<!--QuoteBegin-Transmission+Mar 22 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Transmission @ Mar 22 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And isn't it "A fool and his money are soon parted" ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> More than likely <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-DuBERS+Mar 21 2004, 11:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuBERS @ Mar 21 2004, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Exactly, we are the beginning of the end for the human race. We consistently ignore the harfull effects of the things we put in our bodies because untill we get ill it's not our problem but by then it's too late. We are infecting the gene pool to with our pollution and it will probably be our undoing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think that's a rather gruesome view you have there. We ingest many harmful materials, yes. But our bodies come packed with an immune system - one that actually gains more immunity with each virus/bacteria introduced into the system! I don't see why I should worry about what sort of germs into which I'm coming in contact, when I see no adverse reaction to such germs. To fret over things unseen and unfelt only makes one entirely neurotic, and surely leads to obsessive compulsivism.
We are living in a world that is dangerous to our health. There is little we can do to stop that. And worrying about such things isn't going to make life any better, or easier!
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<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 21 2004, 11:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 21 2004, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think that's a rather gruesome view you have there. We ingest many harmful materials, yes. But our bodies come packed with an immune system - one that actually gains more immunity with each virus/bacteria introduced into the system! I don't see why I should worry about what sort of germs into which I'm coming in contact, when I see no adverse reaction to such germs. To fret over things unseen and unfelt only makes one entirely neurotic, and surely leads to obsessive compulsivism.
We are living in a world that is dangerous to our health. There is little we can do to stop that. And worrying about such things isn't going to make life any better, or easier! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well how would you know if these things had little to no effect on you? You have nothing to compare to. And as for the immune system, I don't care how strong your lymphatic system is lots-o-cancer=dead (or at least pretty darned sick).
And of course there are things we can do, it's just that noone bothers to do them, because these self-destructive behaviours are to deeply ingrained in what society thinks is the right way of doing things. You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried?
<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Mar 22 2004, 04:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Mar 22 2004, 04:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 21 2004, 11:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 21 2004, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think that's a rather gruesome view you have there. We ingest many harmful materials, yes. But our bodies come packed with an immune system - one that actually gains more immunity with each virus/bacteria introduced into the system! I don't see why I should worry about what sort of germs into which I'm coming in contact, when I see no adverse reaction to such germs. To fret over things unseen and unfelt only makes one entirely neurotic, and surely leads to obsessive compulsivism.
We are living in a world that is dangerous to our health. There is little we can do to stop that. And worrying about such things isn't going to make life any better, or easier! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well how would you know if these things had little to no effect on you? You have nothing to compare to. And as for the immune system, I don't care how strong your lymphatic system is lots-o-cancer=dead (or at least pretty darned sick).
And of course there are things we can do, it's just that noone bothers to do them, because these self-destructive behaviours are to deeply ingrained in what society thinks is the right way of doing things. You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thank you!
<!--QuoteBegin-Kaze+Mar 21 2004, 11:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kaze @ Mar 21 2004, 11:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, I didn't buy any becuase I heard it was straight from a tap in Peckham, and made by Coca Cola, and now im <i>very</i> glad I didn't. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dasani comes not only from Peckham, but there isa second tap in Gravesend! Wow, those guys are discreet.
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Mar 22 2004, 01:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Mar 22 2004, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Amen Dub. Heres a few facts for you:
Growing up in a city and moving to a rural area accentuate your death age by 5 years.
Natural Air in any place but rural areas causes Lung Cancer.
Being within 40 feet of someone smoking will effect your lungs just as bad as smoking, if not worse.
There is 4-10 traces of cyanide for every hamburger. There are 15-20 traces for every steak.
There are a lot more. Just look on any environmental health site. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How I dearly hate this kind of pseudo-scientific bulls**t.
What exactly is the SI unit for a "Trace"?
Within 40 feet? What the hell is that calculated on? An open area with no walls, no wind and no tendency for hot smoke to rise?
