"Faith"? Could you please justify the basis for "Faith"?
Right now, I'm in one of my moods where I completely disregard religion in all forms. Let me run the very concept of religion through Occam's Razor:
What is more likely?
That, somehow, someway, an entity came to be that could shape the fabric of reality, and reorganize matter and energy with little effort, or,
That humans created religion in their own minds, to help them sleep better at night. That they wanted to believe in something greater, lest they feel that most terrible of pains, lonliness. That they needed to feel like, in a world of such chaos, there was something out there protecting them.
And speaking of sleeping better at night, alas, I must retire to my chambers, and bid you all farewell.
Wow... I feel like this thread sucked me into a blackhole into the twilight zone... okay, I'd heard some stories and rumors of people thinking D&D was made by Satan, but, wow I wasn't aware anyone believed it...
Wow... just... WOW... what the hell does 'Magic Missile' have to do with 'witchcraft'?
Sheesh, there's certain people in this world who just shouldn't be allowed to have children... familiarizing with witchcraft... ahahhahaahah
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 2 2004, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 2 2004, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't want to mess with witchcraft at all. There are forces beyond my control that can harm me. Note: <b>I can't control those forces</b>. They are not to be trifled with.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah yes, but can you control NANITES?!? NO, you can't! And seeing as they can be used to turn the tide against an entire alien race, they are certainly not to be trifled with either.. yet... you mess with them every time you play ns! OH NOES!
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"Faith"? Could you please justify the basis for "Faith"?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. -Hewrews 11:1
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Right now, I'm in one of my moods where I completely disregard religion in all forms. Let me run the very concept of religion through Occam's Razor:
What is more likely?
That, somehow, someway, an entity came to be that could shape the fabric of reality, and reorganize matter and energy with little effort, or,
That humans created religion in their own minds, to help them sleep better at night. That they wanted to believe in something greater, lest they feel that most terrible of pains, lonliness. That they needed to feel like, in a world of such chaos, there was something out there protecting them.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You already know my answer, but I'll play along.
The entity did not "come to be", God always was. There is no beginning to God. And I do sleep better at night knowing God is watching over me. I have a peace that defies understanding, and is something given only to those who follow Christ.
<!--QuoteBegin-juice+Jun 2 2004, 01:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (juice @ Jun 2 2004, 01:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ah yes, but can you control NANITES?!? NO, you can't! And seeing as they can be used to turn the tide against an entire alien race, they are certainly not to be trifled with either.. yet... you mess with them every time you play ns! OH NOES! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't play Natural Selection.
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Medhead, it's literally impossible for you to say you "don't believe in science."
If you're speaking the english language, then you have participated in scientific discovery. You learned it, sound by sound. And that sir, is the scientific method. Just because you don't always know the right word to express something doesn't make your ability to use the language as a whole any less solid.
God did not embed you with knowledge of how to speak English. And even if you believe he did, he didn't embed you with knowledge of how to spell and type. Which also had to be learned by yourself with, ba bum bum, science.
Let's bring up a more clear example that you'd be more familiar with. Let's pretend that you still played NS. Every strategy out there for a while was based on building defense chambers first. Why? Because people studied, they watched, they learned. And they found that those who built defense chambers first were much more likely to win than those that didn't. End of friggin story.
That's science in action. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone over 14 that's open to science that doesn't completely understand that EVERYTHING in the scientific world is always best guess. As in... here's what humankind has observed to happen, here's the most likely explanation given the data.
I'm glad your faith gives you peace, I'd like to have inner peace and not realize just how much it's going to suck to die and stop existing. But the truth is staring me right in the face. Science may not be able to fully explain how we got here, but I know that some crackpot answer abot God just always being strikes me as a petty copout. Like when you ask someone "Why?" about something and all they answer is "Because."
In fact, that's exactly what it's like. No analogy required.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like when you ask someone "Why?" about something and all they answer is "Because." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Like when you ask someone "Why?" about something and all they answer is "Because." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly the same I feel about it. But in the grand scheme of things I don't care either way.
2nd, how can this guy be serious... Does he actually beleive in what he writes his comics about? Or does he write that stuff because it's so obviously false that it's funny?
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 2 2004, 12:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 2 2004, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Jun 2 2004, 12:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Jun 2 2004, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The reason it is fallible, fleeting, and occaisonially untrue is because of its very nature. Science is all about the formation of hypothesis, the testing of these hypothesis, and then either validation or rejection.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yet you keep addressing science as if it is true, not uncertain. And once again, I don't care about science! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Okay. Remember not to go to a hospital the next time you feel really sick. You wouldn't want all those nasty medical scientists to perform procedures of uncertain consequences to you, would you?
