I knew Combat was going to make NS more like CS, but I never thought it'd get as low as people having arguments over whether or not the AWP... I mean focus... should be banned.
Please, just kill me now. The lowest common denominator has ruined EVERYTHING.
<!--QuoteBegin-007Bistromath+Apr 20 2004, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (007Bistromath @ Apr 20 2004, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The lowest common denominator has ruined EVERYTHING.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>My god dude, why do you have to be so quick to say stuff like this?
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They haven't ruined <i>everything</i> yet. After all, this is the first I've heard of it. They just started arriving, give them some time. Before you know it, you'll be asking why you can't buy a jetpack. Or a grenade launcher. Or Fade. Sit back and watch.
Also, a suggestion if you don't like the way this trend is going: Find a good korean or japanese server. Once you get over the ping issues, it's far more enjoyable than any EU or US playing experience I can recall. I'll never go back to playing with english-speaking audiences if it's in my power to avoid it. I've yet to hear any asian gamer use a whining tone, they all take the game seriously, and on average, even the pubbers are better than the EU/US equivalent.
Also, as much as I hate to say this, it might be good to look into joining up with a clan or something like that. :[ I've always thought the idea was completely silly. A bunch of people who take the game so seriously, they make a ritual of it. But in this case, you'd never hear about this happening for clan matches. Ever.
I left the cesspools behind weeks ago, anyone in their right mind would do the same. Look for me over at the nsKorea and Namomo servers. They usually fill up after 10:00PM PST.</span>
It's always funny hearing marines cry noob when skulks start pwning them with focus. It's no more noob than them thinking they are so 1337 that they can go weapons 1, shotgun, before getting armor. Hey, maybe you are 1337 enough to own enough skulks to get armor 1 with it, before you die to a focus bite. But don't cry noob when you didn't get armor 1 first. You are going to have it eventually, it can't hurt to get it first, in fact IT WILL HELP, OMG!.
My only problem with focus is focus fades. The only thing that bothers me is two swipe and you are out, and the only thing stopping that is armor 1... 2 other levels of armor useless. Hey get HA, and thats fine, I just don't see how, if a fade is going to cut you in two on the second swipe, why is the lowest level of armor the deciding factor? why not level 2 armor? When i know focus fades are going to show up, I either get HA, or don't get any armor above 1, just get something else like more weapon upgrades. I mean, I just think they should make level 3 armor make it 3 swipes...
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Apr 19 2004, 10:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Apr 19 2004, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The rule itself is fine, and i bet it makes games a litte more balanced and interesting (currently aliens are at an advantage if they survive to the higher levels). Focus is very powerful in combat because welding of armour is rare, this rule is simply a crude balancing measure.
The only thing i consider 'lame' is the way its implimented. Instead of waiting for someone to break the rule and then kicking, they should try to install a plugin that blocks focus all together. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeh.. rG server has no focus as skulk in <b><u>combat</u></b> rule... (probably only one that has)
it makes the games extremely balanced, for eg.. last night i had a 58 minute long combat game 8 v 8.. it also gives variety in combat, you see more fade, lerk and onos instead of poeple just whoring with focus skulk the whole game long.. i think its a v.good idea and it works very well in the game
we have tried to get a plugin but wherever it is requested from, i just get flamed the hell out of and so my only option is to instruct the admins to send the peeps to the RR
and to Normal E.High , Focus requires no skill what soever. use parsite to get the armour down then go in for a 1 bite kill... at least with shotgun you have to aim, unlike focus
Communist, nothing wrong with focus in ns_ maps but you cant get medspam in co (i suppose you could count resup but it takes 2 resups to make a marine back onto enough health to not die in 1 hit if he has taken a bite with no armour )
still.. our server fills quickly once peeps enter.. so the rule must be popular somewhere
<!--QuoteBegin-DethGaunt+Apr 20 2004, 04:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DethGaunt @ Apr 20 2004, 04:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and to Normal E.High , Focus requires no skill what soever. use parsite to get the armour down then go in for a 1 bite kill... at least with shotgun you have to aim, unlike focus
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't say shotgun didn't take skill, I said your a noob if you call other people noobs who get focus when you were too stupid to get armor 1 first. You are taking a risk, if you start getting owned its your own fault. Like I said, unless you are a complete idiot you'll have armor 1 eventually, getting it first is the best option. There is no argument anyone can make for why going straight to a shotgun or anything else for that matter without getting armor 1 first. Oh, other than "I'm really good with it blah blah bs." And for your information, focus doesn't take skill until the marines get armor 1 and above. Then it takes skill to not just run in trying to hold down the bite key like you can without focus. Aiming and timing = skill. I'm sick of people crying like a little girl because they were too stupid to get armor 1 first. I'm more worried about focus fades, focus skulks are laughable because I have armor 1 already, and it's actually like going 1 on 1 with a skulk at level 0 each, only it's goign to take the skulk slighty longer to kill you because of the attackspeed slowdown.
