My bad then. I seriously thought that Eric Clapton was raised in the united states. Guess you learn something new everyday huh?
Anyhow, to say metallica's drummer is dutch doesn't mean anything, since he lives in United states. I mean you could argue he isn't American because he has dutch heritage, but then you'd be basically saying nobody is American. If you want to argue that he doesn't have citizenship, well he does. You really can't get more american than that.
Fair enough, everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone has the cojones to own up to them (especially in Discussion!) <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And there's a difference between heritage (as in, MonsE has scottish heritage - yeah, from 1600!) and naturalization. A big one. I am American, through and through, with no ties of any kind to a foreign country. Lars still keeps a home there in holland, if i recall, and his family ties there are still strong. I'm not saying he's not an American, but I am saying that there is a definite difference between him and me, and it's not just his money-grubbing hypocritical BS whining to Congress about music downloads... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I am making this OT and I apologize. Let's get back to the posted thread, which is how somehow, someway, American artists put some sort of special subconcious brainwashing into their music which requires foreign governments to waste their taxpayer dollars on forcing them to listen to local music. Meanwhile, another few million African people starve to death or keel over from AIDS from lack of funding, so that Sum41 can get enough radio airtime. Bleh.
<!--QuoteBegin-MonsieurEvil+Feb 19 2004, 10:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Feb 19 2004, 10:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> American artists put some sort of special subconcious brainwashing into their music which requires foreign governments to waste their taxpayer dollars on forcing them to listen to local music. Meanwhile, another few million African people starve to death or keel over from AIDS from lack of funding, so that Sum41 can get enough radio airtime. Bleh. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I thought Sum41 was an american band? So basically another few million African people have to starve to death or keel over from AIDS from lack of funding so that Sum41 WON'T get anymore airtime. Edit: And I call that a bargain. /mean joke <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And Lars is from Denmark, not Holland, which isn't even a country btw.
And Lars said: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When somebody downloads a Metallica track, does it bother me? I can't honestly say that it bothers me anymore. I can't get too wound up about it, because it's not something I control.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So he doesn't whine about that, not anymore at least.
And MonsE is totally a Scott. I bet he wears a kilt and watches Braveheart thrice a week.
And I'm so OT, but that's okay, 'cause so are you... We've broken our quotes
And no, I'm not high, and if I were, I wouldn't give any of it to you. I'm just tired and off to neverneverland...
...but before I go, I want to salvage this post by saying: just look how balanced and well-heeled human I grew up, even though my heritage was brutally banged by first swedes and then ruskies.
I'm here all week, unless I get temp-banned, and then you have to wait for all week for me to come back. Good night everybody.
Lars IS from Denmark - I stand completely corrected. I am always confusing the two for some readon, to Immacolta's great disgust.
Lars also said "It's clear, then, that if music is free for downloading, the music industry is not viable; all the jobs I just talked about will be lost and the diverse voices of the artists will disappear. " ( <a href='http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=407' target='_blank'>http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=407</a> ).
I have never, and will never, wear a kilt. My ancestors were Borderers and Lowlanders, and they did not wear dresses.
Back on topic, before I suspend Dread. His life is in your hands. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Windelkron+Feb 18 2004, 10:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Feb 18 2004, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> let's be realistic, american culture is hegemonizing (is that a word?) the world. I'm glad people are trying to do as much as they can to hold back the tides of *Delia's, Limp Bizkit, and G-Unit. Jeez. Call me a culture nazi but I firmly believe that American culture is destructive to interesting, stimulating cultures that should continue to exist. It might be against The Rules, but sometimes you need to make exceptions to save something dear. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wouldn't that be a good thing? In fact... isn't the reason we go to war is because we cant understand the other group well enough to talk things over?