This is the sort of religion that gets on my nerves, I believe in choice, if you chose to believe that God/Jesus/Allah/Your cat created the world/you/cofee then fine just don't force it down my throat.
Theres this bloke who stands in he middle of town screaming his religious beliefs and telling everyone how we're all going to hell whilst his minions scurry around forcing pamphlets on us and I really want to go set fire to his podium....
But my cat DID create the world. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->what happens if I die without believing this?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then you'll die in your sins and be eternally lost<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, anyone that believes in scientific evidence rather than putting all faith into a single book is sinning. REPENT. REPENT!
Could it be that 'repentence' and saving yourself from sin is simply the act of cleansing those fears and illusions of the world from your mind? The man who is evil would be one who prevents others from realising themselves, keeping them lost and confused and without hope. I feel that true goodness comes from peace of mind and the journey there, from realising that the only person you have anything to proove to is yourself. Hell is not following your true path, and succuming to the powers in the world that would try and keep you docile.
If you believe in Hope, go with the flow, and answer to no one but the fire within your soul, then the world is at your feet and you may step forth wherever your excitement and enthusiasim leads you. Just be patient.
Think about things in your own terms. YOU are right, and noone can tell you where to go but YOU. If you believe and do what other people tell you without questioning, then you'll never have <i>understanding</i>.
Thankyou I'll be here all night...
Oh, and no I'm not a Christian. Just human.
(It's occured to me this may be off-topic but damn it I needed to write this out if just for my own sake.)
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<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 1 2004, 11:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 1 2004, 11:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Science, science, science. Everybody worries about scientific truths. That's an oxymoron. What is scientifically true today will be found untrue tomorrow, yet science is used as the foundation of all arguments for (and often against) evolution. It's similar to building a house on a rotting foundation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You treat science as if scientists were all just running around willy-nilly declaring things to be true or untrue for no reason, and that is just not true either. "Science" if one can lump the entire concept together into a single entity, only makes its decisions based on the data available. Ever notice that the science of Newtonian physics has not changed for hundreds of years? And the science of math is evern older than christianity and it hasn't changed much, 2+2 still equals 4. The thing about new sciences such as evolution or quantum phsyics and the way they change is that we are constantly finding new data to base our facts upon, and science can hardly be blamed for that. Finding new information about anything would change the way you look at it. If, for example, a completely new book of the bible was found that contained more moral teachings from Jesus himself, would not some of the premises of your faith change? I'm not saying every last concept of christianity would be shaken to its core, but something would change.
MedHed: putting the whole belief in the supernatural\science argument aside for a moment, the whole business about "D&D = satanism" started out because some nitwit with an academic title heard that D&D "involves casting spells", and he didn't look into it any further than that.
The fact is, you don't chant a cool-sounding latin-oid phrase, draw transmutation circles, light candles, wear robes, and throw sparkly powder around. You say "I cast light", and the DM tells you what your character can see.
So... if you think that saying "I cast a fireball" puts you anywhere near on the path to witchcraft, you're a little naive.
With regards to science and the big universal <b>?</b> 'why?', what has science REALLY told us about the nature of our existence? Pretty much sod all. I view science as a way of studying and analysing the inside of the box we're in, philosophy as speculation on what could be outside the box and what the box is, and spirituality as faith that because the box exists, it has purpose and thus so do we.
<!--QuoteBegin-Merkaba+Jun 2 2004, 10:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Merkaba @ Jun 2 2004, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> With regards to science and the big universal <b>?</b> 'why?', what has science REALLY told us about the nature of our existence? Pretty much sod all. I view science as a way of studying and analysing the inside of the box we're in, philosophy as speculation on what could be outside the box and what the box is, and spirituality as faith that because the box exists, it has purpose and thus so do we. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well to be fair Merkaba. The universe is a pretty big damned box. Could take a while before we find ANYTHING in it.
