<!--QuoteBegin--]sonic[-+May 22 2004, 02:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-]sonic[- @ May 22 2004, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> oooooo that *huggles england* <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They do that here as well if it's needed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Xyth+May 22 2004, 02:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xyth @ May 22 2004, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Good thing I'm learning german, if I can't go to canada I'll just head over there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> O_o another coward
<!--QuoteBegin-Ryo-Ohki+May 22 2004, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ May 22 2004, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm 16, so I will escape any draft unless Bush/Kerry decide that some more regimes need changing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're quite the optimist if you think the Iraq war will be over in 2 years time.
I'm glad that I live in Australia. Any Yanks who don't want to be drafted, you'd be more than welcome here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Considering your countries stance on immigration I doubt they would unless they are skilled labourers like carpenters or plumbers etc. God I love the aussie was of thinking <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just wish we could be more like you guys <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If not wanting to die for people who hate you in an illegal war is cowardice, then I'll accept the title freely.
Now, if my country was seriously threatened by a large military power and our way of life is in danger, I'll be in the recruitment office in a split second.
I'd die to protect my way of life as well. I wouldn't actively join the army, but if drafted, I'd go, and try my damndest. Because after all, if they want ME behind a gun, the situation prolly is getting desperate <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'll go the Enoch Cain route, and shoot off my big toe, then limp it up.
But really, if there is a serious and imminent thread towards the USA, I'll be filled with a rush of patriotism and sign up. As it is, I'd rather not be drafted and shot in the gut over some oil.
Just so long as no one is blaming George Bush for this, (like they always do. They blamed him for the last episode of Friends) then I wont jump in and defend. If it does come to that...
<!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+May 24 2004, 02:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ May 24 2004, 02:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> God I love the aussie was of thinking <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just wish we could be more like you guys <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well at least you're not a total moron.
Mandatory enlistment, i do like. (That is a mandatory period of military service for all individuals in their country of residence/birth)
HOWEVER
If I was ever denied the choice as to whether to go into an armed conflict i'd be absolutely ropeable. i don't think i'd dodge it, but i'd make a damn nuicance of myself once i was in there. If they want me so much, they can deal with my attitude damnit.
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Didn't you guys read Wither's post? You can't move to Canada to get out of the draft. I would recommend that you just volunteer for civilian service before they get a chance to draft you into military service. That way you get a bit more choice in what you'll be doing, and (probably) won't get shot.
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edited May 2004
Bye! DON'T COME BACK! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh and for the record, This isn't anything like Vietnam. Only people who make that stupid claim are deranged liberals who will say anything to make this war a "quagmire".
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<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+May 23 2004, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 23 2004, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you're talking about Iraq, I'd rather shoot the people who come to conscript me than the freedom fighers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice!
BTW Sadr's milita are hardly "freedom fighters" and is disliked by Iraqi population,
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Considering your countries stance on immigration I doubt they would unless they are skilled labourers like carpenters or plumbers etc. God I love the aussie was of thinking Just wish we could be more like you guys <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've never said I supported our nation's stance on immigration. I think the Pacific Solution is a crying shame and a tremendous waste of resources. It is also not indicative of the way many Australians feel about immigration; I could say that because the US has Camp X-Ray all Americans think that it's just fine to imprison hundreds of people for years without charge or access to the US legal system and claim that this is the "American way of thinking".
In response to your comment I was indicating that I personally would welcome Americans coming here to escape being drafted for an illegal and unjustified war. Whether my country would do likewise is a differant matter.
I'm not in a country with the draft but if it was brought in I would not participate. They can throw me in a prison, fine me, assign me to some godawful job but I will not fight because they tell me to. If I ever participate in a conflict it will be because I choose to. Call me a coward, unpatriotic, whatever, I don't care. That's what my stance on this is and I'm sticking to it.
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Thank goodness the image of a draft is really far away since the military's recruitment quotas have been hit all the time, along with a boost it's been getting.
This is good cause chickenshits don't join. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Instead they rather spend the money on high tech equipment for troops then train and rig hippy cowards. Who make stupid comments like above.
Jesus H Christ... the ignorance... it's all around me!
I live in the U.K (You remember us? We're the one's who used to boss the world around before you), so I don't have to worry about the draft (yet), but I still want to put my point across.
You (that is, some of the more ignorant amoung you) seem to think that any and all draft-dodgers are cowards.
That is a nice black-and-white view that you have chosen to accept because it is easier for your minds to comprehend.
The fact is that SOME of us believe that the war in Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the war on terror, SOME of us believe that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and that although the war in Iraq "freed" many people from the rule of Saddam Hussain it didn't really acheive an awful lot except cost a lot in both tax money and human lives. (on both sides)
Some of us don't like the idea of having to fight an illegal war (Yes, illegal. By all rights the U.N should be ceasing all trade with America right now) thousands of miles away against people who wouldn't even be fighting us if we hadn't taken it upon ourselves to "liberate" their country.