Don't want cancer? eat ONLY organic raw tomatoes. The plastic used to bottle all drinks is a mild carcinagen, as well as lead aluminum and copper all being mild carcingens as well, so you really can't drink anything unless you get it from a lake or river, and chances are that someone has dumped some sort of carcinigenic chemicals in your lake anyways. Now for eating, most of our food comes wrapped in plastics, which are carcinagenic. other than that nearly everything we buy is either plastered with pest repellent at one stage in its life, or pumped full of antibiotics and steriods of some type. comforting thoughts when you consider that the vast majority of chemicals are carinegenic. So really you can only buy organic foods (but don't use coins, lots of those metals are carcinigenic) and you can't cook it, charcol is highly carcinigenic. Tomatoes are antioxydents so they will prevent you from getting cancer (you gotta counter all that industrial waste you breathe in every day somehow), so if you don't cook them, and are sure that they are grow without any preservatives, you have a very good chance of not getting cancer. Have fun dying of malnutrition <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Mar 22 2004, 12:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Mar 22 2004, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Kaze+Mar 21 2004, 11:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kaze @ Mar 21 2004, 11:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, I didn't buy any becuase I heard it was straight from a tap in Peckham, and made by Coca Cola, and now im <i>very</i> glad I didn't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dasani comes not only from Peckham, but there isa second tap in Gravesend! Wow, those guys are discreet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Who the hell drinks water from a place called <span style='color:red'>Grave</span>send
<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Mar 21 2004, 07:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Mar 21 2004, 07:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm gonna have to go with George Carlin in this one, a little cancer never hurt nobody. Keeps you on your toes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly, I like to keep my immune system in tip top shape.
Now a bit from Dennis Leary's *No Cure For Cancer*
I love to smoke. I smoke seven thousand packs a day, ok. And I am never freaking quitting! I don't care how many laws they make. What's the law now? You can only smoke in your apartment, under a blanket, with all the lights out? Is that the rule now, huh?! The cops are outside, "We know you have the cigarettes. Come out of the house with the cigarettes above your head." "You'll never get me copper! I'm never coming out, you hear? I got a cigarette machine right here in my bedroom. Yeah!"
Know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get one of those tracheotomies. So I can smoke two cigarettes at the same time. I'm gonna get nine tracheotomies all the way around my neck. I'll be Tracheotomie Man! "He can smoke a pack at a time! He's Tracheotomie Man!"
I'm looking forward to cancer, man. I want that throat cancer. That's the best kind. You know why? You get that throat cancer, you get that voice box thing. Know what I'm talking about? ..[Talking as if has a voice box].. Sure it's scary, but you can make a lot of money with a voice box. Get a voice box, walking around the streets of Manhattan, "[VB] You got any spare change?" "Ahhh!! Here's my whole wallet, get away from me! Ahh!"
Imagine a whole family with voice boxes. That'd be creepy, wouldn't it? They'd be out in that backyard everyday during the summer. "[VB] Dad, can we go to the beach?" "[VB] Yes, get your mother and the dog. We'll leave right now. Sparky, come here." "[VB] Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf" Ahhhh!!
Or the ultimate irony. A guy with a voice box pulling up to the drive through window at McDonald's. That has to suck, huh? "Can I help you?" "[VB] Big Mac and a large order of fries." "Stop making fun of me." "[VB] I'm not making fun of you." "I'm getting the manager." "[VB] Get the freaking manager, I don't care."
I can remember a time in this country when men were proud to get cancer, God dammit! When it was a sign of manhood! John Wayne had cancer twice. Second time, they took out one of his lungs. He said, "Take 'em both! Cuz I don't ****' need 'em! I'll grow gills and breathe like a fish!"
Babe Ruth, greatest baseball player to ever play the game. He had a voic box. He was the first American to have a voice box. Yeah! "[VB] This is Babe Ruth, the Sultan of Swat, the Bambino, I smoke twenty-five God damn cuban cigars a day. I had meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I **** eighteen prostitutes a night! 'course, I'm dead now. I'm up here in heaven. Lou Gehrig is up here with me. God love Lou Gehrig. Jesus Christ, poor Lou Gehrig. Died of Lou Gehrig's disease. How the hell did he not see that coming? You know. We used to tell him, Lou, there's a disease with your name all over it, pal! There ain't no Babe Ruth disease, I'll tell you that much right now. Have a hot dog and a Hummer. Go ahead, it's on me."
