Which scene are you referring to? Sorry, but the old scheme of 'two dozen people standing around, pointing their gun at two hundred enemies, and then slowly backing away', which most of the fights are based on, just stopped working for me a long time ago. Fight scenes are to me a question of emotion (thus my love to the Lord of the Rings'), and Starship Troopers just misses the pacing for that - take, for example, the scene where the ground collapses below the old teachers feet (tragic scene), just to be interrupted by one of the flamethrower bugs getting out and being killed by a grenade chucked by romantic interest #2 (victory scene). The fact that both happen ten seconds away from each other makes the first scene seem banal and the second (especially the girl cheering) grotesque. The action sequences are riddled by such obvious mistakes.
Oh, and as for your second pro, sorry, but my testosterone isn't <i>that</i> involved in my decision making.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jan 11 2004, 06:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jan 11 2004, 06:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Which scene are you referring to? Sorry, but the old scheme of 'two dozen people standing around, pointing their gun at two hundred enemies, and then slowly backing away', which most of the fights are based on, just stopped working for me a long time ago. Fight scenes are to me a question of emotion (thus my love to the Lord of the Rings'), and Starship Troopers just misses the pacing for that - take, for example, the scene where the ground collapses below the old teachers feet (tragic scene), just to be interrupted by one of the flamethrower bugs getting out and being killed by a grenade chucked by romantic interest #2 (victory scene). The fact that both happen ten seconds away from each other makes the first scene seem banal and the second (especially the girl cheering) grotesque. The action sequences are riddled by such obvious mistakes.
Oh, and as for your second pro, sorry, but my testosterone isn't <i>that</i> involved in my decision making. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I think it's a fun movie to watch when you're bored and you want to see some aliens getting their **** kicked. But I suppose that depends on the kind of person you are watching it with... <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> (unless your by yourself, then it probably would suck.)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and as for your second pro, sorry, but my testosterone isn't <i>that</i> involved in my decision making. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have a suspicion that for the analytical people like nem, movies like "True Lies" and Starship troopers are probably lost/wasted on them. However, they probably can appreciate "Shine" and "The Shawshank Redemption" a little more then those of us that can sit down, disengage brain and appreciate what was a B grade movie that never aspired to anything more than that - B grade.
The thing is, you should look too deep into movies like Starship Troopers. It's a hollywood sci-fi / action flick, it's all visual.
As someone in this thread has already said, you do kinda have to turn off your brain while you watch it, because if you start thinking about it your head will explode, since i don't really think Paul Verhoeven is exactly well known for arty or intellectual films. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's a fun movie, and that's all it will ever be, if you don't like it, don't watch it, and certainly don't go looking deeper into the meanings and subtext, they just don't exist.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
*points at self* Big friken Heinlein Fan
Some explenations to go along with the book:
1) they didn't have the tech during the first major catastrophe to burow a nuke down far enugh to actualy get the bugs.
2) The second major offensive (end of the book so SPOILER) they HAD planet busters (will literaly split on in half <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) but that mission was to capture a brain bug.
3) The nukes for the BOOK were described as baby nukes (its science fiction, they developed a tech for low yield nuke warheads, Begining of the book has the main char ussing one on a water treatment facility to disable a city.
4) Power Armour rocks my, I want a set! The armour had strongenugh radioactive shielding to protect the user from what would probably boil us <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I liked the movie for what it was (random gretuitous violence)
I liked the book ALOT more: some interesting Heinlein political comentary (as opposed to his normal crap <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), and even cooler action (I WHAT A FRIKEN SET OF POWER ARMOUR!!!)
Nuke, borg, everyone made me shead a tear today. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
tankefuglOne Script To Rule Them All...Trondheim, NorwayJoin Date: 2002-11-14Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
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<!--QuoteBegin--SuperTeflon+Jan 11 2004, 04:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuperTeflon @ Jan 11 2004, 04:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> BTW can someone explain the logic and theory behind the 'hand-held nuclear warheads' in both the book and the movie?
[...] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, that's the difference between fact and fiction. IF we (or the ones who made this) had to explain the handheld nuke, it would no longer be fiction.
Fiction is the liberty of not explaining everything.