I don't know about you guys, but when I play D&D with my friends we don't do any mystic rituals or try to perform spells. We make up characters with fictional backgrounds that are usually humorous and then someone tells us what we see while we wander about doing things that generally end badly for us. Nothing involving spirits or forces beyond our control that I can tell. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-supernorn2000+Jun 2 2004, 11:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (supernorn2000 @ Jun 2 2004, 11:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well to be fair Merkaba. The universe is a pretty big damned box. Could take a while before we find ANYTHING in it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> True, that; we have no idea what could be lying out in the far depths of space, and maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised...but I still stand by my box analogy of Science, Philosophy and Spirituality...I like to view the world in metaphores because sometimes I feel I'm only a metaphore myself <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't want to mess with witchcraft at all. There are forces beyond my control that can harm me. Note: I can't control those forces. They are not to be trifled with.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If this isn't cleverly disguised sarcasm, it sure was much more fun than reading that crappy comic.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Jun 2 2004, 05:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Jun 2 2004, 05:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't know about you guys, but when I play D&D with my friends we don't do any mystic rituals or try to perform spells. We make up characters with fictional backgrounds that are usually humorous and then someone tells us what we see while we wander about doing things that generally end badly for us. Nothing involving spirits or forces beyond our control that I can tell. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My first game of D&D ever (also happend to be my last) was to slay an orc that kept masturbating in public :\
this guy needs to stop living in the 50's <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The unknown is scary. So it's only natural for people with no first-hand experience with science to be apprehensive. Especially when you're used to god as the answer to the unknown.
Besides, all those science people are so arrogant anyways; they think they know everything. But only god knows everything. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It took me awhile to figure out whether or not that comic was parody, too.
ok, i gotta admit, i'm feeling sorry for medhead. he's the only guy with a different opinion. so i'll make myself the proverbial rodea clown, trying to distract the bull (al you folks) from the poor bucked cowboy (medhead). not that i agree with him, but he jsut had about 20 ppl throw down the science action on him.
sooo, lets see.. ah, here we go. there are plenty of christians who actually believe in evolution, don't think watching harry potter will lead to hell, etc. it's only the fundamentalists that make ppl go wacky. also... oh, lets discuss why theoretical physicists met with some buddhist monks at some conference.. it was because their beliefs (the monks) were in line with the discoveries of latest science. but what beliefs?
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"Faith"? Could you please justify the basis for "Faith"?
Right now, I'm in one of my moods where I completely disregard religion in all forms. Let me run the very concept of religion through Occam's Razor:
What is more likely?
That, somehow, someway, an entity came to be that could shape the fabric of reality, and reorganize matter and energy with little effort, or,
That humans created religion in their own minds, to help them sleep better at night. That they wanted to believe in something greater, lest they feel that most terrible of pains, lonliness. That they needed to feel like, in a world of such chaos, there was something out there protecting them.
And speaking of sleeping better at night, alas, I must retire to my chambers, and bid you all farewell.
Wow... just... WOW... what the hell does 'Magic Missile' have to do with 'witchcraft'?
Sheesh, there's certain people in this world who just shouldn't be allowed to have children... familiarizing with witchcraft... ahahhahaahah
Ah yes, but can you control NANITES?!? NO, you can't! And seeing as they can be used to turn the tide against an entire alien race, they are certainly not to be trifled with either.. yet... you mess with them every time you play ns! OH NOES!
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>LIVED EHT SI NOITCELES LARUTAN</span>
"Faith"? Could you please justify the basis for "Faith"?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. -Hewrews 11:1
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What is more likely?
That, somehow, someway, an entity came to be that could shape the fabric of reality, and reorganize matter and energy with little effort, or,
That humans created religion in their own minds, to help them sleep better at night. That they wanted to believe in something greater, lest they feel that most terrible of pains, lonliness. That they needed to feel like, in a world of such chaos, there was something out there protecting them.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You already know my answer, but I'll play along.
The entity did not "come to be", God always was. There is no beginning to God. And I do sleep better at night knowing God is watching over me. I have a peace that defies understanding, and is something given only to those who follow Christ.
I don't play Natural Selection.
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Are you a forumevangelist?
If you're speaking the english language, then you have participated in scientific discovery. You learned it, sound by sound. And that sir, is the scientific method. Just because you don't always know the right word to express something doesn't make your ability to use the language as a whole any less solid.
God did not embed you with knowledge of how to speak English. And even if you believe he did, he didn't embed you with knowledge of how to spell and type. Which also had to be learned by yourself with, ba bum bum, science.
Let's bring up a more clear example that you'd be more familiar with. Let's pretend that you still played NS. Every strategy out there for a while was based on building defense chambers first. Why? Because people studied, they watched, they learned. And they found that those who built defense chambers first were much more likely to win than those that didn't. End of friggin story.