I don't know. Personally, I think Billy Martin said it best when he said, "Hey! I can drive!" Because we tried to be nice to you non-smokers. We freaking tried. Okay? You wanted your own sections in the restaurants. We gave you that, huh. But that wasn't enough for you. Then you wanted the airplanes. We gave you the whole God damn plane! You happy now? You own the freaking plane! I'd like an explanation about that one folks because I will guarantee you if the plane is going down, the first announcement you're gonna hear is, "Folks, this is your Captain speaking. Look, uhm, light 'em up, 'cause we're going down, okay. I got a carton of Camels non-filters, I'll see you on the ground. Take it easy." Actually, it'd be more like this, "[VB] This is your Captain speaking. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Rrrr Rrrr"
The filters the best part. That's where they put the heroine. Only us real good smokers know that freaking secret. Yeah, we tried to be nice to you non-smokers. We tried. But you just freaking badger us, you know? You won't leave us alone! You got all your little speeches you're always giving to us. All these little facts that you dig out of a newspaper or pamphlet and you store that little nugget in your little freaking head, and we light up and you spew 'em out at us, don't ya? I love these little facts. "Well you know. Smoking takes ten years off your life." Well it's the ten worst years, isn't it folks? It's the ones at the end! It's the wheelchair kidney dialysis freaking years. You can have those years! We don't want 'em, alright!? And I guarantee if I'm still alive, I'll be smoking then. I'll be in my wheelchair, with my adult diapers on and my twenty-five year old non- smoking born again christian son behind me. I'll be going, "Hey! Make sure you wipe this time. I was itching all week for Christ's sake! And get me some more wippets. I'm almost out, you freaking ****! Come on!"
Because you're always telling us, "You know, ever cigarette takes six minutes off your life. If you quit now you can live an extra ten years. If you quit now, you can live an extra twenty years." Hey, I got two words for you, ok. Jim Fix. Remember Jim Fix? The big famous jogging guy? Jogged fifteen miles a day. Did a jogging book. Did a jogging video. Dropped out of a heart attack when? When he was freaking jogging, that's when! What do you wanna bet it was two smokers who found the body the next morning and went, "Hey! That's Jim Fix, isn't it?" "Wow, what a freaking tragedy. Come on, lets go buy some buds."
It's always the yogurt sprout eating mother **** who get run over buy a bus drive by a guy who smokes three and a half packs a day. "Sorry officer, I didn't see him. I was too busy smoking!"
<!--QuoteBegin-DaMu+Mar 22 2004, 09:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DaMu @ Mar 22 2004, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Mar 22 2004, 12:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Mar 22 2004, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Kaze+Mar 21 2004, 11:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kaze @ Mar 21 2004, 11:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, I didn't buy any becuase I heard it was straight from a tap in Peckham, and made by Coca Cola, and now im <i>very</i> glad I didn't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dasani comes not only from Peckham, but there isa second tap in Gravesend! Wow, those guys are discreet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Who the hell drinks water from a place called <span style='color:red'>Grave</span>send <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ROFL!!! XD
This is why I drink Mineral water, and not filtered water o.O...
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<!--QuoteBegin-Flint Paper+Mar 21 2004, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flint Paper @ Mar 21 2004, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Taken from the Dasani website:
<img src='http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/water.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> there's <i>SPUNK</i> in the water!? D:
<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Mar 22 2004, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Mar 22 2004, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Flint Paper+Mar 21 2004, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flint Paper @ Mar 21 2004, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Taken from the Dasani website:
<img src='http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/water.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> there's <i>SPUNK</i> in the water!? D: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How do you think we communists raise funds? I happen to be quite verile.
<!--QuoteBegin-tseepra+Mar 21 2004, 06:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tseepra @ Mar 21 2004, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What can one say to that? Take tap water add cancer and put a big price on it, I don't see how you could make a worse product. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> bundle it with Steam
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 21 2004, 08:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 21 2004, 08:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How could you forget NASA's greatest invention!??
