Why Wont Those Onos Or Fade Die?

txnhockey · January 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">help pls</div> Y WONT THE ONOS AND FADE DIE?<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>?? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>
i enter whole clips and i have turrets and other ppl shoting why wont they die?
ANY TIPS AND HELP WOULD BE HELPFUL
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ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby · January 2004

First tip. Just give up if you have a light machine gun. Just sigh, sit there, and let them kill you, becuase you will NEVER kill a fade with a light machine gun.

I'm so glad those botches are going to cost more in 3.0 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>

Eclipser · January 2004

Fades aren't that tough in the right situations. I once took out a fade by myself as a la/lmg. Just emptied my pistol into him as he blinked toward me, then circle-strafed with the lmg. One dead fade.

Onos definitely need teamwork to kill. You can try luring it onto mines, or mass fire from several lmgs can wear down an onos quickly. If you're caught alone, then you're screwed.

DragonMech · January 2004

Let me be a tad more helpful than Zombie. The hitboxes for the onos and fade are currently far different than the models. (This if fixed in 3.0)

To see exactly where the hitboxes are, you will need HLMV - Half Life Model Viewer. You can download it <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=20223' target='_blank'>here</a>. It is in step two.

Then you will need to load the models in HLMV. They should be in your Steam>SteamApps>E-mail>Half-Life>ns>Models>Players folder. The fade is alien4 and the onos alien5. Once they are loaded, click the checkbox that says "hitboxes." A bunch of red boxes should pop up around the various parts of the model. The only fade hitbox that takes damage now is the one around it's waste and stomach. The onos's damage-taking hitbox is the big one around the back half of it's body and over it's hindlegs.

And zombie, you CAN kill fades and Onos with LMGs and pistols - I have done so many times.

Extreme · January 2004

Fade isn't that hard to kill. 1 on 1 it is pretty rare (unless its a nub fade), but if you have 3 marines even with lmg will take out a fade unless he blinks out (which they always seem to do). An onos... well if you have a bunch of lmgers you might be able to take it out, but usually you need some heavy weapons to take those onoses out.

Lumberjack_Wannabe · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby @ Jan 6 2004, 05:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> becuase you will NEVER kill a fade with a light machine gun.

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Wow... seems you haven't played Marines that long.

Overall Marine Tips Against The Higher Lifeforms: When running around with your squad, try listening to the ambience. You should hear footsteps that sound weird, sometimes like something sloshing. This is most likely a Fade. If you hear a thunderous boom, or a sound of very heavy hooves... well... better say "oh no..." <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>

Tip against Fades: Make sure you keep a Fade in sight. Remember to listen to footsteps. Also, if you hear a weird streakish sound, that's the Fade blinking. Make sure you can meet the fade while he's blinking towards you, because he's mostly vulnerable during that time until he gets into range to swipe at you. Keep circle strafing the Fade at close range.

Tip against Onos: Stick with your team (unless your the ultra awesome JP/HMGer/Shotgunner <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> ). Concentrate fire on the Onos at the same time, and you have yourself a dead Onos. This normally works at range, due to the fact that the Onos is a devastating close range assailant.

And overall, make sure your commander has upgraded weapons through the arms lab after a few minutes of playing. These upgrades are critical in killing higher lifeforms.

Redford · January 2004

I've killed plenty of fades with my LMG< especally with turrets or other teammates helping. The key is to be accurate and aim for the lower body.

Alcapwn · January 2004

You may not know it, but most of your shots might now even be hitting you fade/onos!

Fade=Aim for the....er lower Area (OW!)

Onos=Aim for hind legs.

those are where the hitboxes are.

Dont worry there fixed in 3.0

Lerk is a little meh too...

EDIT:They really shouldnt have blocked that word... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>

sTuPiD_iTiaLiAn2k · January 2004

Step 1 : Unload LMG into target
Step 2 : Unload Pistol into target
Step 3 : Whip out your knife and stab away
Step 4 : If you run out of knife ammo, might as well bend over

Thouse are the four steps to take down any higher evolution if you have a lmg, pistol, and knife.

Phoenix_Six · January 2004

When you're dealing with fades in your base or at a hive and you know they're going to try and blink away through a relatively small corridor, try and block them. That is, physically stand in the doorway and keep them from blinking out. You'll be nailing him point blank as he tries frantically to squeeze by, and even if he pulls out his claws and shreds you, that extra second or two means your teammates have a MUCH better chance to finish it off.

