while the shooting portion may be easier with a M/Kb driving with the keys is just clunky. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 5. My PC IS superior in Spec to an XBox!!! +looks cooler! (Lol XBox does look **** ) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And it prolly cost at least 10 times as much money as an xbox too. And the second part is purely your personel opion. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 6. XBox = Microsoft. I'm not having a go at Microsoft, since you can't since they are not as evil as ppl say, but they do like any way to make money. This means XBox games and games companies are bought by Microsoft to release games for them mainly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And I suppose you're not using Microsoft on your PC right now?
<!--QuoteBegin--Stanley_txp+Nov 18 2003, 12:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stanley_txp @ Nov 18 2003, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, first off, it was just an idea, second, there could be a special controler for comming, third, remember... fps started on the console(Doom), fourth cs is comming to xbox, but that does not mean that valve is abandoning the pc version, so why would ns pc be abandoned, fifth xbox is the superior game system(just look at a side by side compairison with ps2, and forget gamecube), sixth xbox has xbox live, voice comm, auto player ranks etc.... fps was born on the console(SNES) and has thrived scince (golden eye, quake III, halo, perfect dark, need i go on?) ok, now i've shot down the lame posts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> MY GOD
You seem to not be lost and so there is hope for you but
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sry god
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD
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I'm speechless
No wonder you brought this topic up. I forget the name of the originator of this maligned topic but <b>I bet it is you</b>. Please, uh, check your thoughts about this topic. Please, I am trying to help you. Before spouting anything off, think about how to improve the Xbox NS experience so it would be like PC. Second, and this may be much harder, figure out if these .. things you listed, are they true?
Geek, please. Maybe you hate fanboys in general but you seem .. geeky enough to understand that the PC does not deserve to be slighted by even the consideration of a comparison to the Xbox.
Yes Xbox is interesting but the whole Xbox fanboy base is a disgrace to the peoples of the PC.
IF these newcomers have a wonderful experience to ours and IF these newcomers can leave behind arrogance and contribute something worthwhile to the world then I will accept them.
There is nothing wrong with Xbox. It is simply inferior to the PC for FPS gaming. In fact, for any gaming whatsoever, save fighting games and GTA. So what if these are good? I am not insulting them. I am not saying they should not be played. I am not saying Xbox and gaming consoles should never be adopted. I am saying that, it is a shame how they are treated by ignorant people. Ignorant people who will swamp the world.
I am all for the future of games, with gaming consoles and maybe 'painters' in rooms of houses, which will create scenes from the imagination.. ok I am derailing so kthxbye
Look, gaming consoles would be perfect IF they were simply gaming PCs w/ sexier boxes and TV friendly equipment.. which THEY SOON WILL BE and thus I WILL WAIT FOR XBOX 2. But I cannot stand the fanbase.. they think they are better than us, which is not the case, they are ignorant of the past, which may or may not be ok, but they are deprived and separate from me by worlds and are unwilling to learn and change, they will become set in their ways and know no better.
<!--QuoteBegin--elchinesetourist+Nov 19 2003, 08:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (elchinesetourist @ Nov 19 2003, 08:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Stanley_txp+Nov 18 2003, 12:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stanley_txp @ Nov 18 2003, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, first off, it was just an idea, second, there could be a special controler for comming, third, remember... fps started on the console(Doom), fourth cs is comming to xbox, but that does not mean that valve is abandoning the pc version, so why would ns pc be abandoned, fifth xbox is the superior game system(just look at a side by side compairison with ps2, and forget gamecube), sixth xbox has xbox live, voice comm, auto player ranks etc.... fps was born on the console(SNES) and has thrived scince (golden eye, quake III, halo, perfect dark, need i go on?) ok, now i've shot down the lame posts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I can't stay away.
First off, who cares if Counter-Strike is coming to the Xbox, that is faulty thinking, that is trust blindly in good Santa Claus and the authorities reasoning, that is nowhere as.. enlightened as it once seemed PC people could be. I'll have to spend some more time translating my thot into word before I spell it out for you.
Second, doom was created for PC.
Third, doom is not the first FPS.
Fourth, Xbox is inferior in every way to the PC gaming experience, EXCEPT that you can use a controller (which is also a handicap) and use a TV thusly possibly sitting on a nice couch, which is not usually the case with PC.