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Feb 19 2004, 09:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Feb 19 2004, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Windelkron+Feb 18 2004, 10:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Feb 18 2004, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> let's be realistic, american culture is hegemonizing (is that a word?) the world. I'm glad people are trying to do as much as they can to hold back the tides of *Delia's, Limp Bizkit, and G-Unit. Jeez. Call me a culture nazi but I firmly believe that American culture is destructive to interesting, stimulating cultures that should continue to exist. It might be against The Rules, but sometimes you need to make exceptions to save something dear. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wouldn't that be a good thing? In fact... isn't the reason we go to war is because we cant understand the other group well enough to talk things over? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Countries go to war, because the country's leaders have issues with another country for whatever reason and use propaganda to get support for it.
If a country never was given an international newspaper, I think they would care less what happens in some other country and whether or not to fight them. Media pumps things up way beyond what they should be.
Has nothing to do with culture. People don't fight because they do or don't eat cheese before the main meal.
sry, i've been away on a college trip (amherst owns) um, if you wanted an example, you could just go to asia. you just don't see businessmen in traditional style dress. it's all white shirt/black suits. every time I see those asian businessmen it makes me sick to my stomach (exagegration but yea), because I'm just thinking, what's their view of themselves that they have to pretend to be white?
whatever. you could also look at how the american media's trend to the risque is affecting other cultures, causing people all over the world to abandon their native cultures so they can dress and act like americans. i pay for it with my credit card! (whoever gets the reference gets a cookie)
So we're back to the whole American culture forces others to abandon their culture bit? Because that is what you're implying.
I guess its America's fault because part of the culture believes in the free exchange of ideas and opinions... And leaving it up to the individuals to decide what they do or do not like.
Don't blame American culture for others not liking their own culture or preferring ours. American culture is not forced on anyone. It is not our fault so many people like it.
Business suits are in no way related to being white. People all over the world wear them, and although it may have started in America, every single innovation that has spread around the world has to have started someplace. If you one of those who propose to live "traditionally", you can go to a cave and live like your ancestors traditionally did.
<!--QuoteBegin-Menix+Feb 20 2004, 10:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Menix @ Feb 20 2004, 10:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Business suits are in no way related to being white. People all over the world wear them, and although it may have started in America, every single innovation that has spread around the world has to have started someplace. If you one of those who propose to live "traditionally", you can go to a cave and live like your ancestors traditionally did. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> To be technical you would have to go somewhere in eastern Africa and find a mud puddle to live in, to be like your original ancestors.
They don't force our radio stations because....well, China still can't control us after that deal with Britain <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But seriously, why force people to listen to cultural music? They will just turn it off if they don't like it. It's just like me lip synching because I hate my school's song (and Im wondering WTH did it)
People choose to believe what is right or what is wrong. You can't force a poor person in China's slums to not eat cockroaches, because they believe it is right. I believe that it is right to stab someone with chopsticks for one. My friend believes that body-building is wrong. My mom believes we don't need a new DVD player.
No matter how much they will try to control, they cannot stop the human mind because the human mind does what it thinks is right. You can only influence, not force.
And now....back to what MonsE was saying....if I may, in bold <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <b>GET BACK ON-TOPIC BEFORE HE SUSPENDS DREAD!</b> yeesh
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Guess you learn something new everyday huh?
Anyhow, to say metallica's drummer is dutch doesn't mean anything, since he lives in United states. I mean you could argue he isn't American because he has dutch heritage, but then you'd be basically saying nobody is American. If you want to argue that he doesn't have citizenship, well he does. You really can't get more american than that.
And there's a difference between heritage (as in, MonsE has scottish heritage - yeah, from 1600!) and naturalization. A big one. I am American, through and through, with no ties of any kind to a foreign country. Lars still keeps a home there in holland, if i recall, and his family ties there are still strong. I'm not saying he's not an American, but I am saying that there is a definite difference between him and me, and it's not just his money-grubbing hypocritical BS whining to Congress about music downloads... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I am making this OT and I apologize. Let's get back to the posted thread, which is how somehow, someway, American artists put some sort of special subconcious brainwashing into their music which requires foreign governments to waste their taxpayer dollars on forcing them to listen to local music. Meanwhile, another few million African people starve to death or keel over from AIDS from lack of funding, so that Sum41 can get enough radio airtime. Bleh.