That's science in action. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone over 14 that's open to science that doesn't completely understand that EVERYTHING in the scientific world is always best guess. As in... here's what humankind has observed to happen, here's the most likely explanation given the data.
I'm glad your faith gives you peace, I'd like to have inner peace and not realize just how much it's going to suck to die and stop existing. But the truth is staring me right in the face. Science may not be able to fully explain how we got here, but I know that some crackpot answer abot God just always being strikes me as a petty copout. Like when you ask someone "Why?" about something and all they answer is "Because."
In fact, that's exactly what it's like. No analogy required.
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Wow... that was beautiful.
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Exactly the same I feel about it. But in the grand scheme of things I don't care either way.
2nd, how can this guy be serious... Does he actually beleive in what he writes his comics about? Or does he write that stuff because it's so obviously false that it's funny?
Yet you keep addressing science as if it is true, not uncertain. And once again, I don't care about science!
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Okay. Remember not to go to a hospital the next time you feel really sick. You wouldn't want all those nasty medical scientists to perform procedures of uncertain consequences to you, would you?
Theres this bloke who stands in he middle of town screaming his religious beliefs and telling everyone how we're all going to hell whilst his minions scurry around forcing pamphlets on us and I really want to go set fire to his podium....
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Yes, anyone that believes in scientific evidence rather than putting all faith into a single book is sinning. REPENT. REPENT!
Could it be that 'repentence' and saving yourself from sin is simply the act of cleansing those fears and illusions of the world from your mind? The man who is evil would be one who prevents others from realising themselves, keeping them lost and confused and without hope. I feel that true goodness comes from peace of mind and the journey there, from realising that the only person you have anything to proove to is yourself. Hell is not following your true path, and succuming to the powers in the world that would try and keep you docile.
If you believe in Hope, go with the flow, and answer to no one but the fire within your soul, then the world is at your feet and you may step forth wherever your excitement and enthusiasim leads you. Just be patient.
Think about things in your own terms. YOU are right, and noone can tell you where to go but YOU. If you believe and do what other people tell you without questioning, then you'll never have <i>understanding</i>.
Thankyou I'll be here all night...
Oh, and no I'm not a Christian. Just human.
(It's occured to me this may be off-topic but damn it I needed to write this out if just for my own sake.)
You treat science as if scientists were all just running around willy-nilly declaring things to be true or untrue for no reason, and that is just not true either. "Science" if one can lump the entire concept together into a single entity, only makes its decisions based on the data available. Ever notice that the science of Newtonian physics has not changed for hundreds of years? And the science of math is evern older than christianity and it hasn't changed much, 2+2 still equals 4. The thing about new sciences such as evolution or quantum phsyics and the way they change is that we are constantly finding new data to base our facts upon, and science can hardly be blamed for that. Finding new information about anything would change the way you look at it. If, for example, a completely new book of the bible was found that contained more moral teachings from Jesus himself, would not some of the premises of your faith change? I'm not saying every last concept of christianity would be shaken to its core, but something would change.
The fact is, you don't chant a cool-sounding latin-oid phrase, draw transmutation circles, light candles, wear robes, and throw sparkly powder around. You say "I cast light", and the DM tells you what your character can see.
So... if you think that saying "I cast a fireball" puts you anywhere near on the path to witchcraft, you're a little naive.
well to be fair Merkaba. The universe is a pretty big damned box.
Could take a while before we find ANYTHING in it.
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True, that; we have no idea what could be lying out in the far depths of space, and maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised...but I still stand by my box analogy of Science, Philosophy and Spirituality...I like to view the world in metaphores because sometimes I feel I'm only a metaphore myself <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If this isn't cleverly disguised sarcasm, it sure was much more fun than reading that crappy comic.
My first game of D&D ever (also happend to be my last) was to slay an orc that kept masturbating in public :\
Besides, all those science people are so arrogant anyways; they think they know everything. But only god knows everything. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It took me awhile to figure out whether or not that comic was parody, too.
sooo, lets see.. ah, here we go. there are plenty of christians who actually believe in evolution, don't think watching harry potter will lead to hell, etc. it's only the fundamentalists that make ppl go wacky. also... oh, lets discuss why theoretical physicists met with some buddhist monks at some conference.. it was because their beliefs (the monks) were in line with the discoveries of latest science. but what beliefs?
DISCUSS!!
*runs around in a barrel*