<!--QuoteBegin--MrMojo+Jan 11 2004, 02:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Jan 11 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know what was a good movie? The one with the giant worms that came out of the ground. Completely random, but great.
As for Starship troopers, I suppose it's good if you just want to watch something. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Tremors.
I absolutely love those movies (Yes, all 3) and the TV series is just starting to be aired in the UK. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Yes it's cheesey, yes it's funny and **** Burt rocks my world.
"I ran out of ammo...... that's never happened to me before..."
<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Jan 11 2004, 02:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jan 11 2004, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a suspicion that for the analytical people like nem, movies like "True Lies" and Starship troopers are probably lost/wasted on them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, I <i>loved</i> True Lies. It's one of the best parodies in recent history.
Contrary to popular opinion, I <i>can</i> switch my brain off and enjoy a film for its visuals - but in that case, those should be mighty <i>fine</i> visuals, which is why Starship Troopers loses.
Tremors was quite nice, maybe I should watch it in English one of these days.
The movie was fun to watch, but it's not the book by far. I was dissappointed that they did not feature any powered armor at all. The second movie is in development, and that goes even further away from the book. It seems to have more of an "aliens" theme. *shudders* No powered armor there either. Ah well.......
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As good as Starship Troopers is, don't be roped in by "Roughnecks", the POS spin-off cartoon, it has the worst writing and dialogue ever, poor acting (Yes, even for CG), apalling animation and you are guarenteed to feel ripped off, even if you only rented it. Avoid at all costs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I liked it. Take it for what it's worth, it was for kids. You know those old cartoons that explain the plot etc each time. The bad guys gotta tell us his evil plan before he kills us, and what have you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BTW can someone explain the logic and theory behind the 'hand-held nuclear warheads' in both the book and the movie?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The smallest nuke was the W-54 called the "Davy Crockett" mounted on a 120mm or 155mm recoilless rifle. The projectile weighed 76 pounds (the W-54 warhead coming in at 51 pounds of this total). It's variable yield was equivlant to 19-21 _tons_ of TNT IIRC. They mounted the whole unit on a jeep usually, told the guys to dig in and pray (the blast/radiation radius of the device was greater than the 120mm RR could effectively throw it. Scary stuff....)
I could see powered armor lugging this thing around, but a manportable micro-nuke carried by one dude as seen in the movie? That's reaching...... but this is the future, and it's probably FUZION ASSISTED ROFLOOLPMP... k.... nevermind.
The warhead was also used as an "atomic demolition device" and a nuclear landmine.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jan 11 2004, 07:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jan 11 2004, 07:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I zapped through TV yesterday night and accidentally got to watch it. For the first ten minutes, I was convinced it was the parody of a cheesy sci fi flick, only to realize that it was indeed simply a <i>very</i> cheesy sci fi flick.
Sorry folks, but even leaving the abonimable background out, the production values were low (as in 'hit rock bottom and started drilling to get deeper'), meaning that any kind of believable atmosphere was destroyed by the laughable look of the outifts and environments (Just look at that body armor - couldn't they at least have painted the plastic so it looks a little less like a childs toy?). The dialogues were bland, the action came from the school of 'bigger is better' which I had hoped went into extinction at the end of the 80s, the plots message was too stupidly presented even for the liking of a die hard anti-warer like myself, and the actings quality rivals only Tomb Raiders 'performances'. And the oh so great CG? Yeah, I understand it was something special when the movie came first out, but we're in 2004. I'm just not impressed by worse animations than I could've seen in a computer game anymore.
All in all, my quick review is "Belgh.". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well duh, in the TV version they edited out the shower scene <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
BTW, the CG Starship Troopers cartoon totally and utterly OWNED. The movie was ok, it was over the top cheesy, but being that it was so honest about it I liked it more then if it tried to act like it was a serious action flick.
Honestly, I would rather have a dozen movies like Starship Troopers then suffer through a piece of tripe like Fast and the Furious or XXX.
Yea, I LOVED the SST movie. I became a big fan of all SST-stuff. I'm waiting for <a href='http://mods.moddb.com/156/' target='_blank'>this Serious Sam: SE- mod</a> as much as NS 3.0, though I'm not sure that mod is ever going to be released.