TBH, it's their server their rules. I know I don't like it but rules are rules. Besides, they pay for that server. It won't be surprising if it went down soon because focus isn't allowed.
@Deth : It takes a couple of parasites to take down their armor, not something so easy if you actually tried aiming with the crosshair. In fact it's pretty damn easy to miss if you're doing a pop-n-para tactic, which is most likely requoired if they have painful long range weapons. If anything, Focus is more of a downgrade once marines get armor upgrades.
Yeah, I think the developers have a better idea of "Balance" than we do. I don't even get focus at all unless I'm going focus fade. Even then I don't get it until after I've gone fade. And, again, I'm not calling you a noob, if you notice, I'm saying "people" that call other "people" that use focus noobs, are noobs themselves because they are the reason they are dying in one bite.
I just think it's funny that a server actually says skulks can't use focus, but it's ok for fades to. Lol. You wouldn't need to run a server like that if everyone that played on it knew to get armor 1 first. Once everyone marine has armor 1, it's back to even with focus skulks and marines, only skulks are at a slight disadvantage now. Focus is not unbalanced, players who aren't adapting are making it unbalanced.
[Edit] "If anything, Focus is more of a downgrade once marines get armor upgrades. "
<!--QuoteBegin-RaVe+Apr 20 2004, 05:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Apr 20 2004, 05:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If anything, Focus is more of a downgrade once marines get armor upgrades. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So why does it matter if its gotten rid of?.. it just ruins the fun for both sides tbh
anyhow, i cba to argue throughout the day on this.. so i shall say no more ... i dont see why i should bring myself down to your level to retaliate at these comments
<!--QuoteBegin-DethGaunt+Apr 20 2004, 05:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DethGaunt @ Apr 20 2004, 05:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-RaVe+Apr 20 2004, 05:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Apr 20 2004, 05:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If anything, Focus is more of a downgrade once marines get armor upgrades. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So why does it matter if its gotten rid of?.. it just ruins the fun for both sides tbh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhhh... I've never heard of a player that got focus, now having a bad game because the marines got armor 1 first. All I ever hear are marines highly annoyed because they DIDN'T get armor 1 first. Anyway, I respect your opinion Deth, and If I was to join your server I would respect your rules. I even used to get annoyed myself, because I always got a welder first to fix the armory and CC, and weld my teams armor. But I started getting owned by focus skulks, learned to get armor 1 first, and was no longer annoyed. Eh, you guys run your server how you want.
Actually its more of a downgrade for aliens since they have an RoF that is more than twice slower than the original. Throw in Armor 1 and there you have a ruined game for skulks and anything that relies on Focus (maybe except Fades)
Trust me, I've been in that boat too. I get killed with Focus skulks, but the next time I respawn it becomes them who become real vulnerable.
What I don't understand why people take weapons instead of armor though.
Thats what I don't get. You think people would smarten up and get armor 1 first. The maddening part is THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO! >.<!
And I think saying anything that got focus has a ruined game aside from fades, is taking it a little far. I've never heard people whining because they can't kill in 1 bite anymore.
But we hear people whining about how they die in one bite, ironic isn't it? BTW as far as ruined go, I meant that in the long term. In short terms though, it isn't much of a ruined game as of yet.