<b>VELCRO!</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't velcro invented a couple hundred years ago by a Swiss (Swedish?) fellow who noticed how burrs clung to his clothing via the use of dozens of small hooks?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Well how would you know if these things had little to no effect on you? You have nothing to compare to.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure I do... the past 20 years of my life (nearing 21, yay for me - no, no beer). I can tell when my body feels different. Heh, can't you?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>And as for the immune system, I don't care how strong your lymphatic system is lots-o-cancer=dead (or at least pretty ****ed sick).</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I wasn't really referring to cancer when I talked about the immune system.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>And of course there are things we can do, it's just that noone bothers to do them, because these self-destructive behaviours are to deeply ingrained in what society thinks is the right way of doing things. You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you totally lost me on this. I don't even know if you're talking to me here, because this has nothing to do with the quote of mine used in your post. However, I will assume it is intended for me, and will respond as best I can.
I'm not sure to what destructive behavior you are referring, so I can't make a comment on that. As for your second comment, <i>"You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried?"</i> my answer is, yes, of course they could. Isn't that obvious? But to do so would take far too much work, and the average person is lazy. One doesn't have the time to have a farm/orchard/garden in a backyard, and still keep the nice home, car, and job to pay for it all.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But our bodies come packed with an immune system - one that actually gains more immunity with each virus/bacteria introduced into the system!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not exactly, you see the immune system functions firstly by recognising a threat and then stopping it. After it has done so, it then remembers (adaptive) the bug and is more efficient in squishing it the next time. However, a different serotype (new antigen coat for example) fools the immune system, which is trained to only recognise what the invader looked like last time. So technically it only functions very well against what it has already seen, and doesn't improve overly much when it sees many different kinds of organisms: it has to respond to each individual pathogen from scratch again.
As for cancer, cancer stuffs your immune system deliberately. They often express Fas or cytokines (Immune signalling molecules) that downregulate the immune system. Hence why they are out of control and a threat to begin with.
As for water giving you cancer, I blambe the underpants gnomes.
<!--QuoteBegin-Aegeri+Mar 23 2004, 04:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Mar 23 2004, 04:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After it has done so, it then remembers (adaptive) the bug and is more efficient in squishing it the next time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Which... was my point. When I made the post, I understood that there are mutations. My point was that after being afflicted with a cold virus, we are more than likely to never be afflicted with that same virus again. Mutations, perhaps; but even a mutation can bear <b>some</b> likeness to its earlier form, which could give an edge to the immune system.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mutations, perhaps; but even a mutation can bear some likeness to its earlier form, which could give an edge to the immune system<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not exactly, because the immune system recognises highly specific things, right down to individual amino acids. If just one is changed then it thwarts the entire immune system. So it has to start from scratch again.
There are also examples where you don't want the immune system to deal with certain things itself. <i>Steptococcus</i> type A for example, will actually cause your heart valves to be attacked by the immune system because its outer coat antigens resemble human proteins.
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<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 23 2004, 01:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 23 2004, 01:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Well how would you know if these things had little to no effect on you? You have nothing to compare to.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure I do... the past 20 years of my life (nearing 21, yay for me - no, no beer). I can tell when my body feels different. Heh, can't you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well I'm talking in general, you say your body is no worse off for living in this dangerous world where we put these things that are potentially harmful into your body, have you ever lived in a world where you did NOT put these things into you? That's like a smoker who hsa smoked his whole life saying "I'm no worse off for smoking." They do not have a non-smoking example to compare to, does that mean that they will be no better when they stop?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, I wasn't really referring to cancer when I talked about the immune system.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well this thread is about cancer isn't it? And I am not referring to diseases when I say this, germs are alright, the bady can deal with germs. What I'm talking about is the many artificial things in todays food, things that your body is NOt deisnged to fight.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And you totally lost me on this. I don't even know if you're talking to me here, because this has nothing to do with the quote of mine used in your post. However, I will assume it is intended for me, and will respond as best I can.