And SST movie had the greatest siderole-actor, Michael Ironside (also the voice of Sam Fisher in Splinter Cell) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
[EDIT] Oh looky!!! That Serious Sam mod is going to be released "when it's done". Now where have I heard THAT ONE before <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Burncycle+Jan 11 2004, 01:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burncycle @ Jan 11 2004, 01:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The smallest nuke was the W-54 called the "Davy Crockett" mounted on a 120mm or 155mm recoilless rifle. The projectile weighed 76 pounds (the W-54 warhead coming in at 51 pounds of this total). It's variable yield was equivlant to 19-21 _tons_ of TNT IIRC. They mounted the whole unit on a jeep usually, told the guys to dig in and pray (the blast/radiation radius of the device was greater than the 120mm RR could effectively throw it. Scary stuff....) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->SADM was listed in the 3 Sep 74 printing of JCS Pub 1 as a “very low yield [equivalent to 10 tons TNT], man-portable, atomic demolition munition which is detonated by a timer device.” <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Davy Crockett was a suitcase nuke (Special Atomic Demolition Munition - SADM) attached to a rocket. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> The SADM weighs in at 80 pounds.
The W-54 was used for all kinds of small nuclear weapon roles, including a land mine, an air to air missile, the davy crockett, and the SADM. The warhead itself weighs around 51 pounds.
I don't like the term "suitcase" nuke because it would hardly fit in a suitcase, and you definately would look awkward HOLDING so much weight with one hand. It the demolition version was carried like a backpack. So it's a backpack nuke <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--2of12[B0RG]+Jan 11 2004, 07:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (2of12[B0RG] @ Jan 11 2004, 07:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Jan 10 2004, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jan 10 2004, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everyone loves this movie for all the wrong reasons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Man, come on.... this movie has guns, explosions, and even boobs.
What more does a man ask for in a movie? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Fast cars.
Though, SST was pretty good even without them. Best scene: ACE "Sir, I don't understands who needs a knife in a nuke fight anyway... All you gotta do is push a button, sir!"
Zim yanks the knife out of the post.
ZIM "Put your hand on the post, private."
Ace obeys. Zim throws, sticks his hand to the post.
ZIM "The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand. MEDIC!"
They had one kicka** training there. I wish we had training like that instead of the softie-stuff we have now. Trainer breakes your hand for whining and I always laughed at the "MEDIC!" right after ZIM "trained" some private <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[EDIT] Oh looky!!! That Serious Sam mod is going to be released "when it's done". Now where have I heard THAT ONE before<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ummmm, Max Payne?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wish we had training like that instead of the softie-stuff we have now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Military service starts in 18 hours. I can only hope Zim won't be there.
As for the movie itself, I think it was extremely enjoyable, once I realized that it doesn't take itself too seriously. At one point, I was extremely angry at the unbelievability, but after a few more viewings I "got" it, and after that it was a riot to watch.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin--BizZy | 9mm Messiah+Jan 11 2004, 01:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Jan 11 2004, 01:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Posted on Jan 11 2004, 01:25 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What I never understood about the film was in real life when an army goes to war it will airstrik the crap out of the battlefield, pound it with artillary then send in troops with heavy armour support. WHERE WERE THE TANKS?!?! And there was like one airstrike in the whole film. Insanity.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is what I was saying to myself. But then aren't the Marines the first to fight? Yea they could've used tanks though, the way the Marines were getting their arms handed to them. I mean cmon, if the aliens are going to send a huge friggin meteor and completely devastate one place. Why not do the same and nuke their behinds? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Once again just like in ALIENS
Earth armies seem to have little exprience with fighting the aliens.
They went in thinking they had everything under control, going in with lots of training etc.
but training for a human like enemy.
There was some book out there that goes into much detail about tons of information gathered from the movies, and books about the Starship Troopers Mobile Infantry, the ALIENS US colonial marines, the Star Trek Federation Navy, an the combined Star Wars Rebel and Imperial armys and navys,
To sum up, Federation Navy: Military Force through a strong navy only, The Federation has virtualy no standing ground army. They rely on "away teams" of security personel (which in turn rely Heavily on fire support from space orbiting ships) if that is unavailable, Federation troops usualy suffer large casualties. Which they do anyways with or without it.