But I wonder why people would still choose weapons above armor even though it's so obvious that just one upgrade, just one, and I repeat again, <b><i>one</i></b> upgrade, is all it takes to counter a focus skulk. Generally if anything, it's more like the marines who whine that ruined the game for themselves. How many times poeple believed I 'ruined' a game because I got Focus? A lot, and they ignore the advice I give them, get more armor, regardless of just how effective it is against Focus.
I'll be honest with you. I suck with or without focus when marines get armor 1 because they were smart enough to actually get that armor upgrade. I just get focus to make the game a wee bit easier. The slower RoF is what gets me killed until I lerk. Sadly, the others believe that when I say they should get armor, that I'm tricking them into wasting a point. I'm not wasting their point for crying out loud, I'm wasting mine, yet they still don't listen.
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If marines can get an upgrade to automatically regenerate their armor, then I think focus would be completely fine. It's just the fact that nobody welds, and most marines are running around with 0 armor, so focus is a very good upgrade throughout the game.
my beef with people that say armor1 is the counter to focus is that is makes the first upgrade a defensive upgrade. it just seems silly that marines should ALWAYS been on the defensive, making breaks for the hive.
I hate focus on both sides. As aliens, it's better to bite 100 times a minute instead of once in a blue moon. As a marine, getting LVL 1 armor STILL doesn't alleviate my problem with it. A skulk kills you in two bites, regardless of medspam or A2 or A3. The only counter to Focus is tech rushing HA, and then you get countered by focus onos and what's the counter for them? JPs die in one hit, and the onos can take down heavies pretty easily with stomp and a few gores. Not to mention an entire team of aliens doing it, then again this is combat I'm arguing about and I think that this entire balancing NS with CO idea is rather bogus. In NS, focus is well balanced. You can kill those marines in two bites throughout the entire game regardless of armor, and that's a rather good plus. Not to mention an onos knocking down an RT in 2-3 hits or so is pretty good too.
<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Apr 19 2004, 10:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Apr 19 2004, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Admins can dissallow aliens from using fades on their server if they want. There is little you can do but move on and find a server you like.
The only real counter to focus that I know of is resupply, armor 1 or more, and someone to weld you. Once you have no armor, irrespective of armor level or resupply, 1 more bite/swipe will kill you. Aliens however can easily heal both health and armor at the hive. I think this is what causes some people to get annoyed with focus. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They dont even need the hive if they have regen <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I usually get armor one as my 2nd or 3rd upgrade. I like mines and more damage. But I dont complain about dying in one bite because I know when I get that upgrade focus is over. But I still like having a shottie and stopping the skulk dead in its tracks before it gets that one bite in. Really sticks it to some of those focus lovers <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Focus: insta-kill, easy to use, takes 1 upgrade point
Shotgun: hard to hit , takes aim, takes 2 upgrade points.
Armor1: has only 1 "charge" (1 use and the next time you're dead)
Our server has FF enabled, meaning if you get unlucky teammates who aren't very good shots , chances are you will recieve FF making armor1 useless.
See the problem?
And besides: if you don't like it, just play somewhere else, we have enough people who will play on our server, we don't need to please you.
P.S: Rule applies ONLY to <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo--> on COMBAT, so dont rant about NS or fade or anything <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lvl2 marines dont have armor AND a welder , and at lvl3 you want to start getting some guns or you'll be LMGing fades <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh and you have to have resupply also, if you want to get welded as an armored marine. So thats lvl4 before you can survive 2 focus bites in the same respawn <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I personly dont mind focus. I can get in the one bite with good aim most of the time, and as a marine I normaly get armor 1 then resuply for my first two upgrades (or vise vera if the conditions are right.) Armor 2 does still take 2 focus bites to kill but armor 3 takes 3 bites but at armor 2 you have the option to get a HA; which I belive gives you about 5 bites maybe 6-7 with resuply.
i am speaking of my own accord here, not my clan's. i believe NS has lost its way a little with focus, it is no longer the game i loved because of this.
in ns matches focus is only so useful, so i still love ns.
combat matches are just spawncamping festivals, im sorry this is how I feel, and i know many others feel this way.
maybe our server will be for all the people that feel this way, as said before i know this is felt alot.
stupid comments like ban armor 1 are not neccesary.