I'm not sure to what destructive behavior you are referring, so I can't make a comment on that. As for your second comment, "You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried?" my answer is, yes, of course they could. Isn't that obvious? But to do so would take far too much work, and the average person is lazy. One doesn't have the time to have a farm/orchard/garden in a backyard, and still keep the nice home, car, and job to pay for it all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why must the burden lie on the consumer? As you say, the average consumer is too busy/lazy to grow their own food, but does that mean that the food that one buys can't be just as healthy? Part of the responsibily must rest on the producers, on agribussines, and on government to regulate the products. Saying that it would take too much work is simply a lazy attitude. And the thing is, it really wouldn't take much actual WORK at all, it would just cause the people who provide these products a few extra bucks, which they of course are not willing to give up.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Well I'm talking in general, you say your body is no worse off for living in this dangerous world where we put these things that are potentially harmful into your body, have you ever lived in a world where you did NOT put these things into you?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's splitting hairs. I'm not pondering "what could be" or another sort of reality. What I have is here. I know how I feel normally. If I feel differently, I know that something is awry. I don't then ask myself "Hmm... what if I felt <b>even better</b> than this in a lifestyle I cannot acheive?" To do so is pointless.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>That's like a smoker who hsa smoked his whole life saying "I'm no worse off for smoking." They do not have a non-smoking example to compare to, does that mean that they will be no better when they stop?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it's not! My point is that if the smoker noticed his health failing, <b>he would know something is wrong with his body.</b> Do you seriously ask yourself the possibility of having an alternate reality where you feel even better than in your "healthy" state, whenever you feel the onset of a cold or flu virus?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Well this thread is about cancer isn't it? And I am not referring to diseases when I say this, germs are alright, the bady can deal with germs. What I'm talking about is the many artificial things in todays food, things that your body is NOt deisnged to fight.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, it was about cancer. I apologize for the confusion. I was referring to a post made in a topic about cancer: but not all posts directly relate to the topic in a thread, which was the case with my reply.
I think you have the wrong idea about the artificial ingredients in todays foods.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Why must the burden lie on the consumer? As you say, the average consumer is too busy/lazy to grow their own food, but does that mean that the food that one buys can't be just as healthy?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it generally can't. The problem is people want quick, easy, and good tasting food options. Making food that is good for a person, while remaining good tasting takes longer, and is harder to make, than most people want. On top of that, fast food is loaded with carbs, which "taste" good to the body.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Part of the responsibily must rest on the producers, on agribussines, and on government to regulate the products. Saying that it would take too much work is simply a lazy attitude. And the thing is, it really wouldn't take much actual WORK at all, it would just cause the people who provide these products a few extra bucks, which they of course are not willing to give up.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm confused... didn't Coca-Cola pull the water off the shelves <b>immediately</b>? And aren't they going to re-release a product that follows proper code?
One cannot have fast food, and have it be healthy. Good, healthy food <b>generally</b> takes longer to make, and time is too precious for most people to worry about the cost of a healthy life.
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I think that's a rather gruesome view you have there. We ingest many harmful materials, yes. But our bodies come packed with an immune system - one that actually gains more immunity with each virus/bacteria introduced into the system! I don't see why I should worry about what sort of germs into which I'm coming in contact, when I see no adverse reaction to such germs. To fret over things unseen and unfelt only makes one entirely neurotic, and surely leads to obsessive compulsivism.
We are living in a world that is dangerous to our health. There is little we can do to stop that. And worrying about such things isn't going to make life any better, or easier!
We are living in a world that is dangerous to our health. There is little we can do to stop that. And worrying about such things isn't going to make life any better, or easier! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well how would you know if these things had little to no effect on you? You have nothing to compare to. And as for the immune system, I don't care how strong your lymphatic system is lots-o-cancer=dead (or at least pretty darned sick).
And of course there are things we can do, it's just that noone bothers to do them, because these self-destructive behaviours are to deeply ingrained in what society thinks is the right way of doing things. You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried?