Fifth, all console FPSes are not that great. Even if there was a great one (Halo) it was killed by its delayed release to PC. Why? Because if only Halo were for PC, the world would be a much better place. The controls be vastly better and thus much more skillful combat would evolve. Imagine all the mods and custom maps and huge multiplayer games you could have and create, all that time that has gone by that could have been spent truly enjoying and exploiting all the greatness of Halo. Gone. A year is a long time. Years > year.
xbox live is late. LATE. OF COURSE IT'S GOOD. BUT IT'S ABOUT A DECADE LATE. voice comm. y did you even mention this? auto player ranks? have you played any computer FPSes besides NS? Perhaps this negativity may turn you off but trust me, if you enjoy FPSes at all you are missing out big time.
hehe elchinesetourist, keep on at em <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
apparently everyone missed this the first time, so here it is again... VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no best console, it all depends on what you want to do with your system. If you want inovative innocent gameplay, and the ability to also get the crap freaked out of you now and then, buy a gamecube. If you want the most ownage RPG's ever made, and a decent collection of 1v1 fighters and racing games go for the PS2. If you want the specs, and always having the top of the ladder when it comes to multi platform games, and you are satisfied with halo and dead or alive being your only good exclusive titles, then pick up an XBox right away.
The only system better than any of the consoles when compared to them is a PC, but keep in mind, your gonna pay dearly for that quality. I dont see why anyone would want to buy a console that doesn't have any of the kinds of games they want to play, just because it is labled as "better" than some other console, by a bunch of nerds. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Black Hawk 2982, mouse and keyboard is superior to any gamepad, not that there arn't players that are very good with gamepads, but the mouse is capable of far more precise moves, and way faster turns, allowing you to do anything from sniping a quick moving target from seemingly miles away, to whipping around to HS a guy right at your back much quicker than any gamepad. The gamepad would probably be at least as good as a keyboard for movement controls, and quite possibly even slightly better, as well as not losing accuracy when pounding semiautomatic weapons away. But the ease of movement with the mouse would always make the gamepad look pitiful at turning and aiming. Just try to aim at someone while strathing in golden eye and see what I mean, the skill is much easyer to master on mouse and keyboard
i guess everyone missed the actual starting question. it was <i>what if</i> they ported nx to xbox. i said xbox because i have an xbox, and xbox is the only system that could posibly handle custom content, voice comm, and a server browser, right out out of the box. i know that most of you can not get out of your neanderthal brains <i>Xbox badd!!! Ps2 GOOD!!!!"</i> and look at the actual system specs, does ps2 have a hard drive to store maps on? does ps2 have a network conection? well, the answer is yes!!, but they are aftermarket excessories. it may suprise you but i have a ps2. I enjoy many of its features, but i must admit that i like my xbox more. sure i love the fact that there are well over 100,00 games for ps2(including psx games and imports) but in every hardware and performance comparason xbox beats it, plus the fact that developers don't like working with its crazy archatecture, 4 processors!!! all with a fsb of 100mhz now lets break that down shall we? thats 1 cpu, 2 "vector units"(used for physics and lighting calculations) and 1 gpu(equivalent to a gforce1). oddworld: munches oddessy was planed to be a ps2 game, but then the dev team herd about the xbox and hoped onboard. the system archatecture of the xbox was planed out at meetings with programers from major game dev firms. <b>now look waht you made me do!!! i'm ranting!!!!</b> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
ps2 has the greater market share, which means that (according to the law of averages) more people here own a ps2 than xbox
even more people own a pc <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
so ... i think that ns should be ported to the pc, its bettar d00dz!
I love my PC, I custom built it myself and I spend a great deal more time on it than my xbox. All I'm saying is that the xbox is a pretty good piece of hardware. For the 200 dollar price tag you couldn't get a PC with anywhere near the same specs as it and it offer a generaly more social experience than PC gaming. I think PC gaming and console gaming complement each other and we should stop waving our name brand emblazoned wangs around and just ENJOY.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So you would perfer to have to buy 10 different controllers to play ever other game? Also what about hybrid games? I'd say playing say GTA3 with a controller is easier than with a mouse and keyboard since while the shooting portion may be easier with a M/Kb driving with the keys is just clunky.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well all GTA games (including 3) were better and more playable and fun on the PC in my opinion! Driving was not hard either, but again it's just my opinion. Also I was making the point that no games controller is ideal for the ammount of game types it has to support. A keyboard and mouse ususally IS.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And it prolly cost at least 10 times as much money as an xbox too. And the second part is purely your personel opion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Firstly, 10 times as much? I think not. A PC that is around the top spec possible at the moment does not cost 10 times the ammount of an XBox if you don't get yourself ripped off.