Perhaps ranking the Focus cost up to 2 like the Heavy Armour (Why oh why?) would help. The problem is that most people don't want to get Armour 1 first. I always get a welder first because I believe in supporting the team and welding. I also tend to get scanner sweep as well. So I don't get Armour 1 until slightly later. Now I don't mind focus so much because I usually weld or something but theres something seriously wrong when a skulk can rip through a marine team that started bad attack the CC and then just insta-kill any marines that spawn. (Which does happen.)
Having Focus cost 2 points gives the marines a little breathing space to get armour 1 without all dying and then just getting a bunch of focus skulks they cacn't counter. Although I for one would like to see the return of Power Armour to NS in this version.
Now who remembers that <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think I speak for all PTs when I say that we'd rather start hurling our C4ed bodies into Flayras flat than to allow the re-entry of Power Armor <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Mashpit+Apr 20 2004, 05:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mashpit @ Apr 20 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i am speaking of my own accord here, not my clan's. i believe NS has lost its way a little with focus, it is no longer the game i loved because of this.
in ns matches focus is only so useful, so i still love ns.
combat matches are just spawncamping festivals, im sorry this is how I feel, and i know many others feel this way.
maybe our server will be for all the people that feel this way, as said before i know this is felt alot.
stupid comments like ban armor 1 are not neccesary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Spawncamping is the fault of the players, not focus, nor the game itself. Maybe the mapper's choice of spawn points, perhaps. Spawncamping will happen, focus or not.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Apr 20 2004, 05:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 20 2004, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think I speak for all PTs when I say that we'd rather start hurling our C4ed bodies into Flayras flat than to allow the re-entry of Power Armor <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I dunno, I would'a thought it would work like a charm in Combat rather than base vanilla NS.
Just as long as you reduced the speed of its "effect"
And anyway it would make a great armour alternative for those people that wouldn't want to be slow and not very manuverable yet cannot fly with a JP.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkEnligther+Apr 20 2004, 10:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkEnligther @ Apr 20 2004, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Lvl2 marines dont have armor AND a welder , and at lvl3 you want to start getting some guns or you'll be LMGing fades <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh and you have to have resupply also, if you want to get welded as an armored marine. So thats lvl4 before you can survive 2 focus bites in the same respawn <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why not?
<span style='color:white'>[edit]</span>It basically comes down to people needing to play all aspects of the game before posting about it because ignorance is the biggest enemy here, not focus.<span style='color:white'>[/edit]
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I knew Combat was going to make NS more like CS, but I never thought it'd get as low as people having arguments over whether or not the AWP... I mean focus... should be banned.
Please, just kill me now. The lowest common denominator has ruined EVERYTHING.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>My god dude, why do you have to be so quick to say stuff like this?
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They haven't ruined <i>everything</i> yet. After all, this is the first I've heard of it. They just started arriving, give them some time. Before you know it, you'll be asking why you can't buy a jetpack. Or a grenade launcher. Or Fade. Sit back and watch.
Also, a suggestion if you don't like the way this trend is going: Find a good korean or japanese server. Once you get over the ping issues, it's far more enjoyable than any EU or US playing experience I can recall. I'll never go back to playing with english-speaking audiences if it's in my power to avoid it. I've yet to hear any asian gamer use a whining tone, they all take the game seriously, and on average, even the pubbers are better than the EU/US equivalent.
Also, as much as I hate to say this, it might be good to look into joining up with a clan or something like that. :[ I've always thought the idea was completely silly. A bunch of people who take the game so seriously, they make a ritual of it. But in this case, you'd never hear about this happening for clan matches. Ever.
I left the cesspools behind weeks ago, anyone in their right mind would do the same. Look for me over at the nsKorea and Namomo servers. They usually fill up after 10:00PM PST.</span>
It's always funny hearing marines cry noob when skulks start pwning them with focus. It's no more noob than them thinking they are so 1337 that they can go weapons 1, shotgun, before getting armor. Hey, maybe you are 1337 enough to own enough skulks to get armor 1 with it, before you die to a focus bite. But don't cry noob when you didn't get armor 1 first. You are going to have it eventually, it can't hurt to get it first, in fact IT WILL HELP, OMG!.