We are living in a world that is dangerous to our health. There is little we can do to stop that. And worrying about such things isn't going to make life any better, or easier! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well how would you know if these things had little to no effect on you? You have nothing to compare to. And as for the immune system, I don't care how strong your lymphatic system is lots-o-cancer=dead (or at least pretty darned sick).
And of course there are things we can do, it's just that noone bothers to do them, because these self-destructive behaviours are to deeply ingrained in what society thinks is the right way of doing things. You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank you!
Dasani comes not only from Peckham, but there isa second tap in Gravesend! Wow, those guys are discreet.
Growing up in a city and moving to a rural area accentuate your death age by 5 years.
Natural Air in any place but rural areas causes Lung Cancer.
Being within 40 feet of someone smoking will effect your lungs just as bad as smoking, if not worse.
There is 4-10 traces of cyanide for every hamburger. There are 15-20 traces for every steak.
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How I dearly hate this kind of pseudo-scientific bulls**t.
What exactly is the SI unit for a "Trace"?
Within 40 feet? What the hell is that calculated on? An open area with no walls, no wind and no tendency for hot smoke to rise?
Facts my arse...
--Scythe--
Dasani comes not only from Peckham, but there isa second tap in Gravesend! Wow, those guys are discreet.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who the hell drinks water from a place called <span style='color:red'>Grave</span>send
Exactly, I like to keep my immune system in tip top shape.
Now a bit from Dennis Leary's *No Cure For Cancer*
I love to smoke. I smoke seven thousand packs a day, ok. And I am never freaking quitting! I don't care how many laws they make. What's the law now? You can only smoke in your apartment, under a blanket, with all the lights out? Is that the rule now, huh?! The cops are outside, "We know you have the cigarettes. Come out of the house with the cigarettes above your head." "You'll never get me copper! I'm never coming out, you hear? I got a cigarette machine right here in my bedroom. Yeah!"
Know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get one of those tracheotomies. So I can smoke two cigarettes at the same time. I'm gonna get nine tracheotomies all the way around my neck. I'll be Tracheotomie Man! "He can smoke a pack at a time! He's Tracheotomie Man!"
I'm looking forward to cancer, man. I want that throat cancer. That's the best kind. You know why? You get that throat cancer, you get that voice box thing. Know what I'm talking about? ..[Talking as if has a voice box].. Sure it's scary, but you can make a lot of money with a voice box. Get a voice box, walking around the streets of Manhattan, "[VB] You got any spare change?" "Ahhh!! Here's my whole wallet, get away from me! Ahh!"
Imagine a whole family with voice boxes. That'd be creepy, wouldn't it? They'd be out in that backyard everyday during the summer. "[VB] Dad, can we go to the beach?" "[VB] Yes, get your mother and the dog. We'll leave right now. Sparky, come here." "[VB] Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf" Ahhhh!!
Or the ultimate irony. A guy with a voice box pulling up to the drive through window at McDonald's. That has to suck, huh? "Can I help you?" "[VB] Big Mac and a large order of fries." "Stop making fun of me." "[VB] I'm not making fun of you." "I'm getting the manager." "[VB] Get the freaking manager, I don't care."
I can remember a time in this country when men were proud to get cancer, God dammit! When it was a sign of manhood! John Wayne had cancer twice. Second time, they took out one of his lungs. He said, "Take 'em both! Cuz I don't ****' need 'em! I'll grow gills and breathe like a fish!"
Babe Ruth, greatest baseball player to ever play the game. He had a voic box. He was the first American to have a voice box. Yeah! "[VB] This is Babe Ruth, the Sultan of Swat, the Bambino, I smoke twenty-five God damn cuban cigars a day. I had meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I **** eighteen prostitutes a night! 'course, I'm dead now. I'm up here in heaven. Lou Gehrig is up here with me. God love Lou Gehrig. Jesus Christ, poor Lou Gehrig. Died of Lou Gehrig's disease. How the hell did he not see that coming? You know. We used to tell him, Lou, there's a disease with your name all over it, pal! There ain't no Babe Ruth disease, I'll tell you that much right now. Have a hot dog and a Hummer. Go ahead, it's on me."