Secondly, that isn't personal opinion, it is FACT.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And I suppose you're not using Microsoft on your PC right now?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you take the time to actually read and think about what I said you would see I'm not actually bashing the use of Mircosoft software. I was stating the fact that MS buy developers so they can get games out for the XBox, otherwise there wouldn't be must interest in developing for the XBox since PS2 has the wider console market, GC is what alot of the so called "elite old school console gamers" play since Nintendo is the biggest name for them, and the PC is the god of so many gaming genres (from FPS to RTS to D&D RPG, etc etc the list goes on of PC top titles in mostly all half-decent genres!).
I don't hate Microsoft software. I do hate the fact that they want a monoploy over every area of technology possible. They try to buy out so many companies in so many areas of technology it's just a load of crap. Would you rather have it that all of a sudden in 2004 you get your copy of HL2 to find that Microfost now own it? Or that (if you liked consoles) you enter the local games store to find sections for the Microsoftstation by Sony-soft, the Micro-cube by Micro-Nintento, and the XBox by the big daddy corporation Microsoft? Yea, it sounds crazy and would never happen, but I bet Microsoft would sure as hell love if it did happen.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstly, 10 times as much? I think not. A PC that is around the top spec possible at the moment does not cost 10 times the ammount of an XBox if you don't get yourself ripped off.
Secondly, that isn't personal opinion, it is FACT.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A good rig, including a new EVERYTHING, will indeed cost you 2000$ or more, compared to the 200$ initial price tag of xbox, which now is 149$. And if you REALLY want the best in gaming, the uber system can cost upwards of 25,000$ - by all means the PC can cost far more than 10 times a console. [sarcasm] Some FACT you have there. Tell me, do facts appear randomly from the bowels of nothingness? I don't exactly remember; I was ramming my head into the wall after I read your post. Also, if you want to state a fact, you should try to include proper diction as well as grammar. I wouldn't want to be messing my <u>ammount</u> up, would I? [/sarcasm]
Also, while it can remove the warranty of your xbox, it is easily upgradable. I have a friend who put in a 1200mhz celeron and an 80 gig hard drive, and now plays emulations of PS2 games, PSX games, Gameboy games, Atari games, and essentially anything.
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for the top of the line state of the art pc, $3000 is conservitave. $499 for an AMD 64-bit optheron. $250 for a good motherboard. $300 for 1 gig of pc 3100 ddr ram. $249 for a 250 gig HDD. $349 for a dvd+-rw drive. $4.99 for a floppy drive. $150 for a good water cooling system. $159 for<a href='http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3738396' target='_blank'>this</a> computer case <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> . and $499 for a good video card. $99 for a good 5.1 suround sound card. $1,699 for a <a href='http://www.dti3d.com/' target='_blank'>3D Moniter</a> (no glasses, just look it over) did i for get any thing? oh yeah, flare. $20 for a cold cathode logt for in the case, 3x $5 for matching LED fans. thats my dream comp <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just rented CS:X and for the benefit of all you innocent console enthusiasts, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE BUY THIS GAME. It is horrible and smears Valv'e name and the entire CS: PC image all over the ground!
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However, I loved Goldeneye. I loved Perfect Dark. I loved Halo. I loved Timesplitters. All awesome FPS games that played <i>just fine</i> with the gamepad. Would they have controlled better with a m/kb? Totally, but that's beside the point. FPS games do work on the consoles, period.
The notion that console gamers are "deprived" is retarded. If anyone here's deprived, it's you. There's a metric **** ton of classic console games out there, and if you ignore them just because they aren't on the PC, the only person you're hurting is yourself.
Yeah! Except...you're completely and blatantly wrong! What would make you think NS was in beta?
True and xbox is way crash prone. Id take a ps2 of 3 xboxes. Everyone I know have problems with xbox. I mean look its a less secure version of windows than 98 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Im happy with my Xbox. Love to have friends over and <i>attempt</i> to have a halo lan party. Now all I need is to hook it up to surround sound.
The only system better than any of the consoles when compared to them is a PC, but keep in mind, your gonna pay dearly for that quality. I dont see why anyone would want to buy a console that doesn't have any of the kinds of games they want to play, just because it is labled as "better" than some other console, by a bunch of nerds.