My only problem with focus is focus fades. The only thing that bothers me is two swipe and you are out, and the only thing stopping that is armor 1... 2 other levels of armor useless. Hey get HA, and thats fine, I just don't see how, if a fade is going to cut you in two on the second swipe, why is the lowest level of armor the deciding factor? why not level 2 armor? When i know focus fades are going to show up, I either get HA, or don't get any armor above 1, just get something else like more weapon upgrades. I mean, I just think they should make level 3 armor make it 3 swipes...
The only thing i consider 'lame' is the way its implimented. Instead of waiting for someone to break the rule and then kicking, they should try to install a plugin that blocks focus all together. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeh.. rG server has no focus as skulk in <b><u>combat</u></b> rule... (probably only one that has)
it makes the games extremely balanced, for eg.. last night i had a 58 minute long combat game 8 v 8.. it also gives variety in combat, you see more fade, lerk and onos instead of poeple just whoring with focus skulk the whole game long.. i think its a v.good idea and it works very well in the game
we have tried to get a plugin but wherever it is requested from, i just get flamed the hell out of and so my only option is to instruct the admins to send the peeps to the RR
and to Normal E.High , Focus requires no skill what soever. use parsite to get the armour down then go in for a 1 bite kill... at least with shotgun you have to aim, unlike focus
Communist, nothing wrong with focus in ns_ maps but you cant get medspam in co (i suppose you could count resup but it takes 2 resups to make a marine back onto enough health to not die in 1 hit if he has taken a bite with no armour )
still.. our server fills quickly once peeps enter.. so the rule must be popular somewhere
However, if you think about it, a shotgun can kill a skulk in one hit. Nobody says "omg n00b he got the SG!!!11"
Ah well play on a different server I guess, there are plenty of great servers out there.
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I didn't say shotgun didn't take skill, I said your a noob if you call other people noobs who get focus when you were too stupid to get armor 1 first. You are taking a risk, if you start getting owned its your own fault. Like I said, unless you are a complete idiot you'll have armor 1 eventually, getting it first is the best option. There is no argument anyone can make for why going straight to a shotgun or anything else for that matter without getting armor 1 first. Oh, other than "I'm really good with it blah blah bs." And for your information, focus doesn't take skill until the marines get armor 1 and above. Then it takes skill to not just run in trying to hold down the bite key like you can without focus. Aiming and timing = skill. I'm sick of people crying like a little girl because they were too stupid to get armor 1 first. I'm more worried about focus fades, focus skulks are laughable because I have armor 1 already, and it's actually like going 1 on 1 with a skulk at level 0 each, only it's goign to take the skulk slighty longer to kill you because of the attackspeed slowdown.
and i dont really find calling people "noobs" for their personal opinions is actually appropriate for this forum
is it really wrong to make the game more balanced and more fun for the community that play on our servers ?
@Deth : It takes a couple of parasites to take down their armor, not something so easy if you actually tried aiming with the crosshair. In fact it's pretty damn easy to miss if you're doing a pop-n-para tactic, which is most likely requoired if they have painful long range weapons. If anything, Focus is more of a downgrade once marines get armor upgrades.
I just think it's funny that a server actually says skulks can't use focus, but it's ok for fades to. Lol. You wouldn't need to run a server like that if everyone that played on it knew to get armor 1 first. Once everyone marine has armor 1, it's back to even with focus skulks and marines, only skulks are at a slight disadvantage now. Focus is not unbalanced, players who aren't adapting are making it unbalanced.
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"If anything, Focus is more of a downgrade once marines get armor upgrades. "
Thank you.
So why does it matter if its gotten rid of?.. it just ruins the fun for both sides tbh
anyhow, i cba to argue throughout the day on this.. so i shall say no more ... i dont see why i should bring myself down to your level to retaliate at these comments
So why does it matter if its gotten rid of?.. it just ruins the fun for both sides tbh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhhh... I've never heard of a player that got focus, now having a bad game because the marines got armor 1 first. All I ever hear are marines highly annoyed because they DIDN'T get armor 1 first. Anyway, I respect your opinion Deth, and If I was to join your server I would respect your rules. I even used to get annoyed myself, because I always got a welder first to fix the armory and CC, and weld my teams armor. But I started getting owned by focus skulks, learned to get armor 1 first, and was no longer annoyed. Eh, you guys run your server how you want.