I don't know. Personally, I think Billy Martin said it best when he said, "Hey! I can drive!" Because we tried to be nice to you non-smokers. We freaking tried. Okay? You wanted your own sections in the restaurants. We gave you that, huh. But that wasn't enough for you. Then you wanted the airplanes. We gave you the whole God damn plane! You happy now? You own the freaking plane! I'd like an explanation about that one folks because I will guarantee you if the plane is going down, the first announcement you're gonna hear is, "Folks, this is your Captain speaking. Look, uhm, light 'em up, 'cause we're going down, okay. I got a carton of Camels non-filters, I'll see you on the ground. Take it easy." Actually, it'd be more like this, "[VB] This is your Captain speaking. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Rrrr Rrrr"
The filters the best part. That's where they put the heroine. Only us real good smokers know that freaking secret. Yeah, we tried to be nice to you non-smokers. We tried. But you just freaking badger us, you know? You won't leave us alone! You got all your little speeches you're always giving to us. All these little facts that you dig out of a newspaper or pamphlet and you store that little nugget in your little freaking head, and we light up and you spew 'em out at us, don't ya? I love these little facts. "Well you know. Smoking takes ten years off your life." Well it's the ten worst years, isn't it folks? It's the ones at the end! It's the wheelchair kidney dialysis freaking years. You can have those years! We don't want 'em, alright!? And I guarantee if I'm still alive, I'll be smoking then. I'll be in my wheelchair, with my adult diapers on and my twenty-five year old non- smoking born again christian son behind me. I'll be going, "Hey! Make sure you wipe this time. I was itching all week for Christ's sake! And get me some more wippets. I'm almost out, you freaking ****! Come on!"
Because you're always telling us, "You know, ever cigarette takes six minutes off your life. If you quit now you can live an extra ten years. If you quit now, you can live an extra twenty years." Hey, I got two words for you, ok. Jim Fix. Remember Jim Fix? The big famous jogging guy? Jogged fifteen miles a day. Did a jogging book. Did a jogging video. Dropped out of a heart attack when? When he was freaking jogging, that's when! What do you wanna bet it was two smokers who found the body the next morning and went, "Hey! That's Jim Fix, isn't it?" "Wow, what a freaking tragedy. Come on, lets go buy some buds."
It's always the yogurt sprout eating mother **** who get run over buy a bus drive by a guy who smokes three and a half packs a day. "Sorry officer, I didn't see him. I was too busy smoking!"
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Who the hell drinks water from a place called <span style='color:red'>Grave</span>send <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ROFL!!! XD
This is why I drink Mineral water, and not filtered water o.O...
Or it's just some stupid joke, can't tell the diffrence.
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there's <i>SPUNK</i> in the water!? D:
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there's <i>SPUNK</i> in the water!? D: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you think we communists raise funds? I happen to be quite verile.
bundle it with Steam
<b>VELCRO!</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't velcro invented a couple hundred years ago by a Swiss (Swedish?) fellow who noticed how burrs clung to his clothing via the use of dozens of small hooks?
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Sure I do... the past 20 years of my life (nearing 21, yay for me - no, no beer). I can tell when my body feels different. Heh, can't you?
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Well, I wasn't really referring to cancer when I talked about the immune system.
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And you totally lost me on this. I don't even know if you're talking to me here, because this has nothing to do with the quote of mine used in your post. However, I will assume it is intended for me, and will respond as best I can.
I'm not sure to what destructive behavior you are referring, so I can't make a comment on that. As for your second comment, <i>"You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried?"</i> my answer is, yes, of course they could. Isn't that obvious? But to do so would take far too much work, and the average person is lazy. One doesn't have the time to have a farm/orchard/garden in a backyard, and still keep the nice home, car, and job to pay for it all.
omg CANCER!
Not exactly, you see the immune system functions firstly by recognising a threat and then stopping it. After it has done so, it then remembers (adaptive) the bug and is more efficient in squishing it the next time. However, a different serotype (new antigen coat for example) fools the immune system, which is trained to only recognise what the invader looked like last time. So technically it only functions very well against what it has already seen, and doesn't improve overly much when it sees many different kinds of organisms: it has to respond to each individual pathogen from scratch again.