USCM: Uses the concept of small extremely heavily armed units of platoon strength. When deployed on missions or elsewhere outside of standard borders they are trained to be self reliant, however should anything go wrong they have to make due with what they have.
SST: Mobile Infantry: Uses brute strength and numbers to accomplish objectives. While not shown in the movies they do use high tech mechanized armour support units. However problems coordinating between army and navy exist and military excursions are usally sent in with an all or nothing approach.
Imperial and Rebel armies (particuarly the more standardized Imperial military) Good balance of coordination, air, and ground support and well balanced space fleets.
If all of these got into a fight:
The unsoported USCM kicks major **** but eventual gets run over, Federation ground forces die in first 15 min of battle, but their ships in orbit fair better, however the standard Federation fleet is both outgunned and out numbered by imperial star destroyers and rebel mon calmari cruisers. Mobile Infantry due very well but suffer large casualties from Heavy Imperial ground armour and air support. Starwars type fleets vs SST navy would be quiet a battle but Imperials would probably win out.
i could go into Babylon 5 and BattleStar Galactica but I think this post is long enough. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's arguable that while the Federation does have an extensive navy, the Klingons, their allies in the Alpha Quadrant are very fond of person to person combat and probably form the bulk of any kind of mass invasion.
In any case, the feds could simply bomb the planet using photon torpedoes from a high orbit, and asteroids thrown by bugs would be useless against planetary defenses such that exist in the 24th century.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cronos+Jan 11 2004, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cronos @ Jan 11 2004, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's arguable that while the Federation does have an extensive navy, the Klingons, their allies in the Alpha Quadrant are very fond of person to person combat and probably form the bulk of any kind of mass invasion.
In any case, the feds could simply bomb the planet using photon torpedoes from a high orbit, and asteroids thrown by bugs would be useless against planetary defenses such that exist in the 24th century.
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Pfft. The Kilgons have not been a major power in the Alpha Quadrant for decades. The continue to do there small part but are a joke when it comes to the awesome might of Federation Technology.
The Cardasians are also a joke, after they lost the war with the dominion, they were left in ashes. The Romulans are the only Alpha Quadrant race that would be a problem in a war. The Federation dispite its many wars and major losses would still come out on top.
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Oh, and as for your second pro, sorry, but my testosterone isn't <i>that</i> involved in my decision making.
Oh, and as for your second pro, sorry, but my testosterone isn't <i>that</i> involved in my decision making. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I think it's a fun movie to watch when you're bored and you want to see some aliens getting their **** kicked. But I suppose that depends on the kind of person you are watching it with... <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> (unless your by yourself, then it probably would suck.)
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Aye....It was a joke.....
As someone in this thread has already said, you do kinda have to turn off your brain while you watch it, because if you start thinking about it your head will explode, since i don't really think Paul Verhoeven is exactly well known for arty or intellectual films. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's a fun movie, and that's all it will ever be, if you don't like it, don't watch it, and certainly don't go looking deeper into the meanings and subtext, they just don't exist.
As for Starship troopers, I suppose it's good if you just want to watch something.
Some explenations to go along with the book:
1) they didn't have the tech during the first major catastrophe to burow a nuke down far enugh to actualy get the bugs.
2) The second major offensive (end of the book so SPOILER) they HAD planet busters (will literaly split on in half <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) but that mission was to capture a brain bug.
3) The nukes for the BOOK were described as baby nukes (its science fiction, they developed a tech for low yield nuke warheads, Begining of the book has the main char ussing one on a water treatment facility to disable a city.
4) Power Armour rocks my, I want a set! The armour had strongenugh radioactive shielding to protect the user from what would probably boil us <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I liked the movie for what it was (random gretuitous violence)
I liked the book ALOT more:
some interesting Heinlein political comentary (as opposed to his normal crap <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), and even cooler action (I WHAT A FRIKEN SET OF POWER ARMOUR!!!)