Goldeneye was a sweet game, no question there. But the controls!? I got completly fed up with the game just trying to move around. Gamepads are so inferior to key/mouse it's not funny.
why don't you everyone grow up ?
it would be selfish to say no to developing a game, whichever it is.
Personally, I'd like to see Natural Selection in Xbox, PS2, GC, and GBA. (AND LINUX* !!!)
*: I beg no one starts with "xp is better than linux" lol.
NES controllers = <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> PAIN!
I personally also don't think a PC version of Goldeneye could have been better, in much the same way that Mario Kart would suck on the PC. Yeah, the single player would be great on PC, but the multiplayer would not. On the other hand, NS and every other FPS just works better with a keyboard and mouse. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perfect Dark <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perfect dark owns all games, cant wait for after dark on the xbox <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Heh, that's pretty funny.
Rule #1 : FPS do <b>not. work.</b> on console. Mouse & Keyb are the only way forward.
And tbh, from a hardware point of view, an Xbox is the best choice.
1. Games all lack modability (is that a word?), which is a big part of PC games, especially FPS games.
2. It's online capabilities are inferior to a PC.
3. YOU CAN'T UPGRADE XBOX HARDWARE! Need better graphics for your PC? Go get a new top end Graphics Card that will last you for about 3 Years worth of new better games. With an XBox, if new, better graphics are needed then oh no it'll be XBox2 time, meaning buy a new console which is only good for about a year or two, until either a sequal console comes out, or another company beats it.
4. Contollers... NO Matter What game genre, a controller is crap. Reason being a controller has to support all kinds of games, from Driving, to FPS, to a beat-em-up. A keyboard and mouse is best for FPS games, but if say you wanted a Drving game then you're gonna want a steering wheel. IMO keyboard and mouse only works for FPS and RTS games.
5. My PC IS superior in Spec to an XBox!!! +looks cooler! (Lol XBox does look **** <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> )
6. XBox = Microsoft. I'm not having a go at Microsoft, since you can't since they are not as evil as ppl say, but they do like any way to make money. This means XBox games and games companies are bought by Microsoft to release games for them mainly.
Ok now some other crap...
1. CS is on XBox because it is an official VALVe stand alone game now, not a mod anymore. It's makers are VALVe employees.
2. NS is a mod at the moment, and would have to be far out of beta stages to even have a chance of being a VALVe official title. Although I can see that happening in under a years time myself.
3. Halo... It was NOT a good game on the XBox. Mainly due to it wasn't much fun to play, hell it's not even really good on PC. Kill me if you will, but why the hell should I follow public opinion?
4. Timesplitters, 1 and 2, very very poor games. I was actually shocked when I played TS for the first time, it was abismal! Yea maybe against public opinion? Oh well I have my own mind.
5. Someone said about HL on PS2. Well yes it had better graphics, they were actually quite impressive, at least so I thought. Although it does lack in playability big time, It was the best attempt at a Console FPS ever.
6. Someone mentioned Golden Eye.. well that wasn't really very good IMO, mainly because it was DULL. Best console game of all time? Hmm.. many seem to think that, sadly not me.
Finally the best console is...
In my opinion, the PS2 has the best top quality games by the best console developers.
Game-cube is second place since it has a "few" origional ideas. (Half the games people claim are really origional, actually arn't)
XBox loses since I feel there is not a single good game on it. Including the version of CS (and I love CS to bits).
If you want to talk about consoles that are the best EVER, then you're looking at the SNES. (It had Doom, first FPS, and I never liked it one bit <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
<b>(Yay first post here! Woo, nice and long <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->, Sorry is my opinions go against them of the masses, but quite frankly, do you see me caring?)</b>
1. Games all lack modability (is that a word?), which is a big part of PC games, especially FPS games.
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Not true, due to the fact that the x-box has a hardrive you can easily make mods for games. Only a few devolpers have taken advantage of this but MechAssault for example ha been adding new gamemodes, maps and mechs. You can even jerry rig Morrowind to accept PC mods that don't add in new graphical or sound content so it's definatley possible to mod on the xbox.
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2. It's online capabilities are inferior to a PC.
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If you mean for simply browsing the web or downloading I'd agree but on the gaming front EVERY game has built in voice chat the ability to share friends lists across games, get invites to play a Raven Shield while you're playing Crimsons Skies etc.