If my country were going to war, and going to war against a country that is an actual, imminant threat to the safety of another country, I probably wouldn't join up. I have my own life to live, and the government have no right to take that away from me by handing me a gun and telling me which end goes bang. That said, our troops would have my full support. In the gulf at least Iraq actually POSED A THREAT to someone.
If my country were actually in danger of being invaded, yes, I would join up. It's not a question of being willing to die for my country or not, it's a question of making my life <i>worth</i> something by fighing for something I believe in, as melodramatic as that might sound. If you fight, and die, for something you don't believe in, what difference have you made?
O.k, I ranted, but this is something I feel strongly about, so sue me.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Nil_IQ+May 23 2004, 01:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ May 23 2004, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jesus H Christ... the ignorance... it's all around me!
I live in the U.K (You remember us? We're the one's who used to boss the world around before you), so I don't have to worry about the draft (yet), but I still want to put my point across.
You (that is, some of the more ignorant amoung you) seem to think that any and all draft-dodgers are cowards.
That is a nice black-and-white view that you have chosen to accept because it is easier for your minds to comprehend.
The fact is that SOME of us believe that the war in Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the war on terror, SOME of us believe that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and that although the war in Iraq "freed" many people from the rule of Saddam Hussain it didn't really acheive an awful lot except cost a lot in both tax money and human lives.
Some of us don't like the idea of having to fight an illegal war (Yes, illegal. By all rights the U.N should be ceasing all trade with America right now) thousands of miles away against people who wouldn't even be fighting us if we hadn't taken it upon ourselves to "liberate" their country.
If my country were going to war, and going to war against a country that is an actual, imminant threat to the safety of another country, I probably wouldn't join up. I have my own life to live, and the government have no right to take that away from me by handing me a gun and telling me which end goes bang. That said, our troops would have my full support. In the gulf at least Iraq actually POSED A THREAT to someone.
If my country were actually in danger of being invaded, yes, I would join up. It's not a question of being willing to die for my country or not, it's a question of making my life <i>worth</i> something by fighing for something I believe in, as melodramatic as that might sound. If you fight, and die, for something you don't believe in, what difference have you made?
O.k, I ranted, but this is something I feel strongly about, so sue me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you don't believe Iraq wasn't involved in terror, then your simply making a mistake.
Apparently you didn't realize that Saddam offered cash rewards for those who commited terrorist attacks. Along with the fact that he's had agents plan the original WTC bombing, Whats this all mean? Well, Saddam was a threat then, he still was still a threat, I'm sick of the UN letting people off the hook and fiddle farting.
Heres the thing that bugs me, 1. Why is the UN now going after war criminals (Milosovic) and yet when they found no "mass graves" the world still says "It was a good thing". I never saw one person protest US involvement in the Balkans.
As for the draft, No I don't nesscarly agree with it, but thats in the matter of recruitment of retarded little "hippys" who are more willing to shoot the president then a homicidal dictator.
Like in Vietnam people called it "Useless and pointless and that we shouldn't of never of been there" Then when you see the 10 million people butchered and say what the hell could I have done to prevent this?" It's this same manner of letting the Jews die because Hitler wasn't really a threat to us. Im sick of it.
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<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+May 23 2004, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ May 23 2004, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> UZi I think you would have a great time being a private security contractor... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I already have family in Blackwater, 2 were former Marine Corps and are getting paid more then what the military was offering.
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They do that here as well if it's needed.
O_o another coward
You're quite the optimist if you think the Iraq war will be over in 2 years time.
I'm glad that I live in Australia. Any Yanks who don't want to be drafted, you'd be more than welcome here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Considering your countries stance on immigration I doubt they would unless they are skilled labourers like carpenters or plumbers etc. God I love the aussie was of thinking <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just wish we could be more like you guys <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Something the americans we're so proud of objecting in WW2?
...
hypocrites
*psst* v-man, you can fit multiple quotes per post
Now, if my country was seriously threatened by a large military power and our way of life is in danger, I'll be in the recruitment office in a split second.
Because after all, if they want ME behind a gun, the situation prolly is getting desperate <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But really, if there is a serious and imminent thread towards the USA, I'll be filled with a rush of patriotism and sign up. As it is, I'd rather not be drafted and shot in the gut over some oil.
<span style='color:red'>Oooohhhhh</span> <span style='color:white'>Caaaanadaaaaaaaaaa</span>....my soon-to-be hoooome and naaative laaaaaaannd.....
You Canadian folks would take me in, right? Right? Eh? MY LIFE DEPENDS ON IT
well at least you're not a total moron.
Mandatory enlistment, i do like. (That is a mandatory period of military service for all individuals in their country of residence/birth)
HOWEVER
If I was ever denied the choice as to whether to go into an armed conflict i'd be absolutely ropeable. i don't think i'd dodge it, but i'd make a damn nuicance of myself once i was in there. If they want me so much, they can deal with my attitude damnit.
Oh and for the record, This isn't anything like Vietnam. Only people who make that stupid claim are deranged liberals who will say anything to make this war a "quagmire".
Nice!