BTW can someone explain the logic and theory behind the 'hand-held nuclear warheads' in both the book and the movie?
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Hey, that's the difference between fact and fiction. IF we (or the ones who made this) had to explain the handheld nuke, it would no longer be fiction.
Fiction is the liberty of not explaining everything.
As for Starship troopers, I suppose it's good if you just want to watch something. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tremors.
I absolutely love those movies (Yes, all 3) and the TV series is just starting to be aired in the UK. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Yes it's cheesey, yes it's funny and **** Burt rocks my world.
"I ran out of ammo...... that's never happened to me before..."
Still not seen the 3rd one or the series TV though...
Sure he wasn't talking about dune? =3
Hey, I <i>loved</i> True Lies. It's one of the best parodies in recent history.
Contrary to popular opinion, I <i>can</i> switch my brain off and enjoy a film for its visuals - but in that case, those should be mighty <i>fine</i> visuals, which is why Starship Troopers loses.
Tremors was quite nice, maybe I should watch it in English one of these days.
mmm... bacon...
mmm... bacon... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I legally own him.
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I liked it. Take it for what it's worth, it was for kids. You know those old cartoons that explain the plot etc each time. The bad guys gotta tell us his evil plan before he kills us, and what have you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BTW can someone explain the logic and theory behind the 'hand-held nuclear warheads' in both the book and the movie?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The smallest nuke was the W-54 called the "Davy Crockett" mounted on a 120mm or 155mm recoilless rifle. The projectile weighed 76 pounds (the W-54 warhead coming in at 51 pounds of this total). It's variable yield was equivlant to 19-21 _tons_ of TNT IIRC. They mounted the whole unit on a jeep usually, told the guys to dig in and pray (the blast/radiation radius of the device was greater than the 120mm RR could effectively throw it. Scary stuff....)
I could see powered armor lugging this thing around, but a manportable micro-nuke carried by one dude as seen in the movie? That's reaching...... but this is the future, and it's probably FUZION ASSISTED ROFLOOLPMP... k.... nevermind.
The warhead was also used as an "atomic demolition device" and a nuclear landmine.
Anyways here's a picture of it.
Sorry folks, but even leaving the abonimable background out, the production values were low (as in 'hit rock bottom and started drilling to get deeper'), meaning that any kind of believable atmosphere was destroyed by the laughable look of the outifts and environments (Just look at that body armor - couldn't they at least have painted the plastic so it looks a little less like a childs toy?). The dialogues were bland, the action came from the school of 'bigger is better' which I had hoped went into extinction at the end of the 80s, the plots message was too stupidly presented even for the liking of a die hard anti-warer like myself, and the actings quality rivals only Tomb Raiders 'performances'.
And the oh so great CG? Yeah, I understand it was something special when the movie came first out, but we're in 2004. I'm just not impressed by worse animations than I could've seen in a computer game anymore.
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Well duh, in the TV version they edited out the shower scene <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
BTW, the CG Starship Troopers cartoon totally and utterly OWNED. The movie was ok, it was over the top cheesy, but being that it was so honest about it I liked it more then if it tried to act like it was a serious action flick.
Honestly, I would rather have a dozen movies like Starship Troopers then suffer through a piece of tripe like Fast and the Furious or XXX.
And SST movie had the greatest siderole-actor, Michael Ironside (also the voice of Sam Fisher in Splinter Cell) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
[EDIT] Oh looky!!! That Serious Sam mod is going to be released "when it's done". Now where have I heard THAT ONE before <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->SADM was listed in the 3 Sep 74 printing of JCS Pub 1 as a “very low yield [equivalent to 10 tons TNT], man-portable, atomic demolition munition which is detonated by a timer device.” <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Davy Crockett was a suitcase nuke (Special Atomic Demolition Munition - SADM) attached to a rocket. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> The SADM weighs in at 80 pounds.
I don't like the term "suitcase" nuke because it would hardly fit in a suitcase, and you definately would look awkward HOLDING so much weight with one hand. It the demolition version was carried like a backpack. So it's a backpack nuke <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Man, come on.... this movie has guns, explosions, and even boobs.
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Fast cars.