Trust me, I've been in that boat too. I get killed with Focus skulks, but the next time I respawn it becomes them who become real vulnerable.
What I don't understand why people take weapons instead of armor though.
And I think saying anything that got focus has a ruined game aside from fades, is taking it a little far. I've never heard people whining because they can't kill in 1 bite anymore.
BTW as far as ruined go, I meant that in the long term. In short terms though, it isn't much of a ruined game as of yet.
But I wonder why people would still choose weapons above armor even though it's so obvious that just one upgrade, just one, and I repeat again, <b><i>one</i></b> upgrade, is all it takes to counter a focus skulk. Generally if anything, it's more like the marines who whine that ruined the game for themselves. How many times poeple believed I 'ruined' a game because I got Focus? A lot, and they ignore the advice I give them, get more armor, regardless of just how effective it is against Focus.
I'll be honest with you. I suck with or without focus when marines get armor 1 because they were smart enough to actually get that armor upgrade. I just get focus to make the game a wee bit easier. The slower RoF is what gets me killed until I lerk. Sadly, the others believe that when I say they should get armor, that I'm tricking them into wasting a point. I'm not wasting their point for crying out loud, I'm wasting mine, yet they still don't listen.
thats just my 2 pence.
The only real counter to focus that I know of is resupply, armor 1 or more, and someone to weld you. Once you have no armor, irrespective of armor level or resupply, 1 more bite/swipe will kill you. Aliens however can easily heal both health and armor at the hive. I think this is what causes some people to get annoyed with focus. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They dont even need the hive if they have regen <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I usually get armor one as my 2nd or 3rd upgrade. I like mines and more damage. But I dont complain about dying in one bite because I know when I get that upgrade focus is over. But I still like having a shottie and stopping the skulk dead in its tracks before it gets that one bite in. Really sticks it to some of those focus lovers <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Shotgun: hard to hit , takes aim, takes 2 upgrade points.
Armor1: has only 1 "charge" (1 use and the next time you're dead)
Our server has FF enabled, meaning if you get unlucky teammates who aren't very good shots , chances are you will recieve FF making armor1 useless.
See the problem?
And besides: if you don't like it, just play somewhere else, we have enough people who will play on our server, we don't need to please you.
P.S:
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before banning focus skulks i would force every rine to get a welder if i were a server op.
Oh and you have to have resupply also, if you want to get welded as an armored marine. So thats lvl4 before you can survive 2 focus bites in the same respawn <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i believe NS has lost its way a little with focus, it is no longer the game i loved because of this.
in ns matches focus is only so useful, so i still love ns.
combat matches are just spawncamping festivals, im sorry this is how I feel, and i know many others feel this way.
maybe our server will be for all the people that feel this way, as said before i know this is felt alot.
stupid comments like ban armor 1 are not neccesary.
Having Focus cost 2 points gives the marines a little breathing space to get armour 1 without all dying and then just getting a bunch of focus skulks they cacn't counter. Although I for one would like to see the return of Power Armour to NS in this version.
Now who remembers that <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i believe NS has lost its way a little with focus, it is no longer the game i loved because of this.
in ns matches focus is only so useful, so i still love ns.
combat matches are just spawncamping festivals, im sorry this is how I feel, and i know many others feel this way.
maybe our server will be for all the people that feel this way, as said before i know this is felt alot.
stupid comments like ban armor 1 are not neccesary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Spawncamping is the fault of the players, not focus, nor the game itself. Maybe the mapper's choice of spawn points, perhaps. Spawncamping will happen, focus or not.
I dunno, I would'a thought it would work like a charm in Combat rather than base vanilla NS.
Just as long as you reduced the speed of its "effect"
And anyway it would make a great armour alternative for those people that wouldn't want to be slow and not very manuverable yet cannot fly with a JP.
Oh and you have to have resupply also, if you want to get welded as an armored marine. So thats lvl4 before you can survive 2 focus bites in the same respawn <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why not?
<span style='color:white'>[edit]</span>It basically comes down to people needing to play all aspects of the game before posting about it because ignorance is the biggest enemy here, not focus.<span style='color:white'>[/edit]
Don't doublepost.</span>