As for cancer, cancer stuffs your immune system deliberately. They often express Fas or cytokines (Immune signalling molecules) that downregulate the immune system. Hence why they are out of control and a threat to begin with.
As for water giving you cancer, I blambe the underpants gnomes.
Which... was my point. When I made the post, I understood that there are mutations. My point was that after being afflicted with a cold virus, we are more than likely to never be afflicted with that same virus again. Mutations, perhaps; but even a mutation can bear <b>some</b> likeness to its earlier form, which could give an edge to the immune system.
Not exactly, because the immune system recognises highly specific things, right down to individual amino acids. If just one is changed then it thwarts the entire immune system. So it has to start from scratch again.
There are also examples where you don't want the immune system to deal with certain things itself. <i>Steptococcus</i> type A for example, will actually cause your heart valves to be attacked by the immune system because its outer coat antigens resemble human proteins.
Live Fast. Die Young.
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~ DarkATi
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Well I'm talking in general, you say your body is no worse off for living in this dangerous world where we put these things that are potentially harmful into your body, have you ever lived in a world where you did NOT put these things into you? That's like a smoker who hsa smoked his whole life saying "I'm no worse off for smoking." They do not have a non-smoking example to compare to, does that mean that they will be no better when they stop?
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Well this thread is about cancer isn't it? And I am not referring to diseases when I say this, germs are alright, the bady can deal with germs. What I'm talking about is the many artificial things in todays food, things that your body is NOt deisnged to fight.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And you totally lost me on this. I don't even know if you're talking to me here, because this has nothing to do with the quote of mine used in your post. However, I will assume it is intended for me, and will respond as best I can.
I'm not sure to what destructive behavior you are referring, so I can't make a comment on that. As for your second comment, "You think food couldn't really be made healthier if people REALLY tried?" my answer is, yes, of course they could. Isn't that obvious? But to do so would take far too much work, and the average person is lazy. One doesn't have the time to have a farm/orchard/garden in a backyard, and still keep the nice home, car, and job to pay for it all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why must the burden lie on the consumer? As you say, the average consumer is too busy/lazy to grow their own food, but does that mean that the food that one buys can't be just as healthy? Part of the responsibily must rest on the producers, on agribussines, and on government to regulate the products. Saying that it would take too much work is simply a lazy attitude. And the thing is, it really wouldn't take much actual WORK at all, it would just cause the people who provide these products a few extra bucks, which they of course are not willing to give up.
That's splitting hairs. I'm not pondering "what could be" or another sort of reality. What I have is here. I know how I feel normally. If I feel differently, I know that something is awry. I don't then ask myself "Hmm... what if I felt <b>even better</b> than this in a lifestyle I cannot acheive?" To do so is pointless.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>That's like a smoker who hsa smoked his whole life saying "I'm no worse off for smoking." They do not have a non-smoking example to compare to, does that mean that they will be no better when they stop?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, it's not! My point is that if the smoker noticed his health failing, <b>he would know something is wrong with his body.</b> Do you seriously ask yourself the possibility of having an alternate reality where you feel even better than in your "healthy" state, whenever you feel the onset of a cold or flu virus?
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Yes, it was about cancer. I apologize for the confusion. I was referring to a post made in a topic about cancer: but not all posts directly relate to the topic in a thread, which was the case with my reply.
I think you have the wrong idea about the artificial ingredients in todays foods.
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No, it generally can't. The problem is people want quick, easy, and good tasting food options. Making food that is good for a person, while remaining good tasting takes longer, and is harder to make, than most people want. On top of that, fast food is loaded with carbs, which "taste" good to the body.
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I'm confused... didn't Coca-Cola pull the water off the shelves <b>immediately</b>? And aren't they going to re-release a product that follows proper code?
One cannot have fast food, and have it be healthy. Good, healthy food <b>generally</b> takes longer to make, and time is too precious for most people to worry about the cost of a healthy life.