Though, SST was pretty good even without them. Best scene:
ACE
"Sir, I don't understands who needs a
knife in a nuke fight anyway...
All you gotta do is push a button, sir!"
Zim yanks the knife out of the post.
ZIM
"Put your hand on the post, private."
Ace obeys. Zim throws, sticks his hand to the post.
ZIM
"The enemy cannot push a button if you
disable his hand. MEDIC!"
They had one kicka** training there. I wish we had training like that instead of the softie-stuff we have now. Trainer breakes your hand for whining and I always laughed at the "MEDIC!" right after ZIM "trained" some private <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Denise Richards.....mmmmmmmmmm <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
exactly!!
for all the f***ing SST book-lovers, lighten the hell up...
<b><i>christ!!!</i></b>
Ummmm, Max Payne?
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Military service starts in 18 hours. I can only hope Zim won't be there.
As for the movie itself, I think it was extremely enjoyable, once I realized that it doesn't take itself too seriously. At one point, I was extremely angry at the unbelievability, but after a few more viewings I "got" it, and after that it was a riot to watch.
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What I never understood about the film was in real life when an army goes to war it will airstrik the crap out of the battlefield, pound it with artillary then send in troops with heavy armour support. WHERE WERE THE TANKS?!?! And there was like one airstrike in the whole film. Insanity.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is what I was saying to myself. But then aren't the Marines the first to fight? Yea they could've used tanks though, the way the Marines were getting their arms handed to them. I mean cmon, if the aliens are going to send a huge friggin meteor and completely devastate one place. Why not do the same and nuke their behinds? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Once again just like in ALIENS
Earth armies seem to have little exprience with fighting the aliens.
They went in thinking they had everything under control, going in with lots of training etc.
but training for a human like enemy.
There was some book out there that goes into much detail about tons of information gathered from the movies, and books about the Starship Troopers Mobile Infantry, the ALIENS US colonial marines, the Star Trek Federation Navy, an the combined Star Wars Rebel and Imperial armys and navys,
To sum up,
Federation Navy: Military Force through a strong navy only, The Federation has virtualy no standing ground army. They rely on "away teams" of security personel (which in turn rely Heavily on fire support from space orbiting ships) if that is unavailable, Federation troops usualy suffer large casualties. Which they do anyways with or without it.
USCM: Uses the concept of small extremely heavily armed units of platoon strength. When deployed on missions or elsewhere outside of standard borders they are trained to be self reliant, however should anything go wrong they have to make due with what they have.
SST: Mobile Infantry: Uses brute strength and numbers to accomplish objectives. While not shown in the movies they do use high tech mechanized armour support units. However problems coordinating between army and navy exist and military excursions are usally sent in with an all or nothing approach.
Imperial and Rebel armies (particuarly the more standardized Imperial military) Good balance of coordination, air, and ground support and well balanced space fleets.
If all of these got into a fight:
The unsoported USCM kicks major **** but eventual gets run over, Federation ground forces die in first 15 min of battle, but their ships in orbit fair better, however the standard Federation fleet is both outgunned and out numbered by imperial star destroyers and rebel mon calmari cruisers. Mobile Infantry due very well but suffer large casualties from Heavy Imperial ground armour and air support. Starwars type fleets vs SST navy would be quiet a battle but Imperials would probably win out.
i could go into Babylon 5 and BattleStar Galactica but I think this post is long enough. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
In any case, the feds could simply bomb the planet using photon torpedoes from a high orbit, and asteroids thrown by bugs would be useless against planetary defenses such that exist in the 24th century.
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NS needs a mini nuke!
In any case, the feds could simply bomb the planet using photon torpedoes from a high orbit, and asteroids thrown by bugs would be useless against planetary defenses such that exist in the 24th century.
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Pfft.
The Kilgons have not been a major power in the Alpha Quadrant for decades.
The continue to do there small part but are a joke when it comes to the awesome might of Federation Technology.
The Cardasians are also a joke, after they lost the war with the dominion, they were left in ashes. The Romulans are the only Alpha Quadrant race that would be a problem in a war. The Federation dispite its many wars and major losses would still come out on top.
I think Star fleet would beet the SSTs navy!