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3. YOU CAN'T UPGRADE XBOX HARDWARE! Need better graphics for your PC? Go get a new top end Graphics Card that will last you for about 3 Years worth of new better games. With an XBox, if new, better graphics are needed then oh no it'll be XBox2 time, meaning buy a new console which is only good for about a year or two, until either a sequal console comes out, or another company beats it.
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A current top of the line graphics card cost more than an Xbox. In fact I could have bought the next 5 big console systems for the cost of the gaming rig I built which is starting to show its age. (I may be upgrading the twin processors from 1.6 ghz to about 2 ghz sometime soon) If you're strapped for cash then consoles are a FAR beter vaule for exclusive gaming.
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4. Contollers... NO Matter What game genre, a controller is crap. Reason being a controller has to support all kinds of games, from Driving, to FPS, to a beat-em-up. A keyboard and mouse is best for FPS games, but if say you wanted a Drving game then you're gonna want a steering wheel. IMO keyboard and mouse only works for FPS and RTS games.
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So you would perfer to have to buy 10 different controllers to play ever other game? Also what about hybrid games? I'd say playing say GTA3 with a controller is easier than with a mouse and keyboard since while the shooting portion may be easier with a M/Kb driving with the keys is just clunky.
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5. My PC IS superior in Spec to an XBox!!! +looks cooler! (Lol XBox does look **** )
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And it prolly cost at least 10 times as much money as an xbox too. And the second part is purely your personel opion.
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6. XBox = Microsoft. I'm not having a go at Microsoft, since you can't since they are not as evil as ppl say, but they do like any way to make money. This means XBox games and games companies are bought by Microsoft to release games for them mainly.
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And I suppose you're not using Microsoft on your PC right now?
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I'm speechless
No wonder you brought this topic up. I forget the name of the originator of this maligned topic but <b>I bet it is you</b>. Please, uh, check your thoughts about this topic. Please, I am trying to help you. Before spouting anything off, think about how to improve the Xbox NS experience so it would be like PC. Second, and this may be much harder, figure out if these .. things you listed, are they true?
Yes Xbox is interesting but the whole Xbox fanboy base is a disgrace to the peoples of the PC.
IF these newcomers have a wonderful experience to ours and IF these newcomers can leave behind arrogance and contribute something worthwhile to the world then I will accept them.
There is nothing wrong with Xbox. It is simply inferior to the PC for FPS gaming. In fact, for any gaming whatsoever, save fighting games and GTA. So what if these are good? I am not insulting them. I am not saying they should not be played. I am not saying Xbox and gaming consoles should never be adopted. I am saying that, it is a shame how they are treated by ignorant people. Ignorant people who will swamp the world.
I am all for the future of games, with gaming consoles and maybe 'painters' in rooms of houses, which will create scenes from the imagination.. ok I am derailing so kthxbye
Look, gaming consoles would be perfect IF they were simply gaming PCs w/ sexier boxes and TV friendly equipment.. which THEY SOON WILL BE and thus I WILL WAIT FOR XBOX 2. But I cannot stand the fanbase.. they think they are better than us, which is not the case, they are ignorant of the past, which may or may not be ok, but they are deprived and separate from me by worlds and are unwilling to learn and change, they will become set in their ways and know no better.
lol rant!1 woot
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I can't stay away.
First off, who cares if Counter-Strike is coming to the Xbox, that is faulty thinking, that is trust blindly in good Santa Claus and the authorities reasoning, that is nowhere as.. enlightened as it once seemed PC people could be. I'll have to spend some more time translating my thot into word before I spell it out for you.
Second, doom was created for PC.
Third, doom is not the first FPS.
Fourth, Xbox is inferior in every way to the PC gaming experience, EXCEPT that you can use a controller (which is also a handicap) and use a TV thusly possibly sitting on a nice couch, which is not usually the case with PC.
Fifth, all console FPSes are not that great. Even if there was a great one (Halo) it was killed by its delayed release to PC. Why? Because if only Halo were for PC, the world would be a much better place. The controls be vastly better and thus much more skillful combat would evolve. Imagine all the mods and custom maps and huge multiplayer games you could have and create, all that time that has gone by that could have been spent truly enjoying and exploiting all the greatness of Halo. Gone. A year is a long time. Years > year.
xbox live is late. LATE. OF COURSE IT'S GOOD. BUT IT'S ABOUT A DECADE LATE. voice comm. y did you even mention this? auto player ranks? have you played any computer FPSes besides NS? Perhaps this negativity may turn you off but trust me, if you enjoy FPSes at all you are missing out big time.
apparently everyone missed this the first time, so here it is again...