Geminosity · January 2004

in the rare event of you vs a lone inexperienced fade take this 1 simple step to render yourself invincible; duck =P

A standing fade has horrendous trouble hitting a ducking marine for some reason, the only real way to do it is to look right down and hope you're hittting or duck as well. Once knifed a fade doing that and they were screaming bloody murder at me for it afterwards XD

Frosty · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>A standing fade has horrendous trouble hitting a ducking marine for some reason, the only real way to do it is to look right down and hope you're hittting or duck as well. Once knifed a fade doing that and they were screaming bloody murder at me for it afterwards XD </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

been there, as the rine of course, though i usaly managed to drop by pistal after unloading the lmg.

But yeah its more or less what these guys said, other solution is to get a hmg, and be able to aim worth a diddly, cus an hmg will cut things down.

BlueNovember · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lumberjack Wannabe @ Jan 6 2004, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Tip against Fades: Make sure you keep a Fade in sight.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Well, not to the extent that you rambo after him as he blinks away. As a fade, I tend not to fight with under 125 hp. That allows me to blink away with little chance of a lvl3 lmg being able to take me down alone.

Once the fade runs, it is not the time to counter-attack. See if the comm is going to drop tf, pg etc, then *go as a group* after the fade.

HTH.

brute_force · January 2004

Yes, crouching is a very good idea. I killed a fade this way once, and afterwards he was screaming "I COULDNT HIT HIM!". <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

I've pistoled an onos once too.

Er, anyway. What you wanna do, is that if you see a fade blinking away, chances are that you can take down him with one pistol clip if you've got decent aim. (I've done this twice <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>)

Oh yeah, onii are hard but they're not that tough. I had a shotgun on ns_caged once, and I was standing to the left of the main walkway towards the CC, and an onos was standing on the walkway, smashing the buildings in his way. I emptied my whole "clip" into his behind (hitbox area) and he died. The base was saved. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Savag3 · January 2004

It's funny how people tend to use these threads to show off and tell about how brave and skilled they are killing fades and oni with an lmg <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Oh well

The best tip I can think of with fades has been mentioned before: block him. There's nothing more annoying than getting blocked when you are trying to blink out of a nasty situation as a fade, and if you pull it off right you have created the fade's deathtrap.

Killing oni is really hard on your own. Actually its next to impossible, unless the cow is a total newbie. There are some things that might help you take one down though. First of all: keep your distance, unless you have a shotgun. Once you get in stomp range you will have a big disadvantage, and you will most likely die unless you have some teammates to watch your back. Also: try luring the onos in, then start spraying away with your lmg with some teammates. If someone has an hmg or a shotgun and you manage to get the cow to retreat through a corridor, he's a sitting duck. Because the 'vache de l'espace' is so slow and massive, its quite easy to kill it with an hmg or possible with a couple lmg marines. The cow will either reach that corner, heal up, and come back for another run, or die a satisfying death <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Good luck

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My clanmates Oetel and Minoanman created a movie that showed the hitbox flaws for every lifeform in 2.01, but I can't seem to find it right now. When I do I'll be sure to let you know, because it would be very helpful.
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Roger_Dodger · January 2004

Just a few things:
- Knowing the hitboxes is very important.
- Blocking fades is extremely useful as blink wont let them past and they panic and dont hit slash.
- Crouch as close to an onos' chest as possible and hit him with everything you have... only works if they trying to devour you.
- Mine traps are very useful for onos and fades. mine trap = 5 mines on one spot.
- Crouch or circle strafe fades.
- Pistol fades as they try to blink away

These are my tips. Oh yeh a good fade is immune to quite a bit of this stuff as they know the tactics. eg: me... I dont suffer any of the above things 'cept mine traps and being pistoled as i run away, coz i get too greedy. A smart fade will also "fly" around the rines head till he has to reload.

Hope this helps your endeavour to kill higher lifeforms.

- RD

esuna · January 2004

A Fade, once you get used to fighting them, can be quite easy to take down. Afterall, they don't actually have too many hit points.

The key is, as has already been mentioned, know where you're firing. For the Fade, aim for the gut and for the Onos, it's butt. For the Onos, imagine a marine standing up where it's hind legs are... that's the part you can hit.

One tip with the fade is, if you're alone, avoid their first blink. The amount of times i've had a Fade blink at me and then trying to swipe, only to have me jump aside and make them go straight past me is stupid. This buys you an extra few seconds or maybe time to reload. Don't count on it always working, but it has worked a number of times.