BTW Sadr's milita are hardly "freedom fighters" and is disliked by Iraqi population,
You would just be supporting insurgents.
I've never said I supported our nation's stance on immigration. I think the Pacific Solution is a crying shame and a tremendous waste of resources. It is also not indicative of the way many Australians feel about immigration; I could say that because the US has Camp X-Ray all Americans think that it's just fine to imprison hundreds of people for years without charge or access to the US legal system and claim that this is the "American way of thinking".
In response to your comment I was indicating that I personally would welcome Americans coming here to escape being drafted for an illegal and unjustified war. Whether my country would do likewise is a differant matter.
I'm not in a country with the draft but if it was brought in I would not participate. They can throw me in a prison, fine me, assign me to some godawful job but I will not fight because they tell me to. If I ever participate in a conflict it will be because I choose to. Call me a coward, unpatriotic, whatever, I don't care. That's what my stance on this is and I'm sticking to it.
This is good cause chickenshits don't join. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Instead they rather spend the money on high tech equipment for troops then train and rig hippy cowards. Who make stupid comments like above.
I live in the U.K (You remember us? We're the one's who used to boss the world around before you), so I don't have to worry about the draft (yet), but I still want to put my point across.
You (that is, some of the more ignorant amoung you) seem to think that any and all draft-dodgers are cowards.
That is a nice black-and-white view that you have chosen to accept because it is easier for your minds to comprehend.
The fact is that SOME of us believe that the war in Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the war on terror, SOME of us believe that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and that although the war in Iraq "freed" many people from the rule of Saddam Hussain it didn't really acheive an awful lot except cost a lot in both tax money and human lives. (on both sides)
Some of us don't like the idea of having to fight an illegal war (Yes, illegal. By all rights the U.N should be ceasing all trade with America right now) thousands of miles away against people who wouldn't even be fighting us if we hadn't taken it upon ourselves to "liberate" their country.
If my country were going to war, and going to war against a country that is an actual, imminant threat to the safety of another country, I probably wouldn't join up. I have my own life to live, and the government have no right to take that away from me by handing me a gun and telling me which end goes bang. That said, our troops would have my full support. In the gulf at least Iraq actually POSED A THREAT to someone.
If my country were actually in danger of being invaded, yes, I would join up. It's not a question of being willing to die for my country or not, it's a question of making my life <i>worth</i> something by fighing for something I believe in, as melodramatic as that might sound. If you fight, and die, for something you don't believe in, what difference have you made?
O.k, I ranted, but this is something I feel strongly about, so sue me.
I live in the U.K (You remember us? We're the one's who used to boss the world around before you), so I don't have to worry about the draft (yet), but I still want to put my point across.
You (that is, some of the more ignorant amoung you) seem to think that any and all draft-dodgers are cowards.
That is a nice black-and-white view that you have chosen to accept because it is easier for your minds to comprehend.
The fact is that SOME of us believe that the war in Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the war on terror, SOME of us believe that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and that although the war in Iraq "freed" many people from the rule of Saddam Hussain it didn't really acheive an awful lot except cost a lot in both tax money and human lives.
Some of us don't like the idea of having to fight an illegal war (Yes, illegal. By all rights the U.N should be ceasing all trade with America right now) thousands of miles away against people who wouldn't even be fighting us if we hadn't taken it upon ourselves to "liberate" their country.
If my country were going to war, and going to war against a country that is an actual, imminant threat to the safety of another country, I probably wouldn't join up. I have my own life to live, and the government have no right to take that away from me by handing me a gun and telling me which end goes bang. That said, our troops would have my full support. In the gulf at least Iraq actually POSED A THREAT to someone.
If my country were actually in danger of being invaded, yes, I would join up. It's not a question of being willing to die for my country or not, it's a question of making my life <i>worth</i> something by fighing for something I believe in, as melodramatic as that might sound. If you fight, and die, for something you don't believe in, what difference have you made?
O.k, I ranted, but this is something I feel strongly about, so sue me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you don't believe Iraq wasn't involved in terror, then your simply making a mistake.
Apparently you didn't realize that Saddam offered cash rewards for those who commited terrorist attacks. Along with the fact that he's had agents plan the original WTC bombing, Whats this all mean? Well, Saddam was a threat then, he still was still a threat, I'm sick of the UN letting people off the hook and fiddle farting.
Heres the thing that bugs me, 1. Why is the UN now going after war criminals (Milosovic) and yet when they found no "mass graves" the world still says "It was a good thing". I never saw one person protest US involvement in the Balkans.
As for the draft, No I don't nesscarly agree with it, but thats in the matter of recruitment of retarded little "hippys" who are more willing to shoot the president then a homicidal dictator.
Like in Vietnam people called it "Useless and pointless and that we shouldn't of never of been there" Then when you see the 10 million people butchered and say what the hell could I have done to prevent this?" It's this same manner of letting the Jews die because Hitler wasn't really a threat to us. Im sick of it.
I already have family in Blackwater, 2 were former Marine Corps and are getting paid more then what the military was offering.
When I finish college I plan on joining. why?
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