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The only system better than any of the consoles when compared to them is a PC, but keep in mind, your gonna pay dearly for that quality. I dont see why anyone would want to buy a console that doesn't have any of the kinds of games they want to play, just because it is labled as "better" than some other console, by a bunch of nerds. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Black Hawk 2982, mouse and keyboard is superior to any gamepad, not that there arn't players that are very good with gamepads, but the mouse is capable of far more precise moves, and way faster turns, allowing you to do anything from sniping a quick moving target from seemingly miles away, to whipping around to HS a guy right at your back much quicker than any gamepad. The gamepad would probably be at least as good as a keyboard for movement controls, and quite possibly even slightly better, as well as not losing accuracy when pounding semiautomatic weapons away. But the ease of movement with the mouse would always make the gamepad look pitiful at turning and aiming. Just try to aim at someone while strathing in golden eye and see what I mean, the skill is much easyer to master on mouse and keyboard
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so ... i think that ns should be ported to the pc, its bettar d00dz!
Well all GTA games (including 3) were better and more playable and fun on the PC in my opinion! Driving was not hard either, but again it's just my opinion. Also I was making the point that no games controller is ideal for the ammount of game types it has to support. A keyboard and mouse ususally IS.
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Firstly, 10 times as much? I think not. A PC that is around the top spec possible at the moment does not cost 10 times the ammount of an XBox if you don't get yourself ripped off.
Secondly, that isn't personal opinion, it is FACT.
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If you take the time to actually read and think about what I said you would see I'm not actually bashing the use of Mircosoft software. I was stating the fact that MS buy developers so they can get games out for the XBox, otherwise there wouldn't be must interest in developing for the XBox since PS2 has the wider console market, GC is what alot of the so called "elite old school console gamers" play since Nintendo is the biggest name for them, and the PC is the god of so many gaming genres (from FPS to RTS to D&D RPG, etc etc the list goes on of PC top titles in mostly all half-decent genres!).
I don't hate Microsoft software. I do hate the fact that they want a monoploy over every area of technology possible. They try to buy out so many companies in so many areas of technology it's just a load of crap. Would you rather have it that all of a sudden in 2004 you get your copy of HL2 to find that Microfost now own it? Or that (if you liked consoles) you enter the local games store to find sections for the Microsoftstation by Sony-soft, the Micro-cube by Micro-Nintento, and the XBox by the big daddy corporation Microsoft? Yea, it sounds crazy and would never happen, but I bet Microsoft would sure as hell love if it did happen.
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A good rig, including a new EVERYTHING, will indeed cost you 2000$ or more, compared to the 200$ initial price tag of xbox, which now is 149$. And if you REALLY want the best in gaming, the uber system can cost upwards of 25,000$ - by all means the PC can cost far more than 10 times a console. [sarcasm] Some FACT you have there. Tell me, do facts appear randomly from the bowels of nothingness? I don't exactly remember; I was ramming my head into the wall after I read your post. Also, if you want to state a fact, you should try to include proper diction as well as grammar. I wouldn't want to be messing my <u>ammount</u> up, would I? [/sarcasm]
Also, while it can remove the warranty of your xbox, it is easily upgradable. I have a friend who put in a 1200mhz celeron and an 80 gig hard drive, and now plays emulations of PS2 games, PSX games, Gameboy games, Atari games, and essentially anything.
Anything else mentioned in this forum is entirely opinional and up to the author to create and destroy, hence, my lack of comment, except for this:
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[sarcasm] So, you wanted Xbox live back when the fastest computer was 190 mhz, and the only thing was 56k, which few, if any had? Great thinking. I'll be sure to think of that next time I try to be a moron. [/sarcasm]
a. Built it myself which reduced the cost quite a bit
b. Did not use the very very best of what was available and instead saved money by buying 6 month old stuff.
Alright so post me the specs of this top of the line system you can build without going over 2K$.
Anyone under the age of 18:
Stop starting posts.
Stop replying to posts.
Anyone over the age of 18 who did not play Doom, don't start posts or reply to posts.
Then, we will have real posts that actually are meaningfull.
Thank you, thank you.