Short of the LMG which is, lets face it, pretty crappy unless it's level 3, if you have a shotgun with upgraded weapons you will be dropping fades like flies. We're talking 3-4 well aimed shotgun shots and a dead Fade, and with the shottie's rate of fire, that's not all to hard.

brute_force · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Savag3 @ Jan 7 2004, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It's funny how people tend to use these threads to show off and tell about how brave and skilled they are killing fades and oni with an lmg <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Guilty. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Cold_NiTe · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (txnhockey @ Jan 6 2004, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Y WONT THE ONOS AND FADE DIE?<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>?? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>
i enter whole clips and i have turrets and other ppl shoting why wont they die?
ANY TIPS AND HELP WOULD BE HELPFUL
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Listen, the hit box of the onos is not the same as the model. While in the soon to come version 3.0 it is, right now you have to aim at specific parts of the onos to actually hit it. You know when you play halflife single player, the size of say a Scientist or a Barney? Imagine a rectange with the same size, <i>inside the onos</i>. Aim for the middle of the onos, where the hitbox is, so you maximize your shots at it. Right now, you are probably just general aiming at it, and this is more effective for the onos than umbra because it enshures(sp?) that you miss it 40% of the time. A single LMGer can take down the current onos, if he knows where to aim, and given enough starting space between him and the onos; it is because of the hitbox problems that it takes a group of marines to take one down, and sometimes even then the onos beats them because they don't aim at its middle.

The same problems apply for the fade, but I am not sure where the hitboxes are exactly, its ingrained in my mind where to shoot but I don't truly know where I am aiming at.

Hope that helps.
- Cold-NiTe

Buggy · January 2004

most fades know when to run away from gunfire so imo minetraps very effective if under-used. put all 5 in one spot somewhere where hes gonna be and try to lure him there.

txnhockey · January 2004

wow i had this post up for like 3 days and WO alot of ppl told me a lot of stuff
thx ugg hivekepper queen person im good w/ comps (i build my own) ((and i was tired when reading it)) but woa thats alot for some1 fdalling asleep <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> any ways yea another thing bout the fade blocking is that he'll use up aall his energy going no where he he
O I HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR LIKE A WEEK ok
i took down 2 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'> (onos) last time i played (before i readf the post) with no probl so that was cool fade r just annoying i figured that out well.... O
SOME ONE FIX THAT BUG THAT SAYS hl.exe has commited illeagle ops. and must be shut down PLS FIX IT <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>
THX EVRY1 WHO REPLIED (ITS my first post <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> )
txnhockey

txnhockey · January 2004

i did not no that hit point thing (thats **** <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'> )
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> DIE <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> O COME ON I DIDNT HIT U <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

Gangsta_Monkey · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lumberjack Wannabe @ Jan 6 2004, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Make sure you can meet the fade while he's blinking towards you, because he's mostly vulnerable during that time until he gets into range to swipe at you.
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He also has to switch to swipe which sorta sux unless u have it bound... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

and sTuPiD iTiaLiAn2k what the heck in knife ammo?

txnhockey · January 2004

hes just joking man
GOSH
lol
txnhockey

txnhockey · January 2004

THAT WAS STUPID OMG IM STUPID <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>
but can osme1 pls fix that bug

DragonMech · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (txnhockey @ Jan 8 2004, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> THAT WAS STUPID OMG IM STUPID <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'>
but can osme1 pls fix that bug  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Max did that for 3.0; worship him.

Cheese · January 2004

hmm i red this thread somewhere at frontiersman tactics...and it really works very well.

just wait till the onos wants to get away. cause this is when he has few hp left. Then crouch behind him and empty all of your ammo into his nuts. he wont see you imediately. so... another important thing of this tactic is that you block him. so maybe he kills you...but it will help your teammates/turrets to bring him down. well perhaps not the turrets cause the are ****. but your teammates. hmm...bad thing is if they are godd onosplayers who eat you while running away. happend to me some times. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

Abaddon0 · January 2004

flank em, plane and simple.

ok get a marine or 2 behind them and when they run away (if they dont have redemp) they will get blocked in by you adn they will die. next if they have redemption you must amass your fire as a team to do as much damage as you can quickly. not just one shooter you need several.

txnhockey · January 2004

umm ok when you hit that bug(hl.exe) it frecks out my comp too wher there is too much gamma BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO RESTART TO GET NORM GAMMA IS THER A QUICKER AND EASIER WAY?
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>
TXNHOCKEY
why r there so many ppl online here at the forums but none playing on the server s its only like 200 ppl
]whats up w/ that?

chis1 · January 2004

heh sometimes i think the same, altho i see people killing them no bother then there is me shooting the f00k outta them, but then again i try to avboid going soldiers.. prolly wont when 3.0 comes out tho <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

mpecEightyTwo · January 2004

And, the most important thing, try don't get digested. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'>

Why Wont Those Onos Or Fade Die?

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