I thought Sum41 was an american band? So basically another few million African people have to starve to death or keel over from AIDS from lack of funding so that Sum41 WON'T get anymore airtime. Edit: And I call that a bargain. /mean joke <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And Lars is from Denmark, not Holland, which isn't even a country btw.
And Lars said: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When somebody downloads a Metallica track, does it bother me? I can't honestly say that it bothers me anymore. I can't get too wound up about it, because it's not something I control.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So he doesn't whine about that, not anymore at least.
And MonsE is totally a Scott. I bet he wears a kilt and watches Braveheart thrice a week.
And I'm so OT, but that's okay, 'cause so are you...
We've broken our quotes
And no, I'm not high, and if I were, I wouldn't give any of it to you. I'm just tired and off to neverneverland...
...but before I go, I want to salvage this post by saying: just look how balanced and well-heeled human I grew up, even though my heritage was brutally banged by first swedes and then ruskies.
I'm here all week, unless I get temp-banned, and then you have to wait for all week for me to come back. Good night everybody.
Lars IS from Denmark - I stand completely corrected. I am always confusing the two for some readon, to Immacolta's great disgust.
Lars also said "It's clear, then, that if music is free for downloading, the music industry is not viable; all the jobs I just talked about will be lost and the diverse voices of the artists will disappear. " ( <a href='http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=407' target='_blank'>http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=407</a> ).
I have never, and will never, wear a kilt. My ancestors were Borderers and Lowlanders, and they did not wear dresses.
Back on topic, before I suspend Dread. His life is in your hands. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Wouldn't that be a good thing? In fact... isn't the reason we go to war is because we cant understand the other group well enough to talk things over?
Wouldn't that be a good thing? In fact... isn't the reason we go to war is because we cant understand the other group well enough to talk things over? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Countries go to war, because the country's leaders have issues with another country for whatever reason and use propaganda to get support for it.
If a country never was given an international newspaper, I think they would care less what happens in some other country and whether or not to fight them. Media pumps things up way beyond what they should be.
Has nothing to do with culture. People don't fight because they do or don't eat cheese before the main meal.
um, if you wanted an example, you could just go to asia. you just don't see businessmen in traditional style dress. it's all white shirt/black suits. every time I see those asian businessmen it makes me sick to my stomach (exagegration but yea), because I'm just thinking, what's their view of themselves that they have to pretend to be white?
whatever. you could also look at how the american media's trend to the risque is affecting other cultures, causing people all over the world to abandon their native cultures so they can dress and act like americans. i pay for it with my credit card!
(whoever gets the reference gets a cookie)
I guess its America's fault because part of the culture believes in the free exchange of ideas and opinions... And leaving it up to the individuals to decide what they do or do not like.
Don't blame American culture for others not liking their own culture or preferring ours. American culture is not forced on anyone. It is not our fault so many people like it.
To be technical you would have to go somewhere in eastern Africa and find a mud puddle to live in, to be like your original ancestors.
But seriously, why force people to listen to cultural music? They will just turn it off if they don't like it. It's just like me lip synching because I hate my school's song (and Im wondering WTH did it)
People choose to believe what is right or what is wrong. You can't force a poor person in China's slums to not eat cockroaches, because they believe it is right.
I believe that it is right to stab someone with chopsticks for one. My friend believes that body-building is wrong. My mom believes we don't need a new DVD player.
No matter how much they will try to control, they cannot stop the human mind because the human mind does what it thinks is right. You can only influence, not force.
And now....back to what MonsE was saying....if I may, in bold <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>GET BACK ON-TOPIC BEFORE HE SUSPENDS DREAD!</